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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 27 Apr 1998.
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alt.ascii-art · 22 messages · 27 Apr 1998 - 2 May 1998
Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> ASCII art 27 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Here is a thought I got when writing an email to Petecassostein.

Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
poetry to make a picture out of the verses. for example:


     aceI               Stre
    e    s             r    n
   P      sWeJustNeedOu      g
   A      U           T      t
    l    n             o    h   
     iveI               Show

Simple yes, but I'm sure you know what I am refering to. So maybe we
should give those poets the true discovery of Ascii Art?

Just a thought from the depths of my awakenings. What do you other
artists and lurkers think?


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> Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
> poetry to make a picture out of the verses. for example: ...
> Simple, yes, but I'm sure you know what I am refering to. So maybe we
> should give those poets the true discovery of Ascii Art?  Just a thought 
> from the depths of my awakenings. What do you other artists and lurkers 
> think?

I remember seeing some of those type poems in one of my high school
English texts.  Some were amazingly intricate.  But that's definitely a
cool idea.  I don't think that I've seen any ASCI poems/pictures online as
of this moment, and now that I think of it I find that quite surprising... 
Are any of you aaa folks poets?  I'm new to the ASCI art element of the
combo, but I'll see if I can come up with something... 

sharleen

Ojoshiro <ojo...@_NOSPAM_mindless.com> ASCII art 28 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Sharleen wrote:
> 
> > Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
> > poetry to make a picture out of the verses. for example: ...
> > Simple, yes, but I'm sure you know what I am refering to. So maybe we
> > should give those poets the true discovery of Ascii Art?  Just a thought
> > from the depths of my awakenings. What do you other artists and lurkers
> > think?
> 
> I remember seeing some of those type poems in one of my high school
> English texts.  Some were amazingly intricate.  But that's definitely a
> cool idea.  I don't think that I've seen any ASCI poems/pictures online as
> of this moment, and now that I think of it I find that quite surprising...
> Are any of you aaa folks poets?  I'm new to the ASCI art element of the
> combo, but I'll see if I can come up with something...
> 
> sharleen

I remember one called "Marilyn Monroe" which was just two 'm's in the
shape
of lips. I think it's somewhere inbetween poetry and graphic art.
Problem is that it's not possible to do without distorting the 'm's, so
I
cannot show any here.

If anyone got some of those...I like them.

Ojoshiro!
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In some serious novel I read, that took place around 1900 or so, they
described a picture hanging on someone's wall, which created a portrait
of some author (Tolstoy?) by varying the weight (eg, boldface) of
individual letters in a long quote from that author.  (Whew!  Badly
phrased explanation there, sorry.)  I think the borders were also shaped
to be his sillhouette.  But I assume such art did exist then.

Also, Lewis Carroll shaped some part of "Alice" as a mouse-tail, didn't
he?


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Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> ASCII art 28 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Sharleen wrote:
> 
> > Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
> > poetry to make a picture out of the verses. for example: ...
> > Simple, yes, but I'm sure you know what I am refering to. So maybe we
> > should give those poets the true discovery of Ascii Art?  Just a thought
> > from the depths of my awakenings. What do you other artists and lurkers
> > think?
> 
> I remember seeing some of those type poems in one of my high school
> English texts.  Some were amazingly intricate.  But that's definitely a
> cool idea.  I don't think that I've seen any ASCI poems/pictures online as
> of this moment, and now that I think of it I find that quite surprising...
> Are any of you aaa folks poets?  I'm new to the ASCI art element of the
> combo, but I'll see if I can come up with something...
> 
> sharleen


Uhh, yes I am a poet (hence the title of my home page 'Poems by
Donovan')and I have thought about doing this for some time, but for some
reason never tied the poetry and ascii-art ideas into one thought in my
head until yesterday. SO Tomorrow I'll convert one of my poems into one
of those and post it. *S*

-- 
Peace,

Donovan


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Found this in the older corners of my collection:


   Picture Poem (by Adrienne Rich, from Meindert de Jong):

                Dusk
              above the
          water hang the
                    loud
                   flies
                   Here
                  O so
                 gray
                then
               what            A pale signal will appear
              when        Soon before its shadow fades
             where      Here in this pool of opened eye
            in us     No upon us As at the very edges
             of where we take shape in the dark air
              This object bares its image awakening
                ripples of recognition that will
                   brush darkness up into light
even after this bird this hour both drift byatop the perfect
sad instant now     already passing out of sight
                 toward yet-untroubled reflection
               this image bares its object darkening
              into memorial shades scattered bits of
            light      No of water Or something across
            water        Breaking up no being regathered
             soon          Yet by then a swan will have
              gone              yes out of mind into what
               vast
                pale
                 hush
                  of a
                  place
                   past
         sudden dark as
             if a swan
                sang


