Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 17 Jul 1998.
WARNING: Control Codes *REVISED*
alt.ascii-art
· 43 messages · 17 Jul 1998 - 7 Aug 1998
Well, maybe no HTML here, but I know a few newsgroups in which everybody
posts in HTML, because it is needed for the things the newsgroups are
about....never mind, that's irrelevant.
-Sarah
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WARNING Revised 18 Jul 98
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*** HTML warning added and the Ascii Art Ten Commandments ***
Control Codes:
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PLEASE do *NOT* post Colour, Color, Control Codes, HTML or Animation
Codes to ASCII-ART newsgroups - or indeed ANY Internet newsgroup.
It can cause an awful lot of trouble on Net systems worldwide.
If you do wish to post Raw Code then UUENCODE it first !
Colour & Color Control Codes in subject titles and headers should be
avoided entirely.
Extended Character Set:
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The only Ascii characters which should be posted and used in Ascii
Art are:
Decimal characters 32 to 127.
The Extended Character Set of Decimal 128 to 255 made by using the
Alt key, and used for ANSI pictures, must be UUENCODED before
posting to the Net and should not be used in ASCII artwork pictures.
The Decimal Characters 0 to 32 are control codes and should not
be used in ASCII artwork.
Here is a chart of ascii characters:
[ provided by llizard 21/7/97 ]
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}| No, no, no, MUSTN'T use these: |{
}| |{
}| 0 NUL| 1 SOH| 2 STX| 3 ETX| 4 EOT| 5 ENQ| 6 ACK| 7 BEL|{
}| 8 BS | 9 HT | 10 NL | 11 VT | 12 NP | 13 CR | 14 SO | 15 SI |{
}| 16 DLE| 17 DC1| 18 DC2| 19 DC3| 20 DC4| 21 NAK| 22 SYN| 23 ETB|{
}| 24 CAN| 25 EM | 26 SUB| 27 ESC| 28 FS | 29 GS | 30 RS | 31 US |{
}| | |{
}|---------------------------------------------------------------|{
}| Yes, yes, yes, MUST use these: |{
}| |{
}| 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' |{
}| 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / |{
}| 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 |{
}| 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? |{
}| 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G |{
}| 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O |{
}| 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W |{
}| 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ |{
}| 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g |{
}|104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o |{
}|112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w |{
}|120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ | |{
}|---------------------------------------------------------------|{
}| No, no, no, MUST'NT use this one either: |{
}| |127 DEL|{
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The ones you mustn't use are control codes.
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Please do NOT post Colour & Color Control Codes in message headers
and titles.
The problems are due to some Net software recognising the
Raw Code as commands which make the software do unwanted
things and can even cause a system to crash.
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This message is being reposted frequently because many newcomers
to the Net do not seem to know the problems caused by Control Codes
used for Color, HTML, Animations etc.
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* *
* HTML, Mime, Java etc are not ASCII ! *
* ^^^ *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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-------The ASCII ART FAQ Ten Commandments.---------
\\\\`///
/ _ _| 1/ Thou shalt read the FAQ.
(\'('\/') 2/ Thou shalt not remove the
______/( >(__ Signature from any ASCII ART.
/`- \ \_=__| `\ 3/ Thou shalt not claim the Ownership
/ /__( _____\ _____ of someone else's ASCII ART.
/_ \.____ ," "." ",__ 4/ Thou shalt read the FAQ.
| / _\__/_ - / \ 5/ Thou shalt ask permission
\/ /____ \ASCII ART FAQ /// before using Someone else's
) / / \__\ - | ASCII ART.
'-.__|_/ ///| I VI | 6/ Thou shalt not sell Someone
\_ | | | else's ASCII ART.
| | II VII | 7/ Thou shalt read the darn FAQ.
\ | | | 8/ Thou shalt not post
/ | III VIII | unaccredited ASCII ART without
\ | | | mentioning that you didn't make it.
\_ | IV IX | 9/ Thou shalt not assume that
\| | | ASCII ART isn't ART at all.
| V X | 10/ Thou shalt read the FAQing FAQ.
|______b'ger______|
a copy of the FAQ can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/faq.htm
tutorials also available there!
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Bye,
Well, for one, there is a stationary newsgroup I find interesting, people do
neat stuff with the backgrounds of letters and posts there, it can be very
pretty. There is also a number of newsgroups in which people post
attachments all the time, like pictures, and .exp files in a newsgroup about
a game called creatures, people often trade norns there. Why is this
relevant?
