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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 19 Oct 1997.
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alt.ascii-art · 18 messages · 19 Oct 1997 - 25 Oct 1997
I am looking for a ascii-art Pentagram

Sweeper <Swe...@GMX.net> ASCII art 19 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report


>I am looking for a ascii-art Pentagram

I've tryed out something.. hope you like it

        /\
       ____/  \____
   \  /    \  /
    \/      \/
           /\      /\
          /  \    /  \
         /____\  /____\
               \/

Check it out.. your ]Sweeper[
Swe...@GMX.Net

Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> writes:


Phew! These things are really hard to do! This took me ges, and it's still
all ragged! :-/

                8
               y88
              88`88
             88' `88
 d888888888888888888888888888888b
  `88.      88'    `88      .88'
    `88.   88'      `88  .88'
      `88.88'        `8888'
        >888.       .888<
        .88`88.   .88'`88.
       .88'  `88.88'   `88.
      .88'   ,o8'`8o,   `88.
     .88' ,o88"     "88, `88.
    .88o88"            "88o88.
    d8"                    "8b
                                  hjw
*hugs*

Hayley
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        (o\---/o)        (o\-~-/o)        (o\~~~/o)
         ( 6 6 )          ( , , )          ( 9 9 )
 ____,~~.(_(T)_),~~.__,--.{_(Y)_},--.__,--.(_(T)_),--.____
|    "--"       "--"  "--"       "--"  "~~"       "~~"    |
|Hayley J. Wakenshaw (flump AT quadrant DOT xs4all DOT nl)|
|   Flump's Ascii Collection: http://www.xs4all.nl/~klr   |   
|   _,-.    ,-._       _,-.    ,-._        _,-.    ,-._   |   
|__(ooO )__( Ooo)_____(ooO )__( Ooo)______(ooO )__( Ooo)__|  
   ((_) )  ( (_))     ((_) )  ( (_))      ((_) )  ( (_))
    "--"    "--"       "~~"    "~~"        "-~"    "~-"
    i liked things better when i didn't understand them. 
                    - Calvin & Hobbes

Menolly <ari...@indy.net> ASCII art 20 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
Phosphor (jus...@csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: Here's some small Pentagram pentagrams. (not Pantacles)             

:                      .,.                       
:                  .,o88888o,.                
:               .o8o"''   ``"o8o.            
:             .o8`8.8o     o8.8`8o.           
:            .8"' `8`"8o.o8"'8' `"8.          
:           .8'    8.,o8'8o,.8    `8.         
:           o'    .o8"'   `"8o.    `o        
:           8  .o8'"8.     .8`"8o.  8         
:           8.8"'   `8     8'   `"8.8         
:           o8o8o8o8o8.8o8.8o8o8o8o8o         
:           `o.      `8   8'      .o'         
:            `o.      8. .8      .o'          
:             `8o,.   `8 8'   .,o8'           
:               `8oo,. 8.8 .,oo8'             
:                  `"8oo8oo8"'                
:                      `"'                    

: 'course, if you want one that looks good, do it in ansi, instead!


--


  Off topic question...why do you have the two points in the up direction
instead of going downwards?

  On topic note....nice job.  I'd go nuts trying to get the things to look
good without the lines wrapping around.  :)

Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> ASCII art 20 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Hayley Jane Wakenshaw wrote:

> Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> writes:
> 
> 
> Phew! These things are really hard to do! This took me ges, and it's still
> all ragged! :-/

That's just the way it will look if you use ascii, UNLESS you use the
characters as the background, and leave the pentacle white (negative
space). Do you know what i mean? if you do it that way, the "ragged"
characteristic of the pentacle will be greatly reduced. I'm too busy to
draw, though...

