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Personal note:
I made a referance to aspergers syndrom in the second Glitches and
Geeks: http://podcasts.locnetwork.com/podcasts/glitches2.mp3

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[SNIP] /Tran being a dick .. as usual/

> Personal note:
> I made a referance to aspergers syndrom in the second Glitches and
> Geeks: http://podcasts.locnetwork.com/podcasts/glitches2.mp3


The locnetwork.com site have many pages where the newlines and carriage
returns are missing and many of the links don't work.
One of them being the mentioned Thinkgeek link.

The weirdest thing I've done while asleep , is answer a question my mother
asked me .. only in english (I'm danish and so is my mother)
I had been talking in english using Voip the night before and it seems my mind
didn't switch back when I was done , so I was still thinking and dreaming in
english when I answered.

Geekiest thing i've done is harder.
I own a T-shirt that says  /afk  in a monospace font on the front if that
qualifies.
I have also once at netparty used a NIC to slice my pizza ( the pci cover
plate on it had really sharp edges )

_.-In alt.ascii-art, Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote the following -._
> [SNIP] /Tran being a dick .. as usual/
>
>> Personal note:
>> I made a referance to aspergers syndrom in the second Glitches and
>> Geeks: http://podcasts.locnetwork.com/podcasts/glitches2.mp3
>
>
> The locnetwork.com site have many pages where the newlines and carriage
> returns are missing and many of the links don't work.
> One of them being the mentioned Thinkgeek link.

The Nine is busy rebuilding his site so a few things are out of wack
right now.  But the link I gave should be functioning.  .... I just
checked it and it is.

> The weirdest thing I've done while asleep , is answer a question my mother
> asked me .. only in english (I'm danish and so is my mother)
> I had been talking in english using Voip the night before and it seems my mind
> didn't switch back when I was done , so I was still thinking and dreaming in
> english when I answered.

That would be odd but not unheard of.  Now if you were speaking in
Farsi that would be weird.

> Geekiest thing i've done is harder.
> I own a T-shirt that says  /afk  in a monospace font on the front if that
> qualifies.
> I have also once at netparty used a NIC to slice my pizza ( the pci cover
> plate on it had really sharp edges )

You may be onto a money makeing idea there.  Maybe one of the round
PCB's that Make uses could be converted into a geek pizza slicer.

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In article <GKMdh.2130$W66...@newsfe15.lga>, Faux_Pseudo wrote:
> You may be onto a money makeing idea there.  Maybe one of the round
> PCB's that Make uses could be converted into a geek pizza slicer.
>
       By the time they finish manufacture, PCBs should have been 
washed clean of manufacturing chemicals (which would otherwise be a 
source of corrosion to the completed product). But what you're likely 
to get for a job like this is stuff that's failed some test part-way 
through the manufacturing process. So they're unlikely to have been 
properly cleaned before going into the "sell to geeks or send for 
landfill" bin.
       CJ had said
> > ( the pci cover
> > plate on it had really sharp edges )
>
       That parses to me as the metal edge of the exterior plate, not 
the circuit board. And having gashed my knuckles inside enough computer 
cases, that doesn't surprise me.
       I'm just trying to think what weird things I've used in a "pizza 
slicer" mode before - depressingly boring I'm afraid. Closest I can get 
is using the blade of a felling axe to eat a roast potato from (and 
yes, I'd made an appetite for the tattie by using the felling axe for 
felling). 
       
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 Written at Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:40 GMT, but posted later.

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

> [SNIP] /Tran being a dick .. as usual/

Tran is not a dick. Tran is a sage, a philosopher, and dare I say a genius.
Show some respect.

> Geekiest thing i've done is harder.
> I own a T-shirt that says  /afk  in a monospace font on the front if that
> qualifies.

That's pretty geeky alright. I'll bet it goes great with a 'Virgin for Life'
belt buckle.

> I have also once at netparty used a NIC to slice my pizza ( the pci cover
> plate on it had really sharp edges )

Elementary electronics lesson #23

The components on a PCB (NICs included) are attached using a material
called 'solder'. (Say it with me, sahhhhhh-derrrrrr) Solder is usually made
of a mixture of lead and tin. Tin is relatively harmless. Lead, however, is
known to be highly toxic. It causes a condition known as 'lead poisoning',
which can lead to anemia and schizophrenia. It is therefore a really
fucking stupid idea to expose it to your food. Remind me not to attend any
of your parties. On the other hand, this does explain a few things. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

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Iconoclast wrote:
> Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
> 
>> [SNIP] /Tran being a dick .. as usual/
> 
> Tran is not a dick. Tran is a sage, a philosopher, and dare I say a genius.
> Show some respect.

