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Original Usenet message from alt.ascii-art, 2 Sep 1998.
Re: [pic] Font

Re: [pic] Font

> This is where it all went wrong in our previous discussion.
> We don't have the same definition about what ascii art is.

Well, you may not have been aware of the different definitions, but I have
been aware of it all along. I may have used different words in the past, but
the point has always been, that the ascii community is equating artform and
medium. No other art community does that. When it comes to woodcutting, you
too diferrentiated between artform/ends and means/medium.

> 1)-Ascii art is a computer (!) artform. It uses the computer as medium.
>    The computer renders ascii art through the screen.
>    (note: ASCII has been created to exchange infomation from a computer
>    to an other, it is a product of the computer era: art using ASCII
>    can only exist on a computer).
> 
> 2)-The component of ascii art is the American Standard blah blah...
>    in short: ASCII.
>    ASCII includes: a certain amount of typogaphic characters
>                    a certain amount of control codes
>                    a certain amount of bits
> 
>    ascii art uses: a certain amount of typogaphic characters
>                    a fixed width font
>                    a certain amount of bits
> 
> 3)- An -ascii pic- is the result of the practice of ascii art.

Well, the above is exactly what I meant with equating means and ends. Not that
I disagree with ascii being a computer artform etc, but the resulting message
in the above three paragraphs is analogous to (outrageously) equating woodcut
and print.

> note: I guess you can get ascii art on the wall if you project
>       the rendering  of your screen on it.  :)

Aha, this is true, the ascii artform does not change when you change the
medium. And equally significant, instead of projecting the ascii art on the
wall, you could draw it with pen and paper, something that you found funny elsewhere.

Glad, that you find yourself funny!  :-)

> Ascii art must use ASCII (as discribed above)as "material" (like a
> painting must use paint).
> When you turn an ascii art picture into a gif (or whatever) you get a gif
> (a reproduction) of an ascii pic but it is not -technicaly speaking-
> ascii art anymore.
> (please note the difference between -ascii art- and -ascii pic-)
> But: You can, indeed, save ascii pics in a bunch of different computer formats,

ascii art is based on ascii code, if that's what you mean.

But there is no reproduction. The ascii code is rendered in a .txt medium and
I think you want to call that ascii art. The ascii code is rendered in a .gif
medium and I think you want to call that ascii pic. I think the naming is
completely arbitrary, but using the naming nevertheless, and for the above
reason, an ascii pic is not a reproduction of an ascii art. They are both
rendering of ascii code on an at par basis.

>      you can even print them.   :)

Instead of printing, you could also draw them with pen and paper!
Glad , that you find yourself funny again!  :-)

> As I wrote before ASCII (thus ascii art too) is a product of the
> computer era: therefore art made on a typewriter couldn't possibly
> be called ascii art.

Equating woodcut and print again!

> I won't even talk about pencil & paper.  ;)

Wow, glad, you find yourself funny for a third time!  :-)

I would love to give the cartoon below an award, but the various pictorial
components do not work together in producing the message in the caption. It
would seem to me that the person plus caption can stand alone? The pic itself
is great though, no doubt about that!

> [the Mad Scientist PeteCassoStein,
>  at work, in his laboratorium]
> 
>     "The article is immersed in the gif format producing
>      immediate asciing, typical with non fixed font.
>      After about 15 minutes, the article is removed
>      and washed thoroughly in Shokwave solution. It is
>      allowed to dry in air, and may be HTML finished when dry."
>                                            |
>                                            /
>                                      \
>                                     _/\__
>                                    /_____\  /_
>           ribbit...                \-[@ @]  .
>             /                      C\  _\)
>         .oo                     _____)=_/
>      __(  o)_                  /   __)/  \
>    _|   " " .|                /   o       \
>   | |       .|               /   /      /  \
>    \|       .|              /   /      /\   \
>     |________|             /_  <     \/  \___\
>     __|___|__             _//\  \     \    \\_
>  __|_________|____       / _\ \  \     \   /_ \
>                  _|      \| /  \  \     \  \ |/
>                 |               \_>_____/       ribbit...
>                 |               /   /  /          /
>                 |oo  ribbit!   /   /  /         oo.
>  _____________  | o)        __/   /  /__       (o  )
>  b'ger     ...|_|."......./___\__/___\__\......." "..
> 
> --
> Frogstein is created by Pete Casso.

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