Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 25 Mar 2001.
Classic ascii pics
alt.ascii-art
· 41 messages · 25 Mar 2001 - 26 Apr 2001
I'm in the process of writing an entry on ascii art for h2g2 (The 'Earth
edition' of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ )
I'm after a few (5 to 10) classic pics to include as examples. First that
springs to mind is Row's Eagle, and I'd better have something of jgs' (any
ideas of a representative piece?). I need something in solid style too, and
a representative sig or two.
Suggestions please :)
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In article <99l69i$ftc$1...@news.ox.ac.uk>, Henry Segerman wrote: >I'm in the process of writing an entry on ascii art for h2g2 (The 'Earth >edition' of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: >http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ ) > >I'm after a few (5 to 10) classic pics to include as examples. First that >springs to mind is Row's Eagle, and I'd better have something of jgs' (any >ideas of a representative piece?). I need something in solid style too, and >a representative sig or two. One of Felix Lee's cats. The one with '4' as a nose, I think. They're quite popular in .sigs, so you could pick one that includes it. As for other "classic" pictures, Meriday might be a bit too large.. Oh, and you'll obviously have to include a smiley. -- . _, .. j u s t. h o w l.i n g i n .t h e n.i g h t .. ._, . , )'' . /\_ . ' ,/\ . , ``( , _\__/ |__.'\._______,--;_'_`-.___,.______,/_,_`.__,-.__'__,/`-._,_| \____ ,_f_)\. Ilmari Karonen ilt...@sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ /(_|_,.
Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.invalid> wrote:
: One of Felix Lee's cats. The one with '4' as a nose, I think. They're
: quite popular in .sigs, so you could pick one that includes it. As for
: other "classic" pictures, Meriday might be a bit too large..
: Oh, and you'll obviously have to include a smiley.
Got the 4 nosed cat now. Any other ideas?
Might be a bit of a problem with it yet - h2g2 seeems to have an annoying
habit of mangling ASCII art, even inside PRE tags. I'll see if I can get
round it.
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> Just some pointers for your search.
How about a Red Baron episode to illustrate ascii-asrt being used in comics -
Pick a funny one.
Here .. slightly oftopic is a classic in ascii-art
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But I don't think HS meant that.
Kind Regards
CeeJay
Andreas Freise <ad...@mpq.mpg.de> wrote:
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: Just some pointers for your search.
Perfect, just the sort of stuff I'm looking for. On the solid front, I'm
having a bit of trouble finding ones that work well with black text on white
(which is what it'll be like when the entry is done). I'll check out Normand's
stuff. Does anyone know the origins of this statue of liberty?:
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:08:16 +0200, Andreas Freise <ad...@mpq.mpg.de> provoked the following text: > | /_ | / %%%% %%%%% > | ) | \ %%% ,, %%%%%%%% > \ / | / (< ?%%%% > | / | / ^ .' > /_/ | (_ ___ /(___ > | ) /\ ~ /_\ > \ / _/\(\_)(_/)\ \_ > | / /\_/ \ x / \_/\ > ____ /_/_____ \_/ ) x \ \_/ > |_____________| __// /==o==\ \\__ > ) _________ (____/__/___( - \___\__\___________ > || ||____ ____| __\ ________ _____ > || || \// \ / \_ \// > || || //\ \ / \ //\ > || b'ger || \\/ \_/ \ \\/ > || || /\\ \ / | /\\ > || || \// / _ | \// > || ||____//\________| |_____//\______ > ||_________||______________/ |______________ > )___________( /\_________\ > |_____________| / | | \ > \=/ \=/ .. . She looks like the singer of the band Nightwish. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 958wu/1.44yrs Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword.
Henry Segerman wrote: > > I'm in the process of writing an entry on ascii art for h2g2 (The 'Earth > edition' of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ ) > > I'm after a few (5 to 10) classic pics to include as examples. First that > springs to mind is Row's Eagle, and I'd better have something of jgs' (any > ideas of a representative piece?). I need something in solid style too, and > a representative sig or two. > > Suggestions please :) I nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall. -- All your ascii are belong to us.