--phi omicron sigma phi omicron rho

>                 8
>                y88
>               88`88
>              88' `88
>  d888888888888888888888888888888b
>   `88.      88'    `88      .88'
>     `88.   88'      `88  .88'
>       `88.88'        `8888'
>         >888.       .888<
>         .88`88.   .88'`88.
>        .88'  `88.88'   `88.
>       .88'   ,o8'`8o,   `88.
>      .88' ,o88"     "88, `88.
>     .88o88"            "88o88.
>     d8"                    "8b
>                                   hjw
> *hugs*
> 
> Hayley
> --
>          _     _          _     _          _     _
>         (o\---/o)        (o\-~-/o)        (o\~~~/o)
>          ( 6 6 )          ( , , )          ( 9 9 )
>  ____,~~.(_(T)_),~~.__,--.{_(Y)_},--.__,--.(_(T)_),--.____
> |    "--"       "--"  "--"       "--"  "~~"       "~~"    |
> |Hayley J. Wakenshaw (flump AT quadrant DOT xs4all DOT nl)|
> |   Flump's Ascii Collection: http://www.xs4all.nl/~klr   |   
> |   _,-.    ,-._       _,-.    ,-._        _,-.    ,-._   |   
> |__(ooO )__( Ooo)_____(ooO )__( Ooo)______(ooO )__( Ooo)__|  
>    ((_) )  ( (_))     ((_) )  ( (_))      ((_) )  ( (_))
>     "--"    "--"       "~~"    "~~"        "-~"    "~-"
>     i liked things better when i didn't understand them. 
>                     - Calvin & Hobbes
> 
> 

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Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> ASCII art 20 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Wizard wrote:

> this was send to me it is a good start :)
>                         .....
>                    .d$$$$*$$$$$$bc
>                 .d$P"    d$$    "*$$.
>                d$"      4$"$$      "$$.
>              4$P        $F ^$F       "$c
>             z$%        d$   3$        ^$L
>            4$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$F
>            $$$F"""""""$F""""""$F"""""C$$*$
>           .$%"$$e    d$       3$   z$$"  $F
>           4$    *$$.4$"        $$d$P"    $$
>           4$      ^*$$.       .d$F       $$
>           4$       d$"$$c   z$$"3$       $F
>            $L     4$"  ^*$$$P"   $$     4$"
>            3$     $F   .d$P$$e   ^$F    $P
>             $$   d$  .$$"    "$$c 3$   d$
>              *$.4$"z$$"        ^*$$$$ $$
>               "$$$$P"             "$$$P
>                 *$b.             .d$P"
>                   "$$$ec.....ze$$$"
>                       "**$$$**""

Here's some small Pentagram pentagrams. (not Pantacles)             

                     .,.                       
                 .,o88888o,.                
              .o8o"''   ``"o8o.            
            .o8`8.8o     o8.8`8o.           
           .8"' `8`"8o.o8"'8' `"8.          
          .8'    8.,o8'8o,.8    `8.         
          o'    .o8"'   `"8o.    `o        
          8  .o8'"8.     .8`"8o.  8         
          8.8"'   `8     8'   `"8.8         
          o8o8o8o8o8.8o8.8o8o8o8o8o         
          `o.      `8   8'      .o'         
           `o.      8. .8      .o'          
            `8o,.   `8 8'   .,o8'           
              `8oo,. 8.8 .,oo8'             
                 `"8oo8oo8"'                
                     `"'                    

                                            
                                            
                  . ` ` ` .                 
                `            `             
             .  . .       . .  .            
            `       .   .       `           
           .     .   . .   .     .          
                  .       .                
          .    .  .       .  .    .         
          . .                   . .         
           . . . . . . . . . . . .          
           .                     .          
                    .   .                   
             .                 .            
               .     . .     .              
                 `  . . .  `                
                                            
                                            
'course, if you want one that looks good, do it in ansi, instead!

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miK <ffw...@dataweb.nl> 21 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> wrote:

>> : 'course, if you want one that looks good, do it in ansi, instead!

>Well, I have enjoyed making most of my artwork (the little I have as of
>yet) color by putting it in html and into my web-page scrapbook. HTML is
>fairly easy to master, and as long as you do 'bottom up' coloration, it
>is easy to colorize pictures, as well.

Just a little technical question...

