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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 8 Mar 1999.
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[REQ] Z-art

[REQ] Z-art

alt.ascii-art · 34 messages · 8 Mar 1999 - 31 Mar 1999
ekv...@my-dejanews.com ASCII art 8 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my collection.
That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site, and
that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
animal collections.

So what I want is drawings starting with Z. Find your dictionary if you can't
find any ideas.

Thanks in advance,
Erik K. Veland
Wicked Ascii Art <http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/>

(or <http://wigwam.askoyv.no/Ascii/>)

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In article <7c05it$ktg$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ekv...@my-dejanews.com
writes
>This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my collection.
>That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site, and
>that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
>animal collections.
>
>So what I want is drawings starting with Z. Find your dictionary if you can't
>find any ideas.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Erik K. Veland
>Wicked Ascii Art <http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/>
>
>(or <http://wigwam.askoyv.no/Ascii/>)
>
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[][ hi ... ok.. this may be a bit lame .. and i've posted it b4 too

this is a z-curve :-


          _/            _/         _/      _/
       _/    _/       _/  _/     _/ _/   _/_/
    _/    _/    _/  _/  _/  _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/
       _/    _/       _/  _/    _/ _/  _/_/
          _/            _/       _/    _/
cjr
compression/z-curve

.   __    __    __       _     _     ___
.  ((_'  // |  // |      )) |  )) |  --/
.     ) (( /  (( /      ((  | ((  |   /
.  '-'   `'-'  `'-'      `'-|  `'-'- /.-=-._
.                           /               '-.-'
.                       --'`
.               .---
.    __   ___  /  `   __
.   // ' //  ) |  |  || \
.  ((   ((   / |  |  ||  |
.   `'-' `'-'  `- `- ''  `-
-- 
. /\_/\   ( () |_ | |\|   _/   |? .\ |\| |) .\ |_ |_
:( a a(   CJR http://www.shieldwolf.freeserve.co.uk
' \___")  <tHISsIGiStHEoNLYpROMOmYwEBsITEgETSaNYWAY:>

Donovan <don...@misslink.net> ASCII art 9 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
Well he needs a whole lot more than that, if he is going to have the largest
ascii art website on the net. I thought it was rather a small layout myself.
A good effort none the less.

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puc...@musenet.org wrote in message <36E...@musenet.org>...
>He needs Z-art  I could use a ziggaraut
>
>anyone have one?
>
>Lisa
>
>
>
>ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my
collection.
>> That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site,
and
>> that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked
away in
>> animal collections.
>>
>> So what I want is drawings starting with Z. Find your dictionary if you
can't
>> find any ideas.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Erik K. Veland
>> Wicked Ascii Art <http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/>
>>
>> (or <http://wigwam.askoyv.no/Ascii/>)
>>
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>
>
>

ekv...@my-dejanews.com 9 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <8OeF2.26$eT6...@news13.ispnews.com>,
  "Donovan" <don...@misslink.net> wrote:
> Well he needs a whole lot more than that, if he is going to have the largest
> ascii art website on the net. I thought it was rather a small layout myself.
> A good effort none the less.

Small layout? Whatchamean?
8.7 megs of text files is a whole lot I'll tell ya ;)

Erik K. Veland
Wicked Ascii Art <http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/>

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David Riley <dav...@dmriley.demon.co.uk> ASCII art 9 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
ekv...@my-dejanews.com writes:

> This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my collection.
> That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site, and
> that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
> animal collections.


                               8888888888888
                            88888o8888888o88888
                          888o88888888o8888o88888
                        888888888888o88888888888888
                       8888o88             888888888
                      88888888             88888o888
                      8888888              888888o888
                     888888                 8o8888888
                    88 888 ,*8888o, ,o8888*, 8888 88 8
                   8888888 '`(0))`~ ~`((0)`' 8888888 8
                   8888888l  `'` `; ;` `'`   88888888 8
                    88 8888       ; d;       8888888 88
                    8888888       ( 7,       8888 888  8
                   88888888      @@@@@@      888888888 8
                   8 88888o   ,@@@@@@@@@, , o8888888  88
                  88888888`o  @@;~^~^~;@@ 0;`8 8888888
                  8888 88 8`v    `@@@`    o`88888 888 8
                  88888888  `;,        ,;o`8 88888888 8
                   8 8888     `o,  ,;,;o` 888888 88 8
                   8888 88      ``'''`     88 8888888 8
                  88888888                  8 8888 8888
                  8888888                    88  888888
                                                  888888
                                                  888888
                        Frank Zappa 1940 - 1993

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puc...@musenet.org 9 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
He needs Z-art  I could use a ziggaraut

anyone have one?

Lisa



ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my collection.
> That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site, and
> that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
> animal collections.
>
> So what I want is drawings starting with Z. Find your dictionary if you can't
> find any ideas.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Erik K. Veland
> Wicked Ascii Art <http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/>
>
> (or <http://wigwam.askoyv.no/Ascii/>)
>
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ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> "Donovan" wrote:
> > I thought it was rather a small layout myself.
> > A good effort none the less.
> 
> Small layout? Whatchamean?
> 8.7 megs of text files is a whole lot I'll tell ya ;)
> 

"Layout", as in "what is seen on my screen", has nothing to do with
those 8.7 megs...

Here's what _I_ see.

In NS4:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/temp/tiny.gif

In NS3:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/temp/tiny_too.gif


Yes, something has gone very wrong with your page!  :(


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ekv...@my-dejanews.com 10 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report

> "Layout", as in "what is seen on my screen", has nothing to do with
> those 8.7 megs...
>
> Here's what _I_ see.

Yeah...but I didn't interpret it like that.

>
> Yes, something has gone very wrong with your page!  :(

It's designed to work with resolutions down to 640x480, and the
font is small on purpose.
That's the problem with web design, you just can't please everyone.
And I didn't think that it looked that bad on the screenshots
you provided (except that the fonts on the random ascii art script didn't
work on your system.) Also the preformatted font in your browser were
on the other hand extremely big :)

Anybody else having problems with the layout?

Erik K. Veland
http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/

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ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > Yes, something has gone very wrong with your page!  :(
> 
> It's designed to work with resolutions down to 640x480,

So is my page. It works well in both 640x480 and 1280x1024, and
hopefully it works acceptably in anything between and beyond those
values.

And your page does NOT work in a small window, with that HUGE logo at
the top...

> and the font is small on purpose.

The font is so small it's _unreadable_!

<font size="1">  is _unreadable_ to many people!
<font size="2">  is what you use for _unimportant_ text...
<font size="3">  is what you use for NORMAL text!!!
<font size="4">  is "loud"
<font size="5"> or above is equivalent to "shouting".