-Sarah
> Well, for one, there is a stationary newsgroup I find interesting, people do > neat stuff with the backgrounds of letters and posts there, it can be very > pretty. There is also a number of newsgroups in which people post > attachments all the time, like pictures, and .exp files in a newsgroup about > a game called creatures, people often trade norns there. Why is this > relevant? Although someone else asked for the examples, I find it relevant to give examples of newsgroups where the bright and inevitable future has arrived. Even if the asciigangsteins keep their closed minds, there are many others on this newsgroup having more open minds. =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > This newsgroup "alt.ascii-art" is totally free and unmoderated and > therefore anyone can post whatever they like here, including HTML, > ANSI etc. but the consequences of using that freedom can be that > some newsgroup readers will object to postings they don't like and > then flamewars often erupt. This is a wishful thinking driven interpretation. Freedom on aaa is not the issue. Isolationism of aaa is the issue. That is, there will be a constant influx of newcomers to aaa who expect about the same netiquette as elsewhere on the net and then clash, particularly with the asciigangsteins, not with me ;-)) It is quite safe to predict that these clashes will become more and more often as isolationism will distance aaa further and further away from mainstream. As I pointed out, there are good means and ways for aaa to go mainstream _and_ preserve ascii pics, which is a source for lively entertainment here on aaa ;-)) =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
On 17 Jul 1998 19:14:43 GMT, Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> thought the rest of the world would be interested in hearing: �=================================================================== � � WARNING Revised 18 Jul 98 � �==================================================================== Isn't that tomorrow?
> Well, maybe no HTML here, but I know a few newsgroups in which everybody > posts in HTML, because it is needed for the things the newsgroups are > about....never mind, that's irrelevant. > -Sarah The bright and inevitable future arrives in stages. Another example is large on-line services such as msn, who are also using html already in their internal mail system and their internal newsgroups. =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
dilbertfan@usa.-dot-net (m allen adams jr) wrote: >On 17 Jul 1998 19:14:43 GMT, Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> thought the >rest of the world would be interested in hearing: >�=================================================================== >� >� WARNING Revised 18 Jul 98 >� >�==================================================================== >Isn't that tomorrow? Didn't anyone in kindergarten tell you the earth is in fact a spinning ball like sort of thing? Spinning that way ----> day --------|================night=================|------------------ day 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 ,_ . ._. _. . _ , . , _-\','|~\~~ ~~ ~~/ ;-'-' ~-', ,;_;_, ~~- /~~-\_/-'~'--' \~~| \,/' _-| Scand/ / |_/~-/-/~~ ~~--~~~~'---_ / AK ,/'-/~ '\./ ' , '|,'|~ ' ._/-, /~~ ~/-'~\_, Canada'-,| '|. ' UK,\ /'~ Russia / /_ /~ .-~ '| '',\~|\ _\~Euro ,_ . . /| `\ /'~ |_/~\\,-,~' \ " ,_,/ | | USA / . _-~'\_ _~|Mideast China\ ) /Japan ^ __-\ ./ ~ |\ \_ India / ~ ., Mex |'\ |, ~-_ . | \\_' ~| /~\SE\~ , Hawaii | ~-_' ;Carib \ Africa '-, \,' /\/ | | '\_,~'\_ \_ _, /' ' |, /|' Oceania | / \_ ~ | / \ ~'; -,_. | | South ~\ | | , '-_, ,; ~ ~\ Lake | \, Amer / \ / /| ,-, , -, Thomas | | ,/ | |' |/ ,- ~ \ '. | ,| ,/ \ ,/ \Austral| \o/ | / | ~ -~~-, / (| | | ,-' Lake Barger ~ /\ | / ,' ~ | | ',| ~ | | ~' | | | Here's you and here's Colin | | You posted somewhere in between bye, mic
Sarah and Tony Day <day...@uswest.net> wrote: >Well, maybe no HTML here, but I know a few newsgroups in which everybody >posts in HTML, because it is needed for the things the newsgroups are >about....never mind, that's irrelevant. > -Sarah What newsgroups are those then? Please list them. It is very relevant. Most people are not against HTML if used in the correct places, largely on the Web and Websites. Usenet newsgroups, unless specially designated otherwise, are expected to contain only the Ascii characters you can type on your keyboard in the form of words and messages. Ascii Art specifically uses those same keyboard characters to form pictures instead of words and this is explained in the FAQ. This newsgroup "alt.ascii-art" is totally free and unmoderated and therefore anyone can post whatever they like here, including HTML, ANSI etc. but the consequences of using that freedom can be that some newsgroup readers will object to postings they don't like and then flamewars often erupt. . /:\ |:| |:| |:| |:| __ *_ _ _ _ _ _ _ * ,_|:|_, / ) | `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-'| (Oo / _I_ | | +\ \ || __| ^ | LONG LIVE alt.ascii-art | \ \||___| | | free & unmoderated | | \ /.:.\-\ | (*) |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ | \^/ | |.:. /-----\ | _<">_ | `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-'| _(#)_ | |___|::oOo::| o+o \ / \0 0/ \ / (=) / |:<-T->:| 0'\ ^ /\/ \/\ ^ /`0 |_____\ ::: / /_^_\ | | /_^_\ | | \ \:/ || || | | || || | | | | d|_|b_T____________________________T_d|_|b \ / | \___ / / / | \_____\ / / `-' / / ______________________________ / -cfbd98- /____________ Bye,
Pete Casso (pet...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
: The bright and inevitable future arrives in stages. Another example is large
: on-line services such as msn, who are also using html already in their
: internal mail system and their internal newsgroups.
