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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 10 Nov 2001.
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An apple!

An apple!

alt.ascii-art · 66 messages · 10 Nov 2001 - 24 Nov 2001
An apple -- wasn't someone asking for one of these a while back?


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Sincerely, "Her Poopiness" (Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

	    .============================.
	   :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
	   ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
	    "=============. ,============"
	                   \|
	                    '      TAL

	                   `.'         

bug <bug...@akw.pl> 10 Nov 2001 12:45 · permalink · report
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:27:53 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in news:<Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca> that:

>An apple -- wasn't someone asking for one of these a while back?

[...]

Correct me if I'm wrong but all those pictures are converted, right?


Best regards/Pozdrowienia,

bug
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>On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:27:53 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in news:<Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca> that:
>
>>An apple -- wasn't someone asking for one of these a while back?
>
>[...]
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong but all those pictures are converted, right?

I think so =\
I don't know about you guys, but I sure don't consider dozens of poor
quality gifsciied pics "art".
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MJP <mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net> ASCII art 11 Nov 2001 01:44 · permalink · report
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:32:34 +0000, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:45:54 GMT, in alt.ascii-art,
> (bug <bug...@akw.pl>) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:27:53 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in news:<Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca> that:
>>
>>>An apple -- wasn't someone asking for one of these a while back?
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong but all those pictures are converted, right?
>
>Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
>ascii-art anymore.

several of us do, good bad or indifferent.

Some of us use javE tools to some extent or another, I will use the 
free hand tool for a faster result but more often than not its typed
out by hand.
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bug <bug...@akw.pl> 11 Nov 2001 08:25 · permalink · report
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:32:34 +0000, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote in news:<gc9...@4ax.com> that: 

Hello!

>>>An apple -- wasn't someone asking for one of these a while back?
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong but all those pictures are converted, right?
>
>Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
>ascii-art anymore.

There is plenty of us doing arts by hand. It's just harder and longer 
to make picture from scratch so there is so few of them on group...


Best regards/Pozdrowienia,

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, bug wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:27:53 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in news:<Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca> that:
> 
> >An apple -- wasn't someone asking for one of these a while back?
> 
> [...]
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but all those pictures are converted, right?

	Many were.  I posted those that I thought looked good and that
someone might want to use somewhere for whatever reason.  If it had been
freehand, I'd have tagged it with "TAL".

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Sincerely, "Her Poopiness" (Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

	    .============================.
	   :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
	   ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
	    "=============. ,============"
	                   \|
	                    '      TAL

	                   `.'         

bug <bug...@akw.pl> 11 Nov 2001 14:52 · permalink · report
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 06:41:28 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in news:<Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca> that: 

Hello!

>> Correct me if I'm wrong but all those pictures are converted, right?
>
>	Many were.  I posted those that I thought looked good and that
>someone might want to use somewhere for whatever reason.  If it had been
>freehand, I'd have tagged it with "TAL".

OK.


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bug
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:
>
> Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
> ascii-art anymore.

	Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
area if it is such?

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Sincerely, "Her Poopiness" (Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

	    .============================.
	   :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
	   ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
	    "=============. ,============"
	                   \|
	                    '      TAL

	                   `.'         

Mel <rrc...@hotmail.com> 12 Nov 2001 02:04 · permalink · report
"Taliszanna" <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in message
news:Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca...
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:
> > Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their
own
> > ascii-art anymore.
> Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
> area if it is such?

screw pleasing others... once you start down that slippery slope, life
becomes a nightmare...

I don't give a good goddamn what you or anyone else posts here... i take
what i want and i leave the rest...

so post ten conversions every hour... i'm happy with that... ;-)

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Mel wrote:

> "Taliszanna" <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca...
> >
> > Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
> > area if it is such?
> 
> screw pleasing others... once you start down that slippery slope, life
> becomes a nightmare...

	I know, but several people have bitched now and I'm sick of
hearing it.

> I don't give a good goddamn what you or anyone else posts here... i take
> what i want and i leave the rest...

	And that's pretty much how I am, too.

> so post ten conversions every hour... i'm happy with that... ;-)

	Cool.

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Sincerely, "Her Poopiness" (Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

	    .============================.
	   :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
	   ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
	    "=============. ,============"
	                   \|
	                    '      TAL

	                   `.'         

joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> ASCII art 12 Nov 2001 22:25 · permalink · report

Taliszanna wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:
> >
> > Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
> > ascii-art anymore.
> 
>         Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
> area if it is such?
> 

Please don't. This newsgroup isn't reserved to "hand drawn" ascii art.
I think any ascii art input is welcome. Diversity is a good thing.
Keep posting.

                     I'm not converted...
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joris

bonjour Taliszanna, je suis un robot!
>On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:
>>
>> Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
>> ascii-art anymore.
>
>	Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
>area if it is such?

Well they're kinda big and if people wanted a conversion of a pic
they'd request it or do it themselves.
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"Taliszanna (\"Her Poopiness\")" <taliszanna@usask.ca> ASCII art 13 Nov 2001 00:28 · permalink · report
joris bellenger wrote:
> 
> Taliszanna wrote:
> >
> >         Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
> > area if it is such?
> 
> Please don't. This newsgroup isn't reserved to "hand drawn" ascii art.
> I think any ascii art input is welcome. Diversity is a good thing.
> Keep posting.

         Okay -- thanks for your input, Joris.
 

>                      I'm not converted...
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>                 \_\  |' (    ~   ,)'|
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>                    /   '-, \   / ,-'      ______  \
>                   /      (//   \\)     __/     /   \
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>                   b'ger
> 


                              ^
                             /_\
                       )    /___\   (
                      /(   /_____\  )\      Give it time, dearie!
                     ( #) zz|.\/.) ( #)         ;
                      ||_zzc;  > )__||        ."
                      ||zzzzz\[]/z**'|      ."
                      |'zzzzz| |zz_*'|    ."
                      |'zzzz\ ` / ,)'|
                      |' zzz \=/  )\ |
                     _|_/ z;__/__:/ \______________
                    /   '-, \   / ,-'      ______  \
                   /       \M. .M/      __/     /   \
                                       './_____/
                   b'ger/TAL


I didn't know what to do for the hands, so...