It's quite simple really. To get things to _work_ on a web page all you
need to do about the fonts is - NOTHING! If you see a <font ...> tag
somewhere in your html then you know you have done something wrong.

> That's the problem with web design, you just can't please everyone.

Actually, yes, you can. The trick is to avoid overspecifying stuff...
For ascii art, just use <pre> (plus &amp; and &lt; of course) and let
the reader's browser do the rest.

> And I didn't think that it looked that bad on the screenshots
> you provided (except that the fonts on the random ascii art script didn't
> work on your system.)

You used a proportional font for ascii art. Read the FAQ to figure out
why that doesn't work:

http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html

> Also the preformatted font in your browser were
> on the other hand extremely big :)
> 

No, it was what I had set to be NORMAL size!

For preformatted text (including ascii art and posts to newsgroups)
there is a general rule that says that most people _should_ be able to
handle "70-80 characters wide". Anything over that is too much. Please
note that this has nothing to do with "font size" (from the point of
view of the web page author).

Your logo is 96 characters wide. My browser showed a width of 75
characters.


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In article <7c6i0h$8gl$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ekv...@my-dejanews.com
wrote:
>
> > "Layout", as in "what is seen on my screen", has nothing to do with
> > those 8.7 megs...
> >
> > Here's what _I_ see.
> 
> Yeah...but I didn't interpret it like that.
> 
> >
> > Yes, something has gone very wrong with your page!  :(
> 
> It's designed to work with resolutions down to 640x480, and the
> font is small on purpose.
> That's the problem with web design, you just can't please everyone.
[snip]
> 
> Anybody else having problems with the layout?
> 
> Erik K. Veland
> http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/

Our screen is set to 640x480 pixels. Here are screen shots taken at
roughly the same spot on your page from the three browsers we have,
Netscape Navigator 3.04, MSIE3.02 and Opera3.51. I'm running Windows95.

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamNS3
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamIE3.gif
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamopera.gif

From those, I'd say you have a few problems with compatibility to iron
out.

llizard wrote:
> > Anybody else having problems with the layout?
> >
> > Erik K. Veland
> > http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/
> 
> Our screen is set to 640x480 pixels. Here are screen shots taken at
> roughly the same spot on your page from the three browsers we have,
> Netscape Navigator 3.04, MSIE3.02 and Opera3.51. I'm running Windows95.
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamNS3
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamIE3.gif
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamopera.gif
> 
> From those, I'd say you have a few problems with compatibility to iron
> out.

Sorry, I was too hasty posting.

This is the correct URL:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamNS3.gif


NOTE: I do not pick up my mail from the idirect address. If you
are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
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Lunatic 42 <e-d...@my.sig> ASCII art 10 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:34:21 GMT, ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my collection.
>That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site, and
>that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
>animal collections.
>
>So what I want is drawings starting with Z. Find your dictionary if you can't
>find any ideas.

Here's my try at a ziggurat:
                     ,.__.,
                    /,',.`.\
                ____|:|db|:|____
            ___//"""|:|88|:|"""\\___
      _____//":=_=_=_=|--|=_=_=_=:"\\_____
   __/.-._//__|L_L_L_L|--|L_L_L_L|__\\_.-.\__
  //"||m|:.-. .-. .-.,.__.,.-. .-. .-.:|m||"\\
 //  ||8||: : L_L_L_/.',.`.\_L_L_L : :||8||  \\
/'======="L.='.::'`:|:|db|:|:'`::.`=.L"=======`\
| .---. .--. |_:==' |:|88|:| `==:_| .--. .---. |
| |   : |_.='/=======|:--:|=======\`=._| :   | |
| |  _,='   ||==.=.==|:--:|==.=.==||   `=._  | |
|_:='_______|| || || |:--:| || || ||_______`=:_|
l42         || || || |:--:| || || ||
            ''-------|:--:|-------''
                     ':==:'


How about Joan's Zippo?
             _
            | |  )
            | |  .(
            ) |_(,')
            |o______|
            |   Z   |
            | ||I   |
            | ||P   |
            | ||P   |
        jgs | ||O   |
            '-------'

And don't forget this cool Zorro by Llizard and Veronica
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      |\ '__
      `.' / `.,_ _________
      /  ||``._.'
    .'   /|
  .'    /\ \
   ` `,/ /`,\
     .'.'  /|
   ,' /   / |
    `-    `-'- ejm/VK


     Lunatic 42

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Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> 
> ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > > Yes, something has gone very wrong with your page!  :(
> >
> > It's designed to work with resolutions down to 640x480,
> 
> So is my page. It works well in both 640x480 and 1280x1024, and
> hopefully it works acceptably in anything between and beyond those
> values.
> 
> And your page does NOT work in a small window, with that HUGE logo at
> the top...

> > That's the problem with web design, you just can't please everyone.
> 
> Actually, yes, you can. The trick is to avoid overspecifying stuff...
> For ascii art, just use <pre> (plus &amp; and &lt; of course) and let
> the reader's browser do the rest.
> 
> > And I didn't think that it looked that bad on the screenshots
> > you provided (except that the fonts on the random ascii art script didn't
> > work on your system.)
> 
> You used a proportional font for ascii art. Read the FAQ to figure out
> why that doesn't work:

I know that....five years in the ascii art business I should know by
know :P
fact is, I didn't!
To make the script work, I couldn't use the PRE tag. (technical
limitations in Java Script...)
I had to use a font tag instead.
The font tag works the way that if you don't have the first font it
suggests, it looks for the next one, if you don't have that it goes to
the next one and so on. (I've also done HTML since 1993 and have my own
webdesign business, so I know my stuff). Obviously you don't have any of
the fonts it suggests. (Preformatted fonts as Monaco, Courier and so
on.)
Check the HTML and see for yourself...

> > Also the preformatted font in your browser were
> > on the other hand extremely big :)
> >
> 
> No, it was what I had set to be NORMAL size!


> For preformatted text (including ascii art and posts to newsgroups)
> there is a general rule that says that most people _should_ be able to
> handle "70-80 characters wide". Anything over that is too much. Please
> note that this has nothing to do with "font size" (from the point of
> view of the web page author).

72 characters is the normal width of mail and news postings, I'm fully
aware of this.

> Your logo is 96 characters wide. My browser showed a width of 75
> characters.

The logo is in <PRE> tag...it works fine, just fitting in PCs with
800x600 and macs with 640x480. I've tried it with 17 machines, all
looking good.