The amusing part is that I misread that as "infernal". The disturbing
part is that I didn't find anything odd about it. (that is, until I
noticed who wrote it)
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Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: >In those groups you'll get flamed if you post too much _text_ (happened >to me - one lady even claimed to have _killfiled_ me for it...). The >people there want _pictures_, not text. I suspect html and plain-text >are both equally off-topic in those groups... OK so what are the _names_ of the newsgroups where HTML postings are accepted and encouraged ? Posters here talk about them and fail to name the groups. :-( Bye,
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >In those groups you'll get flamed if you post too much _text_ (happened > >to me - one lady even claimed to have _killfiled_ me for it...). The > >people there want _pictures_, not text. I suspect html and plain-text > >are both equally off-topic in those groups... > > OK so what are the _names_ of the newsgroups where HTML postings are > accepted and encouraged ? Posters here talk about them and fail to > name the groups. :-( > I don't know, I've never seen one. I just commented that the one you suggested, alt.html is not one of them. :-/ -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
>Message-id: <35B...@sympatico.ca> >Although someone else asked for the examples, I find it relevant to give >examples of newsgroups where the bright and inevitable future has arrived. If you desire to be in the "bright and inevitable future": GO ! No one is stopping you... You don't need to force a change in this newsgroup. ASCII is simple.. ASCII is basic. ASCII is universal.... it doesn't need the bells and whistles...nor the hype of technological advancements. -joan -- .+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+. / joan stark ASCII ART GALLERY \ \ spu...@juno.com http://www.ascii-art.com / "+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+" -joan
Look, look, look! I thought you proposed and we agreed that you leave me alone and vice versa. Is your proposal now null and void? Anyway, I might as well enjoy whatever comes, multiple times in multiple threads even! You misinterpreted my point. It is not me who forces changes in this newsgroup, it is mainstream developments who will. Universality of ascii is crumbling, you can see almost everyday now that people with newer newsgroup software can't see or post the pics right. (And some can't get it right after fumbling with the settings) =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] =========================================================== Spunk1111 wrote: > > >Message-id: <35B...@sympatico.ca> > >Although someone else asked for the examples, I find it relevant to give > >examples of newsgroups where the bright and inevitable future has arrived. > > If you desire to be in the "bright and inevitable future": GO ! > No one is stopping you... > > You don't need to force a change in this newsgroup. ASCII is simple.. ASCII is > basic. > ASCII is universal.... it doesn't need the bells > and whistles...nor the hype of technological advancements. > > -joan > -- > .+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+. > / joan stark ASCII ART GALLERY \ > \ spu...@juno.com http://www.ascii-art.com / > "+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+"+.+" > > -joan
Ilmari Karonen wrote: > > Pete Casso (pet...@sympatico.ca) wrote: > : The bright and inevitable future arrives in stages. Another example is large > : on-line services such as msn, who are also using html already in their > : internal mail system and their internal newsgroups. > > The amusing part is that I misread that as "infernal". The disturbing > part is that I didn't find anything odd about it. (that is, until I > noticed who wrote it) There is nothing odd about any of my views. The oddity is that the topic of the discussion is not the real issue ;-)) =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Colin Douthwaite wrote: >> This newsgroup "alt.ascii-art" is totally free and unmoderated and >> therefore anyone can post whatever they like here, including HTML, >> ANSI etc. but the consequences of using that freedom can be that >> some newsgroup readers will object to postings they don't like and >> then flamewars often erupt. > This is a wishful thinking driven interpretation. Nope, it's reality...you have seen countless examples of what happens to those, no matter who they are, who post things here that other readers don't like. If you choose to believe otherwise then...dream on! _____|~~\_____ _____________ _-~ \ | \ _- | ) \ |__/ \ \ _- ) | | | \ \ _- | ) / |--| | | __-_______________ /__/_______| |_________ ( |---- | | `---------------'--\\\\ .`--' -Glyde- `|||| > Isolationism of aaa is the issue. Piffle. > That is, there will be a constant influx of newcomers to aaa who > expect about the same netiquette as elsewhere on the net More piffle. It's the same here as on most all unmoderated newsgroups on the Net...some try to comply with netiquette...others openly flout it. How many newsgroups do you actually read besides this one? Bye,