Nope .. He's a dick.
The best that could be said about him is that he's creative and takes being a
dick to new heights (or lows).
But he's still a dick.

>> Geekiest thing i've done is harder.
>> I own a T-shirt that says  /afk  in a monospace font on the front if that
>> qualifies.
> 
> That's pretty geeky alright. I'll bet it goes great with a 'Virgin for Life'
> belt buckle.

Keep yours , I'm not buying.
It's neither funny or cool .. and besides I don't qualify.

>> I have also once at netparty used a NIC to slice my pizza ( the pci cover
>> plate on it had really sharp edges )
> 
> Elementary electronics lesson #23
> 
> The components on a PCB (NICs included) are attached using a material
> called 'solder'. (Say it with me, sahhhhhh-derrrrrr) Solder is usually made
> of a mixture of lead and tin. Tin is relatively harmless. Lead, however, is
> known to be highly toxic. It causes a condition known as 'lead poisoning',
> which can lead to anemia and schizophrenia. It is therefore a really
> fucking stupid idea to expose it to your food. Remind me not to attend any
> of your parties. On the other hand, this does explain a few things. 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

Know your PCB's from your PCI cover plates.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pci%20cover%20plate

>> You may be onto a money makeing idea there.  Maybe one of the round
>> PCB's that Make uses could be converted into a geek pizza slicer.

> By the time they finish manufacture, PCBs should have been 
> washed clean of manufacturing chemicals (which would otherwise be a 
> source of corrosion to the completed product). But what you're likely 
> to get for a job like this is stuff that's failed some test part-way 
> through the manufacturing process. So they're unlikely to have been 
> properly cleaned before going into the "sell to geeks or send for 
> landfill" bin.

Yeah , PCBs would be lousy for that job.
You can use harddrive platters as cutting wheels though if you sharpen the edges.
The platters from a notebook drive are probably best for this as 3� inch
cutting wheels would be impractical but 2� inch ones would be just right.

Something I'd really love to find new and creative uses for, is discarded
wafers :)
I don't know if they are strong enough to be used as cutting wheels , but the
bigger ones would look nice on my wall as modern art and the smaller ones
would make great coasters.
You could probably also use them to put hot pans and pots on, when you're
setting the table.

> CJ had said
>>> ( the pci cover
>>> plate on it had really sharp edges )
>        That parses to me as the metal edge of the exterior plate, not 
> the circuit board. And having gashed my knuckles inside enough computer 
> cases, that doesn't surprise me.

You're correct.
And I've also cut myself many times working with pc's so that's probably how I
got the idea in the first place.

> I'm just trying to think what weird things I've used in a "pizza 
> slicer" mode before - depressingly boring I'm afraid. Closest I can get 
> is using the blade of a felling axe to eat a roast potato from (and 
> yes, I'd made an appetite for the tattie by using the felling axe for 
> felling). 

Once on a trainride home from Austria , my mother and I (and the 3 other
occupants in our compartment) used a big screwdriver to butter our bread.

You can use many geeky things to butter bread .. CD's come to mind.

Speaking of geeky things .. One of my Christmas decorations that I'm very fond
of is a tree made out of copper wire.
I can take a photo of it, if you'd like to see it.
Or maybe do a ascii-art of it.

_.-In alt.ascii-art, Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote the following -._
> Iconoclast wrote:
>> Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
>> 
>>> [SNIP] /Tran being a dick .. as usual/
>> 
>> Tran is not a dick. Tran is a sage, a philosopher, and dare I say a genius.
>> Show some respect.
>
> Nope .. He's a dick.
> The best that could be said about him is that he's creative and takes being a
> dick to new heights (or lows).
> But he's still a dick.

s/\(dick\)/funny \1/

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Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

>>> I have also once at netparty used a NIC to slice my pizza ( the pci
>>> cover plate on it had really sharp edges )
> Know your PCB's from your PCI cover plates.
> http://www.google.com/search?q=pci%20cover%20plate

You said you used a NIC, which gives the impression that the PCB was still
attached to the cover plate. After all, a cover plate alone does not a
network card make. It's still risky behavior, and while it may be a small
risk, why take that chance? You were not only putting your own health in
jeopardy, but everyone at the party as well. A proper host does not serve
his guests contaminated pizza. You didn't happen to put mercury in their
drinks while you were at it, did you?

