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Original Usenet message from alt.ascii-art, 6 Jan 1999.
Re: [Wolf] big ascii wolf symbol

Re: [Wolf] big ascii wolf symbol

From miK <mi...@dataweb.nl> · alt.ascii-art · 6 Jan 1999 00:00 · View full thread
Perhaps I'm not the right person to respond -- because
I hardly ever sign the ASCII pictures I make myself --
but I agree Veronica's question deserves a more sensible
response than my initial reply.

spu...@aol.comASCIIart (Spunk1111) wrote:

>>Message-id: <T+m...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk>
>
>I think the point VK was making is whether
>or not one should 'initial' or take credit for
>a converted pic-- one that is created via
>special software...

Yes. She isn't against posting conversions per se. I
twisted her words. 

>It's a valid question.   If you don't create the
>gif... you don't create the special software
>or program... and  there is no diddling or artistic
>tweaking afterwards, is it really deserving
>of your initials for credit?  Can you (or should
>you) take credit for the ASCII "art"?

But it _always_ takes a lot of preparation of the
original bitmap  -- *and* tidying up afterwards --
to create something recognizable (let alone "artistic")
by way of conversion.

If you pick just a picture from just a Webpage and
run it through a converter you'll probably end
up with a huge text file chanting the alphabet
in random order...

So -- at least in my experience -- an conversion
takes a lot more than writing "gif2ascii picture.gif"
on the command line.

First one has to prepare the bitmap
-- by resizing it, getting rid of the colour,
cutting down on shades of grey, etc. --
*without* losing the image...

And second
-- because converters just care for shades of grey,
not for things *we* like about an ASCII pic like
"smooth edges" --
one has to clean up the mess the prog made,
in order to regain the image.

To me it seems, in the process of conversion there
are *2* stages of (re?)"creation".

But I'm not sure whether "considerable effort" is
enough reason to take credit for an image.
What about originality?


I hope this makes sense to anyone...

,mic

>This particular situation is different as the
>person who posted the ASCII pic also
>created the gif that it was converted from.
>
>However, it is a thought-- perhaps we can
>generate discussion about this...  (hopefully
>without being argumentative...)

BTW Do all French wolves look like lions/gryphons?


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From: mi...@dataweb.nl (miK)
Subject: Re: [Wolf] big ascii wolf symbol
Date: 1999/01/06
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