Sarah and Tony Day <day...@uswest.net> wrote: >Well, for one, there is a stationary newsgroup I find interesting, people do >neat stuff with the backgrounds of letters and posts there, it can be very >pretty. There is also a number of newsgroups in which people post >attachments all the time, like pictures, and .exp files in a newsgroup about >a game called creatures, people often trade norns there. >Why is this >relevant? > -Sarah It is relevant because it is interesting to know which newsgroups do actually allow HTML postings but it only helps if you list the actual newsgroup names e.g. alt.html alt.binaries.pictures.* HTMLised posts might well be appearing in some of the alt.binaries.* newsgroups. I'm afraid I cannot identify the groups you have seen HTML in from descriptions like "stationary newsgroup"; "creatures game newsgroup" and "a number of newsgroups". Are you perhaps referring to the K12 hierarchy of newsgroups which is specifically for schools? Or perhaps groups on Fidonet or Bulletin Boards rather than Usenet newsgroups? Bye,
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > > Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >Colin Douthwaite wrote: > >> This newsgroup "alt.ascii-art" is totally free and unmoderated and > >> therefore anyone can post whatever they like here, including HTML, > >> ANSI etc. but the consequences of using that freedom can be that > >> some newsgroup readers will object to postings they don't like and > >> then flamewars often erupt. > > > This is a wishful thinking driven interpretation. > > Nope, it's reality...you have seen countless examples of what > happens to those, no matter who they are, who post things here that > other readers don't like. You missed the point. People are posting non-FAQ compliant articles not because of the freedom on aaa. People are posting non-FAQ compliant articles because they do the same things as on other newsgroups. > > Isolationism of aaa is the issue. > > Piffle. > > > That is, there will be a constant influx of newcomers to aaa who > > expect about the same netiquette as elsewhere on the net > > More piffle. Well, piffle is not an issue related response. Are you running out of arguments? Anyway, only aaa requires people to adhere to certain unique things to preserve the pics, that's what I meant with isolationism of aaa. =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Sarah and Tony Day wrote: > >Why is this >relevant? > > It is relevant because it is interesting to know which newsgroups do > actually allow HTML postings but it only helps if you list the > actual newsgroup names e.g. > > alt.html NO! If you post html to alt.html you will get soooooooo F-L-A-M-E-D! That group is _about_ html, not _in_ html! (been there, seen that happen, done some of the flaming myself...) > alt.binaries.pictures.* > In those groups you'll get flamed if you post too much _text_ (happened to me - one lady even claimed to have _killfiled_ me for it...). The people there want _pictures_, not text. I suspect html and plain-text are both equally off-topic in those groups... -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
Look Colin, the real issue is NOT what appears as the discussion topics. You are addressing the wrong issue altogether in this and other threads. I wrote about the real issue in the past and proposed "ignore each other" as far back as a year ago. (Yes, this is contrary to what you and the asciigangsteins are saying about me being a troll. On the contrary, the asciigangsteins declined and the "ignore each other" proposal at the time. Spunkystein reinvented the same proposal recently, even said in a separate thread that she killfiled me. I thought we had a mutual agreement, but then she "responded' to a posting that was in no way directed to her. Other asciigangsteins are no better. -- And I am not someone who leaves personal insults unresponded.) You said: "The devils you know are better than the devils you don't." Well, in case you refer to yourself as a good devil, then try enforcing an "ignore each other" rule. It is the most effective way to prevent flare ups. So good devil Colin, what do you say? >So, to reiterate...apart from your stein cartoons, which I don't >personally object to...what have you done to improve this newsgroup >which so many enjoy...including yourself in your own way? Well, the Yangsteins love the 'steins. For example, there was yet another 'stein emulation just two days ago (which I awarded with 4 Frogsteins :-)) What greater contribution can there be than postings that people enjoy so much that they want to emulate? =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
> >ASCII is simple.. ASCII is > >basic. > > >ASCII is universal.... it doesn't need the bells > >and whistles...nor the hype of technological advancements. > > It was designed to survive a nukiller holocaust...and...HTML! *8-) Haha, it can't withstand even newer email and newsgroup software. ascii may be simple and basic, but newer software are going beyond simple and basic, well, in a few years you will be asking for html! =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
this seems to have come up a bit: 'well, where *do* i post in html' there have been some clever things done, like veronica's 'no html' thing that said one thing in ascii and another in html, pete's half-space stuff, etc. maybe there should be an html-art group? if there is any interest i'll review the new news group voting rules [it's easier to get a group picked up & propagated if you do the formal stuff i'm told.]. maybe we can promote 'pure' ascii as well as 'bright future' art? please keep 'alt.html.art' in the subject header so those not interested can skip it. my address: (rot13) cva...@qnegzbhgu.rqh