Its almost finished now. You can see it at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A525791
Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion in the edited guide?
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,-. Henry Segerman
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Henry Segerman wrote: > > Its almost finished now. You can see it at: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A525791 > > Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion > in the edited guide? Looks OK in IE, but not in NS. -- Cheers Trevor Reply to address invalid, when replying directly please use tcn at inform dot co dot nz
Trevor <nos...@thanks.com> writes: > Henry Segerman wrote: > > Its almost finished now. You can see it at: > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A525791 > > > > Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion in the > >edited guide? > > Looks OK in IE, but not in NS. Can't reproduce that, here. Looks fine in Opera 5.0b6, Mozilla, NetRape 4.73, links, w3m and even lynx. Didn't try NetRape 6, since that is actually *beyond* my limits for Software� allowed on my system. There's got to be a limit *somewhere*. Well, aside from the fact that the fsckwits designing the BBCs Mainsite obviously never heard that some people actually drive their monitors with a reasonable resolution instead of those prehistoric 72dpi common in so many wind~1-installations. Thus the fonts are, as always, too small on most 'nix machines (and Macintoys, IIRC). But apart from that (and most people who run into that problem probably either fixed it by now or completely ruined their eyes, thus not being able to read anyways), the site is rather browser-friendly, IMHO. Not exactly *optimized* for "alternative" browsers, seems to scale down fairly gracefully, though. That, however still doesn't make it valid HTML, obviously. http://validator.w3c.org might help you iron out some of the mistakes *you* put into there. That the BBC manages to start breaking the HTML-standard *from the very first line*(!) of their "page" stands for itself, I believe. Tilman ---------- 1: The term is obviously loosely applied in this context -- ,--------------------------------------------------------. |Tilman Ahr | Email: rio...@gmx.net | | | til...@student.hu-berlin.de | `--------------------------PGP-Key available by request--�
> > Its almost finished now. You can see it at: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A525791 > > > > Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion > > in the edited guide? > > Looks OK in IE, but not in NS. What about using the <code>-Tags in addition to <pre>? It should look fine tehn in every browser. regards, Markus
Trevor <nos...@thanks.com> wrote:
: Henry Segerman wrote:
:>
:> Its almost finished now. You can see it at:
:> http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A525791
:>
:> Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion
:> in the edited guide?
: Looks OK in IE, but not in NS.
Aargh. I don't have NS here, what's wrong with it? And is it an issue with
just that page or do other pages on the site also have problems?
There might be copyright issues apparently (The bbc is paranoid about stuff
like that). I might need to get permission to use the art from each artist.
I suspect that won't be a problem? The relevant artists are:
Joan Stark, Jorn Barger, (unknown) artist of Statue of Liberty,
Normand Veilleux, Rowan Crawford, me (I think I can get permission here...),
Joris Bellenger, Veronica Karlsson, and Ulrich Schreglmann (Ool).
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Tilman Ahr <rio...@gmx.net> wrote:
<snip>
: That, however still doesn't make it valid HTML, obviously.
: http://validator.w3c.org might help you iron out some of the mistakes
: *you* put into there.
I claim complete innocence...you can't write entries in HTML at all - you
have to write it in something called GUIDE-ML, which is a cut down version
with some extra bits added. Their server then converts it to something
readable. Its not a bad idea - means they have control over the style
(can keep it consistent) and better for security.
: That the BBC manages to start breaking the HTML-standard *from the very
: first line*(!) of their "page" stands for itself, I believe.
The BBC took over h2g2 only very recently (less than a month ago) so h2g2
may also be to blame.
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Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
:> > Its almost finished now. You can see it at:
:> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A525791
:> >
:> > Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion
:> > in the edited guide?
:>
:> Looks OK in IE, but not in NS.
: What about using the <code>-Tags in addition to <pre>? It should look
: fine tehn in every browser.
I've not seen those before. You mean like <code><pre> stuff </pre></code> ?
What does that change?