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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

In article <Ao1eh.5745$hI....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, Iconoclast wrote:
> The components on a PCB (NICs included) are attached using a material
> called 'solder'. (Say it with me, sahhhhhh-derrrrrr) Solder is usually made
> of a mixture of lead and tin.
>
       15 years ago it became illegal to use lead-based solder on plumbing 
connections in Europe (where both CJ and I live) ; About 10 years ago the 
sale of lead-based plumbing solders became an offence (after a long warning 
period to allow the supply chain to replace lead-based solder with lead-free 
solder.
       About 5 years ago the rules on hazardous materials were extended to 
cover all electronic goods ("SWEE", Specified Waste Electronic Equipment, if 
I remember correctly). These days, no-one is allowed to sell electronic goods 
made using lead-based solders. The sale of lead-based glass in (for example) 
CRTs is also being leant on severely, to the extent that now the seller of 
such machines is responsible for providing disposal facilities for it. What a 
surprise - existing inventory is being dumped ASAP and LCD screens are much 
more affordable.
       
-- 
 Aidan in Scotland
 Written at Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:24 GMT, but posted later.

Aidan Karley wrote:
> In article <Ao1eh.5745$hI....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, Iconoclast wrote:
>> The components on a PCB (NICs included) are attached using a material
>> called 'solder'. (Say it with me, sahhhhhh-derrrrrr) Solder is usually made
>> of a mixture of lead and tin.
>>
>        15 years ago it became illegal to use lead-based solder on plumbing 
> connections in Europe (where both CJ and I live) ; About 10 years ago the 
> sale of lead-based plumbing solders became an offence (after a long warning 
> period to allow the supply chain to replace lead-based solder with lead-free 
> solder.
>        About 5 years ago the rules on hazardous materials were extended to 
> cover all electronic goods ("SWEE", Specified Waste Electronic Equipment, if 
> I remember correctly). These days, no-one is allowed to sell electronic goods 
> made using lead-based solders. The sale of lead-based glass in (for example) 
> CRTs is also being leant on severely, to the extent that now the seller of 
> such machines is responsible for providing disposal facilities for it. What a 
> surprise - existing inventory is being dumped ASAP and LCD screens are much 
> more affordable.

All true .. besides it's perfectly possible to cut pizza without dipping the
PCB part in the food.
And if that worries you , you can use a plain pci cover plate (without a PCB).
Or carry a knife for this purpose ( although this isn't legal in my country )

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

> PCB). Or carry a knife for this purpose ( although this isn't legal in my
> country )

Perhaps it's time to find a new country. I can't imagine not being allowed
to carry a knife. 

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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

* Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
> Aidan Karley wrote:
>> In article <Ao1eh.5745$hI....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, Iconoclast wrote:
>>> The components on a PCB (NICs included) are attached using a material
>>> called 'solder'. (Say it with me, sahhhhhh-derrrrrr) Solder is usually made
>>> of a mixture of lead and tin.
>>>
>>        15 years ago it became illegal to use lead-based solder on plumbing 
>> connections in Europe (where both CJ and I live) ; About 10 years ago the 
>> sale of lead-based plumbing solders became an offence (after a long warning 
>> period to allow the supply chain to replace lead-based solder with lead-free 
>> solder.
>>        About 5 years ago the rules on hazardous materials were extended to 
>> cover all electronic goods ("SWEE", Specified Waste Electronic Equipment, if 
>> I remember correctly). These days, no-one is allowed to sell electronic goods 
>> made using lead-based solders. The sale of lead-based glass in (for example) 
>> CRTs is also being leant on severely, to the extent that now the seller of 
>> such machines is responsible for providing disposal facilities for it. What a 
>> surprise - existing inventory is being dumped ASAP and LCD screens are much 
>> more affordable.
>
> All true .. besides it's perfectly possible to cut pizza without dipping the
> PCB part in the food.
> And if that worries you , you can use a plain pci cover plate (without a PCB).
> Or carry a knife for this purpose ( although this isn't legal in my country )

In Australia our pizzas are sold pre-cut.  Sometimes the cheese
melts back over the cut, but we are taught from a young age that
it is still possible to rip the pieces apart despite the strong
bond the cheese has across the joint.  Unless we Aussies are bred
stronger than other countries?

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>> PCB). Or carry a knife for this purpose ( although this isn't legal in my
>> country )

> Perhaps it's time to find a new country. I can't imagine not being allowed
> to carry a knife. 

It's fairly new law but so far it's working great.
The idea was to reduce the amount of stabbings that occur when hoodlums bring
weapons when they go clubbing (and elsewhere).

Previously only "dangerous" knives (knives with long blades) were outlawed ,
until someone finally realized that all knives can be used to stab and kill
someone.

