Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 8 May 2002.
PENTAGRAMM - SATANICAL SYMBOL
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· 19 messages · 8 May 2002 - 31 Jul 2002
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Could somebody made a subj pls.
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gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) wrote: >On Thu, 9 May 2002 01:24:24 +0300, Ily...@p666.f613.n463.z2.fidonet.org >>Could somebody made a subj pls. >*clickclickclick* > > __oooooo._ > ,odPP"';88:`"YP8o. > o8P' ,8PY8. 'Y8o. > d8P ,8P `8. `Yb_ > ,8P ,8P `8L `8L > ,8PPPPPPPP88PPPPPPPP8PPPPPPPPP8p > ,8F8L ,8P 8b dP8p > d8 `8L ,8P __ __ __Yb 8P Y8 > 8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[ > 8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[ > Yb ,88. d88. d8' > `8. ,8P`8L 8P Y8. 8P > Y8.,8P Yb ,8P `8.dP > Y888ooooo8booooooood8booooodPP > `Yb. Y8. dP o8' > `Yb. `8p 8P ,o8P > `YYbo._i8L,8P_,oo8P' Gr > '""PPPPPPP"'' > >BTW, I think it's called hexagram or something because "penta" means 5. No, that is NOT a pentagram, but indeed a hexagram. It is one of the most potent symbols used in the working of the powers of darkness. Used to work magic. It is satanic when used in an occult setting with a circle around it. The 666 in the middle is a bit lame though, nobody would really use it. :) -- maraz // mar...@raketti.net :: http://maraz.deviantart.com
On Thu, 9 May 2002 01:24:24 +0300, Ily...@p666.f613.n463.z2.fidonet.org
(Ilya Magas) tried to confuse everyone with this message:
>Could somebody made a subj pls.
*clickclickclick*
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8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[
8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[
Yb ,88. d88. d8'
`8. ,8P`8L 8P Y8. 8P
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'""PPPPPPP"''
BTW, I think it's called hexagram or something because "penta" means 5.
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"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message news:cvj...@4ax.com... > gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) wrote: > > >On Thu, 9 May 2002 01:24:24 +0300, Ily...@p666.f613.n463.z2.fidonet.org > >>Could somebody made a subj pls. > >*clickclickclick* > > > > __oooooo._ > > ,odPP"';88:`"YP8o. > > o8P' ,8PY8. 'Y8o. > > d8P ,8P `8. `Yb_ > > ,8P ,8P `8L `8L > > ,8PPPPPPPP88PPPPPPPP8PPPPPPPPP8p > > ,8F8L ,8P 8b dP8p > > d8 `8L ,8P __ __ __Yb 8P Y8 > > 8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[ > > 8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[ > > Yb ,88. d88. d8' > > `8. ,8P`8L 8P Y8. 8P > > Y8.,8P Yb ,8P `8.dP > > Y888ooooo8booooooood8booooodPP > > `Yb. Y8. dP o8' > > `Yb. `8p 8P ,o8P > > `YYbo._i8L,8P_,oo8P' Gr > > '""PPPPPPP"'' > > > >BTW, I think it's called hexagram or something because "penta" means 5. > > No, that is NOT a pentagram, but indeed a hexagram. It is one of the > most potent symbols used in the working of the powers of darkness. Used > to work magic. It is satanic when used in an occult setting with a > circle around it. The 666 in the middle is a bit lame though, nobody > would really use it. :) Indeed this one is a "jewish star in a circle", or hexagram :) Here is a little pentagram I've done in Jave in 1 min. Sorry not very good. __ooooo__ ,o8P";888`"P8o. ,8P' d8 8b `Y8. dP' ,8' `8. `Yb dP dP Y8 Yb ,8boooood8boooo8boooood8[ d8"P8o. 8P `8._o8P'8b Y8. `Y88._ ,88P' ,8P 8b ,8P"P8oo8P'8b d8 8b d8 ,o8PY8o.i8. d8 Y8,8dPP' `"P888P `Y8bo__ __oo8P' ``"PPPPP"'' BoD
"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message news:cvj...@4ax.com... > gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) wrote: > > > __oooooo._ > > ,odPP"';88:`"YP8o. > > o8P' ,8PY8. 'Y8o. > > d8P ,8P `8. `Yb_ > > ,8P ,8P `8L `8L > > ,8PPPPPPPP88PPPPPPPP8PPPPPPPPP8p > > ,8F8L ,8P 8b dP8p > > d8 `8L ,8P __ __ __Yb 8P Y8 > > 8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[ > > 8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[ > > Yb ,88. d88. d8' > > `8. ,8P`8L 8P Y8. 8P > > Y8.,8P Yb ,8P `8.dP > > Y888ooooo8booooooood8booooodPP > > `Yb. Y8. dP o8' > > `Yb. `8p 8P ,o8P > > `YYbo._i8L,8P_,oo8P' Gr > > '""PPPPPPP"'' > > <--- Message stripped> Hey thatz a star of David! and for heaven's sake that is not satanic :) obascii: * Pentagramm -Dyno
