anyone remember someone called 'grumps'?

I visited the following website:
http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4047
Galleria des Moos....

I have found several pics that I **KNOW** that someone else created...
and they are now signed by 'grumps'

ie:
http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4047
I know this pic was made by B'ger
although it states "Lucifer's Pic was created by grumps. "

and
http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/2740
This was also created by B'ger...
also states, "created by grumps"

http://sensemedia.net/sprawl/47343
I'm somewhat sure that this was made by Tripp Petigrew

http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4050
a dragon by Tua Xiong.. but "created by grumps"

I'm contemplating taking this site off of the main ASCII art listing site
(at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2695/links.htm )
because of the deliberate plagerism.  And I'm wondering, perhaps
we ought to have an ASCII 'hall of shame' for such sites.  Thoughts?
I know that I don't want to be promoting sites like this.

-joan
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In article <199...@ng96.aol.com>,
spu...@aol.com (Spunk1111) wrote:
> 
> I visited the following website:
> http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4047
> Galleria des Moos....
> 
> I have found several pics that I **KNOW** that someone else created...
> and they are now signed by 'grumps'
> 
> ie:
> http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4047
> I know this pic was made by B'ger
> although it states "Lucifer's Pic was created by grumps. "
> 
> and
> http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/2740
> This was also created by B'ger...
> also states, "created by grumps"
> 
> http://sensemedia.net/sprawl/47343
> I'm somewhat sure that this was made by Tripp Petigrew
> 
> http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4050
> a dragon by Tua Xiong.. but "created by grumps"
> 
> I'm contemplating taking this site off of the main ASCII art listing site
> (at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2695/links.htm )
> because of the deliberate plagerism.  And I'm wondering, perhaps
> we ought to have an ASCII 'hall of shame' for such sites.  Thoughts?
> I know that I don't want to be promoting sites like this.
> 
> -joan stark
> spu...@juno.com
> http://www.ascii-art.com

I think that it is definitely in order to take this fellow's site off
the main list. He should be e-mailed as well, to ask him why he has
claimed to have drawn those pictures. 

I like your idea of having an ASCII 'hall of shame' for such sites.

I am an associate member of the animated gif artists' guild
(http://www.agag.com/) that has the same mandate as we ASCII-artists
do... credit where credit is due.

It has a link to rogue sites.
http://www.agag.com/roguesites.html


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see. If you are e-mailing me and hit the reply button, add an "e"
to "freent"; its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
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Spunk1111 wrote in message <199...@ng96.aol.com>...
>I visited the following website:
>http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4047
>Galleria des Moos....
>I have found several pics that I **KNOW** that someone else created...
>and they are now signed by 'grumps'
>http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4047
>I know this pic was made by B'ger
>although it states "Lucifer's Pic was created by grumps. "
>http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/2740
>This was also created by B'ger...
>also states, "created by grumps"
>http://sensemedia.net/sprawl/47343
>I'm somewhat sure that this was made by Tripp Petigrew
>http://avatar.phys-plant.utoledo.edu:4646/4050
>a dragon by Tua Xiong.. but "created by grumps"
>I'm contemplating taking this site off of the main ASCII art listing site
>(at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2695/links.htm )
>because of the deliberate plagerism.  And I'm wondering, perhaps
>we ought to have an ASCII 'hall of shame' for such sites.  Thoughts?
>I know that I don't want to be promoting sites like this.
>-joan



Well.......

    There's not much you can do about it, really.  Firstly, I'd write
whoever owns the website, and ask them to change it.  Secondly, folks
could write whoever hosts the website, and make objections.

    If that don't work, then everyone with a link to the site should
remove it.  Then find out where this guy lives, and do something
simple; like a nice bomb threat to this mother.  If fun and games like
that don't work, I suggest offended parties select sawed-off shotguns
at 4 paces.

    I'll stand seconds for whoever needs it.

    .... But about the first two ideas; get a list together of the
plagery (everyone check).  See how many active people have been
stole from.  Then we'll write some e-type mails and see if it does
any good.


JRO
oglesbee@
         mail.fullnet.net

    I had a look at that site.  It's some kind of MUD-MOO stuff.
Sort of like IRC in a way, except you can also connect to stuff
like University Libraries, ect.. They play Dungeons and Dragons,
or some other role-playing games on-line.  If you make or post
ascii for these MUD people, that's what they do with it. I'd
been wondering what these MUD requests were about...

    Anyway, they steal ascii, like mIRC people do.  If you
search around this guy's site, you will find a newsgroup
section (not usenet newsgroups) where --- I guess --- they
run newsletters to participants, ect.. List of people that
can be emailed to, informing them that "Grumps" steals
all his nice pictures. For whatever good it will do....
and I reckon that's none at all, since they probably all
do it and don't care.

    Since it's not really an ascii site, folks ought to
remove it from links, anyway.  And folks ought to know
better than fulfill MUD or IRC requests, if they're
going to get bruised feelings about stolen ascii. That's
what most of those people do with it; claim it for their
own, to "impress" each other.

    I doubt complaining to the host of this site is going
to do any good.  Looks like this fellow is a Proff
at the University that hosts it.  I doubt the Univ. will
do anything about it (if what I presume about this is
correct).      ON THE OTHER HAND ---- perhaps writing
to the hosting university about their staff stealing
intellectual property on the internet, just might cause
him enough embarassment to pull it off.

    But, as we all know, if posting ascie is kind of like
throwing it to the wind. There's no telling where it will
turn up, or what it will look like a day later.

JRO

Sure, Forest Grumps. Right?