Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 5 Jul 1996.
Ascii-art in HTML
alt.ascii-art
· 60 messages · 5 Jul 1996 - 8 Oct 1996
In article <4rigs4$ed...@olorin.nask.pl>, "Gl. Insp. Ochrony Srodowiska" <gio...@news.nask.pl> writes >Have you any sugestion how put ascii art to ALT section in IMG tag? > >I don't want answer like: ><IMG SRC="smile.gif" ALT=":-)"> >It's trivial._____________/ > >I want to put someting like > __ > _7 |> > | _ | > \ \______, > / __ ; > \ _/ \ ) > | / |l > /_l /_l I don't think it can be done. The broswer treats text inside an alt="......" as ordinary text for typesetting i.e. (CR)s are stripped out from the input, and places it in one long horizontal box. <pre>...<\pre> has no effect on this process. Logically you would hope there is something like "\n" for inserting end-of-line into a string. If there is, then it's not "\n". Try alt.html !!! @@@ @@@ @("} {")@ @(.(.)\__ __/(.).)@ @@@) ( """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ) (@@@ ( . ) dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk ( . ) \ ) / http://www.demon.net/ \ ( / \\.-' ,' castle/x/xemu.html ', `-_// // ~-~ """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" '~ \\ / \ "Consciousness is a product of the brain no more & no less than earwax is a product of the ear"-Martin Hunt on a.r.s
Have you any sugestion how put ascii art to ALT section in IMG tag?
I don't want answer like:
<IMG SRC="smile.gif" ALT=":-)">
It's trivial._____________/
I want to put someting like
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Jorn Barger wrote: > > There's a trick that supposedly works for some/many browsers, > where you put > > <pre> > <img alt="this > should > form > a > column" src=whatever.gif> > </pre> > > so that the alt text 'inherits' the surrounding text style. > Interesting idea. Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Netscape 2.0. What I get is "thisshouldformacolumn" without even so much as a space! -- | ___ __ _ _ _ ___O___ ( / \ o / ( / / // // o \/|\/ / / __, _ ,_, __/ / / / __, // // , ( // (/\_/ (_/(_/ |/ (_(_/_ (_/_/ (_/(_(/_(/_/(_/_)_ \\ http://www.surfplaza.com/ | mailto:wal...@surfplaza.com
In article <4rmj35$2p...@Venus.mcs.com>, Jorn Barger <jor...@MCS.COM> writes > >There's a trick that supposedly works for some/many browsers, >where you put > ><pre> ><img alt="this >should >form >a >column" src=whatever.gif> ></pre> > >so that the alt text 'inherits' the surrounding text style. > >Be sure to replace "<" and ">" and "&" with "<" and ">" and "&" > > >I suspect there might be background/foreground colors that work >especially well... anyone experimented with this? > Been there, done that, doesn't work on my (v1.2) Netscape --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+------ Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine (dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk) wrote: --- | In article <4rigs4$ed...@olorin.nask.pl>, "Gl. Insp. Ochrony Srodowiska" | <gio...@news.nask.pl> writes | >Have you any sugestion how put ascii art to ALT section in IMG tag? | > | >I don't want answer like: | ><IMG SRC="smile.gif" ALT=":-)"> | >It's trivial._____________/ | > | >I want to put someting like | > __ | > _7 |> | > | _ | | > \ \______, | > / __ ; | > \ _/ \ ) | > | / |l | > /_l /_l | | I don't think it can be done. The broswer treats text inside | an alt="......" as ordinary text for typesetting i.e. (CR)s | are stripped out from the input, and places it in | one long horizontal box. <pre>...<\pre> has no effect | on this process. | | Logically you would hope there is something like "\n" for | inserting end-of-line into a string. If there is, | then it's not "\n". Try alt.html !!! I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. The best example of this on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. Have a great day, Dave. -- _ .----. . - . PROGRAM (PRO'-gram') [n] A magic spell cast over a |C>_.|.:' .:. . computer allowing it to turn one's input into error __|____|__ `:. O_/ messages. [vi] To engage in a pastime similar to | ______--| \/M banging one's head against a wall, but, with fewer `-/.::::.\-' _/ \_ opportunities for reward. GCS d-- t++ W++ u- au+(*) `--------'
There's a trick that supposedly works for some/many browsers,
where you put
<pre>
<img alt="this
should
form
a
column" src=whatever.gif>
</pre>
so that the alt text 'inherits' the surrounding text style.
Be sure to replace "<" and ">" and "&" with "<" and ">" and "&"
I suspect there might be background/foreground colors that work
especially well... anyone experimented with this?
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In <4rm8hr$4v...@news.nu.edu>, dis...@nunic.nu.edu (David S. Issel - 2144244) writes: >+------ Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine (dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk) wrote: --- >| In article <4rigs4$ed...@olorin.nask.pl>, "Gl. Insp. Ochrony Srodowiska" >| <gio...@news.nask.pl> writes >| >Have you any sugestion how put ascii art to ALT section in IMG tag? >| > >| >I don't want answer like: >| ><IMG SRC="smile.gif" ALT=":-)"> >| >It's trivial._____________/ >| > >| >I want to put someting like >| > __ >| > _7 |> >| > | _ | >| > \ \______, >| > / __ ; >| > \ _/ \ ) >| > | / |l >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. > >The best example of this >on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html > >I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in >Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. > >Have a great day, >Dave. Try setting nutscrape to a monospaced font..