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"Taliszanna (\"Her Poopiness\")" wrote:

> 
>                               ^
>                              /_\
>                        )    /___\   (
>                       /(   /_____\  )\      Eeerrr, does this
>                      ( #) zz|.\/.) ( #)     make me a buddhist?...
>                       ||_zzc;  > )__||        ."
>                       ||zzzzz\[]/z**'|      ."
>                       |'zzzzz| |zz_*'|    ."
>                       |'zzzz\ ` / ,)'|
>                       |' zzz \=/  )\ |
>                      _|_/ z;__/__:/ \______________
>                     /   '-, \   / ,-'      ______  \
>                    /       \M. .M/      __/     /   \
>                                        './_____/
>                    b'ger/TAL

joris

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, joris bellenger wrote:

> "Taliszanna (\"Her Poopiness\")" wrote:
> 
> > 
> >                               ^
> >                              /_\          No, but maybe Sumerian/
> >                        )    /___\   (    Babylonian... so they've
> >                       /(   /_____\  )\    been dead for thousands
> >                      ( #) zz|.\/.) ( #)    of years-- that's not
> >                       ||_zzc;  > )__||     such a dilemma, is it?
> >                       ||zzzzz\[]/z**'|               :
> >                       |'zzzzz| |zz_*'|    ...........:
> >                       |'zzzz\ ` / ,)'|
> >                       |' zzz \=/  )\ |
> >                      _|_/ z;__/__:/ \______________
> >                     /   '-, \   / ,-'      ______  \
> >                    /       \M. .M/      __/     /   \
> >                                        './_____/
> >                    b'ger/TAL
> 

-----
Sincerely, "Her Poopiness" (Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

	    .============================.
	   :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
	   ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
	    "=============. ,============"
	                   \|
	                    '      TAL

	                   `.'         

joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> ASCII art 13 Nov 2001 12:01 · permalink · report

drsquare wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:25:16 +0100, in alt.ascii-art,
>  (joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl>) wrote:
> 
> >Taliszanna wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
> >> > ascii-art anymore.
> >>
> >>         Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
> >> area if it is such?
> >
> >Please don't. This newsgroup isn't reserved to "hand drawn" ascii art.
> >I think any ascii art input is welcome. Diversity is a good thing.
> >Keep posting.
> 
> If it's converted, it's not art, just a conversion.

Let Hitory (or Time for that matter) be judge of what's art and
what's not. I don't think that what we do is -art- because there's
the word -art- in ascii art. To me, it's just drawing.
If it becomes art one day: fine with me. If it doesn't: I couldn't
care less.

For fame and money, it's probably quicker to sell your soul to
the Devil than waiting for ascii art to become art.


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		         and here.
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joris

bonjour joris bellenger, je suis un robot!
>Taliszanna wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like it. Sometimes I wonder whether anyone ever does any of their own
>> > ascii-art anymore.
>> 
>>         Would it please you if I were to mark [conversion] in the subject
>> area if it is such?
>> 
>
>Please don't. This newsgroup isn't reserved to "hand drawn" ascii art.
>I think any ascii art input is welcome. Diversity is a good thing.
>Keep posting.

It is reserved to "ascii art" though.
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> >Please don't. This newsgroup isn't reserved to "hand drawn" ascii art.
> >I think any ascii art input is welcome. Diversity is a good thing.
> >Keep posting.

> If it's converted, it's not art, just a conversion.

I think that it can only be considered art if it requires at least some measure
of skill (or luck).
Something anyone can do, is not really art.

I think all straight conversions aren't really art because you just input an
image (someone elses art) and press convert .. I can convert a gif to jpeg too
but noone would consider that conversion art.

It becomes hard to judge whether a conversion with JavE f.x. is art or not,
since JavE unlike so many other convertors allows you to convert a image in an
infinate number of ways.
I think if you spent a good deal of time tweaking the settings , making your own
shade chars, manipulating the image so it would convert well then it did require
skill on your part and can .. even if it's a conversion still be considered an
artwork.

If you diddle and tweak a conversion afterward making a more than trivial change
to the conversion, then it too requires skill and can be considered art.

So I dont consider the conversions made by TAL art, because they require no
skill to make.
I appreciate however that she does not tag theese images and tell people they
are conversion unlike so many I have seen trying to pass themselves off as
"l33t" artists with rad ascii skillz, by showing of their "art".
The ones she tag TAL and have been diddled by hand can be considered art though
and I'd like to see more of thoose - And less of the plain conversions .. at
least she could use a better convertor like JavE to make them.
It's not great art .. yet - TAL is still a newbie and it shows .. but this is
how all off us learned .. by doing more and more images.

Sincerly
CeeJay

joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> ASCII art 14 Nov 2001 12:15 · permalink · report

Bateau wrote:
> 
> bonjour joris bellenger, je suis un robot!
> >Taliszanna wrote:

> >
> >Please don't. This newsgroup isn't reserved to "hand drawn" ascii art.
> >I think any ascii art input is welcome. Diversity is a good thing.
> >Keep posting.
> 
> It is reserved to "ascii art" though.

I couldn't agree more. It is reserved to ascii art, not to "art" and
certainly not to "I_worked_three_days_on_this_piece_of_ascii_art_so
that_makes_it_more_art_than_your_ten_minutes_ascii_thingie".

A picture converted to ascii becomes ascii art and is perfectly
On Topic in this newsgroup. If some people don't like them it's
their problem. I happen to look at them carefuly, studying how
characters interact with eachother, looking for what works and
what doens't... but I don't break nobody's balls about it.

So, once and for all: Let conversions be!

                             Amen.
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                  \\_|_/ <_ _____> \______________
                   /   '-, \   / ,-'              \
                  /      (//   \\)            b'ger

joris

MJP <mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net> ASCII art 14 Nov 2001 15:36 · permalink · report
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:15:28 +0100, joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>I couldn't agree more. It is reserved to ascii art, not to "art" and
>certainly not to "I_worked_three_days_on_this_piece_of_ascii_art_so
>that_makes_it_more_art_than_your_ten_minutes_ascii_thingie".
>
>A picture converted to ascii becomes ascii art and is perfectly
>On Topic in this newsgroup. If some people don't like them it's
>their problem. I happen to look at them carefuly, studying how
>characters interact with eachother, looking for what works and
>what doens't... but I don't break nobody's balls about it.
>
>So, once and for all: Let conversions be!
>
>joris
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My 2 cents worth is this, if its strictly a conversion it may be ASCII
by default, but isnt art in the sense that it was created from the 
imagination. To me the Art comes from the creative effort of rendering 
an image from text characters, that is the "medium" of our art. It is
the imagination and talent required to create an image or concept in 
text, not the text or image alone that is the art.

That being said I do not object to the converted pictures being posted
here, and TAL doesn't claim authorship of the converted pictures, so I
don't see this being a real issue.

