Re: PENTAGRAMM - SATANICAL SYMBOL

I missed most of this thread, but thought I'd add this to any art that was
posted, as there was not any in the last two.


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Zarniwhoop <Yam...@cannabis.net> wrote in message
news:di1...@4ax.com...
> On 12 May 2002 04:31:10 -0700, tim...@angelfire.com (Taliszanna
> WhiteCrow) wrote:
> >
> >Not to sound as though I think that I myself am superior, but I have
> >been studying the occult for a long time and so I'll set you both
> >right as best I can. I have been a student of the occult for very
> >nearly all of my life. Currently, I'm a young'un at 21 years of age,
> >but that is still a long time to have been preoccupied with one
> >singular area of focus. There is much that I have left to learn, but I
> >am able to point out where you both have made errors. ***If anyone on
> >this list has studied the occult, talismanic signs & symbols,
> >witchcraft, neopaganism, mythology and archaeology for longer than I
> >have, feel free to correct me if by some chance I should make an error
> >about any of the following (though it's highly unlikely):
> >
> >The pentagram is your average 5-sided star, drawn with interconnecting
> >lines. The pentagram has been used since Egyptian times. When enclosed
> >by a circle it becomes a pentacle. The pentacle has been used for
> >hundreds of years and has even been used by the Catholic Church in the
> >far past. Today, the pentacle is used as a protective symbol by a
> >variety of groups: Wiccans and the general neopagan populace,
> >non-Wiccan witches, occultists, Ceremonial Magicians, religious
> >Satanists (as opposed to baby murderering cults), Goths (for fashion's
> >sake), and then (unfortunately) the immature teenagers who are
> >obsessed with fantasies of power and grandeur as well. Wiccans and
> >Neopagans tend to wear the pentacle with the star pointing upwards,
> >but sometimes wear it turned one degree to the left so that it sits
> >upon it's side (it looks as though it is upside-down). This is done
> >not to invoke anything negative, but rather to indicate that a student
> >has completed the first level of study and is now of the Second
> >Degree. Satanists often prefer to wear the pentacle upturned
> >(upside-down) because when wore as such it may represent the material
> >over the spiritual as well as a goat's head and horns (the face of The
> >Beast). The practises of Ceremonial Magicians varies and one would
> >have to specifically speak to one in order to know why and how he or
> >she utilizes the symbol (if at all-- there are few certainties among
> >this rather diverse collection of students).
> >
> >It is both true and false to say that the pentacle is a Satanic
> >symbol. While it is used by Satanists, it existed long before the
> >concept of Satan (or Shaitaan) even existed. It is more accurate to
> >say that the pentacle is a symbol which belongs to those who
> >appreciate it, birthed by the pagans of old (who were not much like
> >those of the modern pagan religion of Wicca, truth be told). The
> >ancient pagans were far more free-spirited and less influenced (if at
> >all) by the Christian church.
> >
> >As for the Morning Star/Satan connection: we will never really know
> >whether Shaitaan himself took the name or if the Jews of old assigned
> >it to him. One would have had to have been there.
> >
> >Don't believe all that you read and question EVERYTHING. Deeply
> >research everything before making statements as if you know
> >indefinitely the answer to a question. It is silly to hold strong
> >opinions about things that you are not yet well-versed in. I hope that
> >you will give better sources in the future as well, though I was
> >pleased to see that you gave at least one to support your claims. My
> >issue with your source is that you did not at the same time provide a
> >link to a webpage written by a Satanist and instead only provided a
> >link to anti-Satanic propaganda.
> >
> >Hope that that helped! By the way, the alt.religion.satanism faq is a
> >feature on my website (in case you care to learn more).
> >
> >Cheers, Taliszanna WhiteCrow:
> >Long-term Eclectic Spiritualist, Witch and Student of the Occult
> >http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/
>
>
> Just some additional info you may have over looked.
>
> * In egyptian times it was used as a symbol for Isis and subsequently
> was reguarded as fairly potent.
>
> * It is considered a male-orientated symbol if the single point is
> towards the bottom of the circle and female-orientated if the single
> point is upwards, (most illustrations appear to be missing the
> flames/menstrual flow that should be included between the two
> uppermost or bottom facing points, depending on which interpretation
> you choose, which way up you are hanging at the time, etc....).
>
> * The symbol was also used as the totemic sigel of Chem of Mendies
> from the First Testament of the Bible.   Chem was a highly respected
> metalurgist, (and also lent his name to the study of "Alchemy", the
> search for the philosiphers stone) and was visited by Moses just as
> the Exodus started.   Coincidentally Chem's animal familiar/symbol was
> a goat, hence Goat of Mendies as used many times by Hammer Studio's
> when they were still making dodgy horror films like the Devil Rides
> Out.
>
> ......and besides, I thought this was an NG about ASCII art, not
> religious symbolism.
>
> Who cares whether it is a "satanic", (whatever that's supposed to
> mean), symbol or not.   Everyone is entitled to freedom of opinion and
> expression, preferably using a standard fixed pitch font in this
> particular forum :)
>
> Zarniwhoop
>
> ~> We are not human beings having a spiritual experience <~
> ~>   We are spiritual beings having a human experience   <~

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