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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 1 Mar 1998.
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Stupid fonts!!!

Stupid fonts!!!

alt.ascii-art · 51 messages · 1 Mar 1998 - 13 Apr 1998
AARGGGGGGH!!!!  I am soooooo frustrated.  I remember a while back I read
something about how if the ascii pics were messed up looking, you could try
using a different font to view it.  But I forgot which one, and it still
looks crazy, and I'm going to burn my computer, and then kill everyone at
Microsoft, and then take over the US, and declare war on mars.....anyway,
PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!



____________________________________
"The plan was simple.  Unfortunately, so was Bullwinkle."

Try some form of "Courier" or some other *fixed-width* font (i.e., all
characters are the same size.  Or did you already know that?  If Courier
doesn't work, I don't know what to tell you.  I would think that Courier is the
"Roland" of ASCII art...

Queen of Freshwomen wrote:

> AARGGGGGGH!!!!  I am soooooo frustrated.  I remember a while back I read
> something about how if the ascii pics were messed up looking, you could try
> using a different font to view it.  But I forgot which one, and it still
> looks crazy, and I'm going to burn my computer, and then kill everyone at
> Microsoft, and then take over the US, and declare war on mars.....anyway,
> PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ____________________________________
> "The plan was simple.  Unfortunately, so was Bullwinkle."

Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 3 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report


.----- Queen of Freshwomen <sie...@ameritech.net> wrote...
| AARGGGGGGH!!!!  I am soooooo frustrated.  I remember a while back I read
| something about how if the ascii pics were messed up looking, you could
try
| using a different font to view it.  But I forgot which one, and it still
| looks crazy, and I'm going to burn my computer, and then kill everyone at
| Microsoft, and then take over the US, and declare war on mars.....anyway,
| PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
'-------------------------------

Here goes:

 __  __                                                _
|  \/  | ___  _ __   ___  ___ _ __   __ _  ___ ___  __| |
| |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ __/ _ \/ _` |
| |  | | (_) | | | | (_) \__ \ |_) | (_| | (_|  __/ (_| |
|_|_ |_|\___/|_| |_|\___/|___/ .__/ \__,_|\___\___|\__,_|
 / _| ___  _ __ | |_ ___     |_|
| |_ / _ \| '_ \| __/ __|
|  _| (_) | | | | |_\__ \ - a quick list
|_|  \___/|_| |_|\__|___/

Windows:  FixedSys
          Courier New
          Courier
          Lucida Console
          Topaz New
          Monotype.com
          Terminal
          Lucida Sans Typewiter

Amiga:    Topaz    (In ROM)
          Courier  (Supplied with WorkBench 2+)
          Pearl
          Siesta
          XEN      (Comes with MagicWB)
          XCourier (Comes with MagicWB)
          ascii
          tiny

AppleMac: Courier
          Monaco
          ZTerm

Just find your system on the list and match up a font from the list up to a
font on your system.

I Hope this helps! :)


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.|_|  |_\__,_|_| _\__|_|_||_| /|\ It`s my birthday you see...
.    /_\| |_| |_(_)_ _  ___   / \ On the 25th day of March...
.   / _ \  _| / / | ' \(_-<       Happy Birthday to me...
.  /_/ \_\__|_\_\_|_||_/__/
.  mart.atkins @ bigfoot.com --- REPLY ADDRESS IS ROT13`ed
.      http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/a/atkins/ascii.htm

Martin,


	Do you own an amiga?  I've always wondered what the font name was that
the DOS "Amiga X Font Emulator" was really emulating.  There are a few TSRs out
there such as ami.com and other so-called simulators.  I wish I had an Amiga so
I could compare and contrast differences between Ami and the emulated set.

On 3 Mar 98 21:57:40 GMT, "Martin Atkins" <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> wrote:

%
%
%.----- Queen of Freshwomen <sie...@ameritech.net> wrote...
%| AARGGGGGGH!!!!  I am soooooo frustrated.  I remember a while back I read
%| something about how if the ascii pics were messed up looking, you could
%try
%| using a different font to view it.  But I forgot which one, and it still
%| looks crazy, and I'm going to burn my computer, and then kill everyone at
%| Microsoft, and then take over the US, and declare war on mars.....anyway,
%| PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
%'-------------------------------
%
%Here goes:
%
% __  __                                                _
%|  \/  | ___  _ __   ___  ___ _ __   __ _  ___ ___  __| |
%| |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ __/ _ \/ _` |
%| |  | | (_) | | | | (_) \__ \ |_) | (_| | (_|  __/ (_| |
%|_|_ |_|\___/|_| |_|\___/|___/ .__/ \__,_|\___\___|\__,_|
% / _| ___  _ __ | |_ ___     |_|
%| |_ / _ \| '_ \| __/ __|
%|  _| (_) | | | | |_\__ \ - a quick list
%|_|  \___/|_| |_|\__|___/
%
%Windows:  FixedSys
%          Courier New
%          Courier
%          Lucida Console
%          Topaz New
%          Monotype.com
%          Terminal
%          Lucida Sans Typewiter
%
%Amiga:    Topaz    (In ROM)
%          Courier  (Supplied with WorkBench 2+)
%          Pearl
%          Siesta
%          XEN      (Comes with MagicWB)
%          XCourier (Comes with MagicWB)
%          ascii
%          tiny
%
%AppleMac: Courier
%          Monaco
%          ZTerm
%
%Just find your system on the list and match up a font from the list up to a
%font on your system.
%
%I Hope this helps! :)
%
%
%-- 
%. __  __          _   _
%.|  \/  |__ _ _ _| |_(_)_ _
%.| |\/| / _` | '_|  _| | ' \   o  Happy Birthday to me...
%.|_|  |_\__,_|_| _\__|_|_||_| /|\ It`s my birthday you see...
%.    /_\| |_| |_(_)_ _  ___   / \ On the 25th day of March...
%.   / _ \  _| / / | ' \(_-<       Happy Birthday to me...
%.  /_/ \_\__|_\_\_|_||_/__/
%.  mart.atkins @ bigfoot.com --- REPLY ADDRESS IS ROT13`ed
%.      http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/a/atkins/ascii.htm

-- enq...@npvq.bet

 RaD Man % ACiD Productions Founder % Artpacks Archive Founder

  Words to live by: " It's better to be controversial for the
  right reasons, than to be popular for the wrong reasons. "

rad...@nospam.acid.org (RaD Man [ACiD Founder]) wrote:

>	Do you own an amiga?  I've always wondered what the font name was that
>the DOS "Amiga X Font Emulator" was really emulating.

X Font?

The original Amiga 1000 displayed on a TV-compatible monitor, and the
fonts weren't anything special.

But an _X_ font emulator? As I recall, some later Amigas ran Motif...

this may have something to do with the X Window System.

And you *can* see what that is all about. Just free up a partition on
your hard drive, and install Linux...

John Savard

In article <01bd408c$26a09860$LocalHost@atkins>, "Martin Atkins"
<zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> wrote:
> 
> .----- Queen of Freshwomen <sie...@ameritech.net> wrote...
> | AARGGGGGGH!!!!  I am soooooo frustrated.  I remember a while back I read
> | something about how if the ascii pics were messed up looking, you could
> try
> | using a different font to view it.  But I forgot which one, and it still
> | looks crazy, and I'm going to burn my computer, and then kill everyone at
> | Microsoft, and then take over the US, and declare war on mars.....anyway,
> | PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
> '-------------------------------
> 
> Here goes:
> 
>  __  __                                                _
> |  \/  | ___  _ __   ___  ___ _ __   __ _  ___ ___  __| |
> | |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ __/ _ \/ _` |
> | |  | | (_) | | | | (_) \__ \ |_) | (_| | (_|  __/ (_| |
> |_|_ |_|\___/|_| |_|\___/|___/ .__/ \__,_|\___\___|\__,_|
>  / _| ___  _ __ | |_ ___     |_|
> | |_ / _ \| '_ \| __/ __|
> |  _| (_) | | | | |_\__ \ - a quick list
> |_|  \___/|_| |_|\__|___/
> 
> Windows:  FixedSys
>           Courier New
>           Courier
>           Lucida Console
>           Topaz New
>           Monotype.com
>           Terminal
>           Lucida Sans Typewiter
> 
> Amiga:    Topaz    (In ROM)
>           Courier  (Supplied with WorkBench 2+)
>           Pearl
>           Siesta
>           XEN      (Comes with MagicWB)
>           XCourier (Comes with MagicWB)
>           ascii
>           tiny
> 
> AppleMac: Courier
>           Monaco
>           ZTerm
> 
> Just find your system on the list and match up a font from the list up to a
> font on your system.
> 
> I Hope this helps! :)
Maybe the following will help too.

Excerpt from my shortened version
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
of one of the FAQs:

Copy the i's and m's into whatever you are using to create your ASCII
art.

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If the line of i's are a different length from the line of m's you need
to change your font. However, if they line up symmetrically,
congratulations! You are using the correct font.


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Jes <big...@vt.edu> 4 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Dude, :)  I don't mean to be rude or anything but you don't just -install-
Linux...  It's way to complicated for just wanting to see a font.

Linux is for people (like me) with too much time on their hands who love to
tinker with things and don't get too mad when everything on their Windows
partition gets erased.  :D  (FUN)

Oh well...

Jesse Willis
jew...@vt.edu

Jes <big...@vt.edu> 4 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Dude, :)  I don't mean to be rude or anything but you don't just -install-
Linux...  It's way to complicated for just wanting to see a font.

Linux is for people (like me) with too much time on their hands who love to
tinker with things and don't get too mad when everything on their Windows
partition gets erased.  :D  (FUN)

Oh well...