Donovan <don...@misslink.net> ASCII art 11 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
>I know that....five years in the ascii art business I should know by
>know :P
>fact is, I didn't!
>To make the script work, I couldn't use the PRE tag. (technical
>limitations in Java Script...)
>I had to use a font tag instead.
>The font tag works the way that if you don't have the first font it
>suggests, it looks for the next one, if you don't have that it goes to
>the next one and so on. (I've also done HTML since 1993 and have my own
>webdesign business, so I know my stuff). Obviously you don't have any of
>the fonts it suggests. (Preformatted fonts as Monaco, Courier and so
>on.)
>Check the HTML and see for yourself...


Well, maybe you should just add Fixedsys and Courier New to the list. It
seems to be a couple of popular ones for our newsgroup users. Good Luck with
the site.

Since I didn't take a look at your source code before sending this, if you
already have these in the font face tag, just ignore me. *S*

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   _ { + } _
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EDBROM15 <ekv...@online.no> 11 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
llizard wrote:
> 
> llizard wrote:
> > > Anybody else having problems with the layout?
> > >
> > > Erik K. Veland
> > > http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/
> >
> > Our screen is set to 640x480 pixels. Here are screen shots taken at
> > roughly the same spot on your page from the three browsers we have,
> > Netscape Navigator 3.04, MSIE3.02 and Opera3.51. I'm running Windows95.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamNS3
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamIE3.gif
> > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/wigwamopera.gif

Looks ok in IE3, what the ???? happened to it in netscape?
Opera looks like it ignores the font tag, as it looks nice in IE.

I agree that the main font for the page is too small on high
resolutions.
(at least on your peecees anyways :)

I'll turn it up a notch or two. (next update :)

(So far...no positive comments on it...people...the collection is what
counts....if I wanted to make it a super-duper design, I'd do so :)

Please click the user survey and tell me your opinions.

Design advice can be directed to my mail address:
ekv...@online.no
and shouldn't fill this wonderful newsgroup. (I'm sure people are tired
of it already :))

Erik

Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 11 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:34:21 GMT, ekv...@my-dejanews.com posted:
|This might be a funny request, but fact is...I lack Z-art in my collection.
|That is files starting with Z. This means an empty Z section of my site, and
|that doesn't look good. Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
|animal collections.
|
|So what I want is drawings starting with Z. Find your dictionary if you can't
|find any ideas.
|
'-----------------------------

Zombie?

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                              /<   c     /<   c
                  ___ _______/__D_/'_   /__,_/\___
                 /(- /(\_\________   \     '\_/   \
                 \ ) \ )_      \o     \   |  o     \
                 /|\ /|\       |'     |   | |'  |  | 
                               |     _\   | |   |  \
                               //\____|   | //\_|  |
                              /-,---/     |/-,--|__|
                             / /   _)     / /   /(
                            / /    /     / /    \ )_
                           ( (    <     ( (    < \\
                            \ \    \     \ \    \
                             \ \    |     \ \    |
                              \_\____\     \_\____\
                             ___\_\_\     ___\_\_\
                            ((((,,,,o)   ((((,,,,o)  b'ger          

(This pic by Joris Bellenger)

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>
>                                ____       ____
>                               o o\\\     = =\\\
>                              /<   c     /<   c
>                  ___ _______/__D_/'_   /__,_/\___
>                 /(- /(\_\________   \     '\_/   \
>                 \ ) \ )_      \o     \   |  o     \
>                 /|\ /|\       |'     |   | |'  |  |
>                               |     _\   | |   |  \
>                               //\____|   | //\_|  |
>                              /-,---/     |/-,--|__|
>                             / /   _)     / /   /(
>                            / /    /     / /    \ )_
>                           ( (    <     ( (    < \\
>                            \ \    \     \ \    \
>                             \ \    |     \ \    |
>                              \_\____\     \_\____\
>                             ___\_\_\     ___\_\_\
>                            ((((,,,,o)   ((((,,,,o)  b'ger
>
>(This pic by Joris Bellenger)



WHERE IS JORIS?

Haven't seen him here for aaaaaages.
I hope he's ok.

Andrew
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My sig file is driving a bus

Erik K. Veland wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > Veronica Karlsson wrote:

[about: http://www.wigwam.org/Ascii/ ]

> > > > Yes, something has gone very wrong with your page!  :(
> > >
> > > It's designed to work with resolutions down to 640x480,
> >
> > So is my page. It works well in both 640x480 and 1280x1024, and
> > hopefully it works acceptably in anything between and beyond those
> > values.
[...]
> > > And I didn't think that it looked that bad on the screenshots
> > > you provided (except that the fonts on the random ascii art script didn't
> > > work on your system.)
> >
> > You used a proportional font for ascii art. Read the FAQ to figure out
> > why that doesn't work:
> 
> I know that....five years in the ascii art business I should know by
> know :P

Well, looking at your page I thought you were just yet another newbie...

> fact is, I didn't!

Fact is, you did!

> To make the script work, I couldn't use the PRE tag. (technical
> limitations in Java Script...)
> I had to use a font tag instead.

Why?

> The font tag works the way that if you don't have the first font it
> suggests, it looks for the next one, if you don't have that it goes to
> the next one and so on.

I know that. I also know a few very good reasons NOT to use the <font>
tag at all! Like I said before, if there's a <font> tag in your html
then you know you've done something wrong.

> (I've also done HTML since 1993 and have my own
> webdesign business, so I know my stuff).

Obviously you do not.

> Obviously you don't have any of
> the fonts it suggests. (Preformatted fonts as Monaco, Courier and so
> on.)

Oh, I have a font called "Courier". I also have Netscape 4, which lets
me TURN OFF HTML DEFINED FONTS! (from what I've heard, this is a very
popular feature).

> Check the HTML and see for yourself...
> 

OK:

http://validator.w3.org/

gives a LONG list of syntax errors. Fix those first!

This also invalidates your claim above that you "know your stuff". A
handful of errors on a page is ok, even from a professional, but not a
HUGE list like that!

> > Your logo is 96 characters wide. My browser showed a width of 75
> > characters.
> 
> The logo is in <PRE> tag...it works fine, just fitting in PCs with
> 800x600 and macs with 640x480. I've tried it with 17 machines, all
> looking good.

The unit for measuring preformatted text is "characters" (also: "rows"
and "columns"). You can't measure preformatted text in "pixels", and
expect other people to get the same result. Your logo is "96 characters
wide" (or "96 columns wide"), not "640 pixels wide" (apparently it was
much more than that on my screen, with the font I have chosen).