On 8 Jul 1996 07:07:27 GMT, mat...@windmill.com@windmillbbs.com (Matt Granberry) wrote: >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. > >The best example of this >on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html > >I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in >Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. > >Have a great day, >Dave. SUGGESTION: make the ascii art into a gif so folks can see what it looks like....AND include a download link to the "doggie.txt"...like people do on their pages for text based browsers. - |\ _,,,--,,_ ,)--"Kristyne" on IRC Undernet #41plus-- /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' clm...@sprynet.com |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ My Web Pages are at URL: '---''(_/--' (_/-'--http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/clm1948/--
In art<4rqc3f$v...@news.onramp.net>, mat...@windmill.com writes >>| >I want to put someting like >>| > __ >>| > _7 |> >>| > | _ | >>| > \ \______, >>| > / __ ; >>| > \ _/ \ ) >>| > | / |l >>I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include >>ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using >>a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. >> >>The best example of this >>on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html >> >>I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in >>Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. >> >>Have a great day, >>Dave. > Try setting nutscrape to a monospaced font.. No, that is *NOT* the problem!!!! The problem is that newline characters will be deleted from this text, so it becomes "___ _7 |> | _ | \ \...." which doesn't look much like a dog, does it???? <pre>...</pre> does not stop this! I am not aware of any "\n" type sequence for inserting a new-line. Saying that, is there a protocol for inserting an ascii character-number? &013 decimal (&015 oct, &0x0D hex) to put an LF in a string, and would that work OK? --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > The problem is that newline characters will be deleted from > this text, so it becomes "___ _7 |> | _ | \ \...." > which doesn't look much like a dog, does it???? > <pre>...</pre> does not stop this! > I am not aware of any "\n" type sequence for inserting a new-line. can't you use <br> to make a new line? (I may be wrong) -- (o) (o) Odie \ / | ' | "Just smile, nod, and back away." " " "Ignorance is bliss." "Anything that happens, happens."
In art<4ru9c1$13...@bad-news.harborcom.net>, "Robert Croson, Jr" writes: >In article <3J6rt$B+o...@xemu.demon.co.uk> Dave Bird wrote: >> In article <4rmj35$2p...@Venus.mcs.com>, Jorn Barger <jor...@MCS.COM> writes >>> >>>There's a trick that supposedly works for some/many browsers, >>>where you put >>> >>><pre> >>><img alt="this >>>should >>>form >>>a >>>column" src=whatever.gif> >>></pre> >>> >>>so that the alt text 'inherits' the surrounding text style. >>> >>>Be sure to replace "<" and ">" and "&" with "<" and ">" and "&" >>> >>> >>>I suspect there might be background/foreground colors that work >>>especially well... anyone experimented with this? >>> >> Been there, done that, doesn't work on my (v1.2) Netscape > >You can use the <P> element to insert a line break. Only thing is >that this inserts a good bit of space between the lines, too. > >Like this: ><BODY> ><P> ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ George Wenzel <gwe...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> ><P> `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`)Student of Wado Kai Karate ><P> (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `.``-..-' University of Alberta Karate Club ><P> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' NETSCAPE <tm> GOLD RUSH CONTEST WINNING PAGE: ><P>(il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' http://www.ualberta.ca/~gwenzel/ ></BODY> Wow. Really. You don't say. <p> and <br> can be used to insert line-breaks in ordinary text. I am impressed. THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT---IF ANYTHING---WILL INSERT LINEBREAKS INSIDE AN <img alt="How to put linebreaks INSIDE this string"> --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > The problem is that newline characters will be deleted from > this text, so it becomes "___ _7 |> | _ | \ \...." > which doesn't look much like a dog, does it???? > <pre>...</pre> does not stop this! > I am not aware of any "\n" type sequence for inserting a new-line. > > Saying that, is there a protocol for inserting an ascii > character-number? &013 decimal (&015 oct, &0x0D hex) > to put an LF in a string, and would that work OK? No, it won't. I put LOTS of blanks between the last word of a line and the first word of the next line, and it works. I didn't find a law to calculate the number of blanks... just experiment a little. <pre> doesn't affect an ALT statement, <FONT size=x> does. You can have ALT text in any size from 1 to 7. To see what I have done, reach http://www.tinet.ch/table with images turned off and read the ALT text in the "Stargazer" (TXT) section. Hope this helps, Biggo. -- *** Two heads are better than none ***
In article <3J6rt$B+o...@xemu.demon.co.uk> Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <4rmj35$2p...@Venus.mcs.com>, Jorn Barger <jor...@MCS.COM> writes >> >>There's a trick that supposedly works for some/many browsers, >>where you put >> >><pre> >><img alt="this >>should >>form >>a >>column" src=whatever.gif> >></pre> >> >>so that the alt text 'inherits' the surrounding text style. >> >>Be sure to replace "<" and ">" and "&" with "<" and ">" and "&" >> >> >>I suspect there might be background/foreground colors that work >>especially well... anyone experimented with this? >> > Been there, done that, doesn't work on my (v1.2) Netscape You can use the <P> element to insert a line break. Only thing is that this inserts a good bit of space between the lines, too. Like this: <BODY> <P> ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ George Wenzel <gwe...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> <P> `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`)Student of Wado Kai Karate <P> (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `.``-..-' University of Alberta Karate Club <P> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' NETSCAPE <tm> GOLD RUSH CONTEST WINNING PAGE: <P>(il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' http://www.ualberta.ca/~gwenzel/ </BODY> (PS George, if you're seeing this, I hope you don't mind my reposting your sig art. It really is pretty cool.) Now this doesn't line up right, unless the viewer sets his/her browser to use a non-proportional font, whis is usually NOT the default. And in HTML, I don't kow if you can set the font. You can set the font size, but not the font. In Internet Explorer 3.0B1, I can't even set the font, as far as I know. Just the font size and color. Someone did mention that they had an ascii art page out in California somewhere. I wonder how he did it? He mentioned that his site was being featured on some PBS special. If you could find that, maybe he could tell you how he did it. Rob
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > > The problem is that newline characters will be deleted from > this text, so it becomes "___ _7 |> | _ | \ \...." > which doesn't look much like a dog, does it???? > <pre>...</pre> does not stop this! > I am not aware of any "\n" type sequence for inserting a new-line. > > Saying that, is there a protocol for inserting an ascii > character-number? &013 decimal (&015 oct, &0x0D hex) > to put an LF in a string, and would that work OK? > Try something like: <PRE> __
 _7 |>
| _ |
 \ \______,
 / __ ;
 \ _/ \ )
 | / |l
</PRE> where that mess is all on one line. I hope this works. -John -- John T. Rose ISU Computation Center ros...@iastate.edu User Services Systems Analyst/SDG Manager 113 Durham Center <A HREF="http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rose">John T. Rose</A>
Didn't want to include that long message, but if the <p> doesn't give you what you want, try <br> for line break...it doesn't add any space, just goes to the next line. I've never had trouble using <pre> though...
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rcr...@arcm.com (Robert Croson, Jr) writes:
> Now this doesn't line up right, unless the viewer sets his/her
> browser to use a non-proportional font, whis is usually NOT the
> default. And in HTML, I don't kow if you can set the font. You can
> set the font size, but not the font. In Internet Explorer 3.0B1, I
can't even set
> the font, as far as I know. Just the font size and color.