I too have miraculously multiplied my own - wild guess - 394 bytes of
Ascii-art lately by adding color with html. :)
I assume you color the background with <BGCOLOR>, and the characters
by the use of <FONT COLOR>. What do you mean with _'bottom up'
coloration_ in HTML?

>>   Off topic question...why do you have the two points in the up direction
>> instead of going downwards?

>Actually, the Pentagram, by ceremonial definition alone, is technically
>'pointing down'. By popular western cultural definition, this means an
>inclination towards evil, or the intention of using said power for such.
>The Pentacle, which as it was pointed out these are not, is 'pointing up'
>to signify an inclination towards good, or more helpful use of power
>gained from the said ceremony that the pentacle is used for.

Thanks for explaining. A few weeks back someone else made the same
request and was flooded with all kinds of religious symbols. I
wondered what was going on then...

%^) Greetz,
mic

-- used to consider a pentagram an elegant way to draw 6 lines

Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> ASCII art 21 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
miK wrote:
> 
> Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> : 'course, if you want one that looks good, do it in ansi, instead!
> 
> >Well, I have enjoyed making most of my artwork (the little I have as of
> >yet) color by putting it in html and into my web-page scrapbook. HTML is
> >fairly easy to master, and as long as you do 'bottom up' coloration, it
> >is easy to colorize pictures, as well.
> 
> Just a little technical question...
> 
> I too have miraculously multiplied my own - wild guess - 394 bytes of
> Ascii-art lately by adding color with html. :)
> I assume you color the background with <BGCOLOR>, and the characters
> by the use of <FONT COLOR>. What do you mean with _'bottom up'
> coloration_ in HTML?

Well, to field the first question, yes, I set the <BODY BGCOLOR="#000000>
On mine, anyway, as I personally find that black seems to make all the
other colors come alive in contrast. and the use of <font color> is why I
decided to use bottom up coloration. let me explain. (to all those of you
who are not familar with html and have no intention of being, be prepared
to ignore or be bored this will be a lenthy explanation so I can be clear)
Well, the use of <font color> is a spammy use. everytime you want to use
it, you need to use up alot of space on your screen. This makes it tough
to simply colorize a picture, because you loose your picture in the spam.
  Take a small sword (forgive the crudeness, I'm making this one up now)
  o
  I      Now, you want to make the thing colorized. but adding the
/===\    colors looses the image. If you colorize from the top down, like
 |||     most have the tendancy to do, it starts to look like this:
 |||
 |||
 \ /
  `

  <font color="#ffff00">o
  </font><font color="#c0c0c0">I      
</font><font color="#ffff00">/</font><font color="#d9d919">===
</font><font color="#ffff00">\</font>    
 |||     
 |||              Anyway, as you can tell, you kind of loose the image.
 |||              and what is shown here is mild compared to what actually
 \ /              Happens with a good sized picture. but even with the 3rd
  `               Line only being 5 characters, you linewrap in your picutre,
making it really tough to tell what the rest of the picutre is. The linewrap
distorts everything below it, making it tough to decipher what it is you are
dealing with on the line you are on right now, let alone later lines. This
is why I said I used the bottom up method. If you make the last color changes
first, instead of top down, you still distort everything below you due to
font color spam, and linewrap, but it does not matter, because everything
below you is alredy colorized.  So I guess what I meant by bottom up was just
to do the coloration backwards. From the last change to the first change.
Then all that annoying linewrap and such does not effect you. 
   For all I know, people always do it this way.  I have only colorized three
images on my page at http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/9573 and
just that pumpkin that I displayed on here a while ago and the fish were 
quite spamfull for coloring them. I can't imagine how much was involved to
colorize joan's cock-a-too. From the top down would have been next to
impossible. But in the long run it can make a picture look 100 times better.
Some pictures can be done with just colors. A box of 8's in black and white,
and a nice picture in full color. And even without ansi, we can all do it
with simple html in a homepage. :)

  
 ______  ____   _   _   ____    /```````/_____      _________ 
(__   / |  __| | | | | / ___\  /______       /______\ __,--^`
  / /_  |  _|  | |_| | |___ \  `     /____         ___\
/_____) |____| \_____/ \____/            /_..-----`

> 
> : 'course, if you want one that looks good, do it in ansi, instead!