I played a little with your page:

http://jota.sm.luth.se/~e93-vkn/pics/temp/erik.html


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ekv...@my-dejanews.com 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
> > To make the script work, I couldn't use the PRE tag. (technical
> > limitations in Java Script...)
> > I had to use a font tag instead.
>
> Why?

Strings don't accept line breaks.
I fiddled with this script for 4 hours straight.
Trust me, this is how it can be done.

(incredibly enough, you can't use " and \ characters either, which limited
the number of pictures I could use too...)

> > The font tag works the way that if you don't have the first font it
> > suggests, it looks for the next one, if you don't have that it goes to
> > the next one and so on.
>
> I know that. I also know a few very good reasons NOT to use the <font>
> tag at all! Like I said before, if there's a <font> tag in your html
> then you know you've done something wrong.

Good reasoning...we should all just go back to 1994 when Times were the only
font you could view the web in.
I just love that :P

> > (I've also done HTML since 1993 and have my own
> > webdesign business, so I know my stuff).
>
> Obviously you do not.
>
> > Obviously you don't have any of
> > the fonts it suggests. (Preformatted fonts as Monaco, Courier and so
> > on.)
>
> Oh, I have a font called "Courier". I also have Netscape 4, which lets
> me TURN OFF HTML DEFINED FONTS! (from what I've heard, this is a very
> popular feature).

Yeah, and turning of cookies is also a popular feature, and it too seriously
limits your way of using the web...

> > Check the HTML and see for yourself...
> >
>
> OK:
>
> http://validator.w3.org/
>
> gives a LONG list of syntax errors. Fix those first!
>
> This also invalidates your claim above that you "know your stuff". A
> handful of errors on a page is ok, even from a professional, but not a
> HUGE list like that!
>
> > > Your logo is 96 characters wide. My browser showed a width of 75
> > > characters.
> >
> > The logo is in <PRE> tag...it works fine, just fitting in PCs with
> > 800x600 and macs with 640x480. I've tried it with 17 machines, all
> > looking good.
>
> The unit for measuring preformatted text is "characters" (also: "rows"
> and "columns"). You can't measure preformatted text in "pixels", and
> expect other people to get the same result. Your logo is "96 characters
> wide" (or "96 columns wide"), not "640 pixels wide" (apparently it was
> much more than that on my screen, with the font I have chosen).

The page is designed for people who leave their browser display preferences to
it's default. (Which most people do...)

Well thank you Veronica.
You seriously discouraged me from ever more updating my collection.
I updated from request from several people, but you (and a few more)
finally killed the joy I once felt collecting ascii art.

Concider this post a goodbye to the ascii world...
I'll go for real graphics from now on....

cya!

Erik K. Veland
http://www.wigwam.org/

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llizard <lli...@iNOdirect.ca> ASCII art 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <7can12$t35$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ekv...@my-dejanews.com
wrote in reply to Veronica:
> 
> > > To make the script work, I couldn't use the PRE tag. (technical
> > > limitations in Java Script...)
> > > I had to use a font tag instead.
> >
> > Why?
> 
> Strings don't accept line breaks.
> I fiddled with this script for 4 hours straight.
> Trust me, this is how it can be done.
> 
> (incredibly enough, you can't use " and \ characters either, which limited
> the number of pictures I could use too...)
[snip]
> Well thank you Veronica.
> You seriously discouraged me from ever more updating my collection.
> I updated from request from several people, but you (and a few more)
> finally killed the joy I once felt collecting ascii art.
> 
> Concider this post a goodbye to the ascii world...
> I'll go for real graphics from now on....
> 
> cya!
> 
> Erik K. Veland
> http://www.wigwam.org/
.
         |||||
      \  |||||  /
       \ ||||| /
        \|||||/
        (-o,o-)
         \ c /
         ,`-'.
  ejm  --\/@\/--

Goodness!! How quickly you give up! Shouldn't you be listening to the
several people who want you to update your files instead of being
discouraged by a few well meant criticisms?

I believe you CAN use the " and \ characters in Javascript. You just
have to put another \ in front of them. And I suspect that strings WILL
accept line breaks. Why don't you go to the Omega's Javascript help
forum and consult with him on it?

http://transload.starblvd.net/cgi-bin/forum?name=the_omega



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are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent";
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ASCII-ar+, ASCII and gif anima+ions             ===%^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Donovan <don...@misslink.net> ASCII art 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
Hey, this is all my fault! I appologize from making one simple comment that
caused everybody to nothing but critice your site. I am truely sorry. All I
was pointing out was that I didn't think your claim of having the largest
ascii-art collection on the web was false.

It was becasue of these 2 sites that I stated this:
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/4942/ascii.htm
http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/index.html

It was not to say there was anything wrong with what you have done. I for
one could not compile that many pictures myself. *by the way you need to fix
your 'U' link, it points to the '#' link*

So I just want to publicly state right now, that was my only intention and

I'M TRUELY SORRY FOR EVEN MENTIONING IT.

I forgot one simple rule of life. It is OK to be wrong and let others be
wrong once in a while. In this case I was wrong.

ALSO, PLEASE DON'T LET A FEW PEOPLE KEEP YOU FROM PARTICIPATING AND ENJOYING
THIS GREAT ART. If you don't like what someone says, keep these two things
in mind! 1. IGNORE THEM!!! *S* 2. There were a whole lot of people who
didn't say that same thing and have enjoyed the things that you have done.

So, Erik, I beg of you. I hate to be someone who participates in keeping
anyone from getting involved in ascii-art.

SO PLEASE STAY WITH US!

I hope this was public appology enough. *oh and sorry for my spelling and
grammar, smiling*

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ekv...@my-dejanews.com 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
> Goodness!! How quickly you give up! Shouldn't you be listening to the
> several people who want you to update your files instead of being
> discouraged by a few well meant criticisms?

Define wel meant critisisms.
That last posting was patronizing...

> I believe you CAN use the " and \ characters in Javascript. You just
> have to put another \ in front of them. And I suspect that strings WILL
> accept line breaks. Why don't you go to the Omega's Javascript help
> forum and consult with him on it?

The " character would end the string. And \ doesn't show up at all, just
skewing the ascii art.
I don't know how to make line breaks work with strings, but it seems like that
ends the string aswell and creates errors.

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ekv...@my-dejanews.com 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <nR8G2.5$wz3...@news15.ispnews.com>,
  "Donovan" <don...@misslink.net> wrote:
> Hey, this is all my fault! I appologize from making one simple comment that
> caused everybody to nothing but critice your site. I am truely sorry. All I
> was pointing out was that I didn't think your claim of having the largest
> ascii-art collection on the web was false.
>
> It was becasue of these 2 sites that I stated this:
> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/4942/ascii.htm
> http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/index.html

Claiming to be the biggest was in fact based on the fact that no one has
proved me different. If somones collection is bigger (remember that I haven't
been around for the last year :) then I will remove this claim. Or maybe I
will just grow bigger. I would rather choose the latter solution, but now...I
don't know if I should even bother trying.