<tt>Put your text here</tt> sets the font to a fixed width font.
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On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > <sigh> this DOESN'T WORK INSIDE THE TEXT OF <IMG ALT="......"> > (AT LEAST ON MY VERSION OF NETSCAPE), HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TRIED IT? > > <img alt="One line then<br> another line"> DOES NOT WORK. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok, then what does img alt do anyway? Read it from a file, or what? I must have missed something...if you want to write One line then another line then One line then<br>another line would do it....what are you actually trying to get to appear on the screen?
In article <31E...@iastate.edu>, rose <ros...@iastate.edu> writes >Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: >> >> The problem is that newline characters will be deleted from >> this text, so it becomes "___ _7 |> | _ | \ \...." >> which doesn't look much like a dog, does it???? >> <pre>...</pre> does not stop this! >> I am not aware of any "\n" type sequence for inserting a new-line. >> >> Saying that, is there a protocol for inserting an ascii >> character-number? &013 decimal (&015 oct, &0x0D hex) >> to put an LF in a string, and would that work OK? >> >Try something like: > ><PRE> __
 _7 |>
| _ |
 \ \______,
 / __ >;
 \ _/ \ )
 | / |l
</PRE> > >where that mess is all on one line. I hope this works. > >-John <img src="none.gif" alt="
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 _7 |> 
 | _ | 
 \ \______, 
 / __ ; 
 \ _/ \ ) 
 | / |l 
"> DOESN'T WORK !!!! No line-breaks are inserted in the resulting alt. Does anyone have an easy way, WHICH THEY HAVE TESTED & FOUND WORKING, of inserting those linebreaks INSIDE AN ALT="..." STRING so that they are displayed in the ALT to the image? --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In article <Pin...@wknc3.sca.ncsu.edu>, "Alan W. Watkins" <aww...@wknc3.sca.ncsu.edu> writes >Didn't want to include that long message, but if the <p> doesn't give you >what you want, try <br> for line break...it doesn't add any space, just >goes to the next line. I've never had trouble using <pre> though... <sigh> this DOESN'T WORK INSIDE THE TEXT OF <IMG ALT="......"> (AT LEAST ON MY VERSION OF NETSCAPE), HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TRIED IT? <img alt="One line then<br> another line"> DOES NOT WORK. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nor does "..............\n............" or anything else I tried. When I try what you suggest, '>' effectively has precedence over ' " ' i.e. it closes [any current string and] all current tag bodies. You cannot have a tag body inside a tag body. The above is treated as <img alt="One line then [deleted text] ["]> another line" One user suggested padding the end of the lines with a very large number of blanks. Does anyone else know an easier way *** which they have tested and found to work *** of insering a line-break INSIDE THE STRING OF ALT=".....". --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In article <O3qvinBC$S4xEw$j...@xemu.demon.co.uk> Dave Bird---St Hipps >>>Have a great day, >>>Dave. >> Try setting nutscrape to a monospaced font.. > > No, that is *NOT* the problem!!!! It is one major problem though, even if it is not THE problem. > The problem is that newline characters will be deleted from > this text, so it becomes "___ _7 |> | _ | \ \...." > which doesn't look much like a dog, does it???? > <pre>...</pre> does not stop this! > I am not aware of any "\n" type sequence for inserting a new-line. The <P> element will insert a line break, and is supported by all versions of HTML from the beginning of recorded HTML hestory. HTML 3.0 has many more options for paragraph formatting, but I am not sure how to use them. I am only familiar with HTML 2.0 and prior versions. Come on guys, the <P> element is so basic. Rob O-
In article <4s0n80$lh...@bad-news.harborcom.net>, "Robert Croson, Jr" <rcr...@arcm.com> writes > >HTML 3.0 has many more options for paragraph formatting, but I am not sure >how to use them. I am only familiar with HTML 2.0 and prior versions. > >Come on guys, the <P> element is so basic. Yep, it's really basic: <P> will NOT insert a linebreak INSIDE THE ALT="stuff<p>" STRING. Will not. Not. Definitely won't. --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > > <img src="none.gif" alt="
 > __ 
 > _7 |> 
 > | _ | 
 > \ \______, 
 > / __ ; 
 > \ _/ \ ) 
 > | / |l 
"> > > DOESN'T WORK !!!! No line-breaks are inserted in the resulting alt. > > Does anyone have an easy way, WHICH THEY HAVE TESTED & FOUND WORKING, > of inserting those linebreaks INSIDE AN ALT="..." STRING > so that they are displayed in the ALT to the image? > EXCUSE ME !!!! If the suggestions people make don't work then too bad. It isn't our job to test things for you and now I'm even sorry I thought about your problem for 2 minutes. Here is an easy solution to your problem WHICH I HAVE TESTED & FOUND WORKING: make your bloody dog lie down on one line. It even works INSIDE AN ALT="..." STRING! Cheerios, -John -- John T. Rose ISU Computation Center ros...@iastate.edu User Services Systems Analyst/SDG Manager 113 Durham Center <A HREF="http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rose">John T. Rose</A>
In article <Pin...@wknc3.sca.ncsu.edu>, "Alan W. Watkins" <aww...@wknc3.sca.ncsu.edu> writes >On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > >> <sigh> this DOESN'T WORK INSIDE THE TEXT OF <IMG ALT="......"> >> (AT LEAST ON MY VERSION OF NETSCAPE), HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TRIED IT? >> >> <img alt="One line then<br> another line"> DOES NOT WORK. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ok, then what does img alt do anyway? Read it from a file, or what? I >must have missed something...if you want to write >One line then >another line >then One line then<br>another line >would do it....what are you actually trying to get to appear on the screen? <img src="spud.gif" alt="[A POTATO]"> has the following effect. Those of us blessed with image-capable browsers see the picture from "spud.gif". Those of us who are on slow links, community based small machines, blind people needing text to convert into speech, and so forth, can have text only like this ____________________ | $#@ [A POTATO] | |_@@?