Now the police can take action if someone brings a weapon or a tools that
could be used as such to a public place where it clearly does not belong.
It's still perfectly legal to bring a fishing knife , when you go fishing ,
but bring the same knife with you when you go out on the town , and you might
end up having to explain to the police what legal purpose you intended to use
that for.
So carrying around a knife at all times, "just in case you need it" , would be
a bad idea.

Of course since it's the police that decide whether or not to bring you in for
  not having a good reason for bringing a knife or sharp tool, you have to be
able to trust the police not to abuse this power.
Fortunately the danish police are reasonable and usually friendly people.

I feel a little safer now knowing that something can be done against the
people that used to bring weapons and then went looking for trouble.

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

>It's fairly new law but so far it's working great.
<snip>
>Previously only "dangerous" knives (knives with long blades) were outlawed ,
>until someone finally realized that all knives can be used to stab and kill
>someone.
<snip>
>I feel a little safer now knowing that something can be done against the
>people that used to bring weapons and then went looking for trouble.

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 little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
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 "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
 neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make
 things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they
 serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed
 man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
 -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria

 > In Australia our pizzas are sold pre-cut.  Sometimes the cheese
> melts back over the cut, but we are taught from a young age that
> it is still possible to rip the pieces apart despite the strong
> bond the cheese has across the joint.  Unless we Aussies are bred
> stronger than other countries?

You australians have it easy..
Very places I know of, slice the pizza for you and even then you have to
remember to ask for them to do so.
And sometimes you ask them to do so , pick it up and come home to find that
they didn't .. or you got something completely different from what you ordered.
This might be because a lot of the people who make and sell pizza don't
understand the language very well. A large number of them seem to be
immigrants from Turkey for some reason.

This might also explain some of the very weird choices of toppings they have
on the menu sometimes.
A pizza with steak and gravy ?
A pizza with winegums ?
A "vegetarian" pizza .. with meat ?
A pizza with fries ... as a topping ??

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:07:23 -0500, Sharky <sha...@hellsgates.cor>
wrote:

>  "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>  neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make
>  things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they
>  serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed
>  man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
>  -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria

*cough*bullshit*cough*. The interesting thing is that Denmark is one
of the most free countries in the world while at the same time having
one of the lowest levels of violence - 60 murders a year or
thereabouts for 5.5 million citizens is not too shabby. Traffic
accidents involving bicycles cause more deaths than that, I think. We
largely trust our government, civil service and fellow citizens
(within limits - we're not totally na�ve), there's no corruption to
speak of (try to bribe a civil servant and you're likely to end up in
jail) and we generally feel safe, at home and in public. And we're
mostly unarmed. Whereas the U.S. of A has a large proportion of the
population incarcerated, a large number of murders and other violent
crimes (to be fair, some areas are harder hit than others - I'm sure
there are sedate parts of the nation too), a low level of trust in the
government, a large proportion of the worlds lawyers and a
constitutionally protected right to bear arms. Somehow this seems
significant. Perhaps if people are not armed and lawyers do not
abound, differences must be resolved in a civilized way...? ;-)

But all that aside, I'd much rather have an environment without
weapons everywhere - a fight without weapons typically ends up with
reversible damage, whereas if everybody is armed you have to shoot
first and ask later if you want to survive the experience. Not to
mention accidents with firearms, one of the most significant sources
of shooting deaths - no weapons means no accidents means no dead
children.

So forgive us for not buying into that slightly medieval concept. On
balance it looks like our way of doing business is working out OK for
us.

Regards,
Morten

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Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

> It's fairly new law but so far it's working great.
> The idea was to reduce the amount of stabbings that occur when hoodlums
> bring weapons when they go clubbing (and elsewhere).
> 
> Previously only "dangerous" knives (knives with long blades) were outlawed
> , until someone finally realized that all knives can be used to stab and
> kill someone.
> 
> Now the police can take action if someone brings a weapon or a tools that
> could be used as such to a public place where it clearly does not belong.
> It's still perfectly legal to bring a fishing knife , when you go fishing
> , but bring the same knife with you when you go out on the town , and you
> might end up having to explain to the police what legal purpose you
> intended to use that for.
> So carrying around a knife at all times, "just in case you need it" ,
> would be a bad idea.
> 
> Of course since it's the police that decide whether or not to bring you in
> for
>   not having a good reason for bringing a knife or sharp tool, you have to
>   be
> able to trust the police not to abuse this power.
> Fortunately the danish police are reasonable and usually friendly people.
> 
> I feel a little safer now knowing that something can be done against the
> people that used to bring weapons and then went looking for trouble.