> It was not to say there was anything wrong with what you have done. I for
> one could not compile that many pictures myself. *by the way you need to fix
> your 'U' link, it points to the '#' link*

> So I just want to publicly state right now, that was my only intention and
>
> I'M TRUELY SORRY FOR EVEN MENTIONING IT.

I don't think this has anything to do with you...not in my opinion anyway.

> ALSO, PLEASE DON'T LET A FEW PEOPLE KEEP YOU FROM PARTICIPATING AND ENJOYING
> THIS GREAT ART. If you don't like what someone says, keep these two things
> in mind! 1. IGNORE THEM!!! *S* 2. There were a whole lot of people who
> didn't say that same thing and have enjoyed the things that you have done.

I tend to ignore people like that, but Veronica is a highly regarded ascii
artist, and when people like that call me a newbie and stuff it kind of
hurts. I may not be an artist, just a mere collector. My facination with
ascii art has made me use a lot of my spare time sharing, spreading and
promoting ascii art for free. I've always been friendly to newbies, new
artists and everyone who gives me feedback, because I was once new and I can
only thank Joan Stark for bringing me into the wonderful world of ascii
simply by answering my requests and being friendly to me.

I don't want to leave the ascii art world, but as I've said before I thrive on
feedback, and if it's JUST negative feedback (like lately) I lose interest in
keeping up a collection.

Treat others like you want others to treat yourself, my father often says.

So be excellent to eachothers

Erik K. Veland
http://www.wigwam.org/
ekv...@online.no

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Lunatic 42 <e-d...@my.sig> ASCII art 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:28:55 GMT, ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:


>> I believe you CAN use the " and \ characters in Javascript. You just
>> have to put another \ in front of them. And I suspect that strings WILL
>> accept line breaks. Why don't you go to the Omega's Javascript help
>> forum and consult with him on it?
>
>The " character would end the string. And \ doesn't show up at all, just
>skewing the ascii art.
>I don't know how to make line breaks work with strings, but it seems like that
>ends the string aswell and creates errors.

You can use line breaks and " and \, you just have to know how 
to put them in:

just use \r\n for a line break,
use \\ for a \
and use \" for a "

So to put, for example, this:
    _ ,,
  @(_)("o
   |||     

into a string in javascript just do something like this:

string1 = "  _ ,, \r\n"+
          "@(_)(\"o\r\n"+
          " |||   ";

or this:

string1 = "  _ ,, \r\n@(_)(\"o\r\n |||   ";

HTH...

     Lunatic 42
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ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

<snip>

>So be excellent to eachothers
>
>Erik K. Veland


And.. PARTY ON DUDES!

Andrew

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Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 12 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:34:20 +0100, Erik K. Veland posted:
|
\
 > SNIP!
/
|
|I know that....five years in the ascii art business I should know by
|now :P
|fact is, I didn't!
|To make the script work, I couldn't use the PRE tag. (technical
|limitations in Java Script...)
|I had to use a font tag instead.
'------------------------------------------
I don't see why not... I haven't looked at your script, so I don't know what
sort of script it is - But I don't see why you can't just swap the <FONT...>
tag for a <PRE> tag?

.------------------------------------------
|The font tag works the way that if you don't have the first font it
|suggests, it looks for the next one, if you don't have that it goes to
|the next one and so on. (I've also done HTML since 1993 and have my own
|webdesign business, so I know my stuff). Obviously you don't have any of
|the fonts it suggests. (Preformatted fonts as Monaco, Courier and so
|on.)
|Check the HTML and see for yourself...
'------------------------------------------

Or you could just dump in a <PRE> and let users choose their own fonts? If
you really must specify the font, just use...

<STYLE>
PRE { font-family: "Lucida Console", FixedSys, "Courier New",
              Monaco, Courier, Terminal, monospaced;}
</STYLE>
(Those fonts selected for the sake of example, taken from my own site.)

CSS works in a much more friendly way than using <FONT ...> tags, and (in
this case) non-css browsers will just use their own monospaced font and have
done with it.

.------------------------------------------
\
 > SNIP!
/
|
|72 characters is the normal width of mail and news postings, I'm fully
|aware of this.
'------------------------------------------

And it is expected therefore that most ascii art should be under 72
characters wide. If you use more, the <PRE> tag should allow the user to
scroll to the right to view the bits of the picture that don't fit.

.------------------------------------------
|> Your logo is 96 characters wide. My browser showed a width of 75
|> characters.
|
|The logo is in <PRE> tag...it works fine, just fitting in PCs with
|800x600 and macs with 640x480. I've tried it with 17 machines, all
|looking good.
'------------------------------------------
If it's a <PRE> tag, any browser worth it's salt will allow the text (or
picture in this case) run beyond the right margin and allow the user to
scroll. Those that don't don't deserve to be used.

And I too know my stuff... My job is entirely consistant with designing and
writing web pages for users on a variety of platforms, so I know what works
and what doesn't on all of the commonly used browsers, including Lynx, IE2,
IE3, IE4, NS2, NS3, NS4 and Opera in it's various versions... and I'd go so
far to say that most of my HTML could be viewed on any browser that pays
attention to the W3C specs.

ObAscii:

.------------------------------------------------.
| HyperWeb version 2                   [_][O] [X]|
|-------------------------------------------+----|
|.-----. .-----. .-----. .-----. .-----.    |mga |
||<PREV| |N.----------------------------------.ga|
|'-----' '-| A word from one our sponsors...  |--|
|----------|----------------------------------|--|
| Address: | |     /'|_| /\"|"               ||  |
|----------| |_____\.|_|/""\|________________||  |
|          '----------------------------------'  |
|                                                |
|                                                |
|                                                |
|                                                |
|                                                |
|                                                |
|     Get your own homepage with                 |
|           |GeoCities|                          |
|            """""""""                           |
|                                      GeoCities |
|------------------------------------------------|
|Ready.                                       [?]|
'------------------------------------------------'

.------------------------------------------------.
| Nutscrape - Netcenter                [_][O] [X]|
|-------------------------------------------+----|
||Back||Forward||Home| |Reload||Images||Open||\ ||
|'----''-------''----' '------''------''----||-\||
|-------------------------------------------+----|
| Netsite: [http://home.netscape.com/__________] |
|------------------------------------------------|
|           A O L                                |
|           |\ |[""|"/'["|\ |"|"["|">            |
|           | \||_ | \.|_| \| | |_|"\            |
|                                                |
|.----------------------------------------------.|
|| JOIN AOL! |                                  ||
||"""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""||
||           | welcome to netscape netcenter,   ||
||America    | your stArt page fOr the web at   ||
||   Online  | Large.                           ||
||           |                                  ||
|------------------------------------------------|
|,-o  |______| Document: Done          [!][_] [?]|
'------------------------------------------------'


That's my 2 pence...
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ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> 
> > Goodness!! How quickly you give up! Shouldn't you be listening to the
> > several people who want you to update your files instead of being
> > discouraged by a few well meant criticisms?
> 
> Define wel meant critisisms.
> That last posting was patronizing...