________________| instead of the image. What the person originating the problem -- it wasn't me -- wanted was to have linebreaks in the text, like [A POTATO] So that the text could be a small ascii line drawing of the picture in the gif. People with text only browsers -- a substantial minority -- would see the asciiart alternative. If it could be done. --Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: > > In article <Pin...@wknc3.sca.ncsu.edu>, > "Alan W. Watkins" <aww...@wknc3.sca.ncsu.edu> writes > >Didn't want to include that long message, but if the <p> doesn't give you > >what you want, try <br> for line break...it doesn't add any space, just > >goes to the next line. I've never had trouble using <pre> though... > > <sigh> this DOESN'T WORK INSIDE THE TEXT OF <IMG ALT="......"> > (AT LEAST ON MY VERSION OF NETSCAPE), HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TRIED IT? > > <img alt="One line then<br> another line"> DOES NOT WORK. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Nor does "..............\n............" or anything else I tried. Try this one: <img alt="<PRE>One line then another line</PRE>"> I've never tried this myself, but it might work. -- | Christopher Weible ><IXOYE> /_____________, -- -- mailto:wei...@dwx.com <=======| ______________> | http://www.dwx.com/~weible \ | [Let the wicked fear the hand of God]
In article <0$FNQ...@xemu.demon.co.uk> Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote: > <img src="none.gif" alt="
 > __ 
 > _7 |> 
 > | _ | 
 > \ \______, 
 > / __ ; 
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"> > > > DOESN'T WORK !!!! No line-breaks are inserted in the resulting alt. > > > Does anyone have an easy way, WHICH THEY HAVE TESTED & FOUND WORKING, > of inserting those linebreaks INSIDE AN ALT="..." STRING > so that they are displayed in the ALT to the image? Hey, mellow out. Some people may not have caught the original post. Some servers routinely skip individual messages. I know that I missed the original post stating that you were looking for something inside of the <img src=...... alt= > string. Padding the line with extra spaces and returns and crap won't work. HTML is specifically designed to remove ALL EXTRA SPACES AND LINE BREAKS. That is why placing control codes will not provide the result you are looking for. If <BR> and <P> don't work, you're SOL. My advice is this: Give it up. Can't be done. Find something else to work on. --------------- Rob O-
In article <199...@zetnet.co.uk>
Jeremy Cooke <jer...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> <tt>Put your text here</tt> sets the font to a fixed width font.
Cool. Thanks.
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Rob
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In article <31E...@iastate.edu>, rose <ros...@iastate.edu> wrote: >Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine wrote: >> >> <img src="none.gif" alt="
 >> __ 
 >> _7 |> 
 >> | _ | 
 >> \ \______, 
 >> / __ ; 
 >> \ _/ \ ) 
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"> >> >> DOESN'T WORK !!!! No line-breaks are inserted in the resulting alt. BTW, that's "
" (carrige return), or "
" (newline). But, yes, I've had the same problem. I've found that the above only works in Xemac's w3 web browser, which is not very popular. ("Hi, my name is emacs, the only text editor with a web browser written in it's macro language...") In fact, lynx even strips out repeated spaces(!). For example, "&" becomes ".", I believe. So, <a href="foo.pl?val1=one&val2=two"> would be <a href="foo.pl?val1=one.val2=two">, since the first, technically, is a legal URL but not a legal HTML anchor tag. And, using "%26", the standard URL encoding scheme, doesn't work because CGI wants those to be literal ampersands, not separators. However, not all browsers correctly interpret HTML entities in URL's (specifically, Lynx, my current browser of choice). >> Does anyone have an easy way, WHICH THEY HAVE TESTED & FOUND WORKING, >> of inserting those linebreaks INSIDE AN ALT="..." STRING >> so that they are displayed in the ALT to the image? So, in short, no, but not for lack of trying. I've settled for a link to the ascii version. Sigh... >Here is an easy solution to your problem WHICH I HAVE TESTED & FOUND >WORKING: make your bloody dog lie down on one line. Look, that doesn't make sense at all. "Don't make them multiple lines" is not a solution to the problem, "how do you make multiple line alt tags?" -- Matt Corks, 1B Co-Op PMath, C.S. mvc...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/mvcorks "Be careful when you're doing this" - The Anarchist's Cookbook
In article <7E5...@xemu.demon.co.uk>, Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Those of us who are on slow links, community based small machines, > blind people needing text to convert into speech, and so forth, > can have text only like this > ____________________ > | $#@ [A POTATO] | > |_@@?________________| Wow. Ugly. :) The versions of Lynx (is it the *only* text based browser, or just the only one that anyone uses?) that I've used just substitute the ALT text seamlessly. This leads to little clevernesses like: "If you're really interested, here's a picture of my dog, Muffy McShane III. But you can't see it." Well, it sure beats [IMAGE] [INLINE] [ISMAP] This page was made in SpiffoWeb 2.0! (c) 1996 by Fred Bobson Ooh! An alt.religion.scientology sig, featuring the judge's drowning dog! [snip] >OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic" And Paul McGann in the 8th Doctor. :) --Eric Smith
: >Here is an easy solution to your problem WHICH I HAVE TESTED & FOUND
: >WORKING: make your bloody dog lie down on one line.
IMHO it's not solution to my problem, but if you so smart send some
one-line-ascii-art beside smiles (of course ;-)) and this
@-->-- rose |==#======> sword -+--- knife O|-- ankh key
Petrus
,
G��wny Inspektorat Ochrony Srodowiska <gio...@warman.com.pl>
I realize this is not the answer you were looking for, but could you just put a link at the head of the page to a non-graphics page. Then you could just repeat the page, but put your ascii art in instead of the <img>. The ends justify the means... _Dan
ASCII still art can be put into HTML by converting it to a GIF. Put the art into a text editor so you can try different fonts and even colors. When you get it the way you want it, capture the screen or window (for example, with PMCamera if you are running under OS/2) and convert the captured image to a GIF. I have several examples in my pages. An ASCII animation can be included by converting it into a sequence of GIFs and editing them into an MPEG or other movie format.