I can't imagine what my life would be like if I wasn't allowed to carry my
swiss army knife. I use it all the time, decorking wine bottles, turning
screws, snipping hangnails. Stabbings aren't really that big of a deal in
my little corner of the world, every citizen can carry a handgun if they
get a permit for it, this is a good deterant to crime. Nobody's going to
try and rob you with a knife if there's a chance they could get shot.
Still, I think the Dutch have the best system. Make everything legal, and
there will be no criminals. When I was in Amsterdam I didn't see a single
cop, nor did I see any crime. Very nice for such a large city. Their annual
police budget must be like 14 euros.

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"Patriotism is supporting your country all the
time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

Morten wrote:

> But all that aside, I'd much rather have an environment without
> weapons everywhere - a fight without weapons typically ends up with
> reversible damage, whereas if everybody is armed you have to shoot
> first and ask later if you want to survive the experience. Not to
> mention accidents with firearms, one of the most significant sources
> of shooting deaths - no weapons means no accidents means no dead
> children.

The 2nd amendment in the US was originally intended so that we would be
ready to form a guerrilla militia in case of invasion. The European
countries would do well to remember this, especially since the unfortunate
events of the last century (read: Hitler) are still fresh on some peoples
minds. I've heard there is a Scandinavian country, I don't remember which
one but I believe it may be Sweden, where it's law that every household
must have at least one gun. I think that's a good policy. If someone tries
to invade Sweden they're gonna have one hell of a fight on their hands. 

-- 
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the
time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

_.-In alt.ascii-art, Iconoclast wrote the following -._
> Morten wrote:
>
>> But all that aside, I'd much rather have an environment without
>> weapons everywhere - a fight without weapons typically ends up with
>> reversible damage, whereas if everybody is armed you have to shoot
>> first and ask later if you want to survive the experience. Not to
>> mention accidents with firearms, one of the most significant sources
>> of shooting deaths - no weapons means no accidents means no dead
>> children.
>
> The 2nd amendment in the US was originally intended so that we would be
> ready to form a guerrilla militia in case of invasion.

That is a gross misstatement.  A guerrilla militia is by definition
not 'well regulated militia'.  You are confusing what you want the
second amendment to say with what it actually says.

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Faux_Pseudo wrote:

> 
> That is a gross misstatement.  A guerrilla militia is by definition
> not 'well regulated militia'.  You are confusing what you want the
> second amendment to say with what it actually says.
> 

Regulated or unregulated, the revolutionary war was fought by men who
        1) provided their own weapons
        2) used guerrilla tactics
We can argue semantics all day long, but I stand by my statement.

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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

_.-In alt.ascii-art, Iconoclast wrote the following -._
> Faux_Pseudo wrote:
>
>> 
>> That is a gross misstatement.  A guerrilla militia is by definition
>> not 'well regulated militia'.  You are confusing what you want the
>> second amendment to say with what it actually says.
>> 
>
> Regulated or unregulated, the revolutionary war was fought by men who
>         1) provided their own weapons
>         2) used guerrilla tactics
> We can argue semantics all day long, but I stand by my statement.

You statements about the Revolutionary War are correct but that
doesn't change the wording of the second amendment.  Guerrilla are by
definition not 'well regulated'.

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> The 2nd amendment in the US was originally intended so that we would be
> ready to form a guerrilla militia in case of invasion. The European
> countries would do well to remember this, especially since the unfortunate
> events of the last century (read: Hitler) are still fresh on some peoples
> minds.

I think WW2 will remain fresh in peoples mind for a long time still ..
especially in the minds of Europeans.
We still remember how it took just one charismatic politician could turn a
country comprised mostly of good people into one of the most evil war machines
in history.
Hitler and the nazi party did this, by controlling the media , by slowly
taking away peoples rights , by covertly removing "enemies of the state"
without trial, by focusing people on internal and external "threats", and by
spurring people to join the army and national guard, preparing the nation for war.

The American people would do well to remember this.

> I've heard there is a Scandinavian country, I don't remember which
> one but I believe it may be Sweden, where it's law that every household
> must have at least one gun. I think that's a good policy. If someone tries
> to invade Sweden they're gonna have one hell of a fight on their hands.

You either heard wrong or someone told you a tall tale.
All Scandinavian countries require permits to own a gun.