*yawn!*

> > I believe you CAN use the " and \ characters in Javascript. You just
> > have to put another \ in front of them. And I suspect that strings WILL
> > accept line breaks. Why don't you go to the Omega's Javascript help
> > forum and consult with him on it?
> 
> The " character would end the string. And \ doesn't show up at all, just
> skewing the ascii art.
> I don't know how to make line breaks work with strings, but it seems like that
> ends the string aswell and creates errors.
> 

Oh really?! So how come this version of your page WORKS?

http://jota.sm.luth.se/~e93-vkn/pics/temp/erik.html

Could it be that both llizard and I know a tiny little bit more about
this than you do? Like, we've been doing this javascript ascii animation
stuff for quite a while now, without excluding *anything* in our
pictures...

For javascript you have to do some "escaping" (which is more or less
identical to what you do in languages like C):

Change  \  to  \\
Change  "  to  \"
Change newline to  \n

For html you have to do some "encoding":

Change  &  to  &amp;
Change  <  to  &lt;

If you do these five simple changes (a few seconds' work with a good
text edtor) then all "pure ascii" pictures that are printed with
javascript in your html pages will work.


(You didn't even _look_ at that page, did you?)


[Followups STILL set to a more apporopriate group, thought I suspect you
will once again override that and CONTINUE to be rude to the aaa
readers.]
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    |\ '__                        /|\                        _{ _ 
    `.' / `.,_ _________           |           _________ _,.' (/ `.
    /  ||``._.'             ASCII ART CHAT!             `---'|:||,/
  .'   /|                                                   /|:| \
.'    /\ \         __   __                _                 `/|'\'
 ` `,/ /`,\        \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _         /,'\ \
   .'.'  /|         \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |        |\  `.`.
 ,' /   / |          \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|        | \   \ `,
- `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -

ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Strings don't accept line breaks.

Sure they do. You just have to "escape" them as  \n

> I fiddled with this script for 4 hours straight.
> Trust me, this is how it can be done.

*yawn!*

> (incredibly enough, you can't use " and \ characters either, which limited
> the number of pictures I could use too...)

Of course you can! See for example:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/creative/animations/Lizard.html

lots of \ characters in that one...  :)

> Good reasoning...we should all just go back to 1994 when Times were the only
> font you could view the web in.
> I just love that :P

Apparently you would just love that, or you wouldn't use <font>. The
appropriate way to achieve the same effect, without hurting the display
in older browsers, is to use CSS.

> Yeah, and turning of cookies is also a popular feature, and it too seriously
> limits your way of using the web...

Really? In what way? Could it be that a majority of users simply don't
WANT things like cookies and author specified fonts?

> The page is designed for people who leave their browser display preferences to
> it's default. (Which most people do...)

I see it like this:

* Those users who do care about how pages display change their
  settings.

* Those users who don't care about how pages display, well, how
  can I put this... THEY DON'T CARE!

WHY are you working so hard to please those who don't care and at the
same time pissing off those who do care? That doesn't make sense.

> Well thank you Veronica.
> You seriously discouraged me from ever more updating my collection.

*yawn*

"Only criticise me if you have something positive to say." Well, I guess
that's one way to stay incompetent... Please note that so far I haven't
said "peep" about the content of your page. (OK, I haven't _looked_ at
the content of your page, but then, why would I want to strain my eyes
by looking at Ant Print?)


[Snip of sob story... yeah, you'll be soooo missed... not]

[Followups set again. Please follow common netiquette and respect that.
This discussion has moved away from ascii art and does not belong in
this group any more. Those who wish to follow it should follow it in the
site-design group.]
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    /|__--__                       .                        __--__
    |\ '__                        /|\                        _{ _ 
    `.' / `.,_ _________           |           _________ _,.' (/ `.
    /  ||``._.'             ASCII ART CHAT!             `---'|:||,/
  .'   /|                                                   /|:| \
.'    /\ \         __   __                _                 `/|'\'
 ` `,/ /`,\        \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _         /,'\ \
   .'.'  /|         \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |        |\  `.`.
 ,' /   / |          \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|        | \   \ `,
- `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -

Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 13 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:33:22 GMT, ekv...@my-dejanews.com posted:
|
|Strings don't accept line breaks.
|I fiddled with this script for 4 hours straight.
|Trust me, this is how it can be done.
|
|(incredibly enough, you can't use " and \ characters either, which limited
|the number of pictures I could use too...)
|
'--------------------------------

Bah!

You can use \ and " by doing \\ and \" respectively ... and as for line
breaks, try feeding this into a text box...

\r\n (Carriage Return and LIne feed)

form.textbox="   |||||\r\n  | o o |\r\n  |  >  |\r\n  | \_/ |\r\n
\\___/\r\n"

(Take out the 72-column wrap!)

I don't know if this would work for a <PRE> tag, and frankly I don't much
care, but try it like that anyway.

-Martin.
 __  __          _   _
|  \/  |__ _ _ _| |_(_)_ _
| |\/| / _` | '_|  _| | ' \   o  Happy Birthday to me...
|_|  |_\__,_|_| _\__|_|_||_| /|\ It`s my birthday you see...
    /_\| |_| |_(_)_ _  ___   / \ On the 25th day of March...
   / _ \  _| / / | ' \(_-<       Happy Birthday to me...
  /_/ \_\__|_\_\_|_||_/__/
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Martin Atkins <zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz> ASCII art 13 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
.----- On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:40:43 GMT, ekv...@my-dejanews.com posted:
|
|Claiming to be the biggest was in fact based on the fact that no one has
|proved me different. If somones collection is bigger (remember that I haven't
|been around for the last year :) then I will remove this claim. Or maybe I
|will just grow bigger. I would rather choose the latter solution, but now...I
|don't know if I should even bother trying.
'--------------------------

Do carry on... I was merely trying to help you make it work properly, in as
many browsers as possible. I apologise if I sounded patronising - that
wasn't intentional. Keep going with the site, and try the suggestion that I
and Lunatic made about \r\n, \\ and \".