Well, I have enjoyed making most of my artwork (the little I have as of
yet) color by putting it in html and into my web-page scrapbook. HTML is
fairly easy to master, and as long as you do 'bottom up' coloration, it
is easy to colorize pictures, as well.

> 
> --
> 
>   Off topic question...why do you have the two points in the up direction
> instead of going downwards?
> 

Actually, the Pentagram, by ceremonial definition alone, is technically
'pointing down'. By popular western cultural definition, this means an
inclination towards evil, or the intention of using said power for such.
The Pentacle, which as it was pointed out these are not, is 'pointing up'
to signify an inclination towards good, or more helpful use of power
gained from the said ceremony that the pentacle is used for.

   Oh, and in my rather vast knowledge of spritualistic matters, (I'm
interested enough to be a parapsychology major) NIETHER of these actually
have any use. The only real power I have ever seen from any symbol such
as these, (and as all of these, the power comes from the symbolism, not
the shape itself) comes from what has been known for centuries as the
'witches star'.  The witches star is a six sided star with a circle 
around it, and then thirteen little stars on the outside, and then
another circle, the little stars and double circles basically making up
a detailed border. But more popularly used as just a six-sided star with
a circle around it.  And this star was used in magical ceremonies for 
centuries before the Jewish religion ever removed the circle and took it
for it's own symbol.  Anyway, the point is, since true magic is done not
with evil or good intent, but with only the end as it's goal, the symbol
is not up or down either, and pointing both ways with the witches star,
signifing submission to the fact of nature that no matter what our intent
may be, the way of both the world and of the magics created in it are not
good or evil, but an accumulation of everything.

(sorry about the length, I just realized this looks more like a report
on ceremonial symbolism in the western tradition than a quick answer to
a simple question. :P  )

Zeus

Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> ASCII art 22 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, miK wrote:
> Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> : 'course, if you want one that looks good, do it in ansi, instead!
> 
> >Well, I have enjoyed making most of my artwork (the little I have as of
> >yet) color by putting it in html and into my web-page scrapbook. HTML is
> >fairly easy to master, and as long as you do 'bottom up' coloration, it
> >is easy to colorize pictures, as well.
> 
> Just a little technical question...
> 
> I too have miraculously multiplied my own - wild guess - 394 bytes of
> Ascii-art lately by adding color with html. :)
> I assume you color the background with <BGCOLOR>, and the characters
> by the use of <FONT COLOR>. What do you mean with _'bottom up'
> coloration_ in HTML?

HTML? yuch...  ansi looks much more beautiful... only, i dont think it
works in some windows terminals... Nevertheless, if you want art
(especially in dos), ansi is the way to go.

If you cant get ansi in windows, i suppose html is decent...

And I'd like to know what is meant by "bottoom-up" as well!
 
> >>   Off topic question...why do you have the two points in the up direction
> >> instead of going downwards?
> 
> >Actually, the Pentagram, by ceremonial definition alone, is technically
> >'pointing down'. By popular western cultural definition, this means an
> >inclination towards evil, or the intention of using said power for such.
> >The Pentacle, which as it was pointed out these are not, is 'pointing up'
> >to signify an inclination towards good, or more helpful use of power
> >gained from the said ceremony that the pentacle is used for.
> 
> Thanks for explaining. A few weeks back someone else made the same
> request and was flooded with all kinds of religious symbols. I
> wondered what was going on then...

Ah... i would have told you this. But I thought it was common knowledge...
when "Pentagram" was asked for, I drew what i identify as a pentagram... i
thought i mentioned that there was a distinction froom a pentacle... oh,
well.

A pentacle represents humanity, etc. and is generally accepted to be a
"good" symbol. Looks a litte like a person w/ head at top, arms, and legs.

A pentagram represents the inverse/opposite of humanity, satan, and is
generally accepted to be a "bad" symbol. Looks a bit like a sheep's skull,
which sometimes represents satan. Hey, you asked for it.