  .--------------------.
  |My only complaint is|
  |the ASCII/dialog    |        .--.--.
  |      ratio         |      .; .;|;. ;.
  `-------------.  ,---'     .;_;'   `;_;.
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       (         \                        )        /         )MJP
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llizard <lli...@NOPOLLUTIONwildmail.com> ASCII art 14 Nov 2001 16:12 · permalink · report
In article <3bf...@news.concentric.net>,
mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote:
[snip]
>I do not object to the converted pictures being posted
>here, and TAL doesn't claim authorship of the converted pictures, so I
>don't see this being a real issue.
>
>  .--------------------.
>  |My only complaint is|
>  |the ASCII/dialog    |        .--.--.
>  |      ratio         |      .; .;|;. ;.
>  `-------------.  ,---'     .;_;'   `;_;.
>                 \|         ; ;'       `; ;
>                  \        ;;'.--.___.--.`;;
>                           ;-(  o )=( o  )-;
>                          (   `--' | `--'   )
>                           \|     . .     |/
>             ...........    .   .:::::.   .     .______
>            /                .   '---`   .             '\
[snip]
>
>Mike

I must say that I don't usually bother looking at the conversions at
all. I have only two major objections to them being here:

/|
 |
_|_. Often there is no credit given to the original creator of
     the image being converted, whether it is a photographer
     or someone who has wielded a writing implement or someone
     who has used a computer graphics program.
 _
' )
 /
/__ . They lead to inane arguments about what can be defined as "art".



ObASCII-art:

           ____
          | ___|___
    ______||       |
    \ ____|| _ /_  | 
     \\ __||( `' ) | 
      \\\ || `~~'  |
       \\\||_______|
                 \      ha
   ________      .^%---  ha
  |________|    <   \ ha
  |________|  \/ >       Scanner....
   |     |       >
   |     |      /|^^
ejm             \ \
                                  ,
                                 ( ) <-- crabapple


Above apple taken from:

    "Dip the Apples in the Honey"

                   |
                  |  |
                     |
                 _ /_
            |   ( `' )
             |   `~~'
           |         |
            _ /_   |  |  -Lee Lawrence-
           ( `' )  _\ _
       __---`~~'--( `' )--__
      |||||||||||||||||||||||
       |  _ _ _  __   ___  |
       |  \_|_/  __|_   |  |
        \_________________/

found at Andreas Freise's wonderful ASCII-art archive:
http://www.ascii-art.de


-- 
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> >I think if you spent a good deal of time tweaking the settings , making your
own
> >shade chars, manipulating the image so it would convert well then it did
require
> >skill on your part and can .. even if it's a conversion still be considered
an
> >artwork.

> No it's not. Would you consider Leonardo da Vinci good at painting if he
> just scanned in his pictures and touched them up a bit? No, would you fuck.

If we asume that da Vinci made digital images on a PC (and he did'nt) and that
he just made a few touchups then.. no.
But if he altered great deal of the image putting in a lot of work .. then YES.
If you just scanned and then altered very little as you put it .. then no.

The fine line that decides what is and what is'nt art , in my opinion is not
judged by the tool to make with which you made it .. but by the idea , the skill
and the heart that went into creating the work.
If you make something only few people could have done , or have gotten the idea
for , it can be considered art.

This group rediddles many of the original posts .. do the diddles become less of
an artwork because they are not the original image ?
No .. because they too require a skill and/or an idea.

Besides how far do you have to be from the completed work when you begin the
work ?
Leonardo observed many of the scenes for his paintings before he painted them -
Does that make him less of an artist than for example Picasso ? (who I really
hope didn't see the scenes as he painted them , but imagened most of it)

> >If you diddle and tweak a conversion afterward making a more than trivial
change
> >to the conversion, then it too requires skill and can be considered art.
>
> No it can't, it's just a tweaked conversion.

Depends on the work you put into it , in my opinion.

> What would you say if you discovered the Mona Lisa was just made by
> paint-by-numbers? Would you still consider the bloke you painted it a great
> artist?

No , a paint-by-numbers requires no skill.

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> 15 Nov 2001 07:40 · permalink · report
>This group rediddles many of the original posts .. do the diddles become less of
>an artwork because they are not the original image ?
>No .. because they too require a skill and/or an idea.
>
>Besides how far do you have to be from the completed work when you begin the
>work ?
>Leonardo observed many of the scenes for his paintings before he painted them -
>Does that make him less of an artist than for example Picasso ? (who I really
>hope didn't see the scenes as he painted them , but imagened most of it)

I see tali as kind of an "idea giver" to us... when theres a cool
image i'll try remaking it by hand with shade and so on to improve my
skills...

say what you want, i aprechiate tali's work for us :) even if it
doesnt give any ideas but is just nice to look at.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, CeeJay wrote:

> I think that it can only be considered art if it requires at least some 
> measure of skill (or luck).
> Something anyone can do, is not really art.

	Then you are not going to like my opinion of ascii-art: I *do* 
think that anyone can do it.  One just has to learn which pieces look
better instead of others.  There isn't a lot of skill in that.

> I think all straight conversions aren't really art because you just input an
> image (someone elses art) 

	At present, yes, they are graphics that are often made by
others -- but not always.  I would use more of own original art had I a
scanner of any type.  :/  For now, the images of mine that I have
converted were made on the computer.

> So I dont consider the conversions made by TAL art, because they require no
> skill to make.
> I appreciate however that she does not tag theese images and tell people they
> are conversion unlike so many I have seen trying to pass themselves off as
> "l33t" artists with rad ascii skillz, by showing of their "art".

	[**nods**]  It would be dishonesty and that's not my style.

> The ones she tag TAL and have been diddled by hand can be considered art 
> though and I'd like to see more of thoose - And less of the plain
> conversions 

	As I've said before: the ratio of "free-hand" ASCII pics to
converted pics would be higher if it did not take me so long.  You will
see the free-hand ones whenever I finish them and no sooner.  In the
meantime, I will continue to share what converted pics I think others
would like.  If you don't like them, that is too bad...

-----
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http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

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"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> 15 Nov 2001 08:23 · permalink · report
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:58:50 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, CeeJay wrote:
>
>> I think that it can only be considered art if it requires at least some 
>> measure of skill (or luck).
>> Something anyone can do, is not really art.
>
>	Then you are not going to like my opinion of ascii-art: I *do* 
>think that anyone can do it.  One just has to learn which pieces look
>better instead of others.  There isn't a lot of skill in that.

disagree:
a painter does very much the same.. he looks where what brush or tool
makes the lines that fit better in a certain color and technique..

many ascii artists have developed their own style like joris (the man
at the bar with the cat) or VeeJay ... wich gives their images kind of
an identity so i think the art can be considered the looking for
pieces wich look better instead of others with ones own style...

i hope you get my cunfusing/confused english :)

> >This group rediddles many of the original posts .. do the diddles become less
of
> >an artwork because they are not the original image ?
> >No .. because they too require a skill and/or an idea.
> >
> >Besides how far do you have to be from the completed work when you begin the
> >work ?
> >Leonardo observed many of the scenes for his paintings before he painted
them -
> >Does that make him less of an artist than for example Picasso ? (who I really
> >hope didn't see the scenes as he painted them , but imagened most of it)
>
> I see tali as kind of an "idea giver" to us... when theres a cool
> image i'll try remaking it by hand with shade and so on to improve my
> skills...
>
> say what you want, i aprechiate tali's work for us :) even if it
> doesnt give any ideas but is just nice to look at.