In article <IMFeh.1700$Gr2...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, Iconoclast wrote:
> > PCB). Or carry a knife for this purpose ( although this isn't legal in my
> > country )
> 
> Perhaps it's time to find a new country. I can't imagine not being allowed
> to carry a knife.
>
       Never had a knife waved into your face for being from the wrong 
country, and chatting up the wrong girl in the wrong bar? Thought not, some 
how. (Which reminds me - some 20 years later, I need to make a lunch date 
with said girl to deliver her 40th birthday present.)
       
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 Aidan in Scotland
 Written at Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:41 GMT, but posted later.

In article <457afef1$0$15889$edf...@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, Christian 'CeeJay' 
Jensen wrote:
> And if that worries you , you can use a plain pci cover plate (without a PCB).
> Or carry a knife for this purpose ( although this isn't legal in my country )
>
       If the PCI cover plate is large enough and sharp enough to cut pizza, 
then it's probably large enough and sharp enough to be considered a knife.
       I really must try to think of an excuse to take a wire-stripping knife 
out to a rig some time - perhaps for trimming plastic pneumatic plumbing - so 
that I can sit through the incredibly interesting hour of video inductions 
(again), and get my filthy paws onto a pair of Kevlar gloves for use with a 
knife. I can see them being nice tools.
       
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 Aidan in Scotland
 Written at Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:38 GMT, but posted later.

In article <457b569a$0$15897$edf...@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, Christian 'CeeJay' 
Jensen wrote:
> It's still perfectly legal to bring a fishing knife , when you go fishing ,
> but bring the same knife with you when you go out on the town , and you might
> end up having to explain to the police what legal purpose you intended to use
> that for.
> So carrying around a knife at all times, "just in case you need it" , would be
> a bad idea.
>
       Essentially the same laws that we've got in Scotland.
       I have, on occasions, spent the day up in the hills with a substantial 
knife in my climbing harness and an ice axe on my belt, then got back to town, 
had a few beers with the boys, gone to a late night bar and had "discussions" 
with PC Plod on leaving. Carrying a number of decidedly nasty edged weapons, 
yes. Got an adequate reason for carrying them, yes. Causing any trouble with 
them (apart from generally cluttering up the bar), no. Nothing to see here, move 
along.
       Someone being detained and searched for D+D (drunk and disorderly) or 
Breach of the Peace and carrying a kitchen knife? 3 months and a criminal 
record.
       
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 Aidan in Scotland
 Written at Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:43 GMT, but posted later.

In article <xf_eh.4492$Ga1...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, Iconoclast wrote:
> The 2nd amendment in the US was originally intended so that we would be
> ready to form a guerrilla militia in case of invasion.
>
       Strange, I thought it was in the context of rebellion against your 
lawful superiors (NB: "lawful", not "moral") and a significant civil war 
between those who were Loyalist and those who were Rebel. (Sorry, had you 
forgotten about the Loyalists? or the civil war?) And the amendment in 
question puts the formation of "a well-regulated militia" as being a 
necessary prerequisite to the holding of arms by "the people". <SIGH>

> I've heard there is a Scandinavian country, I don't remember which
> one but I believe it may be Sweden, where it's law that every household
> must have at least one gun. I think that's a good policy. If someone tries
> to invade Sweden they're gonna have one hell of a fight on their hands.
>
       It's Switzerland, I think you'll find. Which is not a Scandanavian 
country. In fact, many people are surprised to find how anomalous a 
country Switzerland is, compared to the rest of Europe. (Certainly my 
mother was surprised when visiting there in the 1950s to discover that women 
didn't have the vote.)
       
       Snipping from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_suffrage
> # 1921
>     * Lithuania 
>     * Romania (with restrictions)
>     * Sweden 
[SNIP]
> # 1940
>     * Quebec becomes final Canadian province to give female suffrage
[SNIP]
> # 1948
>     * United Nations The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 
> adopted by the UN includes Article 21: The will of the people shall 
> be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be 
> expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal 
> and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent 
> free voting procedures.
>     * Belgium
>     * Israel (same year of independence)
>     * Iraq
>     * Italy
>     * South Korea
>     * Niger
>     * Surinam
[SNIP]
> # 1952
>     * United Nations enacts Covenant on Political Rights of Women
>     * Bolivia
>     * Greece
>     * Lebanon
[SNIP]
> # 1970
>     * Yemen
> # 1971
>     * Switzerland (on the federal level; introduced on the 
> Cantonal (state) level from 1958-1990)
[SNIP]
> # 1984
>     * Liechtenstein
> # 1986
>     * Central African Republic
> # 1990
>     * Samoa
>     * Switzerland (the Canton of Appenzell Innerrhoden 
> is forced by the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland to accept 
> women's suffrage)
> # 1994
>     * Kazakhstan
>     * South Africa: franchise extended to black men and women
>
       Of course, Switzerland and Sweden came to separate and distinct
ways of avoiding warfare when Hitler was on the go. Of the two, I notice 
that the Swedish solution has had fewer long-term ramifications.
       I also notice that the popular presence of hunting weaponry 
throughout Central Europe, and the huge numbers of arms left over from 
World War 1 were really effective too. (I don't know about your country, 
but it's a rare month that goes by without the local fishermen bringing 
in a load of WW1/ WW2 munitions to the harbour ; caches of grenades, 
phosphorus bombs and dynamite from the "Home Guard" are a monthly occurrence 
for builders in my home town, resulting in a "blues and twos" visit from 
the bomb squad.) 
       