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Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> ASCII art 22 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
miK wrote:
> 
> Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> wrote:
> >
> >Actually, the Pentagram, by ceremonial definition alone, is technically
> >'pointing down'. By popular western cultural definition, this means an
> >inclination towards evil, or the intention of using said power for such.
> >The Pentacle, which as it was pointed out these are not, is 'pointing up'
> >to signify an inclination towards good, or more helpful use of power
> >gained from the said ceremony that the pentacle is used for.
> 
> Thanks for explaining. A few weeks back someone else made the same
> request and was flooded with all kinds of religious symbols. I
> wondered what was going on then...
> 

Don't worry, you'll see it again... it's one of those discussions that
pop up here again and again, completely off-topic and extremely
tedious...

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miK <ffw...@dataweb.nl> 22 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> wrote:

-----8< poffow nb >8-----

>   For all I know, people always do it this way.

Not me...
But I will from now on. :)

Thanks, mic

Zeus Simeoni wrote:
[8<]

Or just use a WYSIWYG editor. :-)



A long time ago (years), I had been working on an editor *JUST* for
coloring ANSI/HTML pictures, as well as bidir converting.  It had
many features not found in other programs, but it only did colors.

The program is now defunct, due to it haveing too many bugs to get
past pre-alpha testing.  A newer version was started, but work
was stoped and moved to my "Sometime" programs dir.

If I get enough requests, I will pull it out of mothballs and
continue work.

Since it's *only* function was coloring ANSI/HTML pictures, all
the features were designed just for that purpose. There are
plenty of drawing programs out there, but compered to mine, they
were a huge amount of extra work to get the same coloring.



Also along the same lines, I was working on a completeley plug-in
based GIF/ASC/ANS/HTM converter, which would convert between all of 
them.  It was *not* a grayscale converter, but it would rather
do an edge detect, and then use a brute-force method of picking
the best characters/colors to use.  It was also discontinued,
not to be restarted, but if anybody else wants the job, ask. :-)


Sorry to ramble, just rambleing.  :-)
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--Randy Gardner

Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> ASCII art 23 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
Phosphor wrote:
> >
> > Nope.
> 
> When you say nope, it sounds like you are implying that someone else is
> wrong... in which case, you would be mistaken. You are no infinate
> athority, so try not to stick your nose out like this.

Got to agree with you on this one.  Nope is an awfully blunt and a bit
neive to talk about symbolizm that genrally everyone takes differntly.

> 
> > As a long time practicing witch, I say a "pentacle" is a five pointed star

Well, I'm glad you said it. Because I would have felt like a moron if I had
said that.  You see, I was a practicing witch for a while, too, (then I 
stopped practicing)  Until I basically just changed termenology. Now, I 
refer to myself as a number of things, since witch has alot of preconcieved
notions behind it.  Since I was born with most of my alibities, and I don't
require symbolizm to do it, I usually just refer to myself as a psychic.
Not that that gives me any more insight into the history and folklore of
spiritualism than does your current religion, witch is why I wonder why you
mentioned it.  (hoping someone got the play on /\ words)
                                               ][

> 
> According to some. There are other meanings as well. Star of Sulieman, et
> cetera, et cetera... Just so you don't think your interpretaions are
> absolutley true. (For instance, the simple symbol "+" will have different
> meanings for different people at different times.
> 
> And for your information, Gaia is a greek goddess.

Actualy, Gaiya has been adopted by alot of various religions now.  Most often
it is refering to the Gaiya hypothesis, which is basically a metaphysical
worldveiw that we are all of one consiousness. (I could get more detailed
in the view, but I don't buy into it myself, and I would lose my own
interest long before I lost yours)  Basically, I think the name Giaya (I
think we are all misspelling it, since we don't speak greek, and they used
a different alphabet anyway) just sounds pretty, and kind of like a green
earth kind of thing, so people just took the name. Too bad. Alot of people
took my name because it's cool, too, and it just wastes it.