> In article <0$FNQ...@xemu.demon.co.uk> > Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > <img src="none.gif" alt="
 > > __ 
 > > _7 |> 
 > > | _ | 
 > > \ \______, 
 > > / __ ; 
 > > \ _/ \ ) 
 > > | / |l 
"> > > > > > > DOESN'T WORK !!!! No line-breaks are inserted in the resulting alt. If found something like this working on some cases on the scarecrow www link, but those some cases are: - You have to assume that the browsers screen has a fixed number of columns, 80 on the example, and that it will wrap at the end of the line. This is not such an extreme assumption as if you're seeing the alt you probably have a text screen, be it VT100, VT220 or some windowed telnet. And it is already using a monospaced font. - Now the tricky part, you must type in the entire line so that the ascii wraps on the rigth place, but you can't use more than one space at a time and at the end of the line! So ... how about a background going with your dog?! :) Ha! and you probably will not be able to use > and alikes 'cause they aren't always interpreted inside the alt. This way it works with my version of lynx, of course, if I change to 132 columns ... well you're guessing the mess that comes to screen!! oh well, but if someone finds out a way of going around all this, please, let us know! -- ,o888b,`?88888 Armando Frazao 88888P',d888o, ,8888 888 ?888 aka Seal 888P 888 8888, 8888888P' 888 l33...@alfa.ist.utl.pt 888 `?8888888 888P' 888 http://alfa.ist.utl.pt/~l33812 888 `?888 `88 O d888 --*--*-- 888b O 88' `?._ _.o88888 "Keep the balance" SEAL8o._ _.P'
I believe it's called <pre></pre> for preformatted text. Just tried it with your .sig file and it looks good to me. -- Mic...@Stanford.EDU www.stanford.edu/~silvertn/
In article <4sctrq$cu...@olorin.nask.pl>, gio...@news.nask.pl says... > >: >Here is an easy solution to your problem WHICH I HAVE TESTED & FOUND >: >WORKING: make your bloody dog lie down on one line. >IMHO it's not solution to my problem, but if you so smart send some >one-line-ascii-art beside smiles (of course ;-)) and this >@-->-- rose |==#======> sword -+--- knife O|-- ankh key There is an easy solution to this: put <pre> before the art, and </pre> afterwards. This will give each character equal spacing, and it looks good with ascii art. -- / / // /|\ \ __ /\\\\\\\\// /_|_\ \__|__ | | / \ / \\ .. \\ \ | / / | | | / \ / __\\\\\\\\\\\ \|/ /\__|____|______ | / ___ \ | \\ __ \\ / | \ | \|___/_________\_____|__ \ \\ \\\ \\ / __|__/ | | / \ \ \ -. \ \\\\\\\\\\\/ | | |\/ \ \_\_ / \___________________________________\ \ /ejs...@voyager.net /_______________________\ /http://members.tripod.com/~TheWakk// Shag- always @length.. / /___________________________________/________________________/
Robert Croson, Jr wrote: > > Padding the line with extra spaces and returns and crap won't work. HTML > is specifically designed to remove ALL EXTRA SPACES AND LINE BREAKS. That > is why placing control codes will not provide the result you are looking > for. If <BR> and <P> don't work, you're SOL. HTML is also specifically designed to respond to <PRE> and </pre>. So what? Extra spaces DO work. Font size and colour DO work. Return doesn't. Why are you people replying to this thread if you haven't got a clue? If you put many spaces (tens, maybe hundreds) after a word, you'll force the next word on the next line. I did it. It works in Netscape 1, 2 and 3. Stop. Biggo. -- *** If your car could travel at the speed of light, would the headlights still work? ***
In article <4svfdq$e2...@styx.uwa.edu.au>, David Low <low...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> writes >>> <img src="none.gif" alt="
 >>> __ 
 >>> _7 |> 
 >>> | _ | 
 >>> \ \______, 
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"> >>> >>> DOESN'T WORK !!!! No line-breaks are inserted in the resulting alt. > >What's wrong with something like: > ><pre> > __ > _7 |> > | _ | > \ \______, > / __ ; > \ _/ \ ) > | / |l ></pre> What's wrong is that the ascii-art is no longer the text alternative to the image, which is what the original author actually wanted to do. -- Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Wed, 24 Jul 1996 ksh...@julian.uwo.ca wrote: > In article <4sntfh$s3...@news.idt.net> you write: > >There is an easy solution to this: put <pre> before the art, and </pre> > >afterwards. This will give each character equal spacing, and it looks > >good with ascii art. > > Doesn't work in alt text though, which was the question. Oh.. Then try to put it in an image by pasting it inside a text box in a paint program.. > - Kivi > -- > ksh...@julian.uwo.ca or kiv...@pobox.com (Kivi Shapiro) > HI! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into yours and join the fun! >
In article <4svfdq$e2...@styx.uwa.edu.au> low...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (David Low) wrote: > What's wrong with something like: > > <pre> > __ > _7 |> > | _ | > \ \______, > / __ ; > \ _/ \ ) > | / |l > </pre> > > In my opinion, this is much easier because you don't have to append any > symbols to the end of each line of the art. The <pre> tag tells the web > browser to switch to a monospaced font, which is needed for displaying the > ascii-art. > > Hope this helps. No. It won't do what the original post requested. Best to drop this thread where it is. The original poster was trying to do something else. No one wants to explain it again for the umpteenth time. --------------- Rob O-
In article <31F...@dial.eunet.ch> Biggo <mfa...@dial.eunet.ch> wrote: > Robert Croson, Jr wrote: >> >> Padding the line with extra spaces and returns and crap won't work. HTML >> is specifically designed to remove ALL EXTRA SPACES AND LINE BREAKS. That >> is why placing control codes will not provide the result you are looking >> for. If <BR> and <P> don't work, you're SOL. > > HTML is also specifically designed to respond to <PRE> and </pre>. So what? > Extra spaces DO work.Font size and colour DO work. Return doesn't. > Why are you people replying to this thread if you haven't got a clue? > If you put many spaces (tens, maybe hundreds) after a word, you'll force the > next word on the next line. I did it. It works in Netscape 1, 2 and 3. Stop. Why are you replying to this thread when you haven't got a clue? You missed a hell of a lot of messages if this is the only one you got. You missed about 20 or so messages leading up to the point. If you jump into the middle of a thread, and you can't find the original, then keep your dumb ass out the discussion. For your info, placing a <pre> inside a of the alt=" " tag causes the alt=" " tag to end. Thus screwing up the ascii image insode the alt=" " quotes. If you had bothered to check up on this and read all the messages, you would know that this was the case. Check out what is going on before you shoot your mouth off. > *** If your car could travel at the speed of light, > would the headlights still work? *** Yes. They would still work. --------------- Rob O-