.--------------------------
\
 > SNIP!
/
|
|I tend to ignore people like that, but Veronica is a highly regarded ascii
|artist, and when people like that call me a newbie and stuff it kind of
|hurts. I may not be an artist, just a mere collector. My facination with
|ascii art has made me use a lot of my spare time sharing, spreading and
|promoting ascii art for free. I've always been friendly to newbies, new
|artists and everyone who gives me feedback, because I was once new and I can
|only thank Joan Stark for bringing me into the wonderful world of ascii
|simply by answering my requests and being friendly to me.
|
|I don't want to leave the ascii art world, but as I've said before I thrive on
|feedback, and if it's JUST negative feedback (like lately) I lose interest in
|keeping up a collection.
|
'--------------------------

I still haven't looked at your site, since I read news offline so can't look
at it while I'm reading your messages - but if you can pull it off properly
and nicely it should make a really good ASCII Art reference site.

-Martin
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    /_\| |_| |_(_)_ _  ___   / \ On the 25th day of March...
   / _ \  _| / / | ' \(_-<       Happy Birthday to me...
  /_/ \_\__|_\_\_|_||_/__/
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JRO <ogl...@mail.fullnet.net-remove> ASCII art 14 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7can12$t35$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Well thank you Veronica.
>You seriously discouraged me from ever more updating my collection.
>I updated from request from several people, but you (and a few more)
>finally killed the joy I once felt collecting ascii art.
>
>Concider this post a goodbye to the ascii world...



               "Boo hoo hoo hoo..."
               Goodbye, cruel asskey
                   art world!"
                        /
                ___\/  /
               (_//__\
              /_)_-  )
             / /'o__/_
             \__ \_/  \
                \    \ \____
                |    |\_\___]
                |____| \o)||   ___
                | |  |    ||  (_(o)
              __|_|__|__  ||   )_)
              \_       _/_|/  (_(
          ____  )     ( | ___________
          ____ (_______/____________
         ____________________________
         ___________________________

            o           o         O
             __ _   O       _
        o   / _| |         | | o
           | |_| |_ o _ ___| |__    o
           |  _| | | | / __| '_ \ O
         o | | | | |_| \__ \ | | |
           |_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_|

              "AAAIIIIEEEE!!!"
                ____________
              _[____\/ _____]
             (_\|(_//__\ o||   ___
              \ \ X_X  )  ||  (_(o)
              _\_\_O__/__ ||   )_)
              \_       _/_|/  (_(
          ____  )     ( | ___________
          ____ (_______/____________
         ____________________________
         ___________________________

      o    O            o              o        O
                 o      _        O           o        _  o
  O     o              | |        o              o   | |
   __ _ _   _ _ __ __ _| | ___   __ _ _   _ _ __ __ _| | ___
  / _` | | | | '__/ _` | |/ _ \ / _` | | | | '__/ _` | |/ _ \
 | (_| | |_| | | | (_| | |  __/  (_| | |_| | | | (_| | |  __/
  \__, |\__,_|_|  \__, |_|\___| \__, |\__,_|_|  \__, |_|\___|
   __/ |     O     __/ |       _ __/ |           __/ |
  |___/           |___/  o    | |___/   O       |___/
           o    ___ _   _  ___| | __  o
               / __| | | |/ __| |/ /
               \__ \ |_| | (__|   <
               |___/\__,_|\___|_|\_\

               ____________
              [____________]
               |         o||   ___
               |          ||  (_(o)
              _|________  ||   )_)
              \_       _/_|/  (_(
          ____  )     ( | ___________
          ____ (_______/____________
         ____________________________
         ___________________________

                              __ _           _
     _ __   _____      _____ / _| | __ _ ___| |__
    | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / __| |_| |/ _` / __| '_ \
    | | | |  __/\ V  V /\__ \  _| | (_| \__ \ | | |
    |_| |_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_|
                              __\/___
                             //\_____\
                    _       /_(o)_(o)_\
                    \\      (/  ___  \)
                    /\\    __\ '\_/' /__
                   /\ /\  /  \/\   /\/  \
                    \/  \/      \_/      \
                      \  \  |    . |_||   \
                       \   /|         |   /
                        \_/ |    .    |  /

     In today's news, the asskey art world bid a fond
  farewell to one-time archivist, Erik "The Dick" Veland.
  Erik was well-known for keeping one of the largest ascie
  collections on-line, although his web page did contain
  many megabytes of Usenet and Email headers acompanying
  the text pictures he so loved. He was also reported to
  have ignored email and the works of famous asskey car-
  toonists such as JRO and his missing pal, Al.

                          __\/___
                         //\_____\
                        /_(o)_(o)_\
                        (/  ___  \)       _
                       __\ '\_/' /__     //\
                      /  \/\   /\/  \   /\ /\
                     /      \_/      \ /  \/
                    /   |    . |_||   /  /
                    \   |         |\    /
                     \  |    .    | \__/

    Erik's sudden demise came as a shock to the asskey art
  world, when he apparently took his own life in a bizzare
  fashion. Freinds said his means of suicide was, "Typically
  Erik". The distress which led up to his fateful action was
  precipitated by the asskey art world's own "Rabid Reposting
  Duo". Being of weak mind, Erik allowed the kibitzers' rabid
  reposts to upset him, instead of ignoring their off-topic,
  criticisms of his web page. Unable to deal with the fact that
  his web site was, indeed, in need of some repair, and unable
  to completely defend himself from the Rabid Duo, Erik chose
  the final resort in a fit of depression. Shocked and distraught
  by her loss, his mother (whom he still lived at home with),
  managed to make the observation, "His last act on earth was
  one I have been trying to teach him to remember for most of
  his life. At least for once, he did flush."

                      __\/___
                     //\_____\
                    /_(x)_(x)_\
                    (//))))  \)
                   __\\___/' /__
                  /   /  / /\/  \
                 |  |/  /_/      \
                 |  /  / . |_||   \
                 |____/       |   /
                    |    .    |  /

    Upon hearing the news, friends and well-wishers of the asskey
  art world wished Erik, "Good sailing".......



               __\/___           "Wasted? Why, no. What'd
    ~-._      //\_____\            make you think that?...
        ~-._ /_(O)_(-)_\        _  ...Where's my Everclear?"
             (/  ___  \)~-._   //
            __\ '\_/' /__   ~-//\
           /  \/\   /\/  \   /\ /\~-._
          /      \_/      \ /  \/
         /   |    . |_||   /  /
         \   |         |\    /
          \  |         | \__/


JRO

Donovan <don...@misslink.net> ASCII art 14 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
I know funny and that was it!