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,-. Henry Segerman
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On 29 Mar 2001, Henry Segerman wrote: > : Looks OK in IE, but not in NS. > > Aargh. I don't have NS here, what's wrong with it? And is it an issue with > just that page or do other pages on the site also have problems? In NS 4.76 (Linux) I need to set "overwrite document-specified fonts" to get it in fixed width. Usually that means that the specified font is not available on my computer/system and the replacement is then more or less random. If I understand you right than you cannot change that yourself but using no special font or at least a well distributet one (e.g. Courier) could help. > There might be copyright issues apparently (The bbc is paranoid about stuff > like that). I might need to get permission to use the art from each artist. > I suspect that won't be a problem? The relevant artists are: By the way: I don't think you are right about "Almost nobody minds use of their art for almost any purpose...". I certainly do mind if it's a commercial thing. You might add "non commercial" somewhere. :) Andreas .. -._ ._.--. _.. - ' , `.- ' .-- ~- ' ( ) (,-- --._.'-. .--._ ( .- .n__.-:_,---. `--._.'`-' ________________________________ /_oo=oO_ c-c'____________________a:f http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise http://www.ascii-art.de
Henry Segerman <sjo...@sable.ox.ac.uk> writes: > Tilman Ahr <rio...@gmx.net> wrote: > > : That, however still doesn't make it valid HTML, > :obviously. http://validator.w3c.org might help you iron out some of the > :mistakes *you* put into there. > > I claim complete innocence...you can't write entries in HTML at all - > you have to write it in something called GUIDE-ML, which is a cut down > version with some extra bits added. Their server then converts it to > something readable. Its not a bad idea - means they have control over > the style (can keep it consistent) and better for security. Mhm... In a way. would be nice if they could make it create correct html, though. Imean: It's not like the HTML-Standard was brand new or anything - and tidy&co *are* around for a reason. Nevertheless it's one of the less ugly examples of HTML around in more or less commercial pages, so it's allright, I guess. ;-) > : That the BBC manages to start breaking the HTML-standard *from the > :very first line*(!) of their "page" stands for itself, I believe. > > The BBC took over h2g2 only very recently (less than a month ago) so > h2g2 may also be to blame. Well, the page is "embedded" in a page in BBC's "corporate design", so at least the crap in the first few lines is entirely BBCs. But as I said: As far as commercial sites go, it's pretty OK code, as far as I can tell... Tilman -- ,--------------------------------------------------------. |Tilman Ahr | Email: rio...@gmx.net | | | til...@student.hu-berlin.de | `--------------------------PGP-Key available by request--�
Andreas Freise <ad...@mpq.mpg.de> writes: > On 29 Mar 2001, Henry Segerman wrote: > > : Looks OK in IE, but not in NS. > > > > Aargh. I don't have NS here, what's wrong with it? And is it an issue > >with just that page or do other pages on the site also have problems? > > In NS 4.76 (Linux) I need to set "overwrite document-specified fonts" to > get it in fixed width. Oops. Didn't test *that* one - it's set on all my browsers, since you need it basically everywhere. Plus, I've installed Micros~1's "standard fonts" here - "surfing" the web just gets too annoying otherwise. But it should have been obvious enough, really. Tilman -- ,--------------------------------------------------------. |Tilman Ahr | Email: rio...@gmx.net | | | til...@student.hu-berlin.de | `--------------------------PGP-Key available by request--�
> : What about using the <code>-Tags in addition to <pre>? It should look > : fine tehn in every browser. > > I've not seen those before. You mean like <code><pre> stuff </pre></code> ? Yes that's it. > What does that change? It tells the browser to use a fixed width font there. Markus
Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
:> : What about using the <code>-Tags in addition to <pre>? It should look
:> : fine tehn in every browser.
:>
:> I've not seen those before. You mean like <code><pre> stuff </pre></code> ?
: Yes that's it.
:> What does that change?
: It tells the browser to use a fixed width font there.
Doesn't pre do that already?