In article <4t7ges$o4...@grivel.une.edu.au>, CRYLUX <pdo...@metz.une.edu.au> writes >The Trick is geting the pre in the right place. No fun chars nothing. >Note this is just a cut out of my test home page. ><pre><img src="none.gif" alt" __ > _7 |> > | _ | > \ \______, > / __ ; > \ _/ \ ) > | / |l"></pre> It doesn't mork on my copy of Netscape, honest; I think it will give a correct alt on Lynx. -- Regards, Woof Woof, Glug Glug-- X E M U * Who Drowned theJUDGe's Dog ? s p 4 \ |\ answers on ( alt.religion.scientology /~~~~~~~ @----, and on page (/x/clam/faq/woofglug.html -;'^';,_,-;^; : : : :http://www.demon.net/castle/x/clam/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ OT8 Cognition:"Source is the 8th Dynamic"[LRon Hubbard is God]BWAAH! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CRYLUX wrote: > Ascii Image came be use just every one has done it wrong so far. > <pre><img src="Missing.gif" alt=" _____ > / \ > | () () | > \ ^ / > ||||| > |||||"></pre> > The Trick is geting the pre in the right place. No fun chars nothing. hmmmmm ... when I use this: <PRE><IMG SRC="none.gif" ALT=" ,o888b,`?88888 ,8888 888 ?888 8888888P' 888 888P' 888 `88 O d888 `?._ _.o88888"> </PRE> I get this in Netscape 3.0b5: ,o888b,`?88888 ,8888 888 ?888 8888888P' 888 888P' And this in Lynx 2.5: ,o888b,`?88888 ,8888 888 ?888 8888888P' 888 888P' 888 `88 O d888 `?._ _.o88888 Neither is really optimal. Extra vertical space in Lynx and no like action in Netscape. This is definitely a big boo-boo on CERN's part if you ask me. One would expect at least this most basic degree of character control. Mic...@Stanford.EDU www.stanford.edu/~silvertn/
Robert Croson, Jr wrote: > Why are you replying to this thread when you haven't got a clue? I could have more clues than you expect. > You missed a hell of a lot of messages if this is the only one you got. > You missed about 20 or so messages leading up to the point. If you jump > into the middle of a thread, and you can't find the original, then keep > your dumb ass out the discussion. I followed this thread from the beginning. In fact, I gave the first (or so) reply to the original poster. > For your info, placing a <pre> inside a of the alt=" " tag causes the alt=" " > tag to end. Thus screwing up the ascii image insode the alt=" " quotes. I know. That's why I don't suggest the use of PRE and /PRE. Are you sure you did read MY message? > If you had bothered to check up on this and read all the messages, you would > know that this was the case. Check out what is going on before you shoot your > mouth off. Uuuh, mr. rude! Don't get too high, you might fall... :-) > > *** If your car could travel at the speed of light, > > would the headlights still work? *** > > Yes. They would still work. Thanks, I can sleep again now. Have fun, Biggo. -- *** when free speech is outlawed, only outlaws will be able to speak freely. ***
In article <31F...@stanford.edu>, Michael Silverton <Mic...@stanford.edu> wrote: >CRYLUX wrote: > >> Ascii Image came be use just every one has done it wrong so far. >> <pre><img src="Missing.gif" alt=" _____ >> / \ >> | () () | >> \ ^ / >> ||||| >> |||||"></pre> >> The Trick is geting the pre in the right place. No fun chars nothing. Hey, cool! Didn't think of that. Thanks! >hmmmmm ... when I use this: [snip] >I get this in Netscape 3.0b5: > >,o888b,`?88888 ,8888 888 ?888 8888888P' 888 888P' > > >And this in Lynx 2.5: > > ,o888b,`?88888 > > ,8888 888 ?888 > > 8888888P' 888 > > 888P' 888 > > `88 O d888 > > `?._ _.o88888 > > >Neither is really optimal. Extra vertical space in Lynx and no > like action in Netscape. I agree that's stupid (as stated in a previous post to this thread). However, I suspect the problem is the actual HTML text file. I just tried this with a UNIX HTML document, and I didn't have a problem. MS-DOS uses <CR><LF> as an end of line character, UNIX is <LF>, and MacOS is <CR>. In the example above, it seems the <CR> was screwing it up. Get a text editor that's capable of saving it with <LF> as the end of line character, such as the vi emulator vim. -- Matt Corks, 1B Co-Op PMath, C.S. mvc...@uwaterloo.ca, http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/mvcorks "Millport is an island off the coast of Scotland. Sometimes teenagers go there and take LSD." -The Vaselines, describing the song `The Day I Was A Horse'
In article <31F...@dial.eunet.ch> Biggo <mfa...@dial.eunet.ch> wrote: > Robert Croson, Jr wrote: >> Why are you replying to this thread when you haven't got a clue? > > I could have more clues than you expect. > >> You missed a hell of a lot of messages if this is the only one you got. >> You missed about 20 or so messages leading up to the point. If you jump >> into the middle of a thread, and you can't find the original, then keep >> your dumb ass out the discussion. > > I followed this thread from the beginning. In fact, I gave the first > (or so) reply to the original poster. > >> For your info, placing a <pre> inside a of the alt=" " tag causes the alt=" " >> tag to end. Thus screwing up the ascii image insode the alt=" " quotes. > > I know. That's why I don't suggest the use of PRE and /PRE. Are you sure you > did read MY message? I believe that the message I responded to suggested using <PRE> as a way to do it. I could be wrong though. :) --------------- Rob O-
Michael Silverton <Mic...@stanford.edu> writes: >I believe it's called <pre></pre> for preformatted text. >Just tried it with your .sig file and it looks good to me. Try this and think about it: <pre> <a href="http://www.w3.org/">W3</a> </\anytext\/> <:-)> </pre> and now use: <xmp> and </xmp> instead of <pre> and </pre> So I would use <xmp> instead. greetings neko -- -- e-mail: nek...@greenie.muc.de *** http://greenie.muc.de/~neko/ http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~demmel/ Tel.: 089/354 41 69 Fax.: 089/354 59 79
Simone Demmel (nek...@greenie.muc.de) wrote: > Try this and think about it: > <pre> > <a href="http://www.w3.org/">W3</a> > </\anytext\/> > <:-)> > </pre> > > and now use: > <xmp> and </xmp> instead of <pre> and </pre> > So I would use <xmp> instead. 'Scuse me? I've never heard of <xmp>. Just what's it's intended purpose? Thanx. -- Bob Curtis <b...@gate.net>