       Anyway, no point in wasting electrons on this subject. You'll 
obviously remain happy to have one of the highest murder rates in the 
world in your home country, and you're unlikely to change your opinion 
until you have a personal tragedy. I pity your friends, family and countrymen.

-- 
 Aidan in Scotland
 Written at Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:05 GMT, but posted later.

> I can't imagine what my life would be like if I wasn't allowed to carry my
> swiss army knife. I use it all the time, decorking wine bottles, turning
> screws, snipping hangnails.

You could do this in Denmark too , just keep the knife at home.

> Stabbings aren't really that big of a deal in
> my little corner of the world..

Where is that ?

> Nobody's going to
> try and rob you with a knife if there's a chance they could get shot.

No of course not .. that would be stupid!
They are going to rob you with a gun or an assault rifle!

"He brings a knife ? - You bring a gun.
"He brings a gun ? - You bring a rocket launcher !"

Nobody argues that the world would be a safer place if everybody had nukes, so
why do some people argue that the world would be safer if everybody had guns ?

> Still, I think the Dutch have the best system. Make everything legal, and
> there will be no criminals.

The Dutch have no such system.

> When I was in Amsterdam I didn't see a single
> cop, nor did I see any crime. Very nice for such a large city.

Just because you didn't see any cops or crime , doesn't mean that none exist.

I haven't seen a single crime this entire year (apart from traffic violations)
and I rarely see any cops.

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

>> I can't imagine what my life would be like if I wasn't allowed to carry
>> my swiss army knife. I use it all the time, decorking wine bottles,
>> turning screws, snipping hangnails.
> 
> You could do this in Denmark too , just keep the knife at home.

The knife is an integral part of the device, this is why it is referred to
as a swiss army /knife/. Denmark seems to have the same attitude as my old
high school, 'if it could possibly be used as a weapon, it must be
considered a weapon'. Responsible people end up getting punished by having
their tools taken away. 
 
> No of course not .. that would be stupid!
> They are going to rob you with a gun or an assault rifle!

I've never heard of a mugging by assault rifle. Handguns, sure, sometimes,
but the victim is usually unarmed. 
 
> "He brings a knife ? - You bring a gun.
> "He brings a gun ? - You bring a rocket launcher !"
> 
> Nobody argues that the world would be a safer place if everybody had
> nukes, so why do some people argue that the world would be safer if
> everybody had guns ?

The world /would/ be a safer place if everyone had nukes. Where were you
during the cold war? Ever heard of mutually assured destruction? Nothing
keeps humans in line better than the threat of death.

>> Still, I think the Dutch have the best system. Make everything legal, and
>> there will be no criminals.
> 
> The Dutch have no such system.

The Dutch don't waste their time putting people in jail for indulging in
vices. The vast majority of prisoners in the US are in jail for drug
offenses, not violent crime. The dutch have the right idea, let people do
their thing and only arrest the ones who are actually harming someone. 

> Just because you didn't see any cops or crime , doesn't mean that none
> exist.

Sure, crime exists everywhere, but it's obviously not as prevalent as
somewhere like, say, New York. Walk the streets of NYC for a few hours, you
will see thousands of cops and at least one person getting arrested. Try
walking the streets at 2am, see how far you get. I was able to walk through
the slums of Amsterdam by myself at all hours of the night, and no one
other than a few drug dealers bothered me. That's what I call a safe city. 


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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

Aidan Karley wrote:

>        Anyway, no point in wasting electrons on this subject. You'll
> obviously remain happy to have one of the highest murder rates in the
> world in your home country, and you're unlikely to change your opinion
> until you have a personal tragedy. I pity your friends, family and
> countrymen.

What has this country come to if we're being pitied by the fucking scots?