Jesse Willis
jew...@vt.edu


Who are you talking to, and what are you talking about?

-R-


On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:29:15 -0500, "Jes" <big...@vt.edu> wrote:

%Dude, :)  I don't mean to be rude or anything but you don't just -install-
%Linux...  It's way to complicated for just wanting to see a font.
%
%Linux is for people (like me) with too much time on their hands who love to
%tinker with things and don't get too mad when everything on their Windows
%partition gets erased.  :D  (FUN)
%
%Oh well...
%
%Jesse Willis
%jew...@vt.edu
%
%

-- enq...@npvq.bet

 RaD Man % ACiD Productions Founder % Artpacks Archive Founder

  Words to live by: " It's better to be controversial for the
  right reasons, than to be popular for the wrong reasons. "


Installing Linux is only difficult for the technically challenged.  Don't be so
quick to underestimate those around you.  I go great lengths to learn new
things.

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:29:15 -0500, "Jes" <big...@vt.edu> wrote:

%Dude, :)  I don't mean to be rude or anything but you don't just -install-
%Linux...  It's way to complicated for just wanting to see a font.
%
%Linux is for people (like me) with too much time on their hands who love to
%tinker with things and don't get too mad when everything on their Windows
%partition gets erased.  :D  (FUN)
%
%Oh well...
%
%Jesse Willis
%jew...@vt.edu


-- enq...@npvq.bet

 RaD Man % ACiD Productions Founder % Artpacks Archive Founder

  Words to live by: " It's better to be controversial for the
  right reasons, than to be popular for the wrong reasons. "

llizard wrote:
[ 8< ]
> Excerpt from my shortened version
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> of one of the FAQs:
> 
> Copy the i's and m's into whatever you are using to create your ASCII
> art.
> 
> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> 
> If the line of i's are a different length from the line of m's you need
> to change your font. However, if they line up symmetrically,
> congratulations! You are using the correct font.
> 

Hmmmm.... A couple of clicks in the "options" menu in netscape and I see
this:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif

(maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)

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 ( _`.'. -   'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _  ( 'o`   - .`.'_ )
 _\.'_'      _.-'   \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |  `-._      `_`./_
( \`. )    //\`      \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|    '/\\    ( .'/ )
 \_`-'`---'\\__,                                       ,__//`---'`-'_/
  \`        `-\    uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/    /-'        '/
   ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ '
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Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.fi> ASCII art 5 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
RaD Man [ACiD Founder] (rad...@nospam.acid.org) wrote:
: Do you own an amiga?  I've always wondered what the font name was that
: the DOS "Amiga X Font Emulator" was really emulating.  There are a few
: TSRs out there such as ami.com and other so-called simulators.  I wish I
: had an Amiga so I could compare and contrast differences between Ami and
: the emulated set. 

Most likely that would be topaz/8, as that one comes in the kickstart ROM
and is the default standard font.

However, there are two versions of it, the old KS1 and the newer KS2
version, which are essentially two completely different fonts with the
same size and boldness. The older one is the one with the classic
reputation. I think Topaz New is based on that one, although I'm not sure
as I haven't ever actually seen Topaz New.

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 ,-/|            `-.  Ilmari Karonen (ilt...@sci.fi) ^ All opinions expressed
/,  '\,     `.  ,|"-;;.__ http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ | in this message are my
/ ' 4(_,-_,-"_,/.'   `'--' ,------------------------' own. If you want me to
"`-(_,-"" `-' (,' itz      | make some for you too, you should pay for them!

llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> ASCII art 6 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <34F...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson
<dre...@on.spammer> wrote:
> 
> llizard wrote:
> [ 8< ]
> > Excerpt from my shortened version
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> > of one of the FAQs:
> >
> > Copy the i's and m's into whatever you are using to create your ASCII
> > art.
> >
> > iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
> > mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> >
> > If the line of i's are a different length from the line of m's you need
> > to change your font. However, if they line up symmetrically,
> > congratulations! You are using the correct font.
> >
> 
> Hmmmm.... A couple of clicks in the "options" menu in netscape and I see
> this:
> 
> http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> 
> (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
.
         ___
       _/   | huh? whaa- aa- tt???
      |_____| ---@@^>
        --- ==  / _/ >
      [_____]      __>,^
ejm97  |   |      //| |

Grrr.


        ha
^^^^%---  ha 
 "   \ ha  You're just posted that to annoy me, didn't you, Veronica?

At any rate, I think I fixed it:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
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ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations

llizard wrote:
[ 8< ]
> > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> >
> > (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
> .
>          ___
>        _/   | huh? whaa- aa- tt???
>       |_____| ---@@^>
>         --- ==  / _/ >
>       [_____]      __>,^
> ejm97  |   |      //| |
> 
> Grrr.
> 
>         ha
> ^^^^%---  ha
>  "   \ ha  You're just posted that to annoy me, didn't you, Veronica?
> 

No, just pointing out what it _can_ look like in some browsers...

> At any rate, I think I fixed it:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> 

The "lynx view":

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll4.dum.gif


-- 
              _                                         _
  __   ___.--'_`.  __   __                _           .'_`--.___   __
 ( _`.'. -   'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _  ( 'o`   - .`.'_ )
 _\.'_'      _.-'   \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |  `-._      `_`./_
( \`. )    //\`      \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|    '/\\    ( .'/ )
 \_`-'`---'\\__,                                       ,__//`---'`-'_/
  \`        `-\    uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/    /-'        '/
   ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ '
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llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> ASCII art 9 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Oh Boy!!! another article in dejanews but not in my newsserver....

In article <350...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson
<dre...@on.spammer> wrote:
> llizard wrote:
> [ 8< ]
> > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> > >
> > > (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
> > .
> >          ___
> >        _/   | huh? whaa- aa- tt???
> >       |_____| ---@@^>
> >         --- ==  / _/ >
[snip]
> >         ha
> > ^^^^%---  ha
> >  "   \ ha  You're just posted that to annoy me, didn't you, Veronica?
> > 
> 
> No, just pointing out what it _can_ look like in some browsers...
> 
> > At any rate, I think I fixed it:
> > 
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top 
> 
> The "lynx view":
> 
> http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll4.dum.gif
.
         ___
       _/   | ha ha ha
      |_____| ---@@^>
        --- ==  / _/ >
      [_____]      __>,^
ejm97  |   |      //| |

Okay, what do you suggest then?



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Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> ASCII art 10 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
llizard wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > llizard wrote:
> > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> > > > (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
> > > huh? whaa- aa- tt???
> > >         ha
> > > ^^^^%---  ha
> > >  "   \ ha  You're just posted that to annoy me, didn't you, Veronica?
> >
> > No, just pointing out what it _can_ look like in some browsers...
> >
> > > At any rate, I think I fixed it:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> >
> > The "lynx view":
> > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll4.dum.gif
>          ___
>        _/   | ha ha ha
>       |_____| ---@@^>
>         --- ==  / _/ >
>       [_____]      __>,^
> ejm97  |   |      //| |
> 
> Okay, what do you suggest then?

I *really* don't know...  =]

-- 
              _                                         _
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 ( _`.'. -   'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _  ( 'o`   - .`.'_ )
 _\.'_'      _.-'   \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |  `-._      `_`./_
( \`. )    //\`      \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|    '/\\    ( .'/ )
 \_`-'`---'\\__,                                       ,__//`---'`-'_/
  \`        `-\    uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/    /-'        '/
   ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ '
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In article <350...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson
<dre...@on.spammer> wrote:
> 
> llizard wrote:
> > Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > > llizard wrote:
> > > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> > > > > (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
> > > > huh? whaa- aa- tt???
> > > >         ha
> > > > ^^^^%---  ha
> > > >  "   \ ha  You're just posted that to annoy me, didn't you, Veronica?
> > >
> > > No, just pointing out what it _can_ look like in some browsers...
> > >
> > > > At any rate, I think I fixed it:
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> > >
> > > The "lynx view":
> > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll4.dum.gif
> >          ___
> >        _/   | ha ha ha
> >       |_____| ---@@^>
> >         --- ==  / _/ >
> >       [_____]      __>,^
> > ejm97  |   |      //| |
> >
> > Okay, what do you suggest then?
> 
> I *really* don't know...  =]

This is the best solution I can come up with:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top


(There have always been two different pages)

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llizard wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > llizard wrote:
> > > Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > > > llizard wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> > > > > > (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
> > > > > huh? whaa- aa- tt???
> > > > >         ha
> > > > > ^^^^%---  ha
> > > > >  "   \ ha  You're just posted that to annoy me, didn't you, Veronica?
> > > >
> > > > No, just pointing out what it _can_ look like in some browsers...
> > > >
> > > > > At any rate, I think I fixed it:
> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> > > >
> > > > The "lynx view":
> > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll4.dum.gif
> > >
> > > Okay, what do you suggest then?
> >
> > I *really* don't know...  =]
> 
> This is the best solution I can come up with:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top
> 
> (There have always been two different pages)
> 

The second page in lynx:

                                    standard ASCII characters (table) (p1 of 2)
                         standard ASCII characters

    Your browser doesn't support tables? Here is another standard ASCII
                                   chart.

     Here is a chart of standard ASCII characters to be used if you are
    going to post your ASCII-art in the newsgroup alt.ascii-art. Examine
   it carefully. Note that there are no characters that look like    
    or any letters with accents. In fact, you might think the characters
   at your disposal are rather dull. Drawing ASCII-art can be likened to
   writing a sonnet or haiku. It is very challenging to confine yourself
   to these few characters to create pictures that look like anything at
     all. But lots of people have managed it very well. You can see for
     yourself by going to this page of links to other ASCII-art sites.  