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Henry Segerman wrote: > :> I've not seen those before. You mean like <code><pre> stuff </pre></code> ? > > : Yes that's it. > > :> What does that change? > > : It tells the browser to use a fixed width font there. > > Doesn't pre do that already? No, pre only tells the browser where to keep the blanks and line breakings like they are in the html source. Otherwise duplicate blanks are united to a single one and line breaks are ignored. Code will make it look like program source code - that means the browser will use a fixed width font. Markus
Andreas Freise <ad...@mpq.mpg.de> wrote:
: On 29 Mar 2001, Henry Segerman wrote:
:> : Looks OK in IE, but not in NS.
:>
:> Aargh. I don't have NS here, what's wrong with it? And is it an issue with
:> just that page or do other pages on the site also have problems?
: In NS 4.76 (Linux) I need to set "overwrite document-specified fonts" to
: get it in fixed width. Usually that means that the specified font is not
: available on my computer/system and the replacement is then more or less
: random. If I understand you right than you cannot change that yourself but
: using no special font or at least a well distributet one (e.g. Courier)
: could help.
Yes, I have no control over the fonts at all. I thought it just defaults
to the browser's fixed width font?
:> There might be copyright issues apparently (The bbc is paranoid about stuff
:> like that). I might need to get permission to use the art from each artist.
:> I suspect that won't be a problem? The relevant artists are:
: By the way: I don't think you are right about "Almost nobody minds use of
: their art for almost any purpose...". I certainly do mind if it's a
: commercial thing. You might add "non commercial" somewhere.
Good point, I'll do that. Hmm. The exact wordings from the terms and conditions
page on their site:
"Where you are invited to submit any contribution to this site (including without limitation any text, graphics, video or audio) you are required by such submission to grant the BBC a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive, sublicenseable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to any such work worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any media no
w known or later developed for the full term of any rights that may exist in such content, consistent with privacy restrictions set forth in the BBC's Privacy Policy."
Well, to the exact wording, that means that they theoretically could use the
art in a commercial manner. If that bothers you (or anyone else) I'll take
the page down. Realistically I can't see them doing anything with it (perhaps
including the entry, with art in a published CD or something at most).
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> > > > Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion > > in the edited guide? > > Looks OK in IE, but not in NS. > You have used a <front> tag after the <pre> tag this is unfortunatly an illegal html option, set the front size before you use the <pre> .. </pre> tags and your problems are gone. <font size="+1"><PRE> , ; , .-'"""'-. , ; , \\|/ .' '. \|// \-;-/ \-;-/ // ; ; \\ //__; :. .; ;__\\ `-----\'.'-.....-'.'/-----' '.'.-.-,_.'.' jgs '( (..-' '-' </PRE></font> Greetings, Mark Sterk If you want to mail me non-spam messages, don't send it into the void, send it to: mailto:str...@sjello.nl
> >> | /_ | / %%%% %%%%% >> | ) | \ %%% ,, %%%%%%%% >> \ / | / (< ?%%%% >> | / | / ^ .' >> /_/ | (_ ___ /(___ >> | ) /\ ~ /_\ >> \ / _/\(\_)(_/)\ \_ >> | / /\_/ \ x / \_/\ >> ____ /_/_____ \_/ ) x \ \_/ >> |_____________| __// /==o==\ \\__ >> ) _________ (____/__/___( - \___\__\___________ >> || ||____ ____| __\ ________ _____ >> || || \// \ / \_ \// >> || || //\ \ / \ //\ >> || b'ger || \\/ \_/ \ \\/ >> || || /\\ \ / | /\\ >> || || \// / _ | \// >> || ||____//\________| |_____//\______ >> ||_________||______________/ |______________ >> )___________( /\_________\ >> |_____________| / | | \ >> \=/ \=/ .. . > >She looks like the singer of the band Nightwish. No, she's just awed by portions of my statue. Nat