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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

Aidan Karley wrote:

>        Never had a knife waved into your face for being from the wrong
> country, and chatting up the wrong girl in the wrong bar? Thought not,
> some how. (Which reminds me - some 20 years later, I need to make a lunch
> date with said girl to deliver her 40th birthday present.)

Never. I drink at a real dive, too, but never had an issue.         

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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:

> I think WW2 will remain fresh in peoples mind for a long time still ..
> especially in the minds of Europeans.
> We still remember how it took just one charismatic politician could turn a
> country comprised mostly of good people into one of the most evil war
> machines in history.
> Hitler and the nazi party did this, by controlling the media , by slowly
> taking away peoples rights , by covertly removing "enemies of the state"
> without trial, by focusing people on internal and external "threats", and
> by spurring people to join the army and national guard, preparing the
> nation for war.
> 
> The American people would do well to remember this.

We're working on it. I may have my differences of opinion with the europeans
about gun control, but when it comes to Bush and his ilk I think we're all
on the same page. Look on the bright side, if he goes too far, the American
people are well enough armed to do something about it. 

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time and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

Faux_Pseudo wrote:

>> Regulated or unregulated, the revolutionary war was fought by men who
>>         1) provided their own weapons
>>         2) used guerrilla tactics
>> We can argue semantics all day long, but I stand by my statement.
> 
> You statements about the Revolutionary War are correct but that
> doesn't change the wording of the second amendment.  Guerrilla are by
> definition not 'well regulated'.

Neither are militias, depending on what definition you want to look at.

Militia (from dictionary.com)
1.      a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out
periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2.      a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3.      all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4.      a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically
regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed
interference of the federal government.

#3 is my favorite. #2 is probably closest to the founder's intentions;
keeping up the minuteman style militias that won us the war. 

This is a pointless argument anyway. Concentrating on the militia statement
is liberal propaganda designed to make people forget the rest of the
amendment

"the right of /the people/ to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

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In article <457deab7$0$15890$edf...@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, 
Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
> Hitler and the nazi party did this, by controlling the media 
> , by slowly
> taking away peoples rights , by covertly removing "enemies of 
> the state"
> without trial, by focusing people on internal and external 
> "threats", and by
> spurring people to join the army and national guard, 
> preparing the nation for war.
>
       Sorry CJ, your spelling of "Bush Jr." is incorrect. I'm 
sure that you meant to spell it "Austrian corporal" and it just 
came out wrong.
       
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 Aidan in Scotland
 Written at Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:18 GMT, but posted later.

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
> You can use many geeky things to butter bread .. CD's come to mind.

Particularly AOL CD's:  they're plentiful, cheap, and otherwise useless.

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
>> I've heard there is a Scandinavian country, I don't remember which
>> one but I believe it may be Sweden, where it's law that every household
>> must have at least one gun. I think that's a good policy. If someone tries
>> to invade Sweden they're gonna have one hell of a fight on their hands.
> 
> You either heard wrong or someone told you a tall tale.
> All Scandinavian countries require permits to own a gun.
> 

Actually, I believe the country in question is Switzerland,
the world's oldest democracy.  One Man, One Gun, One Vote:
the operating formula for a strong democracy.  (Of course,
"Man" should be "Person"; and "Gun" should be "Effective Weapon"
with the understanding that it is generally available for
service to the state - as well as in protection of the rights
of the individual within the state.)

As I recall (which may well be incorrectly), the general
theory is that every household is always available to aid
in the national defense.  I think that the source I heard
this from indicated that Switzerland had one of the lowest
instances of home-invasion of any country in the world,
more or less as a side-effect of every household being
known to possess a military weapon, and training to use it.

_.-In alt.ascii-art, TLR wrote the following -._
> Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
>> You can use many geeky things to butter bread .. CD's come to mind.
>
> Particularly AOL CD's:  they're plentiful, cheap, and otherwise useless.

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=438854&displaytype=printable
http://www.redferret.net/?p=6790
http://www.ultimatechaos.com/contest/aolcd/
http://www.ultimatechaos.com/contest/aolcd/index3.html
http://www.ultimatechaos.com/contest/aolcd/index2.html

I have used them as small seeding pots.  Put them over a small cat
food can and back at 300 in the oven until it softens and folds around
the can.  

I have used them as mirrors in the back of a hamster wheel.
I am thinking about making a pick gaurd for one of my guitars and some
AOL cds might come in handy for that.

... 

That forth link gives me an idea.  I just go one of these:
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_metropolitan_2004.php
It even has he same gay blue and white flower paint.
How cool would it be to do the CD scales like we see in that 4th link? 

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