                     ASCII Character Chart for Dummies
                   SP ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / 0 1 2
                   3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? @ A B C D E
                   F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X
                   Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ ` a b c d e f g h i j k
                   l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~
                          SP stands for Space bar
   No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use ones that are not on the chart if you are
        going to post your creations in the newsgroup alt.ascii-art!

     Depending on your browser, the following illustration may not make
     sense to you. It's not my fault, or yours for that matter, but the
     various browser programmers' faults for not standardizing things a
                               long time ago!

   Remember! If you are planning to post your ASCII art in the newsgroup
                  alt.ascii-art, please do the following: 

                       Copy the following i's and m's

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii  
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

     into whatever you are using to create your ASCII art. If the lines
     look uneven like this (the bottom two lines might have a different
           size of letters but you should still get the picture):

                      iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
                      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
           proportionalfont(timesnewroman) iiiiimmmmm(gif 1.48Kb)

    you need to change your font. However, if they line up symmetrically
    and look like this (the bottom two lines might have a different size
             of letters but you should still get the picture):

                      iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
                      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
                  fixedfont(courier) iiiiimmmmm(gif 1.6Kb)

              Congratulations! You are using the correct font.


              
    Naturally, you should feel free to type out keyboard art using many
     different fonts and characters. Exchange your creations with your
     e-friends via e-mail or put them on your webpage but PLEASE do not
      post any nonstandard keyboard art in the newsgroup alt.ascii-art
                 because you will just get a lot of grief.
      
                Thanks to Annabella for the Table Tutorial.
      
     _________________________________________________________________
      
                           To my ASCII-art index
      
                               To my homepage
      
                                To GeoCities 

-- 
              _                                         _
  __   ___.--'_`.  __   __                _           .'_`--.___   __
 ( _`.'. -   'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _  ( 'o`   - .`.'_ )
 _\.'_'      _.-'   \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |  `-._      `_`./_
( \`. )    //\`      \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|    '/\\    ( .'/ )
 \_`-'`---'\\__,                                       ,__//`---'`-'_/
  \`        `-\    uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/    /-'        '/
   ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ '
        LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/

In article <350...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson
<dre...@on.spammer> wrote:
> 
> llizard wrote:
> > Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > > llizard wrote:
> > > > Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > > > > llizard wrote:
> > > > > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll.dum.gif
> > > > > > > (maybe this would be a good place to use a gif instead of just text)
[snip]
> > > > > > I think I fixed it:
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> > > > >
> > > > > The "lynx view":
> > > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/rubbish/ll4.dum.gif
> > > >
> > > > Okay, what do you suggest then?
> > >
> > > I *really* don't know...  =]
> >
> > This is the best solution I can come up with:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top
> >
> > (There have always been two different pages)
> 
> The second page in lynx:

[snip]
> --
>               _                                         _
>   __   ___.--'_`.  __   __                _           .'_`--.___   __
>  ( _`.'. -   'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _  ( 'o`   - .`.'_ )
>  _\.'_'      _.-'   \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |  `-._      `_`./_
> ( \`. )    //\`      \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|    '/\\    ( .'/ )
>  \_`-'`---'\\__,                                       ,__//`---'`-'_/
>   \`        `-\    uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/    /-'        '/
>    ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ '
>         LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/

(Oh! What happened to the kittens? I miss them already! Did they turn
into frogs after they kissed?)

I knew that there might be a problem in Lynx but I fear I can do no more
than the following:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top

(I added the "Do you still have questions? Please go to alt.ascii-art
FAQ by Matthew Thomas for the full picture." to the other
asciichart.htm#top as well.)


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
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cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca                              ,^
www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/     ===%^^^^^^^^^^^^
ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations      "    "

Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.fi> ASCII art 13 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
llizard (cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca) wrote:
: I knew that there might be a problem in Lynx but I fear I can do no more
: than the following:
: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top

Hmmph. You can't really blame Lynx - if anyone managed to change the font
on my terminal from the "other end", I'd consider it a serious security
fault indeed. (That'd mean they could overwrite my system prefs.)

Why not just tell what the lines are (not) supposed to look like, just as
in the FAQ? If you really need an example, use only an image - with a
suitable alt text of course. (Even Lynx users can download images, though
few would do that for such a trivial thing.)

This is what I'd do:

|<pre>
|iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
|mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
|</pre>
|
|<p>Paste the above two lines into your editor. If they look equally long
|like above, good! If the second line looks longer, your font is
|proportional.</p>

and so on.. If you use images, try to make sure the text works even
without them, then give them an empty alt text (alt=""). Something like:

|<p><img alt="" src="monospaced.gif" width=240 height=20 align=right>
|If the lines look equally long, your editor has a monospaced font. etc..
|<br clear=right>
|
|<p><img alt="" src="proportional.gif" width=240 height=20 align=right>
|If the second line looks longer than the first one, your font is
|proportional. etc..<br clear=right>

Oh, and remember: Style Sheets are nice! Style Sheets are good! Style
Sheets make ASCII art look better! Style Sheets are compatible! Style
Sheets are the Right Thing To Do(tm)! USE STYLE SHEETS!

(with due apologies to Veronica for using the "look and feel" of her
Figlet ad ;-) )

--  __,,,------._
 ,-/|            `-.  Ilmari Karonen (ilt...@sci.fi) ^ All opinions expressed
/,  '\,     `.  ,|"-;;.__ http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ | in this message are my
/ ' 4(_,-_,-"_,/.'   `'--' ,------------------------' own. If you want me to
"`-(_,-"" `-' (,' itz      | make some for you too, you should pay for them!

Ilmari Karonen wrote in message <6ebvhc$cag$1...@tron.sci.fi>...
>This is what I'd do:
>
>|<pre>
>|iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
>|mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>|</pre>
>|
>|<p>Paste the above two lines into your editor. If they look equally long
>|like above, good! If the second line looks longer, your font is
>|proportional.</p>


<p>If the first line looks longer, your font is wacky.</p>

>Oh, and remember: Style Sheets are nice! Style Sheets are good! Style
>Sheets make ASCII art look better! Style Sheets are compatible! Style
>Sheets are the Right Thing To Do(tm)! USE STYLE SHEETS!


Stylesheets are wonderful, yes, but have you *SEEN* how Netscape mangles
them?  My solution (which is icky and will soon be changed) is to use
JavaScript to make Netscape load a 'corrective' stylesheet and other
browsers load the 'normal' one. (In other words, non-JavaScript browsers
don't get it.  But my site counter says I've only had one nonJavaScript, and
I think that was me.)

<http://developer.netscape.com/support/bugs/known/css.html>

>>BKNambo <MOZILLA is good! NETSCAPE is bad!>
--
http://come.to/brocks.place - Hey look, it's the Roman Empire!
'"USENET" is actually a very odd text-adventure game written by Infocom
that someone installed on your computer when you weren't looking.'
W o r l d D o m i n a t i o n T h r o u g h T r i v i a !

In article <6ebvhc$cag$1...@tron.sci.fi>, ilt...@sci.fi (Ilmari Karonen)
wrote:
> 
> llizard (cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca) wrote:
> : I knew that there might be a problem in Lynx but I fear I can do no more
> : than the following:
> : http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top
> 
> Hmmph. You can't really blame Lynx - if anyone managed to change the font
> on my terminal from the "other end", I'd consider it a serious security
> fault indeed. (That'd mean they could overwrite my system prefs.)
> 
> Why not just tell what the lines are (not) supposed to look like, just as
> in the FAQ? If you really need an example, use only an image - with a
> suitable alt text of course. (Even Lynx users can download images, though
> few would do that for such a trivial thing.)
> 
> This is what I'd do:
> 
> |<pre>
> |iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
> |mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> |</pre>
> |
> |<p>Paste the above two lines into your editor. If they look equally long
> |like above, good! If the second line looks longer, your font is
> |proportional.</p>
> 
> and so on.. If you use images, try to make sure the text works even
> without them, then give them an empty alt text (alt=""). Something like:
> 
> |<p><img alt="" src="monospaced.gif" width=240 height=20 align=right>
> |If the lines look equally long, your editor has a monospaced font. etc..
> |<br clear=right>
> |
> |<p><img alt="" src="proportional.gif" width=240 height=20 align=right>
> |If the second line looks longer than the first one, your font is
> |proportional. etc..<br clear=right>
> 
> Oh, and remember: Style Sheets are nice! Style Sheets are good! Style
> Sheets make ASCII art look better! Style Sheets are compatible! Style
> Sheets are the Right Thing To Do(tm)! USE STYLE SHEETS!
> 
> (with due apologies to Veronica for using the "look and feel" of her
> Figlet ad ;-) )

Oh dear! I had no intention of antagonizing any Lynx users (or anyone,
for that matter). The whole reason I ever got into ASCII-art was because
of having a first ISP (freenet) that had no graphics. (And yes, I know
the graphics can be downloaded.)

Maybe I should just dump the whole explanation entirely. When I made
that shortened version for dummies who don't like to read the whole FAQ,
I was aiming at the Brand new users whose first computers are equipped
with graphics and html readers and have never considered that others
don't see exactly what is on the monitor in front of them.

I will investigate STYLE SHEETS if I can find out what they are. (I'm a
little embarrassed to admit that I am one of those new users in the
above paragraph whose first computer ran Windows95.) My sister loves to
tell people about the time when she was looking at something on our
brand new computer and a DOS screen came up (as she expected) and I
freaked out thinking the computer was crashing (AGAIN -- as it did so
many times when we first started) because there were no pictures
anymore.

But I'll bear your suggestions in mind and thank you for them.


