Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 23 Aug 1997.
Copyright Notice, blah blah blah
alt.ascii-art
· 11 messages · 23 Aug 1997 - 1 Sep 1997
All these threads regarding copyright-- calling for legal action -- making
ASCII art 'text art plus' -- and arguing about hi-low tech and who's website
is better, blah, blah, blah-- are making me feel nauseated.
ASCII art was fun when I first started lurking close to 2 years ago... People
enjoyed making the pictures and enjoyed sharing them. Those who chose
not to, didn't. People on the newsgroup supported one another and built
upon other's ideas.... it wasn't considered "stealing"... It was fun-
amusement--
(Who remember the tornado postings?) :)
No one was that concerned about copyrights-- although we did keep initials
with all the ASCII artwork.
Seriously, does anyone really believe that ASCII art will make big business?
Personally, I've made a little money creating specialized sigs-- but it
certainly
will not support my family! I can't see how ASCII cartoons will make it
anywhere
except in e-zines... (and they don't pay for submissions) So what's the big
deal? Can't we make this fun again without people bitching?
Does anyone see it from this viewpoint as well?
-joan
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Spunk1111 wrote:
> Does anyone see it from this viewpoint as well?
Sure I do.
There's no way to fight the 'big usenet evil'
face to face (spamming, flame wars or whatever you name).
My personal technique against flame wars:
1. Ignore it (ie don't read the thread any more)
Don't get involved but remember the names!
2. Don't stop being nice and happy
3. If it gets to stupid : mail the idiots
A friendly atmospehre is where flame wars die.
And BTW: Whenever someone tells you don't do this
or that. I think it's very reasonable to do exactely
_this_ and _that_.
" Disobey!
Defy!
Take your own time!
Fly! " (Anne Clarck)
:)
Andreas
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Spunk1111 (spu...@aol.com) wrote: > All these threads regarding copyright-- calling for legal action - > - making ASCII art 'text art plus' -- and arguing about hi-low > tech and who's website is better, blah, blah, blah-- are making me > feel nauseated. These threads come around here periodically...you are simply just witnessing the latest outbreak. > ASCII art was fun when I first started lurking close to 2 years > ago... People enjoyed making the pictures and enjoyed sharing > them. Those who chose not to, didn't. People on the newsgroup > supported one another and built upon other's ideas.... it wasn't > considered "stealing"... > It was fun-amusement-- Exactly. And that's how I still view alt.ascii-art after some 4 years of its existence. Of my 65 newsgroups aa-a is the one that gives me greatest enjoyment...I skip the nasties where possible. I think this posting of yours indicates that you are showing signs of burn-out following a prolific output as an ascii-artist who has earned many accolades and undoubtedly would be ranked as the most prolific of all ascii-artists until now. Other people have burnt out, e.g. Rowan Crawford ( Row ); Suzy Oviatt; Normand Veilleux; Bob Allison to name a few. All were acclaimed as outstanding contributors. Bob Allison even got his own newsgroup created "alt.fan.scarecrow" such was the adulation of Scarecrow at the time of creation of the moderated newsgroup "rec.arts.ascii". Bob Allison could do no wrong and walked on water. > (Who remember the tornado postings?) :) > No one was that concerned about copyrights-- although we did keep > initials with all the ASCII artwork. I remember the tornado. I did a little diddle to the picture at one stage. But...I also remember the Pete Casso bashing which I did not enjoy :-( nor did I participate therein or comment until someone called for an end to the bashing...and then...I posted this to celebrate the end to hostilities... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: _-_-/ , ,, (_/ || ' || _ _ (_ --_ =||= _-_ \\ \\/\\ || < \, / \\ _-_ ,._-_, --_ ) || || \\ || || || || /-|| || || || \\ || _, )) || ||/ || || || || (( || || || ||/ || (-_-_-`` \\, \\,/ \\ \\ \\ \\ \/\\ \\_|| \\,/ \\, /\\ \\ ( \\_// __ ___ __ __ / __ |\ | |_ | | _/ |_ /\ | /\ |\ | | \ (_ | \| |__ |/\| /__ |__ /--\ |__ /--\ | \| |__/ __) .sssssssss. .sssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss @@sssssssssssssssssssssss@ss |s@@@@sssssssssssssss@@@@s|s _______|sssss@@@@@sssss@@@@@sssss|s / sssssssss@sssss@sssssssss|s / .