<snip> >> and now use: >> <xmp> and </xmp> instead of <pre> and </pre> >> So I would use <xmp> instead. > >'Scuse me? I've never heard of <xmp>. Just what's it's intended purpose? > >Thanx. > The <XMP> tag is defined as a 'text example'. It is different from <PRE> in that it does not recognise internal HTML style elements. It isn't well supported and is being phased out; probably not a good idea to use it. -Jasper / __ \ # Tel (01865) 316311 # / / \/ ################################# *SPARKS* http://www.demon.co.uk/sparks /\__/ / ################################# \____/ # Fax (01865) 316312 #
Bob Curtis (b...@gate.net) wrote: : Simone Demmel (nek...@greenie.muc.de) wrote: : : > Try this and think about it: : > <pre> : > <a href="http://www.w3.org/">W3</a> : > </\anytext\/> : > <:-)> : > </pre> : > : > and now use: : > <xmp> and </xmp> instead of <pre> and </pre> : > So I would use <xmp> instead. : : 'Scuse me? I've never heard of <xmp>. Just what's it's intended purpose? : : Thanx. <XMP> is just a harder form of <PRE> in sidea a XMP there can be no instructions as XMP will cancel them out PRE lets command like <a href=> work in side its area. Man purpose of <XMP> display text out of htmls with out a problem Execpt is self and text that has stuff in it that is html doc that does mean to be a html command. pcdolding -- _____ _____ / \ / \ | () () | pdo...@metz.une.edu.au | () () | \ ^ / ___ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ \ ^ / ||||| | |__| \_/ | | | \_/ ||||| ||||| |___ | \ | |___ |___| _/ \_ |||||
Biggo <mfa...@dial.eunet.ch> writes: >Robert Croson, Jr wrote: >HTML is also specifically designed to respond to <PRE> and </pre>. So what? >Extra spaces DO work. Font size and colour DO work. Return doesn't. >Why are you people replying to this thread if you haven't got a clue? >If you put many spaces (tens, maybe hundreds) after a word, you'll force the >next word on the next line. I did it. It works in Netscape 1, 2 and 3. Stop. The dangerous fact is, that <pre> interprets HTML-Tags, and if you have a Picture like this: </anything> <pre> ignores it. something like <:-)> is shown correctly. neko -- -- e-mail: nek...@greenie.muc.de *** http://greenie.muc.de/~neko/ http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~demmel/ Tel.: 089/354 41 69 Fax.: 089/354 59 79
pdo...@metz.une.edu.au (CRYLUX) writes: >Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine (dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk) wrote: >Ascii Image came be use just every one has done it wrong so far. ><pre><img src="none.gif" alt" __ > _7 |> > | _ | > \ \______, > / __ ; > \ _/ \ ) > | / |l"></pre> Sorry, I checked this with netscape 2.02 and 1.12. Example: <pre><img src="none.gif" alt=" TTTTT T T "></pre> (netscape autoload-immages turned off) the result was like this: TTTTT T T But Lynx (2.3 BETA) made it correct: TTTTT T T neko -- -- e-mail: nek...@greenie.muc.de *** http://greenie.muc.de/~neko/ http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~demmel/ Tel.: 089/354 41 69 Fax.: 089/354 59 79
Christine Mackley (clm...@sprynet.com) wrote: : On 8 Jul 1996 07:07:27 GMT, : mat...@windmill.com@windmillbbs.com (Matt Granberry) wrote: : >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include : >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using : >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. : > : >The best example of this : >on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html : > : >I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in : >Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. : > : >Have a great day, : >Dave. : SUGGESTION: make the ascii art into a gif so folks can see what it : looks like....AND include a download link to the "doggie.txt"...like : people do on their pages for text based browsers. : - |\ _,,,--,,_ ,)--"Kristyne" on IRC Undernet #41plus-- : /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' clm...@sprynet.com : |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ My Web Pages are at URL: : '---''(_/--' (_/-'--http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/clm1948/-- I believe that the <BR> tag will force a line break. - Sam
In message <526cbj$3f...@news.cis.okstate.edu>
rdk...@okway.okstate.edu (Ron King) writes:
> Don't worry about the <BR> tag. What you want to do is put the codes of
> <pre> and </pre> around your artwork.
> <pre> is for preformatted text. It will recognize all the spaces that you
> need to include in your picture. I don't have any quick answers for any
> special characters that you may use within the <pre></pre> tags though.
Ahhh, I thought this thread died ages ago!
The original post (long time ago now) asked whether it was possible
to put ASCII art in te alt= tag of an image so users not loading
images could have an ASCII version instead.
The end conclusion was that it is not possible (<pre> works in a few
web browsers in the alt string but not all, <BR> won't work either
'cause you can't have tags inside tags).
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In article <51q9u5$8e...@lester.appstate.edu>, hr1...@cs.cs.appstate.edu says... > >Christine Mackley (clm...@sprynet.com) wrote: >: On 8 Jul 1996 07:07:27 GMT, >: mat...@windmill.com@windmillbbs.com (Matt Granberry) wrote: >: >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include >: >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using >: >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. >: > >: >The best example of this >: >on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html >: > >: >I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in >: >Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. >: > >: >Have a great day, >: >Dave. > >: SUGGESTION: make the ascii art into a gif so folks can see what it >: looks like....AND include a download link to the "doggie.txt"...like >: people do on their pages for text based browsers. > >: - |\ _,,,--,,_ ,)--"Kristyne" on IRC Undernet #41plus-- >: /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' clm...@sprynet.com >: |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ My Web Pages are at URL: >: '---''(_/--' (_/-'--http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/clm1948/-- > >I believe that the <BR> tag will force a line break. >- Sam Don't worry about the <BR> tag. What you want to do is put the codes of <pre> and </pre> around your artwork. <pre> is for preformatted text. It will recognize all the spaces that you need to include in your picture. I don't have any quick answers for any special characters that you may use within the <pre></pre> tags though.
