Apology to people who don't like my post.

	If people hated how I posted the Ansi then I'm sorry.  If it's the way
I posted it then tell me and I'll post it in one big zip. 

Sir...@ix.netcom.com (Sir...@ix.netcom.com):
> If people hated how I posted the Ansi then I'm sorry.
> If it's the way I posted it then tell me and I'll post it in one big zip. 

(1)  Post ASCII only!  Don't post anything containing 8bit characters.
(2)  If you post compressed stuff then convert it to text before you post.
(3)  Don't post big stuff - put it up onto a web server and post the URL.

Sven

On Sat, 10 Aug 1996 Sir...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> 	If people hated how I posted the Ansi then I'm sorry.  If it's the way
> I posted it then tell me and I'll post it in one big zip. 

DO NOT do that, please.. Just don't post anything more here.. d:)


*laugh*
solus

Sven Guckes (guc...@banach.math.fu-berlin.de) wrote:
: Sir...@ix.netcom.com (Sir...@ix.netcom.com):
: > If people hated how I posted the Ansi then I'm sorry.
: > If it's the way I posted it then tell me and I'll post it in one big zip. 
: 
: (1)  Post ASCII only!  Don't post anything containing 8bit characters.
: (2)  If you post compressed stuff then convert it to text before you post.
: (3)  Don't post big stuff - put it up onto a web server and post the URL.
: 
: Sven
: 
That is right big stuff is ment for alt.binaries.pictures.ascii.
If we can keep the dam porn posting people out of it.

pcdolding
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Sir...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
>         If people hated how I posted the Ansi then I'm sorry.  If it's the way
> I posted it then tell me and I'll post it in one big zip.

Hi SirBGB, Ansi Art is welcome and zip is an acceptable method of sending it in bulk, 
There are people who think the universe revolves around themselfs and it is these same 
people who will always complain about others because the others don't conform to what 
these people believe their universe should revolve like. Unfortunatly these same 
disgruntled self important and selfrightous individuals have set themselfs up for a 
life time of dissapointment and frustration because they have choosen to adorn the 
blinders of a race horse, refusing to believe that there is more to life then there 
petty bickerings and narrow minded views. Please pay no attention to the fools behind 
the keyboards and welcome to the net.

 Thanks
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Christian Reinsfelt wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Aug 1996 Sir...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> >       If people hated how I posted the Ansi then I'm sorry.  If it's the way
> > I posted it then tell me and I'll post it in one big zip.
> 
> DO NOT do that, please.. Just don't post anything more here.. d:)
> 
> *laugh*
> solus

You sure know how to make a person feel welcome here
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Thats not very Christian of you now is it? Christian Reinsfelt? I say this with 
Heartfelt sadness Mr. Reinsfelt.

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Sven Guckes wrote:
> (1)  Post ASCII only!  Don't post anything containing 8bit characters.
> (2)  If you post compressed stuff then convert it to text before you po=
st.
> (3)  Don't post big stuff - put it up onto a web server and post the UR=
L.
> =

> Sven
ummm,Sven,ascii contains 8-bit characters(like =DF)
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On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:15:31 -0700, Cricket <cri...@mail.tcd.net> wrote:

>Hi SirBGB, Ansi Art is welcome and zip is an acceptable method of sending it in bulk, 

There is a group called alt.binaries.pictures.ascii where this would be more
than welcome. There is a newsgroup for just about everything, and the
binaries groups are for posting binary files. It's really not that difficult
a concept if you can spend some time pondering it.

>There are people who think the universe revolves around themselfs and it is these same 
>people who will always complain about others because the others don't conform to what 
>these people believe their universe should revolve like. Unfortunatly these same 

I always find it so amusing when the one person who disagrees with the vast
majority takes it upon him/herself to talk about how *everybody else* sees
him/herself as the center of the universe, don't you?

>disgruntled self important and selfrightous individuals have set themselfs up for a 
>life time of dissapointment and frustration because they have choosen to adorn the 
>blinders of a race horse, refusing to believe that there is more to life then there 
>petty bickerings and narrow minded views. Please pay no attention to the fools behind 
>the keyboards and welcome to the net.