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Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> ASCII art 28 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> 
> Found this in the older corners of my collection:
> 
>    Picture Poem (by Adrienne Rich, from Meindert de Jong):
 
                 Dusk
               above the
           water hang the
                     loud
                    flies
                    Here
                   O so
                  gray
                 then
                what            A pale signal will appear
               when        Soon before its shadow fades
              where      Here in this pool of opened eye
             in us     No upon us As at the very edges
              of where we take shape in the dark air
               This object bares its image awakening
                 ripples of recognition that will
                    brush darkness up into light
 even after this bird this hour both drift byatop the perfect
 sad instant now     already passing out of sight
                  toward yet-untroubled reflection
                this image bares its object darkening
               into memorial shades scattered bits of
             light      No of water Or something across
             water        Breaking up no being regathered
              soon          Yet by then a swan will have
               gone              yes out of mind into what
                vast
                 pale
                  hush
                   of a
                   place
                    past
          sudden dark as
              if a swan
                 sang

That's a great one, Veronica. Now I am really going to have to take the
time to make it look good. *S*
-- 
Peace,

Donovan


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Donovan wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> >
> > Found this in the older corners of my collection:
> >
> >    Picture Poem (by Adrienne Rich, from Meindert de Jong):
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[ 8< ]
> 
> That's a great one, Veronica. Now I am really going to have to take the
> time to make it look good. *S*

Please note: I did not make it! It's a classic masterpiece I copied from
somewhere.

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70s.  Really amazing stuff.

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Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> ASCII art 28 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Donovan wrote:
> 
> Here is a thought I got when writing an email to Petecassostein.
> 
> Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
> poetry to make a picture out of the verses. for example:
> 
>      aceI               Stre
>     e    s             r    n
>    P      sWeJustNeedOu      g
>    A      U           T      t
>     l    n             o    h
>      iveI               Show
> 
> Simple yes, but I'm sure you know what I am refering to. So maybe we
> should give those poets the true discovery of Ascii Art?
> 
> Just a thought from the depths of my awakenings. What do you other
> artists and lurkers think?

Well here is my first one!


                                        The Dolphins' Way,
                      In Me          Aspirations of the living
                   sea The dolphins do move within    me The aura of
                     their soul, I feel deep down To be in the water
                        and not on ground Sifting through the
                          ocean, an expressing show Communi-
                        cation of a song and a blow Pro-
                     tecting even those not of their
                  kind They ask nothing in return,
             they do not mind The most gracious
          and unselfish of all that wander I
      wish to swim with them, nothing   could
    be fonder The dolphins mean so     much
 to me, you see I need to thank      them,
for showing us how to be                           (Donovan 1997)

-- 
Peace,

Donovan


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Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> ASCII art 28 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Thanks for linking me to things of beauty, Donovanstein!

Here is a diddle that I came up with, based on my past experiences in
aaa  :-))

     atis               Stre
    m    m             r    n
   g      oWeJustNeedOu      g
   a      n           T      t
    r    a             o    h
     P aa               Show

A good and recent example is providing the disincentives against html
flames. Colinstein, and earlier, Veronicastein, ran out of issue related
arguments.

Generally speaking, we should make the flaming experience as distasteful
as possible for the perpetrators. (Of course, some may be so limited
that they do not perceive the disincentives  ;-))

Unfortunately, the pragmatism on aaa also dictates that you have to take
initiatives, at least occasionally. I am quite obviously not the only
one doing that, but I am the only one stating this that openly.

I realize too, that I am addressing just one aspect of Donovanstein's
article  ;-))  but I think I need to be steadfast in this regard.

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miK <mmi...@dataweb.nl> ASCII art 28 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> wrote:

>Donovan wrote:
>> 
>> Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
>> poetry to make a picture out of the verses. for example:
>> 
>>      aceI               Stre
>>     e    s             r    n
>>    P      sWeJustNeedOu      g
>>    A      U           T      t
>>     l    n             o    h
>>      iveI               Show
>> 
>> Simple yes, but I'm sure you know what I am refering to. So maybe we
>> should give those poets the true discovery of Ascii Art?
>> 
>> Just a thought from the depths of my awakenings. What do you other
>> artists and lurkers think?