In article <3AC...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Markus Gebhard wrote: >Henry Segerman wrote: >> :> I've not seen those before. You mean like <code><pre> stuff </pre></code> ? >> >> : Yes that's it. That doesn't make sense, and is invalid HTML. If anything, it should be "<pre><code>stuff</code></pre>", since CODE is a text-level element and may not surround a block-level element like PRE. It still doesn't make sense, though. >> : It tells the browser to use a fixed width font there. >> >> Doesn't pre do that already? Yes, it does. >No, pre only tells the browser where to keep the blanks and line >breakings like they are in the html source. Otherwise duplicate blanks >are united to a single one and line breaks are ignored. Code will make >it look like program source code - that means the browser will use a >fixed width font. Sorry, but this isn't true. The HTML standard says that browsers should render PRE blocks in a monospaced font, preserve whitespace and not wrap lines. That is not a mandatory requirement, since there are browsers for which some or all of those requirements are impossible to meet or meaningless, but all commonly used visual browsers follow it. Now, without having looked at the page we've been discussing, my guess is that the problem is that it has FONT tags inside PRE. That is not allowed in the HTML standard, precisely because it could mess with the character spacing, but many browsers accept it. Unfortunately, some will not handle it very well, and may not display the text properly as preformatted. -- Ilmari Karonen - http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ "Yes I know you can see it in MSIE, but you could feed MSIE a banana and it would think it was HTML" -- Jeff Zucker in comp.lang.perl.misc
Mark Sterk <voi...@strong.sjello.nl> wrote:
:> >
:> > Any suggestions/omissions before I put it up for inclusion
:> > in the edited guide?
:>
:> Looks OK in IE, but not in NS.
:>
:
: You have used a <front> tag after the <pre> tag this is unfortunatly an
: illegal html option, set the front size before you use the <pre> ..
: </pre> tags and your problems are gone.
This is h2g2's doing - I don't have control over the font sizes at all.
I'll mention it to them, but I wouldn't expect them to change how they deal
with pre anytime soon.
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,-. Henry Segerman
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In article <3AC...@strong.sjello.nl>, Mark Sterk wrote: > >You have used a <front> tag after the <pre> tag this is unfortunatly an >illegal html option, set the front size before you use the <pre> .. ></pre> tags and your problems are gone. > > ><font size="+1"><PRE> > > , ; , .-'"""'-. , ; , > \\|/ .' '. \|// > \-;-/ \-;-/ > // ; ; \\ > //__; :. .; ;__\\ > `-----\'.'-.....-'.'/-----' > '.'.-.-,_.'.' > jgs '( (..-' > '-' > ></PRE></font> Unfortunately that is *also* invalid HTML, and arguably even more broken than having the FONT tags inside PRE. The correct solution is to use CSS, either in the style attribute or in a full style sheet: <PRE style="font: 110% Fixedsys, monospaced;"> , ; , .-'"""'-. , ; , \\|/ .' '. \|// \-;-/ \-;-/ // ; ; \\ //__; :. .; ;__\\ `-----\'.'-.....-'.'/-----' '.'.-.-,_.'.' jgs '( (..-' '-' </PRE> -- Ilmari Karonen -- http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ "'Manners' evolve to avoid conflict in crowded situations. Usenet (and this newsgroup in particular) is crowded." -- Tad McClellan in clp.misc
Ilmari Karonen wrote: > > In article <3AC...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Markus Gebhard wrote: > >Henry Segerman wrote: > >> :> I've not seen those before. You mean like <code><pre> stuff </pre></code> ? > >> > >> : Yes that's it. > > That doesn't make sense, and is invalid HTML. If anything, it should be > "<pre><code>stuff</code></pre>", since CODE is a text-level element and > may not surround a block-level element like PRE. You are right here. > >> Doesn't pre do that already? > > Yes, it does. I have to correct you: It 'should' do it, but as we can see in NS4.76 for example, it does not work in every browser. > Sorry, but this isn't true. The HTML standard says that browsers should > render PRE blocks in a monospaced font, ... There you have it: It 'should' render... But it does not always :-( Markus