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JRO wrote in message <36eba295.0@206.103.97.91>...
>
>ekv...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7can12$t35$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>Well thank you Veronica.
>>You seriously discouraged me from ever more updating my collection.
>>I updated from request from several people, but you (and a few more)
>>finally killed the joy I once felt collecting ascii art.
>>
>>Concider this post a goodbye to the ascii world...
>
>
>
>               "Boo hoo hoo hoo..."
>               Goodbye, cruel asskey
>                   art world!"
>                        /
>                ___\/  /
>               (_//__\
>              /_)_-  )
>             / /'o__/_
>             \__ \_/  \
>                \    \ \____
>                |    |\_\___]
>                |____| \o)||   ___
>                | |  |    ||  (_(o)
>              __|_|__|__  ||   )_)
>              \_       _/_|/  (_(
>          ____  )     ( | ___________
>          ____ (_______/____________
>         ____________________________
>         ___________________________
>
>            o           o         O
>             __ _   O       _
>        o   / _| |         | | o
>           | |_| |_ o _ ___| |__    o
>           |  _| | | | / __| '_ \ O
>         o | | | | |_| \__ \ | | |
>           |_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_|
>
>              "AAAIIIIEEEE!!!"
>                ____________
>              _[____\/ _____]
>             (_\|(_//__\ o||   ___
>              \ \ X_X  )  ||  (_(o)
>              _\_\_O__/__ ||   )_)
>              \_       _/_|/  (_(
>          ____  )     ( | ___________
>          ____ (_______/____________
>         ____________________________
>         ___________________________
>
>      o    O            o              o        O
>                 o      _        O           o        _  o
>  O     o              | |        o              o   | |
>   __ _ _   _ _ __ __ _| | ___   __ _ _   _ _ __ __ _| | ___
>  / _` | | | | '__/ _` | |/ _ \ / _` | | | | '__/ _` | |/ _ \
> | (_| | |_| | | | (_| | |  __/  (_| | |_| | | | (_| | |  __/
>  \__, |\__,_|_|  \__, |_|\___| \__, |\__,_|_|  \__, |_|\___|
>   __/ |     O     __/ |       _ __/ |           __/ |
>  |___/           |___/  o    | |___/   O       |___/
>           o    ___ _   _  ___| | __  o
>               / __| | | |/ __| |/ /
>               \__ \ |_| | (__|   <
>               |___/\__,_|\___|_|\_\
>
>               ____________
>              [____________]
>               |         o||   ___
>               |          ||  (_(o)
>              _|________  ||   )_)
>              \_       _/_|/  (_(
>          ____  )     ( | ___________
>          ____ (_______/____________
>         ____________________________
>         ___________________________
>
>                              __ _           _
>     _ __   _____      _____ / _| | __ _ ___| |__
>    | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / __| |_| |/ _` / __| '_ \
>    | | | |  __/\ V  V /\__ \  _| | (_| \__ \ | | |
>    |_| |_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_|
>                              __\/___
>                             //\_____\
>                    _       /_(o)_(o)_\
>                    \\      (/  ___  \)
>                    /\\    __\ '\_/' /__
>                   /\ /\  /  \/\   /\/  \
>                    \/  \/      \_/      \
>                      \  \  |    . |_||   \
>                       \   /|         |   /
>                        \_/ |    .    |  /
>
>     In today's news, the asskey art world bid a fond
>  farewell to one-time archivist, Erik "The Dick" Veland.
>  Erik was well-known for keeping one of the largest ascie
>  collections on-line, although his web page did contain
>  many megabytes of Usenet and Email headers acompanying
>  the text pictures he so loved. He was also reported to
>  have ignored email and the works of famous asskey car-
>  toonists such as JRO and his missing pal, Al.
>
>                          __\/___
>                         //\_____\
>                        /_(o)_(o)_\
>                        (/  ___  \)       _
>                       __\ '\_/' /__     //\
>                      /  \/\   /\/  \   /\ /\
>                     /      \_/      \ /  \/
>                    /   |    . |_||   /  /
>                    \   |         |\    /
>                     \  |    .    | \__/
>
>    Erik's sudden demise came as a shock to the asskey art
>  world, when he apparently took his own life in a bizzare
>  fashion. Freinds said his means of suicide was, "Typically
>  Erik". The distress which led up to his fateful action was
>  precipitated by the asskey art world's own "Rabid Reposting
>  Duo". Being of weak mind, Erik allowed the kibitzers' rabid
>  reposts to upset him, instead of ignoring their off-topic,
>  criticisms of his web page. Unable to deal with the fact that
>  his web site was, indeed, in need of some repair, and unable
>  to completely defend himself from the Rabid Duo, Erik chose
>  the final resort in a fit of depression. Shocked and distraught
>  by her loss, his mother (whom he still lived at home with),
>  managed to make the observation, "His last act on earth was
>  one I have been trying to teach him to remember for most of
>  his life. At least for once, he did flush."
>
>                      __\/___
>                     //\_____\
>                    /_(x)_(x)_\
>                    (//))))  \)
>                   __\\___/' /__
>                  /   /  / /\/  \
>                 |  |/  /_/      \
>                 |  /  / . |_||   \
>                 |____/       |   /
>                    |    .    |  /
>
>    Upon hearing the news, friends and well-wishers of the asskey
>  art world wished Erik, "Good sailing".......
>
>
>
>               __\/___           "Wasted? Why, no. What'd
>    ~-._      //\_____\            make you think that?...
>        ~-._ /_(O)_(-)_\        _  ...Where's my Everclear?"
>             (/  ___  \)~-._   //
>            __\ '\_/' /__   ~-//\
>           /  \/\   /\/  \   /\ /\~-._
>          /      \_/      \ /  \/
>         /   |    . |_||   /  /
>         \   |         |\    /
>          \  |         | \__/
>
>
>JRO
>
>
>
>
>

ekv...@my-dejanews.com 14 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <36eba295.0@206.103.97.91>,
  "JRO" <ogl...@mail.fullnet.net-remove> wrote:

>     Upon hearing the news, friends and well-wishers of the asskey
>   art world wished Erik, "Good sailing".......

LOL...hehe, I enjoyed that one :)

Erik "the dick" Veland

Look for another newsflash real soon...

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Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 31 Mar 1999 00:00 · permalink · report
>Message-id: <7c05it$ktg$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>

> Sure I have a few zebras, but they are tucked away in
>animal collections.
>

Do you have this lovely pic by Targon??

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-joan
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