   And for the record.... As a practicing psychic :P and more importantly
a student of the scientific dicipline of parapsychology, dealing with
the experiential aspects of PSI, (meaning I do research on this stuff as a 
hobby)  I can say that the general view is what I have mentioned in my
privious post.  Once you get into saying the the pentacle looks like a person
and the other one looks like a skull (?) is usually just christian theory.
As far as the actual practice of the MAJORITY of people who actually use
these symbols, (not including everyone, of course) what I said was true. (at
least in the western cultural tradition, witch is what we were refering to)


And most importantly... All who oppose me.......

                                              ,--,  ,.-.
                ,                   \,       '-,-`,'-.' | ._
               /|           \    ,   |\         }  )/  / `-,',
               [ ,          |\  /|   | |        /  \|  |/`  ,`
               | |       ,.`  `,` `, | |  _,...(   (      .',
               \  \  __ ,-` `  ,  , `/ |,'      Y     (   /_L\
                \  \_\,``,   ` , ,  /  |         )         _,/
                 \  '  `  ,_ _`_,-,<._.<        /         /
                  ', `>.,`  `  `   ,., |_      |         /
                    \/`  `,   `   ,`  | /__,.-`    _,   `\
                -,-..\  _  \  `  /  ,  / `._) _,-\`       \
                 \_,,.) /\    ` /  / ) (-,, ``    ,        |
                ,` )  | \_\       '-`  |  `(               \
               /  /```(   , --, ,' \   |`<`    ,            |
              /  /_,--`\   <\  V /> ,` )<_/)  | \      _____)
        ,-, ,`   `   (_,\ \    |   /) / __/  /   `----`
       (-, \           ) \ ('_.-._)/ /,`    /
       | /  `          `/ \\ V   V, /`     /
    ,--\(        ,     <_/`\\     ||      /
   (   ,``-     \/|         \-A.A-`|     /
  ,>,_ )_,..(    )\          -,,_-`  _--`
 (_ \|`   _,/_  /  \_            ,--`
  \( `   <.,../`     `-.._   _,-`
   `                      ```

(ok, so it has nothing to do with my post, but I was just awfully DAMN
proud of this picture, and wanted to show it off :P )
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  / /_  |  _|  | |_| | |___ \  `     /____         ___\
/_____) |____| \_____/ \____/            /_..-----`

Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> ASCII art 23 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
On 23 Oct 1997, Steven Robert Morrison wrote:
 
> Veronica Karlsson (dre...@on.spammer) writes:
> > miK wrote:
> >> 
> >> Zeus Simeoni <zeu...@umit.maine.edu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Actually, the Pentagram, by ceremonial definition alone, is technically
> >> >'pointing down'. By popular western cultural definition, this means an
> >> >inclination towards evil, or the intention of using said power for such.
> >> >The Pentacle, which as it was pointed out these are not, is 'pointing up'
> >> >to signify an inclination towards good, or more helpful use of power
> >> >gained from the said ceremony that the pentacle is used for.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for explaining. A few weeks back someone else made the same
> >> request and was flooded with all kinds of religious symbols. I
> >> wondered what was going on then...
> 
> 
> Nope.

When you say nope, it sounds like you are implying that someone else is
wrong... in which case, you would be mistaken. You are no infinate
athority, so try not to stick your nose out like this.
 
> As a long time practicing witch, I say a "pentacle" is a five pointed star
> circumscribed by a circle.
> A pentagram is a star without a circle around it.
> This holds true regardless of direction

Your beliefs may hold true. However, some people believe there is a
distinction between pentagram and pentacle, and "this" no longer holds
true. 

> If the star is pointed up, the invocation is for Earth/Gaia based powers,
> and if pointed downwards it is used to draw power from
> god/goddess/non-earth sources (spiritual)

According to some. There are other meanings as well. Star of Sulieman, et
cetera, et cetera... Just so you don't think your interpretaions are
absolutley true. (For instance, the simple symbol "+" will have different
meanings for different people at different times.

And for your information, Gaia is a greek goddess.