Ilmari Karonen wrote: > ... The correct solution is to use > CSS, either in the style attribute or in a full style sheet: But what about browsers that can not handle CSS? I prefer using <code><pre>, because I have not seen any browser having problems with that. It seems to work everywhere in difference to the 'leagel' versions stated in the standards. I prefer to produce things that _really work_ rather than things that _should work_. BTW: I have tested <code><pre> in many browsers (Lynx, Netscape, IE, Opera, ...) and on many platforms (Windows, Windows NT, Solaris, Linux, AIX, ...) without having any problems. Markus
[Set a monospaced font] > > >> Doesn't pre do that already? > > > > Yes, it does. > > I have to correct you: It 'should' do it, but as we can see in NS4.76 > for example, it does not work in every browser. I concur with Markus .. and I have told this in this group a long time ago, people reactions then were also that PRE should do all the work. And it does .. in most browsers. I was just not content with "most" so I added a TT : <PRE><TT>ascii-art here</TT></PRE> . CODE should work similar to TT. > > Sorry, but this isn't true. The HTML standard says that browsers should > > render PRE blocks in a monospaced font, ... > > There you have it: It 'should' render... But it does not always :-( I wish I could remember which browsers had problems. - CeeJay
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:43:49 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> provoked the following text: >> ... The correct solution is to use >> CSS, either in the style attribute or in a full style sheet: > >But what about browsers that can not handle CSS? I don't want to look stupid (but i do anyway :-)) but what browser doesn't support CSS? AFAIK all the major browsers (IE, NS, Opera) do support CSS, the only one i can think of that perhaps won't support CSS is Lynx, but since that's a text-mode browser, the font is already fixed.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:58:49 -0800, nhoop <nho...@centurytel.net> provoked the following text: >> >>> | /_ | / %%%% %%%%% >>> | ) | \ %%% ,, %%%%%%%% >>> \ / | / (< ?%%%% >>> | / | / ^ .' >>> /_/ | (_ ___ /(___ >>> | ) /\ ~ /_\ >>> \ / _/\(\_)(_/)\ \_ >>> | / /\_/ \ x / \_/\ >>> ____ /_/_____ \_/ ) x \ \_/ >>> |_____________| __// /==o==\ \\__ >>> ) _________ (____/__/___( - \___\__\___________ >>> || ||____ ____| __\ ________ _____ >>> || || \// \ / \_ \// >>> || || //\ \ / \ //\ >>> || b'ger || \\/ \_/ \ \\/ >>> || || /\\ \ / | /\\ >>> || || \// / _ | \// >>> || ||____//\________| |_____//\______ >>> ||_________||______________/ |______________ >>> )___________( /\_________\ >>> |_____________| / | | \ >>> \=/ \=/ .. . >> >>She looks like the singer of the band Nightwish. > >No, she's just awed by portions of my statue. Oh, is that what you youngsters call that bodypart nowadays?
In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote: > Henry Segerman wrote: > > : It tells the browser to use a fixed width font there. > > Doesn't pre do that already? > No, pre only tells the browser where to keep the blanks and line > breakings like they are in the html source. Otherwise duplicate blanks > are united to a single one and line breaks are ignored. Code will make > it look like program source code - that means the browser will use a > fixed width font. And when did that change? ------ snip 8<------ RFC 1866 Hypertext Markup Language - 2.0 November 1995 5.5.2. Preformatted Text: PRE The <PRE> element represents a character cell block of text and is suitable for text that has been formatted for a monospaced font. The <PRE> tag may be used with the optional WIDTH attribute. The WIDTH attribute specifies the maximum number of characters for a line and allows the HTML user agent to select a suitable font and indentation. ------>8 snip ------ Right there it clearly says the text in a pre-block is supposed to be monospaced. Elijah ------ has never seen a browser break the mono-font for <PRE> rule