I DO appreciate the pieces that spings ideas.
And I don't have a strong dislike for Tal's conversions, I'm just saying they
are not art , but ascii reproductions of an original image.
I still enjoy looking at some of them (as long as she does'nt flood the group
with them)

I have nothing personal against Tal either .. I like Tal .. I think she's a
weird nutcase .. but I like her.
And hey .. most of us here are weird nuts - I know I am ;)

I really should not add to this fruitless discussion but
here we go:

On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, CeeJay wrote:
[...]
> >	Then you are not going to like my opinion of ascii-art: I *do* 
> >think that anyone can do it.  One just has to learn which pieces look
> >better instead of others.  There isn't a lot of skill in that.
> 
> disagree:
> a painter does very much the same.. he looks where what brush or tool
> makes the lines that fit better in a certain color and technique..

I don't know how to create art and don't know anyone who knows. 
I know that not _everybody_ can do Ascii `Art' - but almost.
Then again, I know that many `painters' or some other dead people who
are regarded as `great artists' have used all the tools they could
lay there hands on. Many thought that to be an essential part of their
mission - to discover, test and use every possibel helper.

And some of my even more personal opinions:
I never understood the extreme dislike for conversions that is
shown from time to time by some people (even by prominent regulars
sometimes). I do enjoy tiny outline drawings more, but I like converted
art more than mindless blabla because the pictures I can look at and the
balbla I have to read, which is much more exhausting. Know what I
mean? ;)


Andreas

________________________________________________ http://www.ascii-art.de

Poster <NOS...@POSTER.net> ASCII art 15 Nov 2001 12:06 · permalink · report
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"CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> wrote in message
news:3bf38eaa$0$378$edf...@dspool01.news.tele.dk...
> > >This group rediddles many of the original posts .. do the diddles
become less
> of
> > >an artwork because they are not the original image ?
> > >No .. because they too require a skill and/or an idea.
> > >
> > >Besides how far do you have to be from the completed work when you
begin the
> > >work ?
> > >Leonardo observed many of the scenes for his paintings before he
painted
> them -
> > >Does that make him less of an artist than for example Picasso ? (who I
really
> > >hope didn't see the scenes as he painted them , but imagened most of
it)
> >
> > I see tali as kind of an "idea giver" to us... when theres a cool
> > image i'll try remaking it by hand with shade and so on to improve my
> > skills...
> >
> > say what you want, i aprechiate tali's work for us :) even if it
> > doesnt give any ideas but is just nice to look at.
>
> I DO appreciate the pieces that spings ideas.
> And I don't have a strong dislike for Tal's conversions, I'm just saying
they
> are not art , but ascii reproductions of an original image.
> I still enjoy looking at some of them (as long as she does'nt flood the
group
> with them)
>
> I have nothing personal against Tal either .. I like Tal .. I think she's
a
> weird nutcase .. but I like her.
> And hey .. most of us here are weird nuts - I know I am ;)
>
>

joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> ASCII art 15 Nov 2001 12:21 · permalink · report
Andreas Freise wrote:
[snip]
> I do enjoy tiny outline drawings more, but I like converted
> art more than mindless blabla because the pictures I can look at and
> the balbla I have to read, which is much more exhausting. Know what I
> mean? ;)
> 
> Andreas

      Eerrr no, what
      do you mean?          __
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joris

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:59:46 +0100, "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt>
provoked the following text:

>> What would you say if you discovered the Mona Lisa was just made by
>> paint-by-numbers? Would you still consider the bloke you painted it a great
>> artist?
>
>No , a paint-by-numbers requires no skill.

HAVE YOU ANY IDEA AS TO HOW HARD IT IS TO STAY WITHIN THOSE D*MN LINES? :-)))
-- 
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Castrate my email adress to reply.

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bonjour drsquare, je suis un robot!
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:09:10 +0100, in alt.ascii-art,
> ("CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt>) wrote:
>
>>It becomes hard to judge whether a conversion with JavE f.x. is art or not,
>>since JavE unlike so many other convertors allows you to convert a image in an
>>infinate number of ways.
>>I think if you spent a good deal of time tweaking the settings , making your own
>>shade chars, manipulating the image so it would convert well then it did require
>>skill on your part and can .. even if it's a conversion still be considered an
>>artwork.
>
>No it's not. Would you consider Leonardo da Vinci good at painting if he
>just scanned in his pictures and touched them up a bit? No, would you fuck.
>
>>If you diddle and tweak a conversion afterward making a more than trivial change
>>to the conversion, then it too requires skill and can be considered art.
>
>No it can't, it's just a tweaked conversion. 

It's like what Trans does.
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bonjour CeeJay, je suis un robot!
>> >I think if you spent a good deal of time tweaking the settings , making your
>own
>> >shade chars, manipulating the image so it would convert well then it did
>require
>> >skill on your part and can .. even if it's a conversion still be considered
>an
>> >artwork.
>
>> No it's not. Would you consider Leonardo da Vinci good at painting if he
>> just scanned in his pictures and touched them up a bit? No, would you fuck.
>
>If we asume that da Vinci made digital images on a PC (and he did'nt) and that
>he just made a few touchups then.. no.
>But if he altered great deal of the image putting in a lot of work .. then YES.
>If you just scanned and then altered very little as you put it .. then no.

Would an art gallery specialising in paintings take it?

>The fine line that decides what is and what is'nt art , in my opinion is not
>judged by the tool to make with which you made it .. but by the idea , the skill
>and the heart that went into creating the work.

All ZERO when pics are converted.
Converting gifs requires NO ascii art talent at all.
It requires a tiny amount of converting talent, which isn't what this
group is about.

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|    ='-     \=~_) ;  .\ ~^~~^~   ` (_~_/        `'--'`  `~~~~)_)=\_\-.(
|             -'=      .\    ~^~    ~^~~^~
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bonjour Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt, je suis un robot!
>>This group rediddles many of the original posts .. do the diddles become less of
>>an artwork because they are not the original image ?
>>No .. because they too require a skill and/or an idea.
>>
>>Besides how far do you have to be from the completed work when you begin the
>>work ?
>>Leonardo observed many of the scenes for his paintings before he painted them -
>>Does that make him less of an artist than for example Picasso ? (who I really
>>hope didn't see the scenes as he painted them , but imagened most of it)
>
>I see tali as kind of an "idea giver" to us... when theres a cool
>image i'll try remaking it by hand with shade and so on to improve my
>skills...
>
>say what you want, i aprechiate tali's work for us :) even if it
>doesnt give any ideas but is just nice to look at.