What a pile of self-aggrandizing, (and misspelled) drivel. "adorn the
blinders of a race horse"?!?! Are you suggesting that the people here are
really only 4 lines tall and can be pasted/stapled/sprayed/sewn (pick one)
onto a race-horse's blinders? That's a cruel thing to say.

Anyway, once again (music reaching a crescendo in the background), there is
a newsgroup for binary postings of ascii art. This is simply not it. There
is also a newsgroup for get rich quick schemes, and for buy-and-sell. This
is not either of those either. If the one is ok by you, then I assume the
others are also? Are you, in fact, advocating the idea that whatever anybody
wants to post is ok because anybody who doesn't like it is a self-righteous
fool?

Here's a though. Maybe we should opt for one giant newsgroup from which we
can all download millions of headers every day. What the heck, after all,
"... there is more to life then there petty bickerings and narrow minded
views.",    Jethro.

So, there it is. Whatever anybody wants to post is ok. Never mind the
newsgroups specifically created for the postings. Post everything here (or
where ever the heck else you feel like it). Cricket is open minded. Cricket
has spoken! Anybody who objects is spackle on a horse's blinders.

Happy spam collecting Cricket.

Oh, and if you are finding the concept of posting to *appropriate*
newsgroups (out of courtesy, if nothing else) too complicated, then by all
means, please post your questions here. I'm sure someone else will be able
to explain it better than I have.

Alan

Bill Risher  <bil...@midwest.net> wrote:
>Sven Guckes wrote:
>> (1) Post ASCII only!  Don't post anything containing 8bit characters.
>> (2) If you post compressed stuff then convert it to text before you post.
>> (3) Don't post big stuff - put it up onto a web server and post the URL.

>ummm,Sven,ascii contains 8-bit characters(like =DF)

No, it doesn't.  It never has.  There are 2^7 = 128 ASCII characters, not
2^8 = 256.  Your "=DF" is a MIME thing, since you posted with Netscape,
and those of us who use VT 100 compatible terminals see garbage.  Haven't
you ever looked at an ASCII table?

P.S.: Sven: I thought warlording alt.ascii-art .sig's was against the
rules (a mark of Cain thing, you know)?  Of course, you're right about
the sig dashes...

-- 
Matt Corks, 1B Co-Op PMath, C.S.
mvc...@uwaterloo.ca, http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/mvcorks/
"Millport is an island off the coast of Scotland.  Sometimes teenagers go there
and take LSD." -The Vaselines, describing the song `The Day I Was A Horse'

mvc...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Matt Corks):
> Sven: I thought warlording alt.ascii-art .sig's was against the rules

It is.  In AFW.  And this is not a warlord.  :-)

Sven

mvc...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Matt Corks) wrote:

>No, it doesn't.  It never has.  There are 2^7 = 128 ASCII characters, not
>2^8 = 256.  Your "=DF" is a MIME thing, since you posted with Netscape,
>and those of us who use VT 100 compatible terminals see garbage.  Haven't
>you ever looked at an ASCII table?

Something extra to consider is that the TCP/IP protocol is 7-bit.  If
an 8-Bit file is posted it will be received garbled anyway.  Without
the functionality of some form of encoding (such as MIME encoding) it
is not possible for an 8-bit file to be carried over TCP/IP.  Programs
such as Netscape/Agent/IE will do this transparently to the user but
not all people have such luxuries available to them.

Having only just started taking this newsgroup I'm not sure of the
etiquette and could not find the FAQ, but from reading postings it
does seem that the originator of this thread should take some time to
learn a bit more about the medium he's using.

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tri...@io.com (WarDancer) writes:

>Something extra to consider is that the TCP/IP protocol is 7-bit.  If
>an 8-Bit file is posted it will be received garbled anyway.  Without
>the functionality of some form of encoding (such as MIME encoding) it
>is not possible for an 8-bit file to be carried over TCP/IP.  Programs
>such as Netscape/Agent/IE will do this transparently to the user but
>not all people have such luxuries available to them.