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
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   ___          ha       Things were SO much easier when
 _/   |    ,^%--- ha    I thought EVERYBODY ran Windows95
|_____|  __<_ \ ha      and used Netscape Navigator 3.01...
  --- ==   >/      (I hope you know I'm joking on all counts!)
[_____]  __>,^ llizard aka ejm   cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca
 |   |  //| |      www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/

Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.fi> ASCII art 14 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Brock Kevin Nambo (new...@earthling.net) wrote:
: Ilmari Karonen wrote in message <6ebvhc$cag$1...@tron.sci.fi>...
: >|<p>Paste the above two lines into your editor. If they look equally long
: >|like above, good! If the second line looks longer, your font is
: >|proportional.</p>

: <p>If the first line looks longer, your font is wacky.</p>

LOL!

: Stylesheets are wonderful, yes, but have you *SEEN* how Netscape mangles
: them?  My solution (which is icky and will soon be changed) is to use

Urgh! I knew it did, but not that it was that bad..

: JavaScript to make Netscape load a 'corrective' stylesheet and other
: browsers load the 'normal' one. (In other words, non-JavaScript browsers
: don't get it.  But my site counter says I've only had one nonJavaScript, and
: I think that was me.)

My solution has generally been to use style sheets to enhance the
appearance, but to make sure things work even without them. There are
a lot of people using older bowser that don't understand them, after
all. It almost seems as if people had just now stopped upgrading their
browsers every time a new beta came out.. :)

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 ,_f_)\. Ilmari Karonen  ilt...@sci.fi  http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/  /(_|_,.

In article <eod...@upnetnews02.moswest.msn.net>, "Brock Kevin
Nambo" <new...@earthling.net> wrote:
> 
> Ilmari Karonen wrote in message <6ebvhc$cag$1...@tron.sci.fi>...
> >This is what I'd do:
> >
> >|<pre>
> >|iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
> >|mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> >|</pre>
> >|
> >|<p>Paste the above two lines into your editor. If they look equally long
> >|like above, good! If the second line looks longer, your font is
> >|proportional.</p>
> 
> <p>If the first line looks longer, your font is wacky.</p>
> 
> >Oh, and remember: Style Sheets are nice! Style Sheets are good! Style
> >Sheets make ASCII art look better! Style Sheets are compatible! Style
> >Sheets are the Right Thing To Do(tm)! USE STYLE SHEETS!
> 
> Stylesheets are wonderful, yes, but have you *SEEN* how Netscape mangles
> them?  My solution (which is icky and will soon be changed) is to use
> JavaScript to make Netscape load a 'corrective' stylesheet and other
> browsers load the 'normal' one. (In other words, non-JavaScript browsers
> don't get it.  But my site counter says I've only had one nonJavaScript, and
> I think that was me.)
> 
> <http://developer.netscape.com/support/bugs/known/css.html>
> 
> >>BKNambo <MOZILLA is good! NETSCAPE is bad!>

Well if stylesheets don't work on Netscape, they're no good to me. I
quite like Netscape.

Here is the solution (final for this week anyway) I have come up with:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart.htm#top
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/asciichart3.htm#top

I hope that in trying to please many, I haven't simply managed to please
nobody.


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
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cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca                              ,^
www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/     ===%^^^^^^^^^^^^
ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations      "    "

Christopher Trask <ctr...@primenet.com> ASCII art 14 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
RaD Man [ACiD Founder] <rad...@nospam.acid.org> wrote:

: Who are you talking to, and what are you talking about?

: -R-

	And how does he make his voice do that?


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Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> ASCII art 15 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> wrote:

>(I added the "Do you still have questions? Please go to alt.ascii-art
>FAQ by Matthew Thomas for the full picture." to the other
>asciichart.htm#top as well.)


Hmm...how long will we have to wait for Matthew Thomas to reappear
and update/maintain his New FAQ ?  The university is back from the
summer vacation but no sign of Matthew Thomas returning to the Net yet.


                                                   -----
                                                 /      \
                                                 )      |
          :==================:                    "    )/
         /||   Waiting on   ||                    )_ /*
        / ||                ||                        *
       |  || Matthew Thomas ||                 (=====~*~======)
        \ ||                ||                0      \ /       0
          ====================              //   (====*====)   ||
   ............. /      \ ..........       //         *         ||
   :\          ############          \    ||    (=====*======)  ||
   : ---------------------------------     V          *          V
   : |  *   |__________|| ::::::::::  |    o   (======*=======) o
   \ |      |          ||   .......   |    \\         *         ||
     --------------------------------- 8   ||   (=====*======)  //
                                        8   V         *         V
     --------------------------------- 8   =|=;  (==/ * \==)   =|=
     \   ###########################  \   / ! \     _ * __    / | \
      \  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++   \  ! !  !  (__/ \__)  !  !  !
       \ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   \        0 \ \V/ / 0
        \________________________________\     ()   \o o/   ()
         *********************************     ()           ()

                                       -After/Targon (Ed Wisniewski)-

Bye,
 

Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> ASCII art 16 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> wrote:

>My sister loves to
>tell people about the time when she was looking at something on our
>brand new computer and a DOS screen came up (as she expected) and I
>freaked out thinking the computer was crashing (AGAIN -- as it did so
>many times when we first started) because there were no pictures
>anymore.


Hmm...is she your twin sister ?  Does she look very much like you ?

     ( see below )


                   _____|_____
                  |\  |||||  /|
                  | \ ||||| / |
                  |  \|||||/  | ~---,
                  |  (-O,O-)  |      \_,^%---
                  |   \_C_/   |       />  \ |_| /\
                  |   __|__   |   ___/ >    | |/--\  |_| /\
                 _|__/_____\__|_ (# o) >             | |/--\
                       /|\        '-~ /|^^      |_| /\
                      / | \   ejm     | \       | |/--\

                           llizard aka ejm


Llizard painting herself ?  Or Llizard painting her sister, Liz ?  :-)

Bye,

Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land> ASCII art 16 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Colin Douthwaite wrote:
> 
> llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> wrote:
> 
> >(I added the "Do you still have questions? Please go to alt.ascii-art
> >FAQ by Matthew Thomas for the full picture." to the other
> >asciichart.htm#top as well.)
> 
> Hmm...how long will we have to wait for Matthew Thomas to reappear
> and update/maintain his New FAQ ?  The university is back from the
> summer vacation but no sign of Matthew Thomas returning to the Net
> yet.
>
...
> 
Erhm, did someone call me? Yes folks, I'm back! I'm a bit busy at the
moment (Stage 3 university is a little bit busier than Stage 2, you see
:-), but I've been keeping up with a.a-a over the last 1 1/2 weeks and I
am about to retouch the FAQ. Before I do that, though, I have a few
questions about things which have happened in my absence ...

*   Who posts the FAQ, and how can I e-mail them? (I never actually saw
    any posting happen, I don't think.)

*   Who keeps a copy of the FAQ on their Web sites? As I said just
    before I left last year, I'd like to set up a script so that
    whenever I update the FAQ these people get e-mailed the HTML version
    (with stuff like GeoCities advertisements and custom colours added
    to particular copies).

*   Is rec.arts.ascii up and running again, and if so, why? Just before
    I left last year I noticed someone volunteering to be moderator, and
    then when I arrived this year there were some messages in it, but
    since then it seems to have died ...

*   What happened to all the spammers? They seem to have disappeared.
    Does this mean it's safe for me to start using my real e-mail
    address in the header?

*   Does anyone use alt.ascii-art.animation any more?

*   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?

*   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?

I would be interested in reading any suggestions for changes in the next
version of the FAQ. At the moment I plan:
*   updating (or not) the section explaining the demise of
    rec.arts.ascii
*   updating the list of Web versions of the FAQ
*   checking all the URLs (of course).
But I don't see anything else major which needs doing ...

And just to keep everything on-topic, here's an ascii-artwork hot off my
keyboard:
----
         .
          '               Q.  What did people in Auckland use for
        /(                    lighting before they had candles?
       (())
       ,`',               A.  Electricity!
      (|"T|
      `| ;|
       | o|    ,-,--.     [Auckland, NZ, currently going through a
  ..--_|  |_--!./  |:|    severe power shortage]
 /.'"( |__| )"`.\ .'!'
 \`.  `----'  .'/"""
  `"-::::::::-"' mt-02
----

The candle's mine, the joke isn't.

That's all for know, folks!
-- __
  /_/\   Matthew Thomas, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, NZ
 _\_\/_  http://kiwipages.co.nz/matthew.html
/_/\/_/\ My real address is mpt26 @ student . canterbury . ac . nz
\_\/\_\/ `Authors of great quotes are remembered forever' -- Unknown

Matthew Thomas wrote:
[ 8< ]
> *   Who keeps a copy of the FAQ on their Web sites? As I said just
>     before I left last year, I'd like to set up a script so that
>     whenever I update the FAQ these people get e-mailed the HTML version
>     (with stuff like GeoCities advertisements and custom colours added
>     to particular copies).

I have one, but please, don't send a big ugly html file in email, just
send a simple letter saying that it _is_ updated and let us go to your
homepage and get it...

> *   What happened to all the spammers? They seem to have disappeared.
>     Does this mean it's safe for me to start using my real e-mail
>     address in the header?

no  :(

> *   Does anyone use alt.ascii-art.animation any more?

yes  :)

> *   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?

no  :(

> *   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?

yes  :(

> I would be interested in reading any suggestions for changes in the next
> version of the FAQ. At the moment I plan:
> *   updating (or not) the section explaining the demise of
>     rec.arts.ascii
> *   updating the list of Web versions of the FAQ
> *   checking all the URLs (of course).
> But I don't see anything else major which needs doing ...

