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Original Usenet message from alt.ascii-art, 14 Nov 1999.
Re: Warning -- ASCII art and Netscape Messenger 5.0

Re: Warning -- ASCII art and Netscape Messenger 5.0

> miK wrote:
> > Ben Bucksch wrote:
> > >I forgot to mention: You not only have the choice to do so, it is the
> > >default. We need the pre detection only for the case, the user decided
> > >to view his messages in a proprotional font.
> > Does this also mean the default for sending a Usenet-message is
> > plain text instead of text/HTML?
> 
> The display has nothing to do with composing.

I thought so. Just checking.
 
> > If so, this would bridge the gap between newby users and Use-
> > netiquette IMHO. The common newby-flame is bashing him/her
> > for posting in text/HTML... and MS can't be held responsible
> > solely for that. (Just talking about talk-newsgroups here)
> > 
> > If not, did Netscape (or the other major player for that matter)
> > ever consider that a "Usenetter" is different from a "Maildork"?
> 
> I disagree. If I don't know, if the recipient can read HTML or not, I
> have to assume currently, he cannot.

That sounds reasonable.
 
> > IMHO it would be an improvement if you'd distinguish
> > between those two target groups. For News: text = OK, for
> > e-mail: all formats will do. Just because talking to a friend
> > isn't as drastic as YELLING TO THE WORLD,.. duologue.

To make myself clear. Like you, I'd rather have both News and E-mail
default to plain text (after all this is a resident of alt.ascii-art
speaking). But I had the impression that it was Netscape's policy to
encourage HTML-mail. Therefore the compromise...

> We had a very long discussion on n.p.m.mail-news about that topic.

Yes, I've read it. Kinda lost track of all the pro's and cons and
what the outcome was, but you've solved that.

> However, I wasn't able to change something (towards plaintext).

Sorry for that.

> The current default behaviour for mail in Messenger 4.x is (details are
> certainly wrong):
> Compose in HTML
> User hits "Send"
> Check, if all recipients like HTML
> +-yes
> | Send HTML
> +-no
>   Check, if there's formatting in the msgs
>   +-no
>   | Send Plain Text
>   +-yes
>     Ask, what to do: Send TXT, Send HTML or both (both is selected).
>     If there's more than one recipient, this can be set for each
>     individually.
> 
> I don't know about news, but it might be similar.

It is, TMK.

> In 5.0, the plan is to default news to plain text and mail similar to
> 4.x IIRC.

Well, despite the latter this _is_ a slight improvement.

Mic

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Subject: Re: Warning -- ASCII art and Netscape Messenger 5.0
Date: 1999/11/14
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