Even within the 7-bit protocol there are problems.  If you stick to the
range ' ' (space = 32) to '~' (tilde = 126) then you should be OK.  And you
will of course need some sort of line feed, but those are different on PC's,
Mac or UNIX, so just use what your editor gives you when you hit <return>.
Tabs will be transmitted OK, but will probably be interpreted differently 
by other terminals, so your lovely artwork will get messed.  If you have
non-ASCII funnies on your keyboard like Pound signs (a big hello to Mac users
everywhere!), then check the byte value.

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WarDancer wrote:
> 
> mvc...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Matt Corks) wrote:
> 
> >No, it doesn't.  It never has.  There are 2^7 = 128 ASCII characters, not
> >2^8 = 256.  Your "=DF" is a MIME thing, since you posted with Netscape,
> >and those of us who use VT 100 compatible terminals see garbage.  Haven't
> >you ever looked at an ASCII table?
yeah,i'm looking at one now,and it has 255 characters. it has the
keyboard chars(0-127) and it has the extended chars(128-255),which
include the accented vowels,the line drawing chars(179-218),and the
mathematical chars,plus a few extras such as shaded blocks and half
blocks.
> 
> Something extra to consider is that the TCP/IP protocol is 7-bit.  If
well,then i am glad that mine is auto-encoded
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Bill Risher (bil...@midwest.net) wrote:

: yeah,i'm looking at one now,and it has 255 characters. it has the
: keyboard chars(0-127) and it has the extended chars(128-255),which
: include the accented vowels,the line drawing chars(179-218),and the
: mathematical chars,plus a few extras such as shaded blocks and half
: blocks.

Standard ASCII covers 0-127, and 128-255 vary from system to system.  Anyone
who's talking about ASCII on the net is usually speaking of 7-bit 0-127.

bil...@midwest.net (Bill Risher):
> > >Haven't you ever looked at an ASCII table?
> yeah,i'm looking at one now,and it has 255 characters. it has the
> keyboard chars(0-127) and it has the extended chars(128-255),

That's not 255 but 256 characters!

> which include the accented vowels,the line drawing chars (179-218), and the
> mathematical chars, plus a few extras such as shaded blocks and half blocks.

Have you ever wondered why the characters with eigth bit set appear
differently on other systems?  Hint:  Different characters set codes.

If you want to make sure that other people will see the same "kind" of picture
then you should use the ASCII as defined without eigth bit set.

Sven

Bill Risher  <bil...@midwest.net> wrote:
>> mvc...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Matt Corks) wrote:
>>>No, it doesn't.  It never has.  There are 2^7 = 128 ASCII characters, not
>>>2^8 = 256.  Your "=DF" is a MIME thing, since you posted with Netscape,
>>>and those of us who use VT 100 compatible terminals see garbage.  Haven't
>>>you ever looked at an ASCII table?

>yeah,i'm looking at one now,and it has 255 characters. it has the
>keyboard chars(0-127) and it has the extended chars(128-255),which
>include the accented vowels,the line drawing chars(179-218),and the
>mathematical chars,plus a few extras such as shaded blocks and half
>blocks.

Really?  I've never noticed those ones before.  Let me check the ASCII
man page.

... nope, there are still 127 characters, so it's 7 bit.  You must be
referring to the DOS extended character set.  I mean, you are running DOS:
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (Win95; I; 16bit)

>>Something extra to consider is that the TCP/IP protocol is 7-bit.
>well,then i am glad that mine is auto-encoded

Really?

	mobius09:~$ grep -i 8bit .netscape/preferences
	8BIT_MAIL_AND_NEWS: False

Your mailer allows you to send things 8 bit.  But, from RFC 821 (SMTP):

	Commands and replies are composed of characters from the ASCII
	character set [1].  When the transport service provides an 8-bit byte
	(octet) transmission channel, each 7-bit character is transmitted
	right justified in an octet with the high order bit cleared to zero.