Somebody has made some updates to their copies when you were gone. You'd
better check those so we all have the same version...


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Matthew Thomas wrote in message <350...@spamfree.land>...
>*   Who posts the FAQ, and how can I e-mail them? (I never actually saw
>    any posting happen, I don't think.)


Krogg posts the FAQ, and to email him
         kro...@inspace.net
          Remove no.to.spam to reply
(from his .sig)  I think someone else was posting it earlier, when it was
still brand-new, but if they're still doing it, I'm not getting it.

>*   Who keeps a copy of the FAQ on their Web sites? As I said just
>    before I left last year, I'd like to set up a script so that
>    whenever I update the FAQ these people get e-mailed the HTML version
>    (with stuff like GeoCities advertisements and custom colours added
>    to particular copies).


You probably don't have to worry about adding geocities advertisements...
last I checked, to put the GeoGuide banner in, all you need is <!--
#geoguide --> which any person smart enough to make a webpage can add
quickly ;)

>>BKNambo
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llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> ASCII art 16 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <350...@spamfree.land>, Matthew Thomas
<mpt...@spamfree.land> wrote:
[snip]
> I'm back!
[snip]
> I have a few
> questions about things which have happened in my absence ...
> 
> 1   Who posts the FAQ, and how can I e-mail them? (I never actually saw
>     any posting happen, I don't think.)
> 
> 2   Who keeps a copy of the FAQ on their Web sites? As I said just
>     before I left last year, I'd like to set up a script so that
>     whenever I update the FAQ these people get e-mailed the HTML version
>     (with stuff like GeoCities advertisements and custom colours added
>     to particular copies).
> 
> 3   Is rec.arts.ascii up and running again, and if so, why? Just before
>     I left last year I noticed someone volunteering to be moderator, and
>     then when I arrived this year there were some messages in it, but
>     since then it seems to have died ...
> 
> 4   What happened to all the spammers? They seem to have disappeared.
>     Does this mean it's safe for me to start using my real e-mail
>     address in the header?
> 
> 5   Does anyone use alt.ascii-art.animation any more?
> 
> 6   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?
> 
> 7   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?
> 
> I would be interested in reading any suggestions for changes in the next
> version of the FAQ. At the moment I plan:
> *   updating (or not) the section explaining the demise of
>     rec.arts.ascii
> *   updating the list of Web versions of the FAQ
> *   checking all the URLs (of course).
> But I don't see anything else major which needs doing ...
> 
> And just to keep everything on-topic, here's an ascii-artwork hot off my
> keyboard:
> ----
>          .
>           '               Q.  What did people in Auckland use for
>         /(                    lighting before they had candles?
>        (())
>        ,`',               A.  Electricity!
>       (|"T|
>       `| ;|
>        | o|    ,-,--.     [Auckland, NZ, currently going through a
>   ..--_|  |_--!./  |:|    severe power shortage]
>  /.'"( |__| )"`.\ .'!'
>  \`.  `----'  .'/"""
>   `"-::::::::-"' mt-02
> ----
> 
> The candle's mine, the joke isn't.
> 
> That's all for know, folks!
> -- __
>   /_/\   Matthew Thomas, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, NZ
>  _\_\/_  http://kiwipages.co.nz/matthew.html
> /_/\/_/\ My real address is mpt26 @ student . canterbury . ac . nz
> \_\/\_\/ `Authors of great quotes are remembered forever' -- Unknown

Welcome back, oh ye of many questions! (I numbered them.)

I will answer what I consider to be the most imperative ones. (ie: to
which I know the answers)

4) Spammers are NOT gone. They are still diligently sending out huge
volumes of useless junk. I would not recommend that you use your real
address when posting to the newsgroup.

5) I think Colin, Krogg and I are the only ones who post ontopic
articles. There are occasionally ones from others but sadly it is mostly
the idiots who imagine that we are interested to hear about their sad
schemes.

6) No.

7) Poor thing. I think somebody forgot to feed her her daily portions of
miaow-mix. You know how cats get when they're hungry.

And in keeping with your excellent candle to keep things sort of on
topic, here is a drawing of how I torture my cat:

   _  _ |> |>[ [ |\ |/
  (  (_ |\ |\[ [ |-\|\                                   _
  _)                | \                                 //
       _|_,^%---  ha                                   //
   =#-(_X_)  \ ha                          /\_/\      //
       \/ >      ha                       (@.@ )_.-._//
       ___>,^                             > C < .-.  )
ejm97 //| |                                   |/   |/


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
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        ha      llizard aka ejm  cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca
^^^^%---  ha        www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/
 "   \ ha        ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations

llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> ASCII art 16 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <890...@mnementh.southern.co.nz>, Colin Douthwaite
<cfb...@southern.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> wrote:
> 
> >My sister loves to
> >tell people about the time when she was looking at something on our
> >brand new computer and a DOS screen came up (as she expected) and I
> >freaked out thinking the computer was crashing (AGAIN -- as it did so
> >many times when we first started) because there were no pictures
> >anymore.
> 
> Hmm...is she your twin sister ?  Does she look very much like you ?
> 
>      ( see below )
> 
>                    _____|_____
>                   |\  |||||  /|
>                   | \ ||||| / |
>                   |  \|||||/  | ~---,
>                   |  (-O,O-)  |      \_,^%---
>                   |   \_C_/   |       />  \ |_| /\
>                   |   __|__   |   ___/ >    | |/--\  |_| /\
>                  _|__/_____\__|_ (# o) >             | |/--\
>                        /|\        '-~ /|^^      |_| /\
>                       / | \   ejm     | \       | |/--\
> 
>                            llizard aka ejm
> 
> Llizard painting herself ?

Oh my NO! My sister's name is bbunny. (I have her one and only
Javascript ASCII-animation on my page) Here is the drawing I did of her
last year:

             // //
            // //
           //_//
          (@.@ ) _____
ejm97     > O <  ___  (")
              |/    |/

As you can see, my sister doesn't look anything like me. This is closer
to what my sister looks like:

                    _____|_____
                   |   & & &   |
                   | & &&&&& & |
                   |  &&&&&&&  | ~---,
                   |&&( O,O )&&|      \_,^%---
                   |   \_C_/   |       />  \ |_| /\
                   |   __|__   |   ___/ >    | |/--\  |_| /\
                  _|__/_____\__|_ (# o) >             | |/--\
                        /|\        '-~ /|^^      |_| /\
                       / | \   ejm     | \       | |/--\

See? Curly hair. I don't have curly hair.

NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
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 "   \ ha        ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations

BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net> ASCII art 16 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
[sorry if this posted twice]
llizard wrote:
> And in keeping with your excellent candle to keep things sort of on
> topic, here is a drawing of how I torture my cat:
> 
>    _  _ |> |>[ [ |\ |/
>   (  (_ |\ |\[ [ |-\|\                                   _
>   _)                | \                                 //
>        _|_,^%---  ha                                   //
>    =#-(_X_)  \ ha                          /\_/\      //
>        \/ >      ha                       (@.@ )_.-._//
>        ___>,^                             > C < .-.  )
> ejm97 //| |                                   |/   |/


Augh! My poor kitty brethren!


    *sniffles*  ___^
          _   _/,) /.---.    
^%---    | \  \   |(|\_/()
  \      |  \__|  |(@.@ )
         |     (   _____/
         |     |   (    |
         |     |   |"|"||  
          \    |   | | ||
           \  /    | | `'
            \//\   \/

Kitties unite! :)

> 
> NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
> its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
> --
>         ha      llizard aka ejm  cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca
> ^^^^%---  ha        www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/
>  "   \ ha        ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations
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|,( \\,,/\\,,| in reality, reality."   ***  Please email and post  ***

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Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> ASCII art 17 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land> wrote:

>Erhm, did someone call me? Yes folks, I'm back! I'm a bit busy at the
>moment (Stage 3 university is a little bit busier than Stage 2, you see
>:-), but I've been keeping up with a.a-a over the last 1 1/2 weeks and I
>am about to retouch the FAQ. Before I do that, though, I have a few
>questions about things which have happened in my absence ...

 
Speak of the Devil ?  *8-)


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                     ||**** )`_/ **'  |   +    '||::::::
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                 (( _""";!___*_____\_|    _    '  <<<:|
                   /     /|          |_________'___o_o| b'ger
                  /_____/ /
                  |:____|/  "RIGHT!  Where the hell is
                                     the Ascii Art FAQ."

                     [ Text modified by me )



> *   Who posts the FAQ, and how can I e-mail them? (I never 
>    actually saw any posting happen, I don't think.) 

Krog has been posting the FAQ quite frequently in your absence.


> *   Is rec.arts.ascii up and running again, and if so, why? Just 
>     before I left last year I noticed someone volunteering to be 
>     moderator, and then when I arrived this year there were some 
>     messages in it, but since then it seems to have died ...  

Don Bertino, the former moderator, turned up again in the New Year 
and announced that the group was in business again. There was a brief 
flurry of postings...then it died again. Krog modified your FAQ to
mention the revival of r.a.a. 

Moderated newsgroups just die if people do not post enough traffic
to keep them going...then the moderator loses interest and goes 
AWOL...and the group dies another death.

The only way to make rec.arts.ascii viable is to de-moderate it and 
that cannot happen unless the incumbent moderator makes the 
suggestion to unmoderate to the Moderator of news.announce.newgroups,
David C. Lawrence ( Usenet King ) and Don Bertino will never be 
willing to do that...so the newsgroup stays dead.

Nobody can unmoderate a newsgroup and nobody can force a moderator 
to vacate the position against their will...Usenet moderation is a 
Mickey Mouse system.  


> *   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?