In article <199...@zetnet.co.uk> Jeremy Cooke <jer...@zetnet.co.uk> writes: > Ahhh, I thought this thread died ages ago! It did. Sorry for this addition to it, but I think it'll be useful. > The original post (long time ago now) asked whether it was possible > to put ASCII art in te alt= tag of an image so users not loading > images could have an ASCII version instead. > > The end conclusion was that it is not possible (<pre> works in a few > web browsers in the alt string but not all, <BR> won't work either > 'cause you can't have tags inside tags). When this thread first started, there weren't many browsers supporting the <OBJECT> tag. Now I think the latest versions of the big angry browsers will support it, but I doubt many of the others do. It works something like this: <OBJECT data="snail.gif" type="image/gif"><pre>@_,</pre></OBJECT> So, if your browser knows both what the OBJECT tag means and how to display something of the MIME-type "image/gif", you'll see the picture at the relative URL "face.gif". Otherwise, if your browser doesn't recognize OBJECT or "image/gif"s, it will display the HTML between <OBJECT> and </OBJECT>. That HTML can have whatever formatting tags you want, I believe, including IMGs and other OBJECTs. For the latest version of the spec, check out http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/TR/WD-object.html --brian
On 19 Sep 1996, Harry Samuel Renkert V wrote: > Christine Mackley (clm...@sprynet.com) wrote: > : On 8 Jul 1996 07:07:27 GMT, > : mat...@windmill.com@windmillbbs.com (Matt Granberry) wrote: > : >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include > : >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using > : >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. > : > > : >The best example of this > : >on my pages is at: http://nunic.nu.edu/~dissel/mini.html > : > > : >I don't think it is possible to set this up properly for viewing in > : >Netscape. Even version 2.0 does not view the alternatives properly. > : > > : >Have a great day, > : >Dave. > I use a bit of ASCII art in my page. It's the font in Netscape, right? Well, if you just put <PRE> and </PRE> around the entire ASCII, it will do it in a perfect ASCII font. (I know this works for Internet Explorer, anyways, pretty darned sure for Netscape too) Later, Jeremy Penner ||| (____) (o o) (O O) ---oOOo--(_)--oOOo--------oOOo---(oo)---oOOo--- Jeremy Penner pzp...@freenet.mb.ca http://members.tripod.com/~ArmpitMan/index.html ----------------------------------------------- > >
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Jeremy Penner <pzp...@freenet.mb.ca> writes:
> I use a bit of ASCII art in my page. It's the font in Netscape, right?
> Well, if you just put <PRE> and </PRE> around the entire ASCII, it will
> do it in a perfect ASCII font. (I know this works for Internet Explorer,
> anyways, pretty darned sure for Netscape too)
Not in an image alt tag it doesn't (in Netscape)!
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Jeremy Cooke wrote: > > In message <526cbj$3f...@news.cis.okstate.edu> > rdk...@okway.okstate.edu (Ron King) writes: > > > Don't worry about the <BR> tag. What you want to do is put the codes of > > <pre> and </pre> around your artwork. > > > <pre> is for preformatted text. It will recognize all the spaces that you > > need to include in your picture. I don't have any quick answers for any > > special characters that you may use within the <pre></pre> tags though. > > Ahhh, I thought this thread died ages ago! > > The original post (long time ago now) asked whether it was possible > to put ASCII art in te alt= tag of an image so users not loading > images could have an ASCII version instead. > > The end conclusion was that it is not possible (<pre> works in a few > web browsers in the alt string but not all, <BR> won't work either > 'cause you can't have tags inside tags). > > -- > \|/ > o o > ---------------------------------oOo--U--oOo--------------------------------- > LLLLL LLLLL LLLLL > L L L LL E-Mail : jer...@zetnet.co.uk > L LLLL L > L L L L LL WWW : http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/jcooke/jez.htm > LLL LLLLL LLLLL > >-----------------------------------OO---OO--------------------Jeremy-Cooke--- Hi I was just reading about putting ascii images for alternates to images. What you do is put the image tag inside of a pre tag eg. <pre> <img src="http://www.somesite.com/~somename/someimage.gif" ALT=" some ascii image "> </pre> notice: I have NOT tried this. E-mail me if it works So Long Kennny Keslar
rdk...@okway.okstate.edu (Ron King): > <pre> is for preformatted text. It will recognize all the spaces that you > need to include in your picture. I don't have any quick answers for any > special characters that you may use within the <pre></pre> tags though. Well, I have answer for you here. Take a look at this example: <pre> <a href="http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/">Sven</a> </pre> Put this into an html file (suffix "html" or "htm") look at it with some browser and think about the result! Sven
Jeremy Penner <pzp...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote: >On 19 Sep 1996, Harry Samuel Renkert V wrote: >> Christine Mackley (clm...@sprynet.com) wrote: >> : On 8 Jul 1996 07:07:27 GMT, >> : mat...@windmill.com@windmillbbs.com (Matt Granberry) wrote: >> : >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include >> : >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using >> : >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. >I use a bit of ASCII art in my page. It's the font in Netscape, right? >Well, if you just put <PRE> and </PRE> around the entire ASCII, it will >do it in a perfect ASCII font. (I know this works for Internet Explorer, >anyways, pretty darned sure for Netscape too) It will work in Netscape if the default for "Fix Width Font" wasn't changed, or was changed to another "fixed width" font. The default is 'Courier New' That's when <pre> </pre> will work properly.
Cyber wrote: > > Jeremy Penner <pzp...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote: > > >On 19 Sep 1996, Harry Samuel Renkert V wrote: > > >> Christine Mackley (clm...@sprynet.com) wrote: > >> : On 8 Jul 1996 07:07:27 GMT, > >> : mat...@windmill.com@windmillbbs.com (Matt Granberry) wrote: > >> : >I have this same complaint of Netscape. On my web pages I include > >> : >ascii-art as alternatives for many of the images. This looks great using > >> : >a text mode browser such as LYNX but looks terrible using Netscape. > > >I use a bit of ASCII art in my page. It's the font in Netscape, right? > >Well, if you just put <PRE> and </PRE> around the entire ASCII, it will > >do it in a perfect ASCII font. (I know this works for Internet Explorer, > >anyways, pretty darned sure for Netscape too) > > It will work in Netscape if the default for "Fix Width Font" wasn't changed, > or was changed to another "fixed width" font. The default is 'Courier New' > > That's when <pre> </pre> will work properly. When in doubt, use the <TT> and </TT> tags. They always work. :) -Lucas E. Purcell
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