Clearly, ASCII is 7 bit.
-- 
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mvc...@uwaterloo.ca, http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/mvcorks/
"Millport is an island off the coast of Scotland.  Sometimes teenagers go there
and take LSD." -The Vaselines, describing the song `The Day I Was A Horse'

>> >No, it doesn't.  It never has.  There are 2^7 = 128 ASCII characters, not
>> >2^8 = 256.  Your "=DF" is a MIME thing, since you posted with Netscape,
>> >and those of us who use VT 100 compatible terminals see garbage.  Haven't
>> >you ever looked at an ASCII table?

> yeah,i'm looking at one now,and it has 255 characters. it has the
> keyboard chars(0-127) and it has the extended chars(128-255),which
> include the accented vowels,the line drawing chars(179-218),and the
> mathematical chars,plus a few extras such as shaded blocks and half
> blocks.

Yeah, and just how many character-sets on how many platforms include these 
second 128 characters!??!?!?  Sweet F.A.!!!  

Not once in computer-science were we told about the implications of 
translating the "line drawing" characters in electronic communication.  
Why?  Coz no-one f**king -cares- about them!!!  Oh, and none of the 
ASCII tables -they- showed us included the silly extended characters 
either.  

Did you not realise that they are called the -extended- characters 
because they aren't a part of the Standard ASCII characters in common 
use!??  

If they were as standard as you claim, why aren't they used in the 
ASCII-art we see here?!?  Surely they make a -wondrous- improvement 
to the clarity of images posted here.  (Said -very- sarcasticly.)  

>> Something extra to consider is that the TCP/IP protocol is 7-bit.  If
> well,then i am glad that mine is auto-encoded

Yeah, you could get really stressed about what you should do with that 
extra bit.  (I have some suggestions if you -really- wish to know...)  

Luv'n'hugs, 
Nathan.  

PS:  Sod off, Noddy!  

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mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:

>Yeah, and just how many character-sets on how many platforms include these 
>second 128 characters!??!?!?  Sweet F.A.!!!  

> Not once in computer-science were we told about the implications 
> of translating the "line drawing" characters in electronic 
> communication.

That figures !

I have been quite amazed that Computer Science buffs express 
ignorance about the effects of posting the extended character set on 
the Net without uuencoding articles containing them.

It appears that the subject is not covered by the University 
courses in Computer Science.

Bye,

On 21 Aug 1996 14:06:32 GMT, cfb...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite) wrote:

>mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
>
>>Yeah, and just how many character-sets on how many platforms include these 
>>second 128 characters!??!?!?  Sweet F.A.!!!  
>
>> Not once in computer-science were we told about the implications 
>> of translating the "line drawing" characters in electronic 
>> communication.
>
>That figures !
>
>I have been quite amazed that Computer Science buffs express 
>ignorance about the effects of posting the extended character set on 
>the Net without uuencoding articles containing them.
>
>It appears that the subject is not covered by the University 
>courses in Computer Science.

Just so you know, Colin, you're dissing the wrong guy. He was pointing out
sarcastically that the extended characters are NOT part of the standard
ASCII character set and should not be posted in messages.

Alan

In article <321...@nntp.netcruiser>, ala...@netcom.ca (Alan Popow) writes:
> On 21 Aug 1996 14:06:32 GMT, cfb...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite) wrote:

>>mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:

>>>Yeah, and just how many character-sets on how many platforms include these 
>>>second 128 characters!??!?!?  Sweet F.A.!!!  

>>> Not once in computer-science were we told about the implications 
>>> of translating the "line drawing" characters in electronic 
>>> communication.

>>That figures !

>>I have been quite amazed that Computer Science buffs express 
>>ignorance about the effects of posting the extended character set on 
>>the Net without uuencoding articles containing them.

>>It appears that the subject is not covered by the University 
>>courses in Computer Science.

> Just so you know, Colin, you're dissing the wrong guy. He was pointing out
> sarcastically that the extended characters are NOT part of the standard
> ASCII character set and should not be posted in messages.

> Alan

Wow, Thanks Alan.  
Glad to know -someone- understood what I was getting at. 

I've just returned to the newsgroups after a longish break, and was 
kinda confused about why I was being hassled for an opinion I didn't 
know I had!  