I think you mean credits of the artist being left on artwork instead 
of being stripped ?  No, it will never end because stripping has 
been a tradition since Ascii Art first appeared. All the Stephen 
Sullivan collections were stripped on compilation and he could never
remedy that.


> *   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?

Miss kitty doesn't think so. :-)


I would be interested in reading any suggestions for changes in the 
next version of the FAQ. At the moment I plan: 

> *   updating (or not) the section explaining the demise of
>    rec.arts.ascii

Best of luck...it comes and goes at the drop of a hat and is totally
unpredictable. 


> But I don't see anything else major which needs doing ...

I would like to see Martin Atkin's "FONT.FAQ" either included in the
main FAQ or perhaps issued as a separate standalone Mini-FAQ. 
You could check with Martin Atkins on this...he does not post it
regularly himself:

====================================================================

From: "Martin Atkins" <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz>
Subject: Re: Stupid fonts!!!
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Message-ID: <01bd408c$26a09860$LocalHost@atkins>
Date: 3 Mar 98 21:57:40 GMT


.----- Queen of Freshwomen <sie...@ameritech.net> wrote...
| AARGGGGGGH!!!!  I am soooooo frustrated.  I remember a while back
| I read something about how if the ascii pics were messed up
| looking, you could try using a different font to view it.  But I
| forgot which one, and it still looks crazy, and I'm going to burn
| my computer, and then kill everyone at Microsoft, and then take
| over the US, and declare war on mars.....anyway,
| PLEASE  HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
'-------------------------------

Here goes:

 __  __                                                _
|  \/  | ___  _ __   ___  ___ _ __   __ _  ___ ___  __| |
| |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ __/ _ \/ _` |
| |  | | (_) | | | | (_) \__ \ |_) | (_| | (_|  __/ (_| |
|_|_ |_|\___/|_| |_|\___/|___/ .__/ \__,_|\___\___|\__,_|
 / _| ___  _ __ | |_ ___     |_|
| |_ / _ \| '_ \| __/ __|
|  _| (_) | | | | |_\__ \ - a quick list
|_|  \___/|_| |_|\__|___/

Windows:  FixedSys
          Courier New
          Courier
          Lucida Console
          Topaz New
          Monotype.com
          Terminal
          Lucida Sans Typewiter

Amiga:    Topaz    (In ROM)
          Courier  (Supplied with WorkBench 2+)
          Pearl
          Siesta
          XEN      (Comes with MagicWB)
          XCourier (Comes with MagicWB)
          ascii
          tiny

AppleMac: Courier
          Monaco
          ZTerm

Just find your system on the list and match up a font from the list
up to a font on your system.

I Hope this helps! :)

. __  __          _   _
.|  \/  |__ _ _ _| |_(_)_ _
.| |\/| / _` | '_|  _| | ' \   o  Happy Birthday to me...
.|_|  |_\__,_|_| _\__|_|_||_| /|\ It`s my birthday you see...
.    /_\| |_| |_(_)_ _  ___   / \ On the 25th day of March...
.   / _ \  _| / / | ' \(_-<       Happy Birthday to me...
.  /_/ \_\__|_\_\_|_||_/__/
.  mart.atkins @ bigfoot.com --- REPLY ADDRESS IS ROT13`ed
.      http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/a/atkins/ascii.htm

====================================================================

Bye,

-> From: Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land>
-> *   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?
As soon as a few people realize that people find pictures
all the time that have NO signatures on them.

-> *   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?

No. I have been put in the position of defending myself
I was happily posting, minding my own business when ardvaarko
decided to appoint himself the moderator of this group, and
start giving me orders not to post any more.

I posted stuff I found, it did NOT have initials, and for some
reason people refuse to believe me...whatever!
---
 � * Kitty's Keep BBS * Fullerton, California USA * 714-871-2227

Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> ASCII art 19 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Colin Douthwaite wrote:
> 
> Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land> wrote:
> 
> >Erhm, did someone call me? Yes folks, I'm back! I'm a bit busy at the
> >moment (Stage 3 university is a little bit busier than Stage 2, you see
> >:-), but I've been keeping up with a.a-a over the last 1 1/2 weeks and I
> >am about to retouch the FAQ. Before I do that, though, I have a few
> >questions about things which have happened in my absence ...
Hi,I didnt see the post from Matthew.If you can see this message you can
get my email from this post if not someone please forward it to him.I just
posted the faq a min ago so if ya see this ya should see it too.
  I didnot know Matthew from before he left and since he wrote the faq,I
guess its cool that he finaly returned.
                      Regards,


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Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> ASCII art 19 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Miss Kitty <mis...@global.dyn.ml.org> wrote:
>-> From: Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land>
>-> *   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?
>As soon as a few people realize that people find pictures
>all the time that have NO signatures on them.

>-> *   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?

>No. I have been put in the position of defending myself
>I was happily posting, minding my own business when ardvaarko
>decided to appoint himself the moderator of this group, and
>start giving me orders not to post any more.

>I posted stuff I found, it did NOT have initials, and for some
>reason people refuse to believe me...whatever!


I didn't disbelieve you...because I have seen an awful lot of Ascii 
Art without attributes...

   +-------------+--------------+-------------------------------+
   |  o o o   o  |  <o      o>  | Just because we disagree      |
   | <><><>   <> |  /-+-- --+X  |  doesn't mean I have to kill  |
   | ||||||   || | />        <\ |   you, unless I want to.      |
   +-------------+--------------+-------------------------------+

Like the one above for example !  I suspect it came from a Sig.

Bye,

aardvarko <rea...@message.com> ASCII art 20 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>No. I have been put in the position of defending myself
>I was happily posting, minding my own business when ardvaarko
>decided to appoint himself the moderator of this group, and
>start giving me orders not to post any more.

Oooh, look at me, the happy Moderator. ;) Right.

When did I ever tell you not to post? Much less give you an order? Miss
Kitty's a hothead... :)

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                                __    __  o         \| Ant   |
       _. _..__|   _.._|  _    /  \/\/  \/           | KRUNCH|
      (_|(_||(_|\/(_|| |<(_)   \__/\/\__/\o          | .*@., |
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . /\ . ./\ rdv  .@*.   |  \=/  |
  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/2672/   '"""""""'
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Miss Kitty wrote in message <890...@global.dyn.ml.org>...

Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 27 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:37:09 +1200, Matthew Thomas posted:
|
|*   Who posts the FAQ, and how can I e-mail them? (I never actually saw
|    any posting happen, I don't think.)
'-----------------
The FAQ is posted by Krogg and Colin Douthwaite
Krogg is his...@inspace.net  <-- hisname should be Krogg
Colin is cfb...@southern.co.nz

.-----------------------
|*   Who keeps a copy of the FAQ on their Web sites? As I said just
|    before I left last year, I'd like to set up a script so that
|    whenever I update the FAQ these people get e-mailed the HTML version
|    (with stuff like GeoCities advertisements and custom colours added
|    to particular copies).
'-----------------------
I know of me, Joan Stark, Veronica Karlsson and Andreas Friese.
I only have Mine and Joan Stark`s EMail address handy:
mart.atkins                spunk1111
           @                        @
            bigfoot.com              aol.com

My copy is out of date because of a few problems with the web server a
while back, and I haven`t got all of the new bits added.

.---------------------------
|*   Is rec.arts.ascii up and running again, and if so, why? Just before
|    I left last year I noticed someone volunteering to be moderator, and
|    then when I arrived this year there were some messages in it, but
|    since then it seems to have died ...
'---------------------------
It is indeed going again, but isn`t being used a lot.

.---------------------------
|*   What happened to all the spammers? They seem to have disappeared.
|    Does this mean it's safe for me to start using my real e-mail
|    address in the header?
'---------------------------
They have died down but not all gone!
DON`T use your correct address unless you like plastic 'meat' :)

.-----------------------
|*   Does anyone use alt.ascii-art.animation any more?
'-----------------------
Yes, I saw Krogg and VK in there earlier but I don`t read regularly

.-----------------------
|*   Is this leave-sigs-on/take-sigs-off debate EVER going to end?
'-----------------------
I doubt it!

.-----------------------
|*   Does `Miss Kitty' have a REALLY bad attitude, or what?
'-----------------------
Indeed she does

.-----------------------
|I would be interested in reading any suggestions for changes in the next
|version of the FAQ. At the moment I plan:
|*   updating (or not) the section explaining the demise of
|    rec.arts.ascii
|*   updating the list of Web versions of the FAQ
|*   checking all the URLs (of course).
|But I don't see anything else major which needs doing ...
'-----------------------

Just email me when the new version is ready :)

I think a bit about extended ascii and ANSI was added...