------+.ssssssss@sssss@ssssssss.| / / |...sssssss@sss@sssssss...| | | |.......sss@sss@ssss......| | | |..........s@ss@sss.......| | | |...........@ss@..........| \ \ |............ss@..........| \ '------+...........ss@...........| \________ .........................| |.........................| /...........................\ |.............................| |.......................| |...............| __ __ __ ___ __ __ __ __ |_ | |\ | |_ (_ | |__) |_ |_ |__) | | | \| |__ __) | |__) |__ |__ | \ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > So what's the big deal? Can't we make this fun again without > people bitching? Ignore the bitching, skip those posts, and get on with enjoying aa-a and doing your pictures. > Does anyone see it from this viewpoint as well? I do...partly anyway. You are suffering the fate of all people who attain fame in something they choose to do for fun ! Will you burn out ? I dunno. Time will tell. .--. , , ) .-----._ ___ < /) | | ||==|| _(())\) | | /|==|| __ .-' (()/ '-. :_____:/ |"_|/) /| _/ () \ / .-------. __.' / | oo)__/ () \ | / '=======' () / | :~ \_ ) _/ _/ /__________________/ | | |- (--|(,/ | [___o___] | | / ) \ | / [___o___] / | | ( \ | / [___o___] / | | ( | / | / | / . | |/ __ |/ | | : | <`,,'>,--,--..-, snd | |__/_____\ | / ( ( ) ) \ .,,. oo=' oo=' '-'\ ) ) ) )\ ___.---; < (,_)_)(_,)_/ / \ .-\_/_,__ ||| ||| _ _\_\_ \\ __\-' ~~ ~~ ( ) ( ) _/ '-' /_/-/_/-' Bye,
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > [ 8< ] > > ASCII art was fun when I first started lurking close to 2 years > > ago... People enjoyed making the pictures and enjoyed sharing > > them. Those who chose not to, didn't. People on the newsgroup > > supported one another and built upon other's ideas.... it wasn't > > considered "stealing"... > > > It was fun-amusement-- > > Exactly. And that's how I still view alt.ascii-art after some 4 > years of its existence. Of my 65 newsgroups aa-a is the one that > gives me greatest enjoyment...I skip the nasties where possible. > __ _____ _ / /| ____| | / /_| |__ | | | '_ \___ \| | | (_) |__) |_| \___/____/(_) And people call ME extreme! When do you eat/sleep/etc ? :D:D:D I have heard people call alt.ascii-art an oasis in the newsgroup desert.... > I think this posting of yours indicates that you are showing signs > of burn-out following a prolific output as an ascii-artist who has > earned many accolades and undoubtedly would be ranked as the most > prolific of all ascii-artists until now. Time for a little break maybe? Some time away from the computer... (I know I need that, computers may be fun and used for fun but you can get tired of them just as you can get tired of working too much....) > > Other people have burnt out, e.g. Rowan Crawford ( Row ); Suzy Oviatt; > Normand Veilleux; Bob Allison to name a few. All were acclaimed as > outstanding contributors. Bob Allison even got his own newsgroup > created "alt.fan.scarecrow" such was the adulation of Scarecrow at > the time of creation of the moderated newsgroup "rec.arts.ascii". > Bob Allison could do no wrong and walked on water. Is there any ascii-god who hasn't met that fate? (you make it sound like it is totally unavoidable...) > > > (Who remember the tornado postings?) :) > > No one was that concerned about copyrights-- although we did keep > > initials with all the ASCII artwork. > > I remember the tornado. I did a little diddle to the picture at one stage. So did I :) > > But...I also remember the Pete Casso bashing which I did not enjoy :-( It was funnier than his cartoons! (which doesn't say much) [ 8< ] -- :) Veronica Karlsson ( e93...@sm.luth.se http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ )
quoted from Colin: >These threads come around here periodically...you are simply just >witnessing the latest outbreak. You forgot to say that the latest outbreak was caused by Veronicastein and Spunkystein reacting negatively to the "Text Art Plus" announcement. I made the announcement for people to enjoy, but Veronicastein and Spunkystein then began throwing things at me. THAT poisons the atmosphere. It would be better if Veronicastein and Spunkystein behave better and refrain from taking such unsavory alternatives. In plain English, if Veronicastein and Spunkystein refrain from throwing things at me, I will not throw things back at them (there would be nothing to throw back.) But vice versa, if Veronicastein and Spunkystein begin throwing those poisonous things at me, I may throw things back at them. That should be unambiguous, I play with open cards, as I have always done. quoted from Spunkystein: > ASCII art was fun when I first started lurking close to 2 years > ago... People enjoyed making the pictures and enjoyed sharing > them. Those who chose not to, didn't. People on the newsgroup > supported one another and built upon other's ideas.... it wasn't > considered "stealing"... I just want to point out that it was Spunkystein herself who coined the term "stealing" in conjunction with people changing initials on her artwork. (She is perhaps justified in coining that term.) I just want to prevent a possible insinuation here (the quote came from a response from Spunkystein as I opened this thread), that I might have coined the term "stealing" in the context of ascii art, I did NOT. On the contrary, I have always encourage people to try their hands on Frogstein and Birdstein creations. Or to say things from a different perspective, it was Spunkystein who was bitching about "stealing" all along (perhaps justified), but I did NOT. quoted from Colin: >But...I also remember the Pete Casso bashing which I did not enjoy :-( >nor did I participate therein or comment until someone called >for an end to the bashing...and then...I posted this to celebrate >the end to hostilities... You played an ambiguous role in the past ascii war. You indeed posted the peaceseeking Steinlager cartoon, but before that, you also posted the belligerent Flamethrower cartoon. To say it once again, if people (Veronicastein and Spunkystein in particular) don't start bitching at me, I do my own stuff and there are enough people who enjoy my stuff. But if people (Veronicastein and Spunkystein in particular) do start bitching at me, I may throw things back at them, with or without a cartoon :-) 01WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW56 02 02 03 Frogstein and Birdstein, Languages 03 04 by Pete Casso 970728 04 05 05 06 Frogstein, what do the French say? 06 07 07 08 / I rembember! ... in English ... 08 09 _==_ / 09 10 ( "> oo. 10 11 (> )> (- ) 11 12 ^^ " " 12 13 13 14 Frogstein, what do the Germans say? 14 15 15 16 / Die Schweinerei! ... 16 17 _==_ / 17 18 ( "> oo. 18 19 (> )> (- ) 19 20 ^^ " " 20 21 21 22 ... no translation necessary! 22 23 and uhh ... what do the cartoonists say? 23 24 24 25 / What do you mean? 25 26 _==_ / 26 27 ( "> oo. 27 28 (> )> (- ) 28 29 ^^ " " 29 30 30 31 Well, are cartoons funny? 31 32 / 32 33 Not always! 33 34 / They just reflect reality! 34 35 _==_ / 35 36 ( "> oo. 36 37 (> )> (- ) 37 38 ^^ " " 38 39 39 40 Wow! Profound insight! 40 41 / 41 42 ,, 42 43 ( "> 43 44 ,(> )> 44 45 ( ^^ 45 46 46 47WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW56
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In article <199...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, pet...@aol.com (PeteCasso) writes: >I just want to point out that it was Spunkystein herself who coined the >term "stealing" in conjunction with people changing initials on her >artwork. (She is perhaps justified in coining that term.) > > Huh? is there another 'spunk' in this newsgroup?? When did I do this?????? I added initials back onto some of the pics-- just as I've done for others (Shanaka's, Row's, etc.) What's the big deal? >I just want to prevent a possible insinuation here (the quote came from a >response from Spunkystein as I opened this thread), that I might have >coined the term "stealing" in the context of ascii art, I did NOT. On the >contrary, I have always encourage people to try their hands on Frogstein >and Birdstein creations. > >Or to say things from a different perspective, it was Spunkystein who was >bitching about "stealing" all along (perhaps justified), but I did NOT. Read the words- not between the words. I made no insinuations. .... and please quit adding "stein" onto the references to me. If you must refer to me, you can use my real name or my email name. I never adjusted your name in the past except for using your initials... You may do the same. Stop making accusations. Continually doing so makes one lose integrity. I don't throw things at people. Reading egotistical things makes my stomach crawl. Can you explain this Text Art Plus- what makes it better than ASCII art? -joan