>Well here is my first one!


>                                        The Dolphins' Way,
>                      In Me          Aspirations of the living
>                   sea The dolphins do move within    me The aura of
>                     their soul, I feel deep down To be in the water
>                        and not on ground Sifting through the
>                          ocean, an expressing show Communi-
>                        cation of a song and a blow Pro-
>                     tecting even those not of their
>                  kind They ask nothing in return,
>             they do not mind The most gracious
>          and unselfish of all that wander I
>      wish to swim with them, nothing   could
>    be fonder The dolphins mean so     much
> to me, you see I need to thank      them,
>for showing us how to be                           (Donovan 1997)

Nice :)

Here's another one... "It rains" by the French poet Guillaume Apollinaire (ca.
1930). He also used typesetting to stress the poem's content.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

  I       c'     e        ,      ,
  l        e      t       e      e
           s                c     c
   p       t      c          o     o
   l              e          u     u
    e        v     s         t      t
   u        o                e     e
    t        u      n
            s      u             s     t
   d               a             i       o
    e         a      g             l       m
    s         u      e                     b
               s      s              p      e
    v         s                     l       r
    o         i       c             e
    i                 a              u        l
     x          q      b               t       e
                u      r_                      s
    d         i         e                t
     e         l        s                a        l
                                         n       i
     f          p        s                d        e
     e          l        e               i        n
     m          e                        s         s
      m          u       p
     e          t        r                q        q
      s                  e                u        u
                        n                e        i
     c           m       n
     o           e       e                 l        t
      m           r       n                 e        e
     m           v       t
     e           e                         r           r
                  i       ,                 e          e
      s           l       a                 g          t
      i            l                       r            i
                    e       h                 e          e
     e            u        e                  t          n
     l            s         n                             n
      l            e         n                e            e
     e            s          i                t            n
      s                     r                              t
                                              l
      ,            r        t                  e           e
      e            e        o                              n
       t            n        u                 d
      a            c         t                  e           h
       i            o                            d           a
      e            n         u                   a           u
       n            t         n                   i           t
       t            r                             n
                   e          u                               e
       m            s          n                   p           t
       o                        i                   l
        r             d          v                   e           e
        t             e          e                   u           n
       e                         r                   r
        s                         s                 e            b
                      m                              n            a
        m             a            d                  t           s
        e                           e
         m               v                                u
         e               i             v                  n
         s               e             i                   e
                                       l
         d               ,              l                 a
         a              o               e                   n
          n                              s                   c
          s                                                 i
                          g             a                    e
          l               o              u                    n
          e              u               r                   n
                          t               i                   e
            s              e              c
            o               l              u                   m
            u              e              l                   u
           v               t             a                    s
            e               t            i                    i
            n               e              r                    q
            i               s             e                    u
             r                              s                    e

---Il pleut -- Guillaume Apollinaire -------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------mic


It's translator prog proof ;)

bye,

Perhaps I should mention that there are software packages that lets you
fill templates with text. The most common shapes for the templates are
rectangles and ovals, and any text copied in those templates will
automatically fill those shapes in the smoothest way. For example,
PowerPoint, an application in MS Office, comes with predefined forms of
templates, including stars, broad arrows in a variety of shapes, etc
(Although PowerPoint works well only with rectangles and ovals, the
other predefined shapes don't work very well.)

More sophisticated software packages such as PageMaker allows you to
define the shape of the templates to be anything you like, including
dolphins and swans, etc. This is very convenient, since you can easily
scale the size (height and width) of the template such that the last
letter of the poem ends up exactly at the last letter position in the
template.

If you dispense with the idea of connecting poems with ascii art and are
only interested in the visual/ascii art aspect, then there is an
interesting possibility for computer generated ascii art. 

(I know, people posting articles on computer generated ascii art were
flamed recently  ;-))  but I will post this article anyway, and make
sure that the flaming experience will be as distasteful as possible for
the perpetrators  ;-))

Anyway, rather than trying to write a piece of software for generating
ascii art from scratch, you can consider writing plug-ins for the most
common software packages in existence (it does not have to be the
extremely expensive PageMaker.) If you target the solid style of ascii
art, then one of the things that the plug-in must do, is to introduce a
grayscale, i.e. a substitution algorithm for light to dark, e.g. from a
"blank" to a "@". If you target the line style of ascii art, then the
plug-in must include an outline algorithm for best fit, etc. 