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:|_|_ _|_| |_|_|_|_| |_|_|_|    _  |_|_|_|_   _|_|_|_| \___/ '-----------'
:|_|_|_|_|   |_|     |_|_|_    |_| |_|   |_| |_|_|_ _ __| |__            :
:|_|   |_|   |_|_ _  |_| |_|_  |_| |_|   |_|  _ _|_| /  \_/  \           :
:|_|   |_|     |_|_| |_|   |_| |_| |_|   |_| |_|_|_| | |   | |           :
:        http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/i/ighaig/        | |MGA| |           :
:   http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/a/atkins/ascii.htm   | |   | |           :
'------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 27 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On 17 Mar 1998 07:19:47 GMT, Colin Douthwaite posted:
|
|I would like to see Martin Atkin's "FONT.FAQ" either included in the
|main FAQ or perhaps issued as a separate standalone Mini-FAQ. 
|You could check with Martin Atkins on this...he does not post it
|regularly himself:
|
| __  __                                                _
||  \/  | ___  _ __   ___  ___ _ __   __ _  ___ ___  __| |
|| |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ __/ _ \/ _` |
|| |  | | (_) | | | | (_) \__ \ |_) | (_| | (_|  __/ (_| |
||_|_ |_|\___/|_| |_|\___/|___/ .__/ \__,_|\___\___|\__,_|
| / _| ___  _ __ | |_ ___     |_|
|| |_ / _ \| '_ \| __/ __|
||  _| (_) | | | | |_\__ \ - a quick list
||_|  \___/|_| |_|\__|___/
|
|Windows:  FixedSys
|          Courier New
|          Courier
|          Lucida Console
|          Topaz New
|          Monotype.com
|          Terminal
|          Lucida Sans Typewiter
|
|Amiga:    Topaz    (In ROM)
|          Courier  (Supplied with WorkBench 2+)
|          Pearl
|          Siesta
|          XEN      (Comes with MagicWB)
|          XCourier (Comes with MagicWB)
|          ascii
|          tiny
|
|AppleMac: Courier
|          Monaco
|          ZTerm
|
|Just find your system on the list and match up a font from the list
|up to a font on your system.
|
|I Hope this helps! :)
|
'-------------------------------

Thankyou Colin for suggesting my font list! :)

I haven`t posted it regularly mainly because my news server has been dead
for a while and I only just today managed to download the new messages.

Before I was just posting it in answer to questions.

The font list was part of a list of fonts and text editors, and that post
didn`t include the latter because it wasn`t apropriate at the time.

Here is the complete file:

 __  __                                                _
|  \/  | ___  _ __   ___  ___ _ __   __ _  ___ ___  __| |
| |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \ / _ \/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ __/ _ \/ _` |
| |  | | (_) | | | | (_) \__ \ |_) | (_| | (_|  __/ (_| |
|_|_ |_|\___/|_| |_|\___/|___/ .__/ \__,_|\___\___|\__,_|
 / _| ___  _ __ | |_ ___     |_|
| |_ / _ \| '_ \| __/ __|
|  _| (_) | | | | |_\__ \ - a quick list
|_|  \___/|_| |_|\__|___/

Windows:  FixedSys
          Courier New
          Courier
          Lucida Console
          Topaz New
          Monotype.com
          Terminal
          Lucida Sans Typewiter

Amiga:    Topaz    (In ROM)
          Courier  (Supplied with WorkBench 2+)
          Pearl
          Siesta
          XEN      (Comes with MagicWB)
          XCourier (Comes with MagicWB)
          ascii
          tiny

AppleMac: Courier
          Monaco
          ZTerm


 _____         _
|_   _|____  _| |_
  | |/ _ \ \/ / __|
  | |  __/>  <| |_
 _|_|\___/_/\_\\__|
| ____|__| (_) |_ ___  _ __ ___
|  _| / _` | | __/ _ \| '__/ __|
| |__| (_| | | || (_) | |  \__ \
|_____\__,_|_|\__\___/|_|  |___/

Unix:      vi
           pico
           emacs
           jed
           joe
           ed

Windows95: Notepad (Comes with Windows!)
           EDIT.COM (Comes with windows!)
           MicroEMACS
           EditPad
           PFE

Windows3:  Notepad (Comes with Windows!)
           MicroEMACS
           PFE

MSDOS:     EDIT.COM (Comes with DOS 5 and 6 - Type EDIT at command line)
           QEdit
           MicroEmacs
           GNU Emacs

Amiga:     Ed (On Workbench Disk - run 'Ed <filename>' in shell)
           MicroEMACS (Supplied with Workbench on Extras disk)
           Blacks Editor
           CygnusEd
           AZ

AppleMac:  Nisus

Linux:     joe

Compiled by Martin Atkins with help from:
 * Veronica Karlsson
 * Jorn Barger
 * Colin Douthwaite
 * Randy Gardner
 * Ilmari Karonen
 * aardvarko
 * gumby
 * Valentin Valciu
 * Hayley Jane Wakenshaw
 * llizard
 * Sami Sihvonen

---------------------

I can post this about once a week if it is wanted but I wouldn`t be able to
promise it would be done every week, for one thing I can`t get on the net
every week and also my ISP isn`t too good so I can`t always connect... :)

See you all soon, and keep me posted about the FAQ so that I can put a long
awaited new version on my website...

-Martin
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|_|_|_|_|_|  _|_|_|_| |_|_|_|_| |_|_|_|_|  _  |_|_|_|_                   :
|_| |_| |_| |_|   |_| |_|_|       |_|     |_| |_|   |  ||||| .-----------.
|_|     |_| |_|_ _|_| |_|         |_|_ _  |_| |_|   | | o o ||mart.atkins|
|_| _ _ |_|   |_|_|_| |_|       _   |_|_| |_| |_|   | |  >  ||     @     |
: _|_|_|_   _|_|_ _  |_|  _    |_|  _ _ _       _ _ _ | \_/ ||bigfoot.com|
:|_|_ _|_| |_|_|_|_| |_|_|_|    _  |_|_|_|_   _|_|_|_| \___/ '-----------'
:|_|_|_|_|   |_|     |_|_|_    |_| |_|   |_| |_|_|_ _ __| |__            :
:|_|   |_|   |_|_ _  |_| |_|_  |_| |_|   |_|  _ _|_| /  \_/  \           :
:|_|   |_|     |_|_| |_|   |_| |_| |_|   |_| |_|_|_| | |   | |           :
:        http://vibes.vossnet.co.uk/i/ighaig/        | |MGA| |           :
:   http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/a/atkins/ascii.htm   | |   | |           :
'------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> ASCII art 27 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Spunk1111 wrote:
> 
> >Date: Fri, Mar 20, 1998 01:11 EST
> >Message-id: <6et1lh$nf9$1...@usenet48.supernews.com>
> 
> Sigh... why don't we end this bickering and post some
> ASCII pics?  If it has a signature on it- leave it on and
> post it... if it doesn't have a signature on it-- post it
> anyways (of course indicate that you didn't make it)
> and leave it as that.
> 
> We all ought to know that there are people who strip sigs
> off of the ASCII art.  People think it looks tacky.  I'll even
> admit that I did that a few times before I really got
> interested.  However, it is only right that you give credit
> where credit is due. Once you start making the ASCII
> pics, you'll definitely know what I mean.  Besides,
>  what's the big deal about that? A couple of letters is
>  not that much.  Sure beats paying $...  Where else can
> you use someone else's talent for free?
> 
> <As an aside, the pics that get scrolled on AOL not only
> have initials, but sometimes full names, include .wav
> file description, year, and macro club standings...  What
> we do here on the real internet is so small...>
> 
> So can we go on?  If something is posted that does not
> have proper credits, we can work together to correct
> it.  We can add the initials and continue to post...  If we
> can't find the artist... oh well... just state the fact and post
> it anyways.. There's a lot of great, old, uncredited pics...
> It would be a shame not to post them.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> -joan
> --
>              .-"""-.
>             /       \
>             \       /              joan stark
>      .-"""-.-`.-.-.<  _      <spu...@juno.com>
>     /      _,-\ ()()_/:)
>     \     / ,  `     `|
>      '-..-| \-.,___,  /        ASCII ART GALLERY:
>            \ `-.__/  / <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/>
>       jgs   `-.__.-'`

Joan,

Well, with you repeating my thoughts on this whole issue, I hope
everyone agrees with us. This is all that matters!

There shouldn't even be further discussion on this. We need to get this
over with and go on with the art!

One thought....maybe we need a list of responsible people that use this
group to decide what exactly is going to be our poilcy...like the one
proposed here, and then add it to the FAQ's and be done with it.

Not that I am one who should be voting, but I would vote yes on this:  

------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.  If an ASCII ART pic has a signature on it, leave it on and post it.
2.  If an ASCII ART pic doesn't have a signature on it, post it anyway 
        AND indicate that you didn't make it.
3.  If someone wants to repost the ASCII ART pic with the original 
        signature on it, they should be able to do so but without making 
        the other person feel defensive or the need to reply to it. 
        We shouldn't expect everyone to dig up where they got their copy 
        of the pic and change it. (I'm sure some of us will though.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is what I propose and vote for, any thoughts or votes to agree with
this?


PEACE,

Donovan

PS Praying for an ending of this long debate!

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Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 27 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>.----- On 17 Mar 1998 07:19:47 GMT, Colin Douthwaite posted:
>|
>|I would like to see Martin Atkin's "FONT.FAQ" either included in the
>|main FAQ or perhaps issued as a separate standalone Mini-FAQ. 
>|You could check with Martin Atkins on this...he does not post it
>|regularly himself:

I think it's a great idea!
I'll add it onto the copy of the FAQ at my site with the next
update... which ought to be pretty soon!

-joan
--
               _ |\_       joan stark  spu...@juno.com
               \` ..\            ASCII ART GALLERY: 
          __,.-" =__Y=   http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/
  jgs   ."        )        ___,__,_,  ,_,  ,_,  ,  , , , ,
  _    /   ,    \/\_  _   (_  |__) |  | |\ | |_/   | | | |
 ((____|    )_-\ \_-`(_)____) |    |__| | \| | \___|_|_|_|___,
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Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 27 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>From: zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins)
>Date: Fri, Mar 27, 1998 09:19 EST
>Message-id: <351...@news.vossnet.net>

>I know of me, Joan Stark, Veronica Karlsson and Andreas Friese.
>I only have Mine and Joan Stark`s EMail address handy:
>mart.atkins                spunk1111
>           @                        @
>            bigfoot.com              aol.com

Actually, I prefer using: spu...@juno.com ....
The AOL address is my spam address... (I also use
it for attachments and posting here)
Juno is my ASCII art address...