"dynoguru" <dyn...@hotmail.com> wrote: >"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message >news:cvj...@4ax.com... >> gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) wrote: >> >> > __oooooo._ >> > ,odPP"';88:`"YP8o. >> > o8P' ,8PY8. 'Y8o. >> > d8P ,8P `8. `Yb_ >> > ,8P ,8P `8L `8L >> > ,8PPPPPPPP88PPPPPPPP8PPPPPPPPP8p >> > ,8F8L ,8P 8b dP8p >> > d8 `8L ,8P __ __ __Yb 8P Y8 >> > 8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[ >> > 8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[ >> > Yb ,88. d88. d8' >> > `8. ,8P`8L 8P Y8. 8P >> > Y8.,8P Yb ,8P `8.dP >> > Y888ooooo8booooooood8booooodPP >> > `Yb. Y8. dP o8' >> > `Yb. `8p 8P ,o8P >> > `YYbo._i8L,8P_,oo8P' Gr >> > '""PPPPPPP"'' >> > ><--- Message stripped> > >Hey thatz a star of David! and for heaven's sake that is not satanic :) That is NOT the star of David. The Star of David does NOT have the circle around it, however, as this one does, it IS a satanic symbol. -- maraz // mar...@raketti.net :: http://maraz.deviantart.com
"BoD" <spa...@BoDLand.com> wrote:
>Indeed this one is a "jewish star in a circle", or hexagram :)
"Star of David" actually, but with the circle it is a satanic symbol.
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Ilya Magas <Ily...@p666.f613.n463.z2.fidonet.org> wrote in message news:3cd...@p666.f613.n463.z2.fidonet.org... | <_+_+_+_+_\ ���������,All /_+_+_+_+_+_> | | | Could somebody made a subj pls. | Horses?
"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message news:bp3...@4ax.com... > "dynoguru" <dyn...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message > >news:cvj...@4ax.com... > >> gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) wrote: > >> > >> > ,8F8L ,8P 8b dP8p > >> > d8 `8L ,8P __ __ __Yb 8P Y8 > >> > 8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[ > >> > 8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[ > >> > Yb ,88. d88. d8' Gr > ><--- Message stripped> > > > >Hey thatz a star of David! and for heaven's sake that is not satanic :) > > That is NOT the star of David. The Star of David does NOT have the > circle around it, however, as this one does, It IS the Star of David. The circle around it symbolizes perfection. >it IS a satanic symbol. No, its is not. Even the pentagram is not a satanic symbol. It symbolizes The (holy)spirit, water, fire, air, earth. The circle represents that all 5 are in harmony. The only satanic symbol is the 666 in the art! -dyno. obascii: __/_\__ \/ \/ /\ _ /\ \ /
"dynoguru" <dyn...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet news:abeqqp$hvb2r$1...@ID-138705.news.dfncis.de > "maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message > news:bp3...@4ax.com > > "dynoguru" <dyn...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message > > >news:cvj...@4ax.com... > > >> gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) wrote: > > >> > > >> > ,8F8L ,8P 8b dP8p > > >> > d8 `8L ,8P __ __ __Yb 8P Y8 > > >> > 8b Yb ,8P /_ /_ /_ Yb ,8P ]8[ > > >> > 8b Y88P (__)(__)(__) Y88' ]8[ > > >> > Yb ,88. d88. d8' Gr > > ><--- Message stripped> > > > > > >Hey thatz a star of David! and for heaven's sake that is not satanic :) > > > > That is NOT the star of David. The Star of David does NOT have the > > circle around it, however, as this one does, > It IS the Star of David. The circle around it symbolizes perfection. > > >it IS a satanic symbol. > No, its is not. Even the pentagram is not a satanic symbol. It symbolizes > The (holy)spirit, water, fire, air, earth. The circle represents that > all 5 are in harmony. > > The only satanic symbol is the 666 in the art! And even that might not be satanic. It never says "satan" or "lucifer" or anything in Rev. 13, it just babbles on and on about two beasts and how you won't be able to buy or sell if you don't have 666 in your forehead or your right hand. Sounds like some kind of ID chip to me. :) Hey, check it out, I just got the Cool, I've heard a lot of good new ID chip grafted into my skull. stuff about version 6.6.6... `,,, , '..> OO .|| .||. || dd -jg