Of course, you can let the sofware do a mix of both algorithms, and nice
would be slider that would let you change the mix from solid style only
to 50%-50% to line style only with continuous intermediate positions for
the best visual effect, and then start the diddling as necessary.

The advantage of writing a plug-in rather than writing an application
from scratch is as always the ability to piggy-back on the services of
the host application which can be as tremendously sophisticated as those
of PageMaker.

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Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 29 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
>Message-id: <354...@gwtc.net>
>> Free form poetry is extremely old and there was a time they used that
>> poetry to make a picture out of the verses

I believe that this is called "typography" and it is related
to ASCII art.  Typography has been around for years.
If you run a net search on 'typography'. you will find
lots of information.

ASCII art puts a great deal of limitations upon the picture
that can be done.  (And I'm talking "pure" ASCII art).
Letters are dictated by the ASCII standard.  Spacing is
dictated with a fixed-width.  I'm surprised that font style
is not dictated but that may be asking too much.

Typography allows for lots of freedom.  Handwritten
letters (have you seen the handdrawn "book of John"
created by Gwang Hyuk Lee found at my website?)...
or typed letters.  Last year while at the Niagara Falls
Museum, I saw a beautiful hand-typed "ASCII" rendition
of the falls-- I believe there were some half-spaces used
and overtypes to get the right effect. Some typewritten
art even goes as far as typing at an angle... as well as
across the page.   Those techniques
are not permitted in pure ASCII art.

So, yes, I would say that they are related-- I don't know
if I would go as far as saying that one was the precursor
for the other...

The earliest pure ASCII art would have to be those found
on John Foust's Ancient ASCII art page.. which is really
cool--It  focuses on teletype artwork from the 1960's and 1970's
http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/index.html
He has collected and posted numerous works from this era
 including the early Baudot Code art and 'paper tape' art.
 It is definitely worth a look!

-joan
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Donovan <bak...@gwtc.net> ASCII art 29 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink
I actually did know that these programs existed, but just never thought
of using them before. *S* Doing the Dolphin was a little tedious, but
worth it's end result. Thanks for the info and the ideas.

I suppose there is no difference between the typography (the shaped
poems, thank you Joan for reminding me of their correct name, I was
going crazy trying to remember) and the solid style of ascii-art, as far
as ascii-art is concerned, anyway. Just another thought

 
Peace,

Donovan



Pete Casso wrote:
 
:> Perhaps I should mention that there are software packages that lets
you
:> fill templates with text. The most common shapes for the templates
are
:> rectangles and ovals, and any text copied in those templates will
:> automatically fill those shapes in the smoothest way. For example,
:> PowerPoint, an application in MS Office, comes with predefined forms
of
:> templates, including stars, broad arrows in a variety of shapes, etc
:> (Although PowerPoint works well only with rectangles and ovals, the
:> other predefined shapes don't work very well.)
 
:> More sophisticated software packages such as PageMaker allows you to
:> define the shape of the templates to be anything you like, including
:> dolphins and swans, etc. This is very convenient, since you can
easily
:> scale the size (height and width) of the template such that the last
:> letter of the poem ends up exactly at the last letter position in the
:> template.
 
:> If you dispense with the idea of connecting poems with ascii art and
are
:> only interested in the visual/ascii art aspect, then there is an
:> interesting possibility for computer generated ascii art.
 
:> (I know, people posting articles on computer generated ascii art were
:> flamed recently  ;-))  but I will post this article anyway, and make
:> sure that the flaming experience will be as distasteful as possible
for
:> the perpetrators  ;-))
 
:> Anyway, rather than trying to write a piece of software for
generating
:> ascii art from scratch, you can consider writing plug-ins for the
most
:> common software packages in existence (it does not have to be the
:> extremely expensive PageMaker.) If you target the solid style of
ascii
:> art, then one of the things that the plug-in must do, is to introduce
a
:> grayscale, i.e. a substitution algorithm for light to dark, e.g. from
a
:> "blank" to a "@". If you target the line style of ascii art, then the
:> plug-in must include an outline algorithm for best fit, etc.
 
:> Of course, you can let the sofware do a mix of both algorithms, and
nice
:> would be slider that would let you change the mix from solid style
only
:> to 50%-50% to line style only with continuous intermediate positions
for
:> the best visual effect, and then start the diddling as necessary.
 
:> The advantage of writing a plug-in rather than writing an application
:> from scratch is as always the ability to piggy-back on the services
of
:> the host application which can be as tremendously sophisticated as
those
:> of PageMaker.