Anyway...  just for the record Colin:  
While I don't know firsthand what the effects of posting extended-ASCII 
actually are, I know that standard 7-bit ASCII is what the system 
expects.  So it doesn't take a Computer-Scientist to realise that trying 
to use extended-ASCII is kinda silly, and the results will be unpredict-
able.  (Anyone who doesn't realise this is either naiive or stupid...  
and the person I was arguing to back then I believe was in the second 
category.  ...Please note:  I don't mean "naiive" in a -bad- way here.)  

As an afterthought:  Why use extended-ASCII anyway?!?  Unless you know 
it's going to be viewed only on systems that support it, it's not going 
to be very portable, is it?  


Joy to the world, 
Nathan.  

PS:  Think I'll go dig out my c64, devise some ASCII-arts using it's 
     cool PET-ASCII graphic-characters, and post -those-!  

     If I claim we weren't warned about that in Computer-Science 
     -either- do you think I'll get any bites?!?!  

     (Note to the Colins of this world:  That's sarcasm again.) :-)  

PPS:  If you don't like me, heres my excuse:  

.-----------------+---------------------------------+-----------------.
|  \|/ ,,,, \|/   |           Nathan Wain           |   \|/ ,,,, \|/  |
|  ~@-/ o@ \-@    | n.w...@student.canterbury.ac.nz |   ~@-/ o@ \-@   |
|  /_( \__/ )_\   |                                 |   /_( \__/ )_\  |
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On 29 Aug 96 23:30:34 +1200, mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:

>> Just so you know, Colin, you're dissing the wrong guy. He was pointing out
>> sarcastically that the extended characters are NOT part of the standard
>> ASCII character set and should not be posted in messages.
>
>> Alan
>
>Wow, Thanks Alan.  
>Glad to know -someone- understood what I was getting at. 

Well, let's face it, sometimes we all can lose track of who said what and
what he/she meant by whatever it was we think he/she may have said he/she
said in a previous post - even when we have it written down right in our
faces.

And I have to add that I was not trying to diss Colin, just point out where
he erred. Truth is, not many have done as much for this ng as Colin has,
he's entitled to one or two, IMHO.

Could happen to anybody. (except me, of course) ;-)

>.-----------------+---------------------------------+-----------------.
>|  \|/ ,,,, \|/   |           Nathan Wain           |   \|/ ,,,, \|/  |
>|  ~@-/ o@ \-@    | n.w...@student.canterbury.ac.nz |   ~@-/ o@ \-@   |
>|  /_( \__/ )_\   |                                 |   /_( \__/ )_\  |
>|     \__U_/      |    Disclaimer:  I'm stupid !    |      \__U_/     |
>`-----------------+---------------------------------+-----------------'

Ya gotta love it!

I am not an artist. I have no graphic talents whatsoever. Give me a felt-tip
marker and paper, and I will be hard pressed to produce valid dots. But.. I
sure do enjoy this ng. Like the Hollywood incarnation of Salieri, I may not
be able to do it, but I can sure appreciate the hell out of it.

Alan

Alan Popow (ala...@netcom.ca) wrote:
>On 29 Aug 96 23:30:34 +1200, mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
>
>>> Just so you know, Colin, you're dissing the wrong guy. He was pointing out
>>> sarcastically that the extended characters are NOT part of the standard
>>> ASCII character set and should not be posted in messages.
>>
>>> Alan
>>
>>Wow, Thanks Alan.  
>>Glad to know -someone- understood what I was getting at. 
>
>Well, let's face it, sometimes we all can lose track of who said what and
>what he/she meant by whatever it was we think he/she may have said he/she
>said in a previous post - even when we have it written down right in our
>faces.
>
>And I have to add that I was not trying to diss Colin, just point out where
>he erred. 

Actually I think there were a number of misunderstandings in this
thread.

I was genuinely concerned that computer science students do not
seem to receive information about the use of the extended character
set and the problems of posting those characters on the Net.

Computer science graduates seem to be unaware of the problems that
their use on the Net can create.

My response was not a flame of the individual student.