On Thu, 9 May 2002 14:49:43 +0200, "BoD" <spa...@BoDLand.com> wrote: > Here is a little pentagram I've done in Jave in 1 min. > Sorry not very good. > > __ooooo__ > ,o8P";888`"P8o. > ,8P' d8 8b `Y8. > dP' ,8' `8. `Yb > dP dP Y8 Yb > ,8boooood8boooo8boooood8[ > d8"P8o. 8P `8._o8P'8b > Y8. `Y88._ ,88P' ,8P > 8b ,8P"P8oo8P'8b d8 > 8b d8 ,o8PY8o.i8. d8 > Y8,8dPP' `"P888P > `Y8bo__ __oo8P' > ``"PPPPP"'' AFAIK, the Satanic version usually puts it upside-down (with the single point at the bottom, not the top). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <nos...@gmx.li> That really is my address; no need to remove anything to reply. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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"dynoguru" <dyn...@hotmail.com> wrote: >"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message >news:bp3...@4ax.com... >> That is NOT the star of David. The Star of David does NOT have the >> circle around it, however, as this one does, >It IS the Star of David. The circle around it symbolizes perfection. I am very positive that it is NOT the Star of David. It is satanic when used in an Occult setting with a circle around it. (more info: http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm) >>it IS a satanic symbol. >No, its is not. Even the pentagram is not a satanic symbol. It symbolizes >The (holy)spirit, water, fire, air, earth. The circle represents that >all 5 are in harmony. Yes, the pentagram. Symbol used in Witchcraft. Represents the elements, earth, wind, fire and water with the spirit surrounding them OR as a symbol for the "divine position": _ ( ) ___|___ | / \ / \ mrz It's inverted form is used in black magic as it represents a goat head symboling resistance against Jesus (the Lamb). (from http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm): Inverted Pentagram: Symbolizes the morning star, a name Satan has taken. Used in witchcraft and occult rituals to conjure up evil spirits. Satanists use it 2 points up and pagans use it one point up. Any way it is used symbolizes evil. It matters not if two points are up or one. It matters not if it has a circle around it. It still is a symbol of Satan. >The only satanic symbol is the 666 in the art! Duh, no. -- maraz // mar...@raketti.net :: http://maraz.deviantart.com
> Inverted Pentagram: Symbolizes the morning star, a name Satan has > taken. Used in witchcraft and occult rituals to conjure up evil > spirits. Satanists use it 2 points up and pagans use it one point up. > Any way it is used symbolizes evil. It matters not if two points are up > or one. It matters not if it has a circle around it. It still is a > symbol of Satan. Pagans don't even believe in a Christian Satan, why would it symbolize him? It symbolizes a number of things, but -not- evil or Satanism, when one point's up. Also, IIRC, another interpretation is the right-side-up (Pagan) star is mind over matter, whereas the inverted one is matter over mind. . O <-mind \ / <-matter O __/ \__ --|-- --|-- if --|-- equals `. ,' / \ <-matter O <-mind / \ /.-.\ ' ' .--==-. / \'..'/\ (_,'_ _`.) \ \/ / `-_'_-' Oi. That was lousy. Anyways, my poorly executed attempt :)
"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message news:s8f...@4ax.com... > I am very positive that it is NOT the Star of David. It is satanic when > used in an Occult setting with a circle around it. yep... but I didn't understand "used in an occult setting"? and symbol used in such a setting would appear to be satanic. > It's inverted form is used in black magic as it represents a goat head > symboling resistance against Jesus (the Lamb). > I agree inverted pentagram is satanic, but the pentagram with the head/spirit on top, even with the circle around it is NOT satanic. http://skepdic.com/pentagram.html http://journey1.org/freedom/pentagram.htm > Trivia: The Star of David was borrowed from Hinduism. The top triangle represents Male(Shiva) and Female (Shakthi) is represented by the bottom point down triangle. There is a dot / circle in the middle which signifies their unification. But it is missing in the star of David. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~urc/symbols.html -dyno Obascii: Shiva Linga - Represents the Hindu lord Shiva in the form of human Penis. _.Y-'''''`.. ,' `. / `\ |' `\ | .,-------.. '| | `.......--' \' | /--+--+--\ ' | "..|\,:-'' | ____| ,-''''''''b |----.._ .,--i,.--| '"------'' |''''--:`----..._ '|,--' | | `.--::--.:;_ || ,YY'''''`- .`. | `-...__ ,-' '` \| \,_`--..:::--....____ ___...-'' ,-''-b || ':--.... ,,.,--'' ``.. || `-. ``-------....,--'',/ `| \. /| || \| || `b ,b' ``= ,-''' '``. | | | :dg: | `---'''''`-------------''''''''''' > -- > maraz // mar...@raketti.net :: http://maraz.deviantart.com
maraz <mar...@raketti.net> writes:
|> symbol for the "divine position":
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Well that definitely remins ME of a certain divine position!
So, can someone do a figure of a prone naked woman in that divine position,
neatly embedded in a regular pentagon? Please??
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maraz <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message news:<s8f...@4ax.com>... > "dynoguru" <dyn...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >"maraz" <mar...@raketti.net> wrote in message > >news:bp3...@4ax.com... > >> That is NOT the star of David. The Star of David does NOT have the > >> circle around it, however, as this one does, > >It IS the Star of David. The circle around it symbolizes perfection. > > I am very positive that it is NOT the Star of David. It is satanic when > used in an Occult setting with a circle around it. > > (more info: http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm) > > >>it IS a satanic symbol. > >No, its is not. Even the pentagram is not a satanic symbol. It symbolizes > >The (holy)spirit, water, fire, air, earth. The circle represents that > >all 5 are in harmony. > > Yes, the pentagram. Symbol used in Witchcraft. Represents the elements, > earth, wind, fire and water with the spirit surrounding them OR as a > symbol for the "divine position": > _ > ( ) > ___|___ > | > / \ > / \ mrz > > It's inverted form is used in black magic as it represents a goat head > symboling resistance against Jesus (the Lamb). > > (from http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm): > > Inverted Pentagram: Symbolizes the morning star, a name Satan has > taken. Used in witchcraft and occult rituals to conjure up evil > spirits. Satanists use it 2 points up and pagans use it one point up. > Any way it is used symbolizes evil. It matters not if two points are up > or one. It matters not if it has a circle around it. It still is a > symbol of Satan. > > > >The only satanic symbol is the 666 in the art! > > Duh, no. Not to sound as though I think that I myself am superior, but I have been studying the occult for a long time and so I'll set you both right as best I can. I have been a student of the occult for very nearly all of my life. Currently, I'm a young'un at 21 years of age, but that is still a long time to have been preoccupied with one singular area of focus. There is much that I have left to learn, but I am able to point out where you both have made errors. ***If anyone on this list has studied the occult, talismanic signs & symbols, witchcraft, neopaganism, mythology and archaeology for longer than I have, feel free to correct me if by some chance I should make an error about any of the following (though it's highly unlikely): The pentagram is your average 5-sided star, drawn with interconnecting lines. The pentagram has been used since Egyptian times. When enclosed by a circle it becomes a pentacle. The pentacle has been used for hundreds of years and has even been used by the Catholic Church in the far past. Today, the pentacle is used