You think her converted pics are nice to look at?
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|    ='-     \=~_) ;  .\ ~^~~^~   ` (_~_/        `'--'`  `~~~~)_)=\_\-.(
|             -'=      .\    ~^~    ~^~~^~
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bonjour Taliszanna, je suis un robot!
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, CeeJay wrote:
>
>> I think that it can only be considered art if it requires at least some 
>> measure of skill (or luck).
>> Something anyone can do, is not really art.
>
>	Then you are not going to like my opinion of ascii-art: I *do* 
>think that anyone can do it.  One just has to learn which pieces look
>better instead of others.  There isn't a lot of skill in that.

And there is none of that skill in making conversions.

>> I think all straight conversions aren't really art because you just input an
>> image (someone elses art) 
>
>	At present, yes, they are graphics that are often made by
>others -- but not always.  I would use more of own original art had I a
>scanner of any type.  :/  For now, the images of mine that I have
>converted were made on the computer.

So the only skill that you use when you convert the pictures is the
skill in making the original images. Maybe you should be in a
different art group.

>> So I dont consider the conversions made by TAL art, because they require no
>> skill to make.
>> I appreciate however that she does not tag theese images and tell people they
>> are conversion unlike so many I have seen trying to pass themselves off as
>> "l33t" artists with rad ascii skillz, by showing of their "art".
>
>	[**nods**]  It would be dishonesty and that's not my style.
>
>> The ones she tag TAL and have been diddled by hand can be considered art 
>> though and I'd like to see more of thoose - And less of the plain
>> conversions 
>
>	As I've said before: the ratio of "free-hand" ASCII pics to
>converted pics would be higher if it did not take me so long.  You will
>see the free-hand ones whenever I finish them and no sooner.  In the
>meantime, I will continue to share what converted pics I think others
>would like.  If you don't like them, that is too bad...

I guess it's time for us to start posting MP3s and JPGs then.
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|    ='-     \=~_) ;  .\ ~^~~^~   ` (_~_/        `'--'`  `~~~~)_)=\_\-.(
|             -'=      .\    ~^~    ~^~~^~
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Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 05:05 · permalink · report
                                    +
                          AAAAAAAAA/_\AAAAAA    
                          | ____  /___\ __ |    If b'ger does not mind, I
                          ||___  /_____\ _||     would like to name this
                          | __  zz| JJ | _ |    character, having in mind
                          ||_  zzc;  7 ) _||          "Grizselda".
                          | _ zzzzz\O_/z _ |               .
                          ||_ zzzzz| |zzz_||    ...........:
                          | _ zzzz\ ` / ,) |
                          ||__ zzz \=/  )\ |
                       ___|___/ z;__/__:/ \|________
                      /       '-, \   / ,-'     ,   \
                     /           \M. .M/      (K )   \
                    /                          ^^     \
                    #### b'ger/TAL ####################

-----
Sincerely, TAL.
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:

> No it's not. Would you consider Leonardo da Vinci good at painting if he
> just scanned in his pictures and touched them up a bit? No, would you fuck.
> 
----[brevity snip]----

> What would you say if you discovered the Mona Lisa was just made by
> paint-by-numbers? Would you still consider the bloke you painted it a great
> artist?
> 

	You are saying that you believe ascii-art to be comparable to the
Mona Lisa and da Vinci's work?  If that is the case, I find it hilarious.

TAL

Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 08:59 · permalink · report
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:58:50 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> >	Then you are not going to like my opinion of ascii-art: I *do* 
> >think that anyone can do it.  One just has to learn which pieces look
> >better instead of others.  There isn't a lot of skill in that.
> 
> disagree:
> a painter does very much the same.. he looks where what brush or tool
> makes the lines that fit better in a certain color and technique..
> 
> many ascii artists have developed their own style like joris (the man
> at the bar with the cat) or VeeJay ... wich gives their images kind of
> an identity so i think the art can be considered the looking for
> pieces wich look better instead of others with ones own style...

	Hmm... okay, that's food for thought.  I'll bounce that around my
noggin' for a bit.  For me, this is just a fun hobby.

> i hope you get my cunfusing/confused english :)

	It doesn't confuse me.  Marquardt... c'est francais?

  .   .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
 0=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=-
  '   '   '     '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '

                        Sincerely, "Her Poopiness"
            (a.k.a Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
                   http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 09:41 · permalink · report
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:

> I see tali as kind of an "idea giver" to us... when theres a cool
> image i'll try remaking it by hand with shade and so on to improve my
> skills...
> 
> say what you want, i aprechiate tali's work for us :) even if it
> doesnt give any ideas but is just nice to look at.
> 

	  ,qppppp.     
	 qMMM____;M      
	 qMMM.^^(Mp      Thank you, dear 'lasty', for
	.qMMM__,/Mp     your view on things. 
	MMMMM_'YMMp      
	dMMMM   YMMp               :
	dMMMp    ):#   ...........'
	T  |    / :
	A   \^^^A  \  
	L____\  :|__\
	 / ,'   :| '
	/       +|  

  .   .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
 0=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=- 0+=-
  '   '   '     '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '    '

                        Sincerely, "Her Poopiness"
            (a.k.a Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
                   http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .============================.
           :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
           ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
            "=============. ,============"
                           \|
                            '      TAL

                           `.'

Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 10:38 · permalink · report
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, joris bellenger wrote:

>       Eerrr no, what
>       do you mean?          __
>          |              \__/ .>
>          \               \_)_/
>           \     `,        \\
>              9 9 #         .   /_,/\
>              |/  ?         |_ /"   (
>              | o )\          .Y___ /
>              /__/\ \____         \(__
>         ,-   /   \_/    \        /  (\
>       |/|   / < _____ _> \       |. ||\
>      -|.|--/___/  ,___/___\------'-----'
>       '-'      |\/           b'ger
> 
     Er, wot is that thing in Ralph's mouth?  A cigarette with strange
smoke or a bird on a perch -- that happens to be hanging from Ralph's
mouth?  [**LOL**]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .============================.
           :   Jolt Cola: tastes filthy,  :
           ;  kicks like a mule on speed. ;
            "=============. ,============"
                           \|
                            '      TAL

                           `.'

