Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 15 Sep 2002.
NIN Kanji
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· 5 messages · 15 Sep 2002 - 18 Sep 2002
"Faux_Pseudo" <Fau...@yahoo.comERCIAL> wrote in message news:slrnao8uth.15h.Faux_Pseudo@fugozi.cx1209071-a... > --<-(Craig Yoho eipe tous logous autous emin eis alt.music.nin)->-- > > i was looking through my book of Kanji yesterday and i stumbled upon a > > 7-stroke character "NIN" that means "to bear pain" or "to endure". found > > it intriguing. > > Rough ascii translation: <snip> A bit hard to work that one out. Cheers for the effort anyway. =) -- indiie " [Parabol/a) almost implies that there is no life and death. 'We are eternal'. The only thing that lives and dies is the vessel in which we are contained. (That's why death isn't any more tragic than the birth of a child)." - Becca (AMT)
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:28:00 GMT, Faux_Pseudo <Fau...@yahoo.comERCIAL> spewed forth the following: >> i was looking through my book of Kanji yesterday and i stumbled upon a >> 7-stroke character "NIN" that means "to bear pain" or "to endure". found >> it intriguing. You want something intriguing? See if your kanji book has the kanji for the "utsu" in "yuuutsu." I doubt it'll have it -- it's about a 29-stroke kanji that almost always carries furigana (at least whenever I've seen it like in the newspapers and stuff it does). Another cool one that I like is the old kanji for "kame" (the new one is a simplified version of the old one). See if you can find it -- it's one of the rare kanji that actually somewhat looks like what it's supposed to represent. yoroshiku--
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| On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:28:00 GMT, Faux_Pseudo
|<Fau...@yahoo.comERCIAL> spewed forth the following:
|
|>> i was looking through my book of Kanji yesterday and i stumbled upon a
|>> 7-stroke character "NIN" that means "to bear pain" or "to endure". found
|>> it intriguing.
|
| You want something intriguing? See if your kanji book has the kanji
| for the "utsu" in "yuuutsu." I doubt it'll have it -- it's about a
| 29-stroke kanji that almost always carries furigana (at least whenever
| I've seen it like in the newspapers and stuff it does).
Do you mean Geki? I am counting around 20 but mostly it looks
like juat a combo of other smaller symbles like the one for
wheel and hand which makes since if you think of it as a quick moving
hand (it means attacking or hitting)
| Another cool one that I like is the old kanji for "kame" (the new one
| is a simplified version of the old one). See if you can find it --
| it's one of the rare kanji that actually somewhat looks like what it's
| supposed to represent.
It has been my experiance that a lot of the kanji symboles (especially
the esential ones) look a lot like what they represent
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| Tree |__| Moon
--|-- |__| which with very little work looks a lot like a
/|\ | | cresent moon.
| / ,/ Mountain
| |
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|___| Ear _/ Child
|___| __\___ | female
|__--" | ___/___
-" | -| \/
/\
/ \
With just a touch of work each of these looks like what
it represents and if you can do it in little obasciis then
it is even easier in print.
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:13:05 GMT, Faux_Pseudo <Fau...@yahoo.comERCIAL> spewed forth the following: >Do you mean Geki? I am counting around 20 but mostly it looks >like juat a combo of other smaller symbles like the one for >wheel and hand which makes since if you think of it as a quick moving >hand (it means attacking or hitting) Wrong utsu. There are about 20-something kanji that have "utsu" as either their kun-yomi or their on-yomi. Even after speaking Japanese for as long as I have, it's still hard to tell which one a person is talking about without using it in a sentence or in a compound word. Obviously it helps if you write it out; here it is, so you know: %%%" %% %%%" %% %%" %% %% %%%%%%%%%%%%, %% ,, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%,"" %% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%, %%%%, "%%%%%%%%%%%%, %%, %%%%%"%%, %% %%%%%, ,%%" %% "%%, %% %% %% %%%% "%%%,,, ,,"" %% "" %% %% %% ,"" %% "%%" %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% % ,%%, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%, ,%%" % %%%" ,%%%" ""%,,, ,%%% ,%, %%" %%%" %% % %%%%%" % %% ,%%%%" ,%" %% ,,%""" "%%% %% ,,%%""" %% % %% ,%, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,%%%%% ,,%%%%"" %%%%%" ,%, ,,,%%"""" %%%% ,,%%%%% ,%, %%%%%%%"""" %, ,%%%%% %%%% %%%, ,%%%"" %%%%,,,,,,,,,,%%%%" ,,%%"" ""%%%%%%%%%%%%"" ,,,%%""" You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who speaks Japanese who can write that off the top of their head. Somehow I've managed to remember it. Some other kanji you might come across that have "utsu" as their pronunciation: | | "kuruma" | (car or wheel) V %%,, %%,, ,%%, ) %%%%" ,%%, %%%%%%%%%%%%%% | "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% | ,, %%%% ,, %%%% %%%% % }--"rumata" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,%%% %%%%%,,%%%, | %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%" "%%%%%%%%%% | (combination of %%%%,,,,%%%%,,,,%%%% ,,%"" ""%%%""" | katakana "ru" %%%%""""%%%%""""%%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% | and the kanji %%%% %%%% %%%% "%, ,%%%% | for "mata") %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "%%, ,,%%%%" | "" %%%% "",, ,%%%%%""" | "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,,%%%"""%%%,, | %%%% ,,,%""" "%%%%%%%%" | "%%" ,,,%%%, """" ) ,,,,,,%%%%%%%%%%%, ,,,,,,%%%%%"""%%%%""""" %%%% ,%%, <-- hand ("te") "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% ,%%, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% ,%%%% ""%%%%%%% "%%%" (the one you mentioned earlier). This one brings up a good point, something that you kinda pointed out. Most kanji are made up of what they call "radicals," or little parts (usually other, distinct kanji). Sometimes you can get a clue about the meaning or how to pronounce a certain character by looking at these radicals and trying a reading that you may have seen before with the same radical. A lot of times it works, a lot of times it doesn't. It's a crap shoot. Anyway, I've named the radicals in the character above for you. Any good kanji dictionary should have characters listed by radical or at least offer a reading or name for the radicals so that you can understand them better. Here are some more "utsu" kanji: ,,,, "%%%%, ,%%, %%%%" "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% ,%%, %%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% ,,%%% %%%% %%%%,%%%%"" %%%% ,,%%%%%%"" %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%" %%%% "%%%%%%"%%%% %%%% %%" %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% "%%%%%%%% "%%%%%%%% "%%%%" "%%%%" (same meaning as above, but more commonly used) % ,, %% %%%%, ,%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%, ,%%%% ,, %%%%%" %%%%% %%%%, %%%%" %%%%%" %%%%" ,%%" "%%%" %%%% ,%%, %" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% ,%%, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "%%" %%%% %%%% %%%%% ,%%, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% ,%%%% %%%%" %%%%" ,,%%%%" ""%%%%%%%%%" "%%%%"" (follow this with "su," and you get "utsusu," meaning to copy or photograph) ,%%, %%,, "%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%% %%%% ,%%, %%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% ,%%, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,%%, %%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% ,,,, %%%% ,%%, "%%%, %%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "%%%%, %%%% %%%%%, %%%% %%%%% %%%% %%,, ,%%, """ %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% ,%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ""%%%%%%%" "%%" "%%" "%%%%" Utsu: "attack," "defeat," "destroy," "conquer." Japanese is very annoying in the fact that there are many many ways to say the same thing but just with different implications -- but by the same token, it's a very expressive language. If you pick up any shosetsu (small books sold everywhere in Japan -- it's a very literate country, mind you), you'll see a lot of authors use diverse characters to gain the exact meaning they want. Anyway, here's the other "kame" I was talking about: %, ,%%%, ,,%, ,%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,%%%"" %%%%"" ,%"" ,%%%" %%,, ,%%%" %%,, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %% %% %%%% %%%% %% %% %%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% , %% %% "" "%%%%%%%%%%%, %% %% %%" %% %% ,%,, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% %% ,, ,, %%% "%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% "%%, ,%%" %%% , %% %% %%%%% %%% "%%%%%%%%%%%, %% %% ,%%" "%%, %%% %%" %% %% "" "" %%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% , %% %% "" %, "%%%%%%%%%%% %% ,%%, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%" "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%" Nowadays it's written as: %%%,, %%%%%" %%%, ,%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,%%%%" ,%%%" ,%%%%" ,%%" ,%%%, ,%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ,%%%%"%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%%""" %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "%%" %%%% "%%" %%, %%%% ,%%%, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% %, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%, "%%" %%%% "%%" %%%% %%%%, %%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%" And just for fun, here's 'nin' again: ,%%, "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%%% %%%% %%%% "%%%,,, ,%%%" %%%% ""%%%%%%" %%%% %%%%%%%, ,%%%% ,%%%" "%%%% %%%%" ,%%%" "%%" ,%%%% ,%%%" ,%%%% ,,%%%" "%%%%%%%%%" ,,%%%%" "%%%%%"" %%%%%""" %%,, %%,,, "%%%%%, "%%%%% "%%%%, %%,, % %%%% "%%%% "%%%%, %% %%%% "%%" "%%%%, ,%% %%%% %, %%%%%, ,%%%% %%%% %%, %%%%%% ,%%%%% %%%% %%%% "%%%" %%%%%%" %%%%, %%%% "%%%" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%" nanika sukina kanji ga areba shirasete kudasai. ascii demo kakerune. --reddog
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| Wrong utsu. There are about 20-something kanji that have "utsu" as
| either their kun-yomi or their on-yomi. Even after speaking Japanese
| for as long as I have, it's still hard to tell which one a person is
| talking about without using it in a sentence or in a compound word.
| Obviously it helps if you write it out; here it is, so you know:
Good post. And on topic and everything.
Obascii: Hashira (my first name translated into kanji (no I am not
joking))
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For those of you out there in ascii-land: the small tree on the left
is a .. well tree. And the rest of it is "central" or "main". So
together it becomes the main tree or the main support. In English it
is called a Pillar. I am a letter different in the spelling but the
idea is the same.
One of the nice things about my name is that it translates cleanly in
almost every language accept a few souther hemisphere ones were
architecture never really caught hold (think Australia and any part of
Africa below the equator).
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