Peter Punk wrote: > >But what about browsers that can not handle CSS? > > I don't want to look stupid (but i do anyway :-)) but what browser doesn't > support CSS? What about Netscape 3.0? On my notebook I still use this browser (it is a 486, it has a slow internet connection and no cd-rom - I do not wnat to install a different browser). And at university there are lots of computers with NS <4 running on AIX and Solaris. Why should I exclude people using the browser they prefer from viewing my site if I can obviously serve them quite well by this little trick <code><pre>? > AFAIK all the major browsers (IE, NS, Opera) do support CSS, the only one i can > think of that perhaps won't support CSS is Lynx, but since that's a text-mode > browser, the font is already fixed. In some browsers you can even turn off CSS support. I understand that you want to write good html code, but you have to divide between theory (standards) and practice (browsers and there way to not completly follow the standards). Markus
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Peter Punk wrote: > I don't want to look stupid (but i do anyway :-)) but what browser doesn't > support CSS? NS 4.76 again switches of CSS whenever you disable Javascript. So I see the world without CSS most of the time. :) Andreas ______________________________________________ http://www.ascii-art.de >
In article <3AC...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Markus Gebhard wrote: >Ilmari Karonen wrote: >> ... The correct solution is to use >> CSS, either in the style attribute or in a full style sheet: > >But what about browsers that can not handle CSS? They'll still show it in a monospaced font, just not necessarily the one you specified. Next question? >I prefer using <code><pre>, because I have not seen any browser having >problems with that. It seems to work everywhere in difference to the >'leagel' versions stated in the standards. Well yes, I'd expect it to. CODE is a text-level element that sets a monospaced font. PRE is a block-level element that sets a monospaced font and makes contiguous white space and linebreaks significant. Having CODE surround PRE isn't legal in HTML. However, most browsers generally try to interpret broken HTML as well as they can, instead of just barfing at the syntax error. In this case, there are two likely interpretations: a) Assume you meant <CODE></CODE><PRE>, or just ignore the misplaced CODE element. Either way, the result is the same as with just <PRE>, which is what you want. b) Assume you meant <PRE><CODE>, or assume, as some common browsers do, that you wanted the CODE element to have effect on both sides of the <PRE>. (That is known as "tag soup parsing".) But since a CODE element inside PRE is redundant, the result is the same as above. >I prefer to produce things that _really work_ rather than things that >_should work_. I, on the other hand, prefer things that work as they should, rather than things that just happen to work by coincidence. In any case, we're talking about different things. <PRE style="font: ...;"> is an answer to the question "How can I specify the font that my ASCII art should be displayed in?" <CODE><PRE> is a non-answer to the general question "How can I get my ASCII art displayed in any monospaced font at all?", for which the proper answer is "Just use <PRE>." >BTW: I have tested <code><pre> in many browsers (Lynx, Netscape, IE, >Opera, ...) and on many platforms (Windows, Windows NT, Solaris, Linux, >AIX, ...) without having any problems. Well, I wouldn't expect any. I've waved a rubber chicken over several computers too, some running Linux, some Windows and some MacOS. And at least one Amiga. I've never had any problems with that either. -- . _, .. j u s t. h o w l.i n g i n .t h e n.i g h t .. ._, . , )'' . /\_ . ' ,/\ . , ``( , _\__/ |__.'\._______,--;_'_`-.___,.______,/_,_`.__,-.__'__,/`-._,_| \____ ,_f_)\. Ilmari Karonen ilt...@sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ /(_|_,.