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Look, look, look! I thought you proposed and we agreed that you leave me alone >and vice versa. Is your proposal now null and void? Anyway, I might as well >enjoy whatever comes, multiple times in multiple threads even! >You misinterpreted my point. It is not me who forces changes in this >newsgroup, it is mainstream developments who will. Universality of ascii is >crumbling, you can see almost everyday now that people with newer newsgroup >software can't see or post the pics right. (And some can't get it right after >fumbling with the settings) Oh come off it Pete. Apart from your cartoons, what have you done to help this newsgroup "alt.ascii-art"? Your main aims appear to be to: - promote the use of HTML and encourage all attempts to do so here. - applaud newcomers like Mehta who post offensive messages and poohpooh the FAQs and Usenet Netiquette. - encourage schoolgirls like Sarah to continue to post without due regard to FAQs and good posting procedures. - attempt to stir up arguments which you so clearly enjoy, find entertaining and wish to continue as long as people will engage in them. That is a hallmark of a Newsgroup Troll. Many newsgroups have them, some Trolls are resident others are transient. When have you ever suggested to a newcomer that they should read and study the FAQs before continuing to post articles here? So, to reiterate...apart from your stein cartoons, which I don't personally object to...what have you done to improve this newsgroup which so many enjoy...including yourself in your own way? =========================================================== [] [] [] (__) (__) The devils you know are better [] [] ( "> <" ) than the devils you don't. [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) [] [] -cfbd98- [] =========================================================== Bye,
Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> wrote: >>Message-id: <35B...@sympatico.ca> >>Although someone else asked for the examples, I find it relevant to give >>examples of newsgroups where the bright and inevitable future has arrived. >If you desire to be in the "bright and inevitable future": GO ! >No one is stopping you... >You don't need to force a change in this newsgroup. ASCII is simple.. ASCII is >basic. >ASCII is universal.... it doesn't need the bells >and whistles...nor the hype of technological advancements. It was designed to survive a nukiller holocaust...and...HTML! *8-) |_| | | "|" | |\/| | | ____ __,-~~/~ `---. | _/_,---( , ) |_ __ / < / ) \____ - ------===;;;'====------------------===;;;===----- - - \/ ~"~"~"~"~"~\~"~)~"/ (_ ( \ ( > \) \_( _ < >_>' ~ `-i' ::>|--" I;|.|.| <|i::|i|`. (` ^'"`-' ") ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nuclear Explosion Mushroom. by Bill March Bye,
> maybe there should be an html-art group? if there is any interest i'll > review the new news group voting rules [it's easier to get a group picked > up & propagated if you do the formal stuff i'm told.]. checking a bit i find a top level hierarchy 'html' [like alt, soc, free, etc] for posting in html might be in the works. so maybe we hold on the new group for now until that's decided. my address: (rot13) cva...@qnegzbhgu.rqh
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >ASCII is simple.. ASCII is >> >basic. >> >> >ASCII is universal.... it doesn't need the bells >> >and whistles...nor the hype of technological advancements. >> >> It was designed to survive a nukiller holocaust...and...HTML! *8-) >Haha, it can't withstand even newer email and newsgroup software. ascii may be >simple and basic, but newer software are going beyond simple and basic, well, >in a few years you will be asking for html! Like the man says... /\_/\ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ | | / \ \.___;;;;;;;___./ | THAT'LL BE THE DAY!... | \_____________/ | | | - - | / \ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _/ | J | / \ == / - _ _ _ /~ () ~\ _ _ _ / ; / / "' '\) ; ; ( / / ;(/ | | ; | ) / / ; | | ; | ( / / ; | | ; | ( | | ; | | ; | ) | | ; | | ; | / ~'(|=====' | | ; | | ; |/\._;` | | ;,,,,| |,,,,; ./ -.. | |\./ :,,(\_,|||||[]||||| ''/~~|: /\ :|~~\ | |: : : :| | JOHN WAYNE -cfbd- \./\_ _/ \_ _/\./ ) | |_ | |__ ((__) (_- _) Dream on Pete... Bye,
sgt pinback wrote: > > > maybe there should be an html-art group? if there is any interest i'll > > review the new news group voting rules [it's easier to get a group picked > > up & propagated if you do the formal stuff i'm told.]. > > checking a bit i find a top level hierarchy 'html' [like alt, soc, free, etc] > for posting in html might be in the works. so maybe we hold on the new group > for now until that's decided. Wow! That sounds like a lot of newsgroups to post "bright future" art to! =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
No response from good devil Colin on this one. He gave the impression of wanting to address issues ... =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] =========================================================== Pete Casso wrote: > > Look Colin, the real issue is NOT what appears as the discussion topics. You > are addressing the wrong issue altogether in this and other threads. I wrote > about the real issue in the past and proposed "ignore each other" as far back > as a year ago. > > (Yes, this is contrary to what you and the asciigangsteins are saying about me > being a troll. On the contrary, the asciigangsteins declined and the "ignore > each other" proposal at the time. Spunkystein reinvented the same proposal > recently, even said in a separate thread that she killfiled me. I thought we > had a mutual agreement, but then