Does that clear the confusion ?  Or add to it ?  8-)

Bye,

On 31 Aug 1996 15:18:55 GMT, cfb...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite) wrote:

>>And I have to add that I was not trying to diss Colin, just point out where
>>he erred. 
>
>Actually I think there were a number of misunderstandings in this
>thread.
>
>I was genuinely concerned that computer science students do not
>seem to receive information about the use of the extended character
>set and the problems of posting those characters on the Net.
>
>Computer science graduates seem to be unaware of the problems that
>their use on the Net can create.
>
>My response was not a flame of the individual student.
>
>Does that clear the confusion ?  Or add to it ?  8-)

That depends... are you an extended character?

Alan
Poet, philosopher, random sample.

In article <509l50$2q...@orm.southern.co.nz>, cfb...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite) writes:
> Alan Popow (ala...@netcom.ca) wrote:
>>On 29 Aug 96 23:30:34 +1200, mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
>>
>>>> Just so you know, Colin, you're dissing the wrong guy. He was pointing out
>>>> sarcastically that the extended characters are NOT part of the standard
>>>> ASCII character set and should not be posted in messages.
>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>
>>>Wow, Thanks Alan.  
>>>Glad to know -someone- understood what I was getting at. 
>>
>>Well, let's face it, sometimes we all can lose track of who said what and
>>what he/she meant by whatever it was we think he/she may have said he/she
>>said in a previous post - even when we have it written down right in our
>>faces.
>>
>>And I have to add that I was not trying to diss Colin, just point out where
>>he erred. 

Yup, I could see you weren't trying to diss anyone there, Alan.  
Sorry if I took your comments out of their intended context.  

> Actually I think there were a number of misunderstandings in this
> thread.
> 
> I was genuinely concerned that computer science students do not
> seem to receive information about the use of the extended character
> set and the problems of posting those characters on the Net.
> 
> Computer science graduates seem to be unaware of the problems that
> their use on the Net can create.
> 
> My response was not a flame of the individual student.
> 
> Does that clear the confusion ?  Or add to it ?  8-)
> 
> Bye,

No, that does clarify things somewhat, Colin.  
I didn't help by being so eager to fan the flames.  I must admit 
fault there.  (Being such a patronising asshole at the time probably 
didn't help, no?)  

And I must actually agree with you on this concern.  With my current 
experience in Computer Science there has been very little done to 
draw attention to this (mis-)use of the extended ASCII-set.  

Well, there has been little coverage of the Internet itself at all.  
(explicit coverage, that is.)  The problems of incompatibility of 
Internet protocols has only been discussed in any depth in one 
third-stage course, rather the focus is almost wholly on programming 
problems in a single-platrorm LAN (Local Area Network) environment.  
(Even then, the LAN is ignored most of the time.)  

Is this the sort of thing to be ignored with the current growth trends 
of the internet?  Bearing in mind many of these students will be 
taking a hands-on role in its future.  For a network that has its 
origins so closely intertwined with these institutions, surely it 
should be better acknowledged by them.  

But hey, that's just my opinion.  

Nathan.  

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mis...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:

>And I must actually agree with you on this concern.  With my current 
>experience in Computer Science there has been very little done to 
>draw attention to this (mis-)use of the extended ASCII-set.  

>Well, there has been little coverage of the Internet itself at all.  
>(explicit coverage, that is.)  The problems of incompatibility of 
>Internet protocols has only been discussed in any depth in one 
>third-stage course, rather the focus is almost wholly on programming 
>problems in a single-platrorm LAN (Local Area Network) environment.  
>(Even then, the LAN is ignored most of the time.)  

>Is this the sort of thing to be ignored with the current growth trends 
>of the internet?  Bearing in mind many of these students will be 
>taking a hands-on role in its future.  For a network that has its 
>origins so closely intertwined with these institutions, surely it 
>should be better acknowledged by them.  

>But hey, that's just my opinion.  

It is a serious deficiency in the Computer Science curriculum in my
view. I do not have infuence to get this remedied but I may know
some people who do have influence. Shall I stir it up ?  :-)

Bye,