On 29 Mar 2001, Henry Segerman wrote: [...] > Good point, I'll do that. Hmm. The exact wordings from the terms and conditions > page on their site: > > "Where you are invited to submit any contribution to this site (including without limitation any text, graphics, video or audio) you are required by such submission to grant the BBC a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive, sublicenseable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to any such work worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any media no > w known or later developed for the full term of any rights that may exist in such content, consistent with privacy restrictions set forth in the BBC's Privacy Policy." Clearly the "better safe than sorry" aproach. > Well, to the exact wording, that means that they theoretically could use the > art in a commercial manner. If that bothers you (or anyone else) I'll take > the page down. No, no, these are two different things. I don't like their terms very much (they just got the copyright for your castle for now and forever) but maybe wouldn't mind handing over some pictures. But in your statement about the general use you could be more specific about the commercial use. :) Andreas ______________________________________________ http://www.ascii-art.de
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:04:22 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> provoked the following text: >> >But what about browsers that can not handle CSS? >> I don't want to look stupid (but i do anyway :-)) but what browser doesn't >> support CSS? >What about Netscape 3.0? On my notebook I still use this browser (it is >a 486, it has a slow internet connection and no cd-rom - I do not wnat >to install a different browser). And at university there are lots of >computers with NS <4 running on AIX and Solaris. Why should I exclude >people using the browser they prefer from viewing my site if I can >obviously serve them quite well by this little trick <code><pre>? Beats me, i'm the wrong person to ask anyway because i wasn't the one that didn't want to use only <pre> tags. >> AFAIK all the major browsers (IE, NS, Opera) do support CSS, the only one i can >> think of that perhaps won't support CSS is Lynx, but since that's a text-mode >> browser, the font is already fixed. >In some browsers you can even turn off CSS support. >I understand that you want to write good html code, I already _do_ write good HTML, ik only use _real_ HTML, not the polluted versions that MS and NS create by using their own made-up tags. I only use standard code, i don't even define fonts in my HTML! >but you have to >divide between theory (standards) and practice (browsers and there way >to not completly follow the standards). I test my code in the major browsers, IE, NS Opera and Lynx (For Win32). If someone then has a problem with my page, they should either upgrade, stay away or at least they shouldn't complain. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. If everybody minded their own business, the world would go around a deal faster. -- The Duchess, "Through the Looking Glass"
Krogg wrote: > Henry Segerman wrote: > > > > I'm in the process of writing an entry on ascii art for h2g2 (The 'Earth > > edition' of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ ) > > Suggestions please :) > > I nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall. I un-nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -
Veronica Karlsson <asc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Krogg wrote:
:> Henry Segerman wrote:
:> >
:> > I'm in the process of writing an entry on ascii art for h2g2 (The 'Earth
:> > edition' of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
:> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ )
:> > Suggestions please :)
:>
:> I nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall.
: I un-nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall.
Ok, I've removed it from the article. Hmmm. Looks like they've changed
something on the site so that PRE tags aren't working...*sigh*
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IInstead of removing ASCII-pics that aren't displayed as should on that BBC-website, you (not just Henry, but "you" as a group) could try to explain to these folks (webmasters etc.) how to display ASCII-art properly on a webpage. (guess: the <PRE> tags aren't working, because --thru CSS-- all chars are forced proportional) (ASCII-art is not just the first pictorial form of art in the digital era. It has proven to be an efficient, smart way to transport ideas, when language fails. Compositions of ASCII-art transcend dry, serial, procedural words and sentences and become rich, parallel, associative images. And it's still 7 bit. Henry Segerman wrote: > Veronica Karlsson <asc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > : Krogg wrote: > :> Henry Segerman wrote: > :> > > :> > I'm in the process of writing an entry on ascii art for h2g2 (The 'Earth > :> > edition' of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > :> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/ ) > :> > Suggestions please :) > :> > :> I nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall. > > : I un-nominate VK's version of Esher's waterfall. > > Ok, I've removed it from the article. Hmmm. Looks like they've changed > something on the site so that PRE tags aren't working...*sigh* > > -- > ,-. Henry Segerman > uewJa6aS hJuaH `-'
miK <mic@dataweb.bounce_spam.nl> wrote:
: IInstead of removing ASCII-pics that aren't displayed as should on that
: BBC-website, you (not just Henry, but "you" as a group) could try to
: explain to these folks (webmasters etc.) how to display ASCII-art
: properly on a webpage. (guess: the <PRE> tags aren't working, because
: --thru CSS-- all chars are forced proportional)
I'm not really sure whats going on there. On the edited entries I've
contributed to that have ascii art in them, the pre tags are working, eg:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A510986
So explaining to them how it works isn't necessary. Its a little annoying
for me that I can't edit stuff now since it wont view properly for me.
But at the moment, impending exams means that I won't be editing much on
there anyway. When I get more time, I'll be sure to find out what's going
on and get it sorted out.
PS, anyone remember Andrew Belsey? Just been talking with him by email...
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,-. Henry Segerman
uewJa6aS hJuaH `-'
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