she "responded' to a posting that was in no > way directed to her. Other asciigangsteins are no better. -- And I am not > someone who leaves personal insults unresponded.) > > You said: "The devils you know are better than the devils you don't." Well, in > case you refer to yourself as a good devil, then try enforcing an "ignore each > other" rule. It is the most effective way to prevent flare ups. > > So good devil Colin, what do you say? > > >So, to reiterate...apart from your stein cartoons, which I don't > >personally object to...what have you done to improve this newsgroup > >which so many enjoy...including yourself in your own way? > > Well, the Yangsteins love the 'steins. For example, there was yet another > 'stein emulation just two days ago (which I awarded with 4 Frogsteins :-)) > What greater contribution can there be than postings that people enjoy so much > that they want to emulate? > > =========================================================== > [] [] > [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] > [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] > [] ,(> )><( <), [] > [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] > [] [] > ===========================================================
> > /\_/\ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > | | / \ > \.___;;;;;;;___./ | THAT'LL BE THE DAY!... | > \_____________/ | | > | - - | / \ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _/ > | J | / > \ == / - > _ _ _ /~ () ~\ _ _ _ > / ; / / "' '\) ; ; ( > / / ;(/ | | ; | ) > / / ; | | ; | ( > / / ; | | ; | ( > | | ; | | ; | ) > | | ; | | ; | / ~'(|=====' > | | ; | | ; |/\._;` > | | ;,,,,| |,,,,; ./ > -.. | |\./ > :,,(\_,|||||[]||||| Hey! ShortLegstein! My legs > ''/~~|: /\ :|~~\ are still shorter than yours! > | |: : : :| | \ > -cfbd- \./\_ _/ \_ _/\./ oo. > ) | |_ | |__ (- ) > ((__) (_- _) " " =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >sgt pinback wrote: >> >> > maybe there should be an html-art group? if there is any interest i'll >> > review the new news group voting rules [it's easier to get a group picked >> > up & propagated if you do the formal stuff i'm told.]. >> >> checking a bit i find a top level hierarchy 'html' [like alt, soc, free, etc] >> for posting in html might be in the works. so maybe we hold on the new group >> for now until that's decided. >Wow! That sounds like a lot of newsgroups to post "bright future" art to! According to you, and Sarah Day, there are plenty of those newsgroups already but you both fail to name them despite requests to do so. :-( So come on now Pete...either put-up...or shut-up! Bye,
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >No response from good devil Colin on this one. He gave the impression of >wanting to address issues ... This is the first time I've seen this post of yours...my newsfeed is very flakey here right now and it looks today (Wednesday) that a big load of articles have been lost in a news-server crash...happens from time to time all over the Net. :-( Pete Casso wrote: > Look Colin, the real issue is NOT what appears as the discussion > topics. You are addressing the wrong issue altogether in this and > other threads. I wrote about the real issue in the past and > proposed "ignore each other" as far back as a year ago. I use my own judgement and selection of the relevant issues not what _you_ might consider are the real issues. Sorry, but I don't think you _do_ wish to be ignored. On the contrary your posts throughout your time on this newsgroup show that you crave attention and enjoy argument and flamewars. In any case I use my own judgement of the relevant issues not what _you_ think those issues are...so there...Hah! > (Yes, this is contrary to what you and the asciigangsteins are > saying about me being a troll. But so many of the things you write when you get attacked have all the classic hallmarks of a Troll...that's why you get called a Troll. Did you not see the Troll FAQ I posted here not long ago? > On the contrary, the asciigangsteins declined and the "ignore each > other" proposal at the time. I realise I am repeating myself but the way I see it is that you do not really wish to be ignored. You appear to want everyone to accept your views and say nothing if they do not like those views. Some people are willing to do just that and others are not. If everyone totally ignores your postings then you become isolated and cannot possibly enjoy it here. In fact you must begin to wonder whether they have seen or read your postings...like this very example where you were saying I had not responded...now that is a dead giveaway that you _Don't_ want to be ignored here. So I guess you cannot have your cake and eat it Pete! > Spunkystein reinvented the same proposal recently, even said in a > separate thread that she killfiled me. Look, you are going to win no friends or influence people by calling them "Spunkystein" or "Anyothernamestein". Several people in the past have told you that they do not like you doing it but you continue to do it. What's your point in doing it except to stir up bad feeling? - one of the hallmarks of a Troll. > I thought we had a mutual agreement, but then she "responded' to a > posting that was in no way directed to her. Other asciigangsteins > are no better. -- And I am not someone who leaves personal > insults unresponded.) Joan Stark earns respect here because of her work not because of her personal viewpoints. I do not think she is a person who would engage in any agreement to refrain from expressing