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 11:56 · permalink · report
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:41:10 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:
>
>> I see tali as kind of an "idea giver" to us... when theres a cool
>> image i'll try remaking it by hand with shade and so on to improve my
>> skills...
>> 
>> say what you want, i aprechiate tali's work for us :) even if it
>> doesnt give any ideas but is just nice to look at.
>> 
>
>	  ,qppppp.     
>	 qMMM____;M      
>	 qMMM.^^(Mp      Thank you, dear 'lasty', for
>	.qMMM__,/Mp     your view on things. 
>	MMMMM_'YMMp      
>	dMMMM   YMMp               :
>	dMMMp    ):#   ...........'
>	T  |    / :
>	A   \^^^A  \  
>	L____\  :|__\
>	 / ,'   :| '
>	/       +|  


Great work Tali!! but i have one question.....











                         ,--------------------.        \\\||///
            ,qppppp.    . W- WHY ARE YOU SO... .       |- -. '|
           qMMM____;M   '     S-M-A-L-L ??     '      (o(o )  | |.
           qMMM.''(Mp    `--------------------'        (_     |
          .qMMM__c/Mp                          \       '---.  |
          MMMMM_'YMMp   ''''''''.               `.__    ____) '
          dMMMM   YMMp           :                      \__  /
          dMMMp    ):#                                  ,-`--'-.
          T  |    / :        Hey i'm as tall as        /        \ |
          A   \^^^A  \      you! don't you play     .| ||      ||
          L____\  :|__\     with my perspective        ||      ||
__________ / ,'   :|_'______     ever again you        ||      ||
          /_______+|        \          bastard!        ||      ||
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        MMMMM_'YMMp   /                    .'       |            |
        dMMMM   YMMp '             :       |        |            \
        dMMMp    ):#/  ...........'        |                      |
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        L____\  :|__\                     |      |   ||||          '.
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 '                                     |        (_____|__|
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|( .).)|   `---------------------------'         soon to be revealed
|   _) | _____,'                                      alt.ascii-art

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 12:00 · permalink · report
>> i hope you get my cunfusing/confused english :)
>
>	It doesn't confuse me.  Marquardt... c'est francais?

NON c'est ne pas francais c'est alemand. Ma francais est terrible.

it's german and comes from a profession wich was written Mark-Wart
earlier ..it's a person who pays attention to a certain area of land.

but i don't it's just my name ;)

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joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 13:27 · permalink · report
Taliszanna wrote:
> 
>                                     +
>                           AAAAAAAAA/_\AAAAAA
>                           | ____  /___\ __ |    If b'ger does not mind, I
>                           ||___  /_____\ _||     would like to name this
>                           | __  zz| JJ | _ |    character, having in mind
>                           ||_  zzc;  7 ) _||          "Grizselda".
>                           | _ zzzzz\O_/z _ |               .
>                           ||_ zzzzz| |zzz_||    ...........:
>                           | _ zzzz\ ` / ,) |
>                           ||__ zzz \=/  )\ |
>                        ___|___/ z;__/__:/ \|________
>                       /       '-, \   / ,-'     ,   \
>                      /           \M. .M/      (K )   \
>                     /                          ^^     \
>                     #### b'ger/TAL ####################


        Grizselda? Sure
           why not.
             \           Fine with me too...
                 `,           \
              9 9 #             /_,/\
              |/  ?            /=   (
              | o )\          .Y___ /
              /__/\ \____         \(__
         ,-   /   \_/    \        /  (\
       |/|   / < _____ _> \       |. ||\
      -|.|--/___/  ,___/___\------'-----'
       '-'      |\/           b'ger

:)
joris

Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 16:40 · permalink · report
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Bateau wrote:
>
> I guess it's time for us to start posting MP3s and JPGs then.

	And could you drive that stick up your ass any farther? Chill out
already and have some tea -- it would do you some good to get a bit more
positive in general.

OBASCII:


                                .-.
                               {{@}}
               <>               8@8
             .::::.             888
         @\\/W\/\/W\//@         8@8
          \\/^\/\/^\//     _    )8(    _
           \_O_<>_O_/     (@)__/8@8\__(@)
      ____________________ `~"-=):(=-"~`
     |<><><>  |  |  <><><>|     |.|
     |<>      |  |      <>|     |S|
     |<>      |  |      <>|     |'|
     |<>   .--------.   <>|     |.|
     |     |   ()   |     |     |P|
     |_____| (O\/O) |_____|     |'|
     |     \   /\   /     |     |.|
     |------\  \/  /------|     |U|
     |       '.__.'       |     |'|
     |        |  |        |     |.|
     :        |  |        :     |N|
      \<>     |  |     <>/      |'|
       \<>    |  |    <>/       |.|
        \<>   |  |   <>/        |K|
         `\<> |  | <>/'         |'|
     jgs   `-.|  |.-`           \ /
              '--'               ^


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Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .====================.
           :  Hint: don't whiz on :
           ;  the electric fence! ;
            "=========. ,========"
                       \|
                        '      TAL
                       `.'

Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 16 Nov 2001 19:16 · permalink · report
	[**LMAO!**]  Lasty, that was very funny! I scared my cat when I
suddenly laughed!  [**hee hee**]  She's still looking at me, wondering
what the hell is so g-d/damned funny...  Probably thinks I've smoked:


                  |                     
                 |.|                    
                 |.|                    
                |\./|                   
                |\./|                   
.               |\./|               .   
 \^.\          |\\.//|          /.^/    
  \--.|\       |\\.//|       /|.--/     
    \--.| \    |\\.//|    / |.--/       
     \---.|\    |\./|    /|.---/        
        \--.|\  |\./|  /|.--/           
           \ .\  |.|  /. /              
 _ -_^_^_^_-  \ \\ // /  -_^_^_^_- _    
   - -/_/_/- ^ ^  |  ^ ^ -\_\_\- -  


SOURCE: http://www.chris.com/ascii/

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Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .====================.
           :  Hint: don't whiz on :
           ;  the electric fence! ;
            "=========. ,========"
                       \|
                        '      TAL
                       `.'

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:

> NON c'est ne pas francais c'est alemand. Ma francais est terrible.

	Oopsie!  Sorry!  hey, I just remembered: there is some German in
my (step)dad's family.  It wasn't Quaker but... argh, I can't remember.
I'll have to ask him later when he comes home from work.

> it's german and comes from a profession wich was written Mark-Wart
> earlier ..it's a person who pays attention to a certain area of land.
> 
> but i don't it's just my name ;)

	You mean... kinda like how I'm not brown.  :)

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .====================.
           :  Hint: don't whiz on :
           ;  the electric fence! ;
            "=========. ,========"
                       \|
                        '      TAL
                       `.'