My copy of the FAQ is at:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/faq.htm
With the exception of the mini-fAQ, I believe it is
up-to-date...   

-joan
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  /_.-=-.\| " |/.-=-._\  / __/ . \ | | \| | |/ /| | | | |@juno.com
   /_    \(o_o)/    _\   \_  \  _/ | |  ` |   < | | | | |
    /_  /\/ ^ \/\  _\    /___/_| \___/_|\_|_|\_\|_|_|_|_|
      \/ | / \ | \/
        /((( )))\                ASCII ART GALLERY:
 jgs  __\ \___/ /__     http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/
    (((---'   '---)))              joan stark

Donovan wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1.  If an ASCII ART pic has a signature on it, leave it on and post it.
> 2.  If an ASCII ART pic doesn't have a signature on it, post it anyway
>         AND indicate that you didn't make it.
> 3.  If someone wants to repost the ASCII ART pic with the original
>         signature on it, they should be able to do so but without making
>         the other person feel defensive or the need to reply to it.
>         We shouldn't expect everyone to dig up where they got their copy
>         of the pic and change it. (I'm sure some of us will though.)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> That is what I propose and vote for, any thoughts or votes to agree with
> this?

I vote yea!
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Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 27 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>Date: Fri, Mar 20, 1998 01:11 EST
>Message-id: <6et1lh$nf9$1...@usenet48.supernews.com>

Sigh... why don't we end this bickering and post some
ASCII pics?  If it has a signature on it- leave it on and
post it... if it doesn't have a signature on it-- post it
anyways (of course indicate that you didn't make it)
and leave it as that.

We all ought to know that there are people who strip sigs
off of the ASCII art.  People think it looks tacky.  I'll even
admit that I did that a few times before I really got 
interested.  However, it is only right that you give credit
where credit is due. Once you start making the ASCII
pics, you'll definitely know what I mean.  Besides,
 what's the big deal about that? A couple of letters is
 not that much.  Sure beats paying $...  Where else can
you use someone else's talent for free?

<As an aside, the pics that get scrolled on AOL not only
have initials, but sometimes full names, include .wav
file description, year, and macro club standings...  What
we do here on the real internet is so small...>

So can we go on?  If something is posted that does not
have proper credits, we can work together to correct
it.  We can add the initials and continue to post...  If we
can't find the artist... oh well... just state the fact and post
it anyways.. There's a lot of great, old, uncredited pics...
It would be a shame not to post them.

Just my opinion.
-joan
-- 
             .-"""-.
            /       \
            \       /              joan stark
     .-"""-.-`.-.-.<  _      <spu...@juno.com>
    /      _,-\ ()()_/:)
    \     / ,  `     `|
     '-..-| \-.,___,  /        ASCII ART GALLERY:
           \ `-.__/  / <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/>
      jgs   `-.__.-'`

Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 28 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>Message-id: <351...@gwtc.net>
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:53:59 -0600 Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> writes:
>Well, with you repeating my thoughts on this whole issue, I hope
>everyone agrees with us. This is all that matters!
>There shouldn't even be further discussion on this. We need to get this
>over with and go on with the art!

I didn't realize how much of a problem there has been on the newsgroup...
I'm still over 600 posts behind.. there has been a lot of arguing.

>One thought....maybe we need a list of responsible people that use this
>group to decide what exactly is going to be our poilcy...like the one
>proposed here, and then add it to the FAQ's and be done with it.
>Not that I am one who should be voting, but I would vote yes on this:  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1.  If an ASCII ART pic has a signature on it, leave it on and post 
>it.
>2.  If an ASCII ART pic doesn't have a signature on it, post it anyway 
>        AND indicate that you didn't make it.
>3.  If someone wants to repost the ASCII ART pic with the original 
>        signature on it, they should be able to do so but without 
>making 
>        the other person feel defensive or the need to reply to it. 
>        We shouldn't expect everyone to dig up where they got their 
>copy 
>        of the pic and change it. (I'm sure some of us will though.)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>That is what I propose and vote for, any thoughts or votes to agree with
>this?

This is obvious consideration of others.  Although I must admit that
#3 could be reworded...

3) Feel free to repost unaccredited ASCII art with a proper original
signature.  (please be accurate)   The repost ought not to be taken
personally as we all know that ASCII art often loses proper credits.
Responses to the repost are not necessary.  You may opt to add the
proper signature to your personal files.  Of course, noone will check
up on you!

What'd'ya think?

-joan
            ,
        .--'|}
       /    /}}
     .=\.--'`\}
    //` '---./`  joan stark
    ||  /|       spu...@juno.com
     \\| |
   |\_\\/        ASCII ART GALLERY:
   \__/\\        http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/
        \\
  jgs    \|

Spunk1111 wrote:
> 
> >.----- On 17 Mar 1998 07:19:47 GMT, Colin Douthwaite posted:
> >|
> >|I would like to see Martin Atkin's "FONT.FAQ" either included in the
> >|main FAQ or perhaps issued as a separate standalone Mini-FAQ.
> >|You could check with Martin Atkins on this...he does not post it
> >|regularly himself:
> 
> I think it's a great idea!
> I'll add it onto the copy of the FAQ at my site with the next
> update... which ought to be pretty soon!
> 
> -joan

Hold it, Joan, hold it! I'm still here, and working on a new version of
the FAQ. Unfortunately my Web access is down at the moment, so I can't
check DejaNews for `Martin Atkins FONT.FAQ'. Could someone enlighten me,
please?

Then once I have that sorted out, all I'll have to do is try and please
everyone as regards the initials issue ... (sigh)

Regards
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 _\_\/_  http://kiwipages.co.nz/matthew.html
/_/\/_/\ My real address is mpt26 @ student . canterbury . ac . nz
\_\/\_\/ Look, everyone! It's a four-line sig!

Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> 30 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>From: Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land>
>Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 02:04 EST
>Message-id: <351...@student.canterbury.ac.nz>

>Hold it, Joan, hold it! I'm still here, and working on a new version of
>the FAQ. 

I'm holding... I was planning on adding it as an identity of
it's own... with a link to it from the main FAQ...  I wasn't
planning on revamping the FAQ on you!  :)

> I'll have to do is try and please
>everyone as regards the initials issue ... (sigh)

Heehee... I like Joris's 10 Commandments!
Covers all the bases...
-joan
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  "+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"


Welcome back ...  Please let me know when you've completed any FAQtual updates.
:)  I also store a FAQ which is mirrored at 8 sites worldwide..

http://artpacks.acid.org/faqs/faq-altasciiart.html



On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:04:43 +1200, Matthew Thomas <mpt...@spamfree.land> wrote:

%Spunk1111 wrote:
%> 
%> >.----- On 17 Mar 1998 07:19:47 GMT, Colin Douthwaite posted:
%> >|
%> >|I would like to see Martin Atkin's "FONT.FAQ" either included in the
%> >|main FAQ or perhaps issued as a separate standalone Mini-FAQ.
%> >|You could check with Martin Atkins on this...he does not post it
%> >|regularly himself:
%> 
%> I think it's a great idea!
%> I'll add it onto the copy of the FAQ at my site with the next
%> update... which ought to be pretty soon!
%> 
%> -joan
%
%Hold it, Joan, hold it! I'm still here, and working on a new version of
%the FAQ. Unfortunately my Web access is down at the moment, so I can't
%check DejaNews for `Martin Atkins FONT.FAQ'. Could someone enlighten me,
%please?
%
%Then once I have that sorted out, all I'll have to do is try and please
%everyone as regards the initials issue ... (sigh)
%
%Regards
%-- __
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% _\_\/_  http://kiwipages.co.nz/matthew.html
%/_/\/_/\ My real address is mpt26 @ student . canterbury . ac . nz
%\_\/\_\/ Look, everyone! It's a four-line sig!

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Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 31 Mar 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On 28 Mar 1998 04:32:55 GMT, spu...@aol.com (Spunk1111) posted:
|This is obvious consideration of others.  Although I must admit that
|#3 could be reworded...
|
|3) Feel free to repost unaccredited ASCII art with a proper original
|signature.  (please be accurate)   The repost ought not to be taken
|personally as we all know that ASCII art often loses proper credits.
|Responses to the repost are not necessary.  You may opt to add the
|proper signature to your personal files.  Of course, noone will check
|up on you!
|
|What'd'ya think?
|
'---------------------------------------------

Very well done!

I like all of it, with Joan`s point 3
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|_|     |_| |_|_ _|_| |_|         |_|_ _  |_| |_|   | | o o ||mart.atkins|
|_| _ _ |_|   |_|_|_| |_|       _   |_|_| |_| |_|   | |  >  ||     @     |
: _|_|_|_   _|_|_ _  |_|  _    |_|  _ _ _       _ _ _ | \_/ ||bigfoot.com|
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:|_|   |_|     |_|_| |_|   |_| |_| |_|   |_| |_|_|_| | |   | |           :
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Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 13 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:52 GMT, I posted:
|
|.-----------------------
||*   Who keeps a copy of the FAQ on their Web sites? As I said just
||    before I left last year, I'd like to set up a script so that
||    whenever I update the FAQ these people get e-mailed the HTML version
||    (with stuff like GeoCities advertisements and custom colours added
||    to particular copies).
|'-----------------------
|I know of me, Joan Stark, Veronica Karlsson and Andreas Friese.
|
'------------------------------

That bit about custom colours: If poss I`d like my version to be:
<BODY BGCOLOR=#000000 TEXT=#FFFF00 LINK=#00FF00 VLINK=#007F00 ALINK=#00FF00>
in fitting with the rest of my site.

Have you dissapeared again Matthew, or am I just not getting all of your messages?

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