her views about how anyone behaves on this newsgroup. > You said: "The devils you know are better than the devils you > don't." Well, in case you refer to yourself as a good devil,... I was tempted to diddle your cartoon on the spur of the moment and use a very old cliche " The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't. " I did not intend it to have a hidden meaning or that the two Devils represented people who read alt.ascii-art. >...then try enforcing an "ignore each other" rule. It is the most > effective way to prevent flare ups. There is no way of enforcing anything on the Net. People either get along with each other or they don't! > So good devil Colin, what do you say? I think I've already said enough above...and remember I am not obliged to respond to _any_ of your posts...I can just ignore them if I so choose and you have the same privilege. > >So, to reiterate...apart from your stein cartoons, which I don't > >personally object to...what have you done to improve this newsgroup > >which so many enjoy...including yourself in your own way? > Well, the Yangsteins love the 'steins. For example, there was yet another > 'stein emulation just two days ago (which I awarded with 4 Frogsteins :-)) > What greater contribution can there be than postings that people enjoy so much > that they want to emulate? Re-read what I said viz: "apart from your stein cartoons" <SIGH> ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ Give it a rest Pete! You're tiring me out. *8-) Bye,
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Pete Casso wrote: > Look, look, look! I thought you proposed and we agreed that you leave me alone > and vice versa. Is your proposal now null and void? Anyway, I might as well > enjoy whatever comes, multiple times in multiple threads even! > > You misinterpreted my point. It is not me who forces changes in this > newsgroup, it is mainstream developments who will. Universality of ascii is > crumbling, you can see almost everyday now that people with newer newsgroup > software can't see or post the pics right. (And some can't get it right after > fumbling with the settings) Only someone that doesn't know what ASCII code is would make such a statement. The problem is not the code but those that don't know how to use it or the computers that depend on it. In other words, you need to know more than where the "ON" switch is located for your computer. This is posted from two connected computers that depend on ASCII code. They also don't know what to do with graphic codes, and I like it that way > > =========================================================== > [] [] > [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] > [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] > [] ,(> )><( <), [] > [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] > [] [] > =========================================================== Happy to help anytime, John *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====* # John Wm Sloniker <joh...@serv.net> Seattle, WA # *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*
-- =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Whatever, over the past few days I have given you some very intensive > care and attention and helped you win one or two friends and influence > people. Try not to spoil it all though now, be a good lad and don't let > me and Dale Carnegie down. There was indeed one constructive aspect, the "Call for evidence" with the related discussions. Not sure about winning friends, you stirred up a lot of old dust out of their original context. Oh well, I'm not going to nickel and dime those things. =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Colin wrote: >According to you, and Sarah Day, there are plenty of those newsgroups >already but you both fail to name them despite requests to do so. :-( Just open your eyes and see the html postings here on aaa with you objecting to them <grin> On aol and msn, people routinely post in html/RTF with nobody objecting to them <big grin> (This does not mean that I recommend posting in html on aaa right now. On the contrary, I said that that will be a few years out. I also said, that that does not happen because I or anyone else recommends that, but because newsgroup (and email) software is going that way. I know, I know, I repeat myself, but if I didn't, then in the next posting Colin is posting unfounded accusations that I recommend posting html on aaa right now, and on and on and on ...) >So come on now Pete...either put-up...or shut-up! Well, it seems that it is you who should either put-up or shut-up. That is easier to do if you drop your selective perception. =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