as a protective symbol by a variety of groups: Wiccans and the general neopagan populace, non-Wiccan witches, occultists, Ceremonial Magicians, religious Satanists (as opposed to baby murderering cults), Goths (for fashion's sake), and then (unfortunately) the immature teenagers who are obsessed with fantasies of power and grandeur as well. Wiccans and Neopagans tend to wear the pentacle with the star pointing upwards, but sometimes wear it turned one degree to the left so that it sits upon it's side (it looks as though it is upside-down). This is done not to invoke anything negative, but rather to indicate that a student has completed the first level of study and is now of the Second Degree. Satanists often prefer to wear the pentacle upturned (upside-down) because when wore as such it may represent the material over the spiritual as well as a goat's head and horns (the face of The Beast). The practises of Ceremonial Magicians varies and one would have to specifically speak to one in order to know why and how he or she utilizes the symbol (if at all-- there are few certainties among this rather diverse collection of students). It is both true and false to say that the pentacle is a Satanic symbol. While it is used by Satanists, it existed long before the concept of Satan (or Shaitaan) even existed. It is more accurate to say that the pentacle is a symbol which belongs to those who appreciate it, birthed by the pagans of old (who were not much like those of the modern pagan religion of Wicca, truth be told). The ancient pagans were far more free-spirited and less influenced (if at all) by the Christian church. As for the Morning Star/Satan connection: we will never really know whether Shaitaan himself took the name or if the Jews of old assigned it to him. One would have had to have been there. Don't believe all that you read and question EVERYTHING. Deeply research everything before making statements as if you know indefinitely the answer to a question. It is silly to hold strong opinions about things that you are not yet well-versed in. I hope that you will give better sources in the future as well, though I was pleased to see that you gave at least one to support your claims. My issue with your source is that you did not at the same time provide a link to a webpage written by a Satanist and instead only provided a link to anti-Satanic propaganda. Hope that that helped! By the way, the alt.religion.satanism faq is a feature on my website (in case you care to learn more). Cheers, Taliszanna WhiteCrow: Long-term Eclectic Spiritualist, Witch and Student of the Occult http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/
On 12 May 2002 04:31:10 -0700, tim...@angelfire.com (Taliszanna WhiteCrow) wrote: > >Not to sound as though I think that I myself am superior, but I have >been studying the occult for a long time and so I'll set you both >right as best I can. I have been a student of the occult for very >nearly all of my life. Currently, I'm a young'un at 21 years of age, >but that is still a long time to have been preoccupied with one >singular area of focus. There is much that I have left to learn, but I >am able to point out where you both have made errors. ***If anyone on >this list has studied the occult, talismanic signs & symbols, >witchcraft, neopaganism, mythology and archaeology for longer than I >have, feel free to correct me if by some chance I should make an error >about any of the following (though it's highly unlikely): > >The pentagram is your average 5-sided star, drawn with interconnecting >lines. The pentagram has been used since Egyptian times. When enclosed >by a circle it becomes a pentacle. The pentacle has been used for >hundreds of years and has even been used by the Catholic Church in the >far past. Today, the pentacle is used as a protective symbol by a >variety of groups: Wiccans and the general neopagan populace, >non-Wiccan witches, occultists, Ceremonial Magicians, religious >Satanists (as opposed to baby murderering cults), Goths (for fashion's >sake), and then (unfortunately) the immature teenagers who are >obsessed with fantasies of power and grandeur as well. Wiccans and >Neopagans tend to wear the pentacle with the star pointing upwards, >but sometimes wear it turned one degree to the left so that it sits >upon it's side (it looks as though it is upside-down). This is done >not to invoke anything negative, but rather to indicate that a student >has completed the first level of study and is now of the Second >Degree. Satanists often prefer to wear the pentacle upturned >(upside-down) because when wore as such it may represent the material >over the spiritual as well as a goat's head and horns (the face of The >Beast). The practises of Ceremonial Magicians varies and one would >have to specifically speak to one in order to know why and how he or >she utilizes the symbol (if at all-- there are few certainties among >this rather diverse collection of students). > >It is both true and false to say that the pentacle is a Satanic >symbol. While it is used by Satanists, it existed long before the >concept of Satan (or Shaitaan) even existed. It is more accurate to >say that the pentacle is a symbol which belongs to those who >appreciate it, birthed by the pagans of old (who were not much like >those of the modern pagan religion of Wicca, truth be told). The >ancient pagans were far more free-spirited and less influenced (if at >all) by the Christian church. > >As for the Morning Star/Satan connection: we will never really know >whether Shaitaan himself took the name or if the Jews of old assigned >it to him. One would have had to have been there. > >Don't believe all that you read and question EVERYTHING. Deeply >research everything before making statements as if you know >indefinitely the answer to a question. It is silly to hold strong >opinions about things that you are not yet well-versed in. I hope that >you will give better sources in the future as well, though I was >pleased to see that you gave at least one to support your claims. My >issue with your source is that you did not at the same time provide a >link to a webpage written by a Satanist and instead only provided a >link to anti-Satanic propaganda. > >Hope that that helped! By the way, the alt.religion.satanism faq is a >feature on my website (in case you care to learn more). > >Cheers, Taliszanna WhiteCrow: >Long-term Eclectic Spiritualist, Witch and Student of the Occult >http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/ Just some additional info you may have over looked. * In egyptian times it was used as a symbol for Isis and subsequently was reguarded as fairly potent. * It is considered a male-orientated symbol if the single point is towards the bottom of the circle and female-orientated if the single point is upwards, (most illustrations appear to be missing the flames/menstrual flow that should be included between the two uppermost or bottom facing points, depending on which interpretation you choose, which way up you are hanging at the time, etc....). * The symbol was also used as the totemic sigel of Chem of Mendies from the First Testament of the Bible. Chem was a highly respected metalurgist, (and also lent his name to the study of "Alchemy", the search for the philosiphers stone) and was visited by Moses just as the Exodus started. Coincidentally Chem's animal familiar/symbol was a goat, hence Goat of Mendies as used many times by Hammer Studio's when they were still making dodgy horror films like the Devil Rides Out. ......and besides, I thought this was an NG about ASCII art, not religious symbolism. Who cares whether it is a "satanic", (whatever that's supposed to mean), symbol or not. Everyone is entitled to freedom of opinion and expression, preferably using a standard fixed pitch font in this particular forum :) Zarniwhoop ~> We are not human beings having a spiritual experience <~ ~> We are spiritual beings having a human experience <~
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Zarniwhoop <Yam...@cannabis.net> wrote in message
news:di1...@4ax.com...