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Spunk1111 wrote in message
<199...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>I believe that this is called "typography" and it is related
>to ASCII art.  Typography has been around for years.
>If you run a net search on 'typography'. you will find
>lots of information.

Lots more than you want too! Typography is also the study of typefaces
(fonts) as well as text design in general (layout).

For example, a DejaNews interest search on "typography" gives comp.fonts
first (a newsgroup for designing and using typefaces... not like
alt.binaries.fonts for posting them <g>)

Is there a more specialized name for these art layouts anywhere? or has the
English language failed us again?

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Brock Kevin Nambo wrote:
> Is there a more specialized name for these art layouts anywhere? or 
> has the English language failed us again?

Microsoft has developed its own typography for office productivity
purposes. It is called "Word Art" and is included in the MS Office
package.

My pathologically enlarged ego has developed its own typography for the
'steins. It is called "Text Art Plus" and can be found at

http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/
select: The Stylesteins

Copied from that page:
What is Text Art Plus? Text Art Plus is about achieving visual effects
using styled and colored text. This is an enhancement of ascii art which
uses non-styled, and black and white text only. In addition, Text Art
Plus may use simple graphics to enhance the visual experience. Enjoy!

I have also animated and interactive versions of "Text Art Plus" which
can be found at

http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/
select: The Shocksteins

.      ,,
.     ( ">      Visit the Gallery of the 'steins!
.    ,(> )>    http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/
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sgt pinback wrote in message ...
>possibly vaugely related i've seen files w/ bells, characters and spaces
>in them so that when you sent them to a (dot matrix) printer would go 'zit
>zit bing, zit zit bing, zit zit bing bing bing' etc and play 'music'. or at
>least a semi-recognizable rhythm. ascii music? kick out the jams brothers
>and sisters!
>
>(oh no. have i just given the dread* pete casso another ascii extension
>idea? have i just made the ascci gangstein list by saying this?)

It wouldn't be an extension.. ASCII character 7 (bell) is usually
represented by a sound (ding!)

Of course, Not Many programs do that nowadays.  And ASCII 7 is verboten by
the FAQs.  Just another of our local ascii convention/extension.

>>BKNambo
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> It wouldn't be an extension.. ASCII character 7 (bell) is usually
> represented by a sound (ding!)


Would the original poster be impressed with "Big Ben" sounds for the
"frogstein w/ dreads" ?   :-))




> Of course, Not Many programs do that nowadays.  And ASCII 7 is verboten by
> the FAQs.  Just another of our local ascii convention/extension.
> 
> >>BKNambo
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Jorn Barger (jor...@mcs.com) writes:
> In some serious novel I read, that took place around 1900 or so, they
> described a picture hanging on someone's wall, which created a portrait
> of some author (Tolstoy?) by varying the weight (eg, boldface) of
> individual letters in a long quote from that author.  (Whew!  Badly
> phrased explanation there, sorry.)  I think the borders were also shaped
> to be his sillhouette.  But I assume such art did exist then.

I have a picture around here somewhere, taken from American Heritage
magazine.  It's of Abraham Lincoln and is created from the Gettysburg
Address. Pretty neat.

*s*
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Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> ASCII art 2 May 1998 00:00 · permalink
sgt pinback <rob...@project.darkstar> wrote:

> possibly vaugely related i've seen files w/ bells, characters and 
> spaces in them so that when you sent them to a (dot matrix) 
> printer would go 'zit zit bing, zit zit bing, zit zit bing bing 
> bing' etc and play 'music'. or at least a semi-recognizable 
> rhythm. ascii music? kick out the jams brothers and sisters! 


> (oh no. have i just given the dread* pete casso another ascii 
> extension idea? have i just made the ascci gangstein list by 
> saying this?) 


Nope, just the derbinglestein list:


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Bye,

Susan H. Neese wrote in message <6ie69p$bn...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
>
>Jorn Barger (jor...@mcs.com) writes:
>> In some serious novel I read, that took place around 1900 or so, they
>> described a picture hanging on someone's wall, which created a portrait
>> of some author (Tolstoy?) by varying the weight (eg, boldface) of
>> individual letters in a long quote from that author.  (Whew!  Badly
>> phrased explanation there, sorry.)  I think the borders were also shaped
>> to be his sillhouette.  But I assume such art did exist then.
>
>I have a picture around here somewhere, taken from American Heritage
>magazine.  It's of Abraham Lincoln and is created from the Gettysburg
>Address. Pretty neat.


And Joan has on her webpage a picture of Jesus made from the Gospel of
John...


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