Veronica Karlsson (e93...@nospam.sm.luth.se) wrote: > __ _____ _ > / /| ____| | > / /_| |__ | | >| '_ \___ \| | >| (_) |__) |_| > \___/____/(_) >And people call ME extreme! When do you eat/sleep/etc ? :D:D:D There are more than 30,000+ newsgroups so a list of 65 is miniscule. It is said that one can only do full justice to 12 groups per day. Therefore you could read 84 newsgroups effectively once per week ( only selecting the articles you really wanted to read of course ). To read all the 30,000 systematically it would take some 2,500 days or 6 years and 310 days. I think one person actually does do something like that and he comes around again every couple of years. :-) ---------------------- Reading Newsgroups ---------------------- /mmm\ /mmm\ /mmm\ (O o) (O O) (o o) U U u /mmm\ ||\ \\ / \\ . (- -) oOOo__oOOo _____oOOo ___________ __u_oOOo ############ ########## ########### ################# ( 29,997 ) ( 29,998 ) ( 29,999 ) ( GIVE UP ) After -David Bourgin- Bye, Bye,
Okay, I've gotta clear something up that I think you might be refering to (I'm not sure what "response" you're talking about, so if this makes absolutely no sense, browse on!) I believe I was the one who used the word "stealing" (which is what I consider it) in recapping the going's-on because someone asked what the thread was about. I was paraphrasing, and was talking about what Joan had said...which was really, paraphrased: "Yes, that was a nice sig wasn't it? I believe it was made by so-in-so." That was a mistake on my part - as stealing does have a different connotation than what she really said, and I apologize for that. I don't remember Joan saying stealing (of course I have the memory of a cheap 8086) except to say, "*I* didn't say 'stealing'." PeteCasso wrote: > > I just want to point out that it was Spunkystein herself who coined the > term "stealing" in conjunction with people changing initials on her > artwork. (She is perhaps justified in coining that term.) > > I just want to prevent a possible insinuation here (the quote came from a > response from Spunkystein as I opened this thread), that I might have > coined the term "stealing" in the context of ascii art, I did NOT. On the > contrary, I have always encourage people to try their hands on Frogstein > and Birdstein creations. \/\/\/\/\/chainsaw buzz...\/\/\/\/\/\/ __________________________________________ Tom R. Earlywine X:o) __________________________________________ The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place. -Douglas Adams, on Windows '95 __________________________________________
Roland Simon wrote: > > I agree with those people who believe we should the fun back in ascii art. > To my way of thinking, we are all a little too paranoid about sensitivity, > copyright, political correctness and the whole lot. Why not let our hair > down and forget all this. Roland "political correctness"????? You must have missed the recent "2MUCH" thread! :D:D:D:D -- :) Veronica Karlsson ( e93...@sm.luth.se http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ )
Shimrod wrote: > > PeteCasso wrote: > > [ 8< ] > I can't agree with that. The main reason that ASCII art was created was > probably because you can send it by email, which you can't do with other > art formats. I'd love to see you post some real typewriter art (using > double characters and half lines and all that) readable to everyone, > until you do that, typewriter art can't be considered ASCII art. > That would be nice, but I thought I should reply to this before PC says that gif images can be sent as attachments by mail... Sending somebody a gif or jpeg (or other format) image or other big file in email without first asking for permission is generally considered very rude and is not to be recommended. -- :) Veronica Karlsson ( e93...@sm.luth.se http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ )
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