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, drsquare wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:09:23 -0600, in alt.ascii-art,
>  (Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>) wrote:
> 
> >	You are saying that you believe ascii-art to be comparable to the
> >Mona Lisa and da Vinci's work?  If that is the case, I find it hilarious.
> 
> I'd like to see da Vinci draw some decent ascii-art. I bet he couldn't.
> Ascii-art is much more difficult than painting.

	I greatly disagree with that statement... ascii-art isn't more
difficult than painting, IMO.  Also, da Vinci may have had numbers but I
don't believe that ascii-art was in creation yet.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .====================.
           :  Hint: don't whiz on :
           ;  the electric fence! ;
            "=========. ,========"
                       \|
                        '      TAL
                       `.'

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 17 Nov 2001 00:08 · permalink · report
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:24:57 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:
>
>> NON c'est ne pas francais c'est alemand. Ma francais est terrible.
>
>	Oopsie!  Sorry!  hey, I just remembered: there is some German in
>my (step)dad's family.  It wasn't Quaker but... argh, I can't remember.
>I'll have to ask him later when he comes home from work.
>
>> it's german and comes from a profession wich was written Mark-Wart
>> earlier ..it's a person who pays attention to a certain area of land.
>> 
>> but i don't it's just my name ;)
>
>	You mean... kinda like how I'm not brown.  :)

'xactly!

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|( .).)|   `---------------------------'         soon to be revealed
|   _) | _____,'                                      alt.ascii-art

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 17 Nov 2001 00:09 · permalink · report
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:16:44 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
wrote:

>
>	[**LMAO!**]  Lasty, that was very funny! I scared my cat when I
>suddenly laughed!  [**hee hee**]  She's still looking at me, wondering
>what the hell is so g-d/damned funny...  Probably thinks I've smoked:

HAHAHAHHhh...
it wasn't ralf was it? ;)

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| ,- -.|  ( DON'T TELL ME HE.. OH NO!!! )             INSOMNIA part 6
|( .).)|   `---------------------------'         soon to be revealed
|   _) | _____,'                                      alt.ascii-art

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:16:44 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >	[**LMAO!**]  Lasty, that was very funny! I scared my cat when I
> >suddenly laughed!  [**hee hee**]  She's still looking at me, wondering
> >what the hell is so g-d/damned funny...  Probably thinks I've smoked:
> 
> HAHAHAHHhh...
> it wasn't ralf was it? ;)

	No, it was das kitti-kat:

http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/images/photos/Kitty01.jpg

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

            .====================.
           :  Hint: don't whiz on :
           ;  the electric fence! ;
            "=========. ,========"
                       \|
                        '      TAL
                       `.'

Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 17 Nov 2001 02:14 · permalink · report
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, CeeJay wrote:

> I like Tal .. I think she's a weird nutcase .. but I like her.
> And hey .. most of us here are weird nuts - I know I am ;)

	Heh, yeah, nutty... that's me all right!


OBASCII:  "Giant Pochacco"
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                                                8888888
                                                8888888
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                                   ,d88         8888888
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                           (8888\ 88' d888)     Y8888P
                           ___~~8 ~8  88~___    d8888
  _______              ,8888888        ~ 888888_8888
,8888888888===__    _,d88P~~               ~~Y88888'
88888888888888888888888'                        `88b
8888888888888888888888P                          Y88
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|       "888888888            GIANT POCHACCO!                         |
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|                       SOURCE: http://www.chris.com/                 |
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| CREDITS:                                                            |
|   Pochacco: Galen Tatsuo Komatsu <gko...@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>  |
|   Kitty: apparently by "B.K.Bullock" <B.K...@durham.ac.uk>,    |
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http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

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           ;  the electric fence! ;
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                       \|
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                       `.'

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Taliszanna wrote:

> 	Oopsie!  Sorry!  hey, I just remembered: there is some German in
> my (step)dad's family.  It wasn't Quaker but... argh, I can't remember.
> I'll have to ask him later when he comes home from work.

	Amish, there we go.

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Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

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           ;  the electric fence! ;
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                       `.'

Poster <NOS...@POSTER.net> 17 Nov 2001 07:29 · permalink · report
Quaker -> Is it a person who Plays Quake???

?:) [Lol]

"Taliszanna" <tal...@usask.ca> wrote in message
news:Pin...@chem4823.usask.ca...
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Taliszanna wrote:
>
> > Oopsie!  Sorry!  hey, I just remembered: there is some German in
> > my (step)dad's family.  It wasn't Quaker but... argh, I can't remember.
> > I'll have to ask him later when he comes home from work.
>
> Amish, there we go.
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
> http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/
>
>             .====================.
>            :  Hint: don't whiz on :
>            ;  the electric fence! ;
>             "=========. ,========"
>                        \|
>                         '      TAL
>                        `.'
>
>

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 17 Nov 2001 11:47 · permalink · report
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:22:57 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Taliszanna wrote:
>
>> 	Oopsie!  Sorry!  hey, I just remembered: there is some German in
>> my (step)dad's family.  It wasn't Quaker but... argh, I can't remember.
>> I'll have to ask him later when he comes home from work.
>
>	Amish, there we go.

you mean amish people originate from germans? ...ewww.. i don't like
those amish happy happy joy joy we're still medieval people :(

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joris bellenger <svz...@xs4all.nl> ASCII art 17 Nov 2001 16:15 · permalink · report

drsquare wrote:
> 
> But would you have seen him in the same light if he'd done all his
> paintings as paint by numbers?

Andy Warhol made some paintings by numbers in the early 60's.
He left some part blank so you can see the numbers. Does it mean
that it is less "art" than Da Vinci's paintings?

>  And what was stopping him doing pictures using fixed width letters?

The fact that no one had designed a fixed width font at the time?

joris

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bonjour Taliszanna, je suis un robot!
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Bateau wrote:
>>
>> I guess it's time for us to start posting MP3s and JPGs then.
>
>	And could you drive that stick up your ass any farther? Chill out
>already and have some tea -- it would do you some good to get a bit more
>positive in general.

If you're never going to post anything but stupid insults then shut
your fucking face.
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"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 18 Nov 2001 17:07 · permalink · report
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:21:45 +0800, Bateau
<Its...@Not-A-Real-Address.com> wrote:

>bonjour Taliszanna, je suis un robot!
>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Bateau wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess it's time for us to start posting MP3s and JPGs then.
>>
>>	And could you drive that stick up your ass any farther? Chill out
>>already and have some tea -- it would do you some good to get a bit more
>>positive in general.
>
>If you're never going to post anything but stupid insults then shut
>your fucking face.

those remarks are exactly what she is referring to in the post you
just answered...