Oh dear, a regurgitation of the past year, the seesaw goes like this: Colin wrote: >>>So, to reiterate...apart from your stein cartoons, which I don't >>>personally object to...what have you done to improve this newsgroup >>>which so many enjoy...including yourself in your own way? Pete wrote: >> Well, the Yangsteins love the 'steins. For example, there was yet another >> 'stein emulation just two days ago (which I awarded with 4 Frogsteins :-)) >> What greater contribution can there be than postings that people enjoy so much >> that they want to emulate? Colin wrote: >Re-read what I said viz: "apart from your stein cartoons" <SIGH> ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ... and now Pete writes: Re-read what I said viz: "What greater contribution can there be than postings that people enjoy so much that they want to emulate?" They happen to be my 'stein cartoons! Reminds me of the job applicant who put just two words in his resume: Nobel prize. And the interviewer asked: "Apart from that, what else?" ... and then Colin will write: the same things all over again <SIGH> ... and the seesaw continues ... >Give it a rest Pete! You're tiring me out. *8-) Let me assure you, Colin, that I have been tired since over a year with the kind of attention that you and the asciigangsteins are giving me. (... and of course, I have been returning the same kind of attention to you and the asciigangsteins, what do you expect?) Well, I indeed thought that you finally came up with something constructive in your last posting in this thread ... Perhaps the asciigangsteins should engrave my name in their killfiles and keep it there for all eternity. That should be constructive ... =========================================================== [] [] [] ,, (__) As bride and groom we hail [] [] ( "> <" ) all devils with but one tail [] [] ,(> )><( <), [] [] ( ^^ ^^ ) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] [] ===========================================================
On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:35:27 GMT, Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Let me assure you, Colin, that I have been tired since over a year >with the kind of attention that you and the asciigangsteins are >giving me. In that case Pete perhaps it's time for you to retire before you are too tired to enjoy your retirement! :-) And perhaps it is time that I too retired and went into hiding to trouble you no more. <Aaaw!> Whatever, over the past few days I have given you some very intensive care and attention and helped you win one or two friends and influence people. Try not to spoil it all though now, be a good lad and don't let me and Dale Carnegie down. Bye,
On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:05:26 GMT, Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Colin wrote: >>According to you, and Sarah Day, there are plenty of those newsgroups >>already but you both fail to name them despite requests to do so. :-( >Just open your eyes and see the html postings here on aaa with you objecting >to them <grin> On aol and msn, people routinely post in html/RTF with nobody >objecting to them <big grin> [...snip...] >Well, it seems that it is you who should either put-up or shut-up. That is >easier to do if you drop your selective perception. What I want either you or Sarah Day to do, or indeed anyone, is write down a list of the NAMES of the Usenet newsgroups which accept and encourage the posting of HTML in discussion groups. Veronica has said that HTML causes flames if posted in alt.binaries.* newsgroups or alt.html which I thought may be willing to accept them...but apparently the readers in those newsgroups object to HTML postings just as strongly as other newsgroups object to HTML in those groups. So I repeat...put-up a list of the NAMES of the Usenet newsgroups which currently accept and encourage HTML postings or if you do not have any names of newsgroups then shut-up! Bye,
>According to you, and Sarah Day, there are plenty of those newsgroups >already but you both fail to name them despite requests to do so. :-( I'm sorry, I thought you just wanted names of html using groups for ascii, which I know none of. I know of stationary newsgroups, and such, however. Did you want to know the names of them? Sorry again. Sarah
Sorry. :^( Well, for one, there is (warning: long name)
microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress.stationary Everybody posts
html there, well, most everybody, anyway. Sorry again. Forgive me? I didn't
want to get in an argument.
-Sarah
.----- On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:26:48 -0400, sgt pinback posted: | this seems to have come up a bit: 'well, where *do* i post in html' |there have been some clever things done, like veronica's 'no html' thing |that said one thing in ascii and another in html, pete's half-space |stuff, etc. | maybe there should be an html-art group? if there is any interest i'll |review the new news group voting rules [it's easier to get a group picked |up & propagated if you do the formal stuff i'm told.]. | maybe we can promote 'pure' ascii as well as 'bright future' art? | | please keep 'alt.html.art' in the subject header so those not interested |can skip it. | '------------------------------ Couldn`t it be alt.ascii-art.html or something? To keep it with this group in an alphabetical list? Then maybe we could have alt.ascii-art.html.animation for JavaScript anims. Byeeeeeee, nitraMartin |\/| _..__|_o._ /\_|_| o._ _ mart.atkins@-- | |(_|| |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_> --bigfoot.com
Martin Atkins wrote: > Then maybe we could have alt.ascii-art.html.animation for > JavaScript anims. > Why? There already is alt.ascii-art.animation, which isn't exactly over-crowded... -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
.----- On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:28:14 +0200, Veronica Karlsson posted: |Martin Atkins wrote: |> Then maybe we could have alt.ascii-art.html.animation for |> JavaScript anims. |> | |Why? There already is alt.ascii-art.animation, which isn't exactly |over-crowded... | '--------------------- It was just an idea... :o) |\/| _..__|_o._ /\_|_| o._ _ mart.atkins@-- | |(_|| |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_> --bigfoot.com
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