> On 12 May 2002 04:31:10 -0700, tim...@angelfire.com (Taliszanna
> WhiteCrow) wrote:
> >
> >Not to sound as though I think that I myself am superior, but I have
> >been studying the occult for a long time and so I'll set you both
> >right as best I can. I have been a student of the occult for very
> >nearly all of my life. Currently, I'm a young'un at 21 years of age,
> >but that is still a long time to have been preoccupied with one
> >singular area of focus. There is much that I have left to learn, but I
> >am able to point out where you both have made errors. ***If anyone on
> >this list has studied the occult, talismanic signs & symbols,
> >witchcraft, neopaganism, mythology and archaeology for longer than I
> >have, feel free to correct me if by some chance I should make an error
> >about any of the following (though it's highly unlikely):
> >
> >The pentagram is your average 5-sided star, drawn with interconnecting
> >lines. The pentagram has been used since Egyptian times. When enclosed
> >by a circle it becomes a pentacle. The pentacle has been used for
> >hundreds of years and has even been used by the Catholic Church in the
> >far past. Today, the pentacle is used as a protective symbol by a
> >variety of groups: Wiccans and the general neopagan populace,
> >non-Wiccan witches, occultists, Ceremonial Magicians, religious
> >Satanists (as opposed to baby murderering cults), Goths (for fashion's
> >sake), and then (unfortunately) the immature teenagers who are
> >obsessed with fantasies of power and grandeur as well. Wiccans and
> >Neopagans tend to wear the pentacle with the star pointing upwards,
> >but sometimes wear it turned one degree to the left so that it sits
> >upon it's side (it looks as though it is upside-down). This is done
> >not to invoke anything negative, but rather to indicate that a student
> >has completed the first level of study and is now of the Second
> >Degree. Satanists often prefer to wear the pentacle upturned
> >(upside-down) because when wore as such it may represent the material
> >over the spiritual as well as a goat's head and horns (the face of The
> >Beast). The practises of Ceremonial Magicians varies and one would
> >have to specifically speak to one in order to know why and how he or
> >she utilizes the symbol (if at all-- there are few certainties among
> >this rather diverse collection of students).
> >
> >It is both true and false to say that the pentacle is a Satanic
> >symbol. While it is used by Satanists, it existed long before the
> >concept of Satan (or Shaitaan) even existed. It is more accurate to
> >say that the pentacle is a symbol which belongs to those who
> >appreciate it, birthed by the pagans of old (who were not much like
> >those of the modern pagan religion of Wicca, truth be told). The
> >ancient pagans were far more free-spirited and less influenced (if at
> >all) by the Christian church.
> >
> >As for the Morning Star/Satan connection: we will never really know
> >whether Shaitaan himself took the name or if the Jews of old assigned
> >it to him. One would have had to have been there.
> >
> >Don't believe all that you read and question EVERYTHING. Deeply
> >research everything before making statements as if you know
> >indefinitely the answer to a question. It is silly to hold strong
> >opinions about things that you are not yet well-versed in. I hope that
> >you will give better sources in the future as well, though I was
> >pleased to see that you gave at least one to support your claims. My
> >issue with your source is that you did not at the same time provide a
> >link to a webpage written by a Satanist and instead only provided a
> >link to anti-Satanic propaganda.
> >
> >Hope that that helped! By the way, the alt.religion.satanism faq is a
> >feature on my website (in case you care to learn more).
> >
> >Cheers, Taliszanna WhiteCrow:
> >Long-term Eclectic Spiritualist, Witch and Student of the Occult
> >http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/
>
>
> Just some additional info you may have over looked.
>
> * In egyptian times it was used as a symbol for Isis and subsequently
> was reguarded as fairly potent.
>
> * It is considered a male-orientated symbol if the single point is
> towards the bottom of the circle and female-orientated if the single
> point is upwards, (most illustrations appear to be missing the
> flames/menstrual flow that should be included between the two
> uppermost or bottom facing points, depending on which interpretation
> you choose, which way up you are hanging at the time, etc....).
>
> * The symbol was also used as the totemic sigel of Chem of Mendies
> from the First Testament of the Bible. Chem was a highly respected
> metalurgist, (and also lent his name to the study of "Alchemy", the
> search for the philosiphers stone) and was visited by Moses just as
> the Exodus started. Coincidentally Chem's animal familiar/symbol was
> a goat, hence Goat of Mendies as used many times by Hammer Studio's
> when they were still making dodgy horror films like the Devil Rides
> Out.
>
> ......and besides, I thought this was an NG about ASCII art, not
> religious symbolism.
>
> Who cares whether it is a "satanic", (whatever that's supposed to
> mean), symbol or not. Everyone is entitled to freedom of opinion and
> expression, preferably using a standard fixed pitch font in this
> particular forum :)
>
> Zarniwhoop
>
> ~> We are not human beings having a spiritual experience <~
> ~> We are spiritual beings having a human experience <~
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