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Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 19 Nov 2001 11:24 · permalink · report
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:22:57 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> >	Amish, there we go.
> 
> you mean amish people originate from germans? ...ewww.. i don't like
> those amish happy happy joy joy we're still medieval people :(

	LOL -- happy happy, joy joy?  The Amish?  That's funny!


OBASCII:  http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/ab/3D.txt

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Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 19 Nov 2001 12:13 · permalink · report
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, joris bellenger wrote:

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>        ||.........     *  ......|          @@@@@@@
>        ||........     -^........|   ,      - @@@@
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>        ||....########\ \((#.....|  _\\  (/ ) @\_/)____
>        ||..####,   ))/ ##.......|   |(__/ /     /|% #/
>        ||..#####      '####.....|    \___/ ----/_|-*/
>        ||..#####\____/#####.....|       ,:   '(
>        ||...######..######......|       |:     \
>        ||.....""""  """"...b'ger|       |:      )
>        [|_______________________|       |:      |
>               H||_______H||             |_____,_|
>               H||________\|              |   / (
>               H||       H||              |  /\  )
>               H||       H||              (  \| /
>              _H||_______H||__            |  /'=.
>            H|________________|           '=>/  \
>                                         /  \ /|/
>                                       ,___/|


	Excellent... but why do I think she's French?


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Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 19 Nov 2001 13:02 · permalink · report
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Poster wrote:

> Quaker -> Is it a person who Plays Quake???
> 
> ?:) [Lol]

	Heh, no.  A Quaker is this: 

http://www.religioustolerance.org/quaker.htm
http://www.afsc.org/qic.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/shakers.htm


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    (_-.-_)       /|'.'|\       (_'.'_)
  mrf.\-/.        \)\-/(/        ,-.-.
  __/ /-. \__   __/ ' ' \__   __/'-'-'\__
 ( (___/___) ) ( (_/-._\_) ) ( (_/   \_) )
  '.Oo___oO.'   '.Oo___oO.'   '.Oo___oO.'

  see no evil   hear no evil  talk no evil


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http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

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Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca> ASCII art 19 Nov 2001 13:34 · permalink · report
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Bateau wrote:
> 
> If you're never going to post anything but stupid insults then shut
> your fucking face.

	That was what I was trying to convey to you because all that you
could do was complain.


OBASCII: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/s/satan.txt

 
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                             sSsSs
                              sSs
                               s



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Sincerely, Tali  (a.k.a Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax)
http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/

"Examine what is said, not who speaks."
                  -- Arabian Proverb

bonjour Peter "lastfuture" Marquardt, je suis un robot!
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:21:45 +0800, Bateau
><Its...@Not-A-Real-Address.com> wrote:
>>bonjour Taliszanna, je suis un robot!
>>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Bateau wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess it's time for us to start posting MP3s and JPGs then.
>>>
>>>	And could you drive that stick up your ass any farther? Chill out
>>>already and have some tea -- it would do you some good to get a bit more
>>>positive in general.
>>
>>If you're never going to post anything but stupid insults then shut
>>your fucking face.
>
>those remarks are exactly what she is referring to in the post you
>just answered...

I made "those remarks" after she "referred" to whatever she was
babbling about you lunatic.
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bonjour Taliszanna, je suis un robot!
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Bateau wrote:
>> If you're never going to post anything but stupid insults then shut
>> your fucking face.
>
>	That was what I was trying to convey to you because all that you
>could do was complain.

What a load of nonsensical garbage.
All you can do is press "convert".
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Taliszanna wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, joris bellenger wrote:
> 
> >                    _
> >                   H||
> >                   H||
> >         __________H||___________
> >        [|.......................|
> >        ||.........## --.#.......|
> >        ||.........   #  # ......|            @@@@
> >        ||.........     *  ......|          @@@@@@@
> >        ||........     -^........|   ,      - @@@@
> >        ||.....##\        .......|   |     '_ @@@
> >        ||....#####     /###.....|   |     __\@ \@
> >        ||....########\ \((#.....|  _\\  (/ ) @\_/)____
> >        ||..####,   ))/ ##.......|   |(__/ /     /|% #/
> >        ||..#####      '####.....|    \___/ ----/_|-*/
> >        ||..#####\____/#####.....|       ,:   '(
> >        ||...######..######......|       |:     \
> >        ||.....""""  """"...b'ger|       |:      )
> >        [|_______________________|       |:      |
> >               H||_______H||             |_____,_|
> >               H||________\|              |   / (
> >               H||       H||              |  /\  )
> >               H||       H||              (  \| /
> >              _H||_______H||__            |  /'=.
> >            H|________________|           '=>/  \
> >                                         /  \ /|/
> >                                       ,___/|
> 
>         Excellent... but why do I think she's French?
> 

Dunno. Maybe because she wears Chanel nr5?
:-)

joris

"Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <lastfuture@lastfuture.de> ASCII art 20 Nov 2001 16:07 · permalink · report
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:13:48 -0600, Taliszanna <tal...@usask.ca>
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, joris bellenger wrote:
>
>>                    _
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>>        [|.......................|
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>>        ||.........   #  # ......|            @@@@
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>>        ||........     -^........|   ,      - @@@@
>>        ||.....##\        .......|   |     '_ @@@
>>        ||....#####     /###.....|   |     __\@ \@
>>        ||....########\ \((#.....|  _\\  (/ ) @\_/)____
>>        ||..####,   ))/ ##.......|   |(__/ /     /|% #/
>>        ||..#####      '####.....|    \___/ ----/_|-*/
>>        ||..#####\____/#####.....|       ,:   '(
>>        ||...######..######......|       |:     \
>>        ||.....""""  """"...b'ger|       |:      )
>>        [|_______________________|       |:      |
>>               H||_______H||             |_____,_|
>>               H||________\|              |   / (
>>               H||       H||              |  /\  )
>>               H||       H||              (  \| /
>>              _H||_______H||__            |  /'=.
>>            H|________________|           '=>/  \
>>                                         /  \ /|/
>>                                       ,___/|
>
>
>	Excellent... but why do I think she's French?

cause she wears such a short (and i assume expensive) dress for
painting?

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Veronica Karlsson <asc...@hotmail.com> ASCII art 24 Nov 2001 19:32 · permalink · report
MJP wrote:
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MJP <mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net> ASCII art 24 Nov 2001 19:58 · permalink · report
On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:32:45 +0000, Veronica Karlsson <asc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>MJP wrote:
>>   .--------------------.
>>   |My only complaint is|
>>   |the ASCII/dialog    |        .--.--.
>>   |      ratio         |      .; .;|;. ;.
>>   `-------------.  ,---'     .;_;'   `;_;.
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>>             /                .   '---`   .             '\
>>            .'                 `.       .'                \
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