> srm
> 
> 
> 
> *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.
>    "When folks start quoting the Bible I listen carefully until I am
> certain that they are combining verses or quoting out of context.  I can't
> cite the sources exactly but can usually cause the quoter to leave in a
> huff by combining the following two:
> 
>    'And Judas went out and hanged himself.' , 'Go thou and do likewise.'"
>                                            ---by one "Tir...@aol.com"

I like that...
 
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Phosphor <jus...@csd.uwm.edu> ASCII art 24 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Zeus Simeoni, who sure as hell likes to write, wrote:
> Phosphor wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope.
> > 
> > When you say nope, it sounds like you are implying that someone else is
> > wrong... in which case, you would be mistaken. You are no infinate
> > athority, so try not to stick your nose out like this.
> 
> Got to agree with you on this one.  Nope is an awfully blunt and a bit
> neive to talk about symbolizm that genrally everyone takes differntly.
> 
> > 
> > > As a long time practicing witch, I say a "pentacle" is a five pointed star
 
[8<] 

> > According to some. There are other meanings as well. Star of Sulieman, et
> > cetera, et cetera... Just so you don't think your interpretaions are
> > absolutley true. (For instance, the simple symbol "+" will have different
> > meanings for different people at different times.
> > 
> > And for your information, Gaia is a greek goddess.
> 
> Actualy, Gaiya has been adopted by alot of various religions now.  Most often
> it is refering to the Gaiya hypothesis, which is basically a metaphysical
> worldveiw that we are all of one consiousness. (I could get more detailed
> in the view, but I don't buy into it myself, and I would lose my own
> interest long before I lost yours)  Basically, I think the name Giaya (I
> think we are all misspelling it, since we don't speak greek, and they used
> a different alphabet anyway) just sounds pretty, and kind of like a green
> earth kind of thing, so people just took the name. Too bad. Alot of people
> took my name because it's cool, too, and it just wastes it.

You dont know who does or doesnt speek Greek, Zeus. Look at my sig. That's
greek, in case you didn't know. I think Gaia is spelled either
 ___ 
|     /\    |    /\
|    /  \   |   /  \
|   /----\  |  /----\
|  /      \ | /      \

or
 ___         ___ 
|     /\    |       /\
|    /  \   |___   /  \
|   /----\  |     /----\
|  /      \ |___ /      \

The greek alphabet is very similar to ours, so dont try to confuse
yourself. the letter gamma ("hangman" symbol) is supposed to ge
preonounced like a rough "y" not like a g or j like stupid people use when
they say "jyro sandwitch".
                 _                 _
psi is really "pse" instead of "psi" and is the letter

 \  |  /
  | | |
 /  |  \ 
|   |   |
 \__|__/
    |
    |
    |
                     
which may stand for psyche which means spirit

 \  |  /  |     | \      / |     |
  | | |   |     |  \    /  |     |
 /  |  \  |     |   \  /   |     |
|   |   | |_____|    \/    |_____|
 \__|__/  |     |    /\    |     | 
    |     |     |   /  \   |     | 
    |     |     |  /    \  |     | 
    |     |     | /      \ |     |

And I think Zeus is spelled

 ______   _______     _______
|     /  /       \    \      |
     /  |         |    \
    /   |         |     \ 
   /    |         |     / 
  /      \_     _/     /
 /         \   /      /
/_____| |___| |___|  /_______|


>    And for the record.... As a practicing psychic :P and more importantly
> a student of the scientific dicipline of parapsychology, dealing with
> the experiential aspects of PSI, (meaning I do research on this stuff as a 
> hobby)  I can say that the general view is what I have mentioned in my
> privious post.  Once you get into saying the the pentacle looks like a person
> and the other one looks like a skull (?) is usually just christian theory.

No. actually this goes back to HEBREW and arabic beliefs.... star of
suleiman... etc...

> As far as the actual practice of the MAJORITY of people who actually use
> these symbols, (not including everyone, of course) what I said was true. (at
> least in the western cultural tradition, witch is what we were refering to)

Ah. ok.

> 
> And most importantly... All who oppose me.......
> 
>                                               ,--,  ,.-.
>                 ,                   \,       '-,-`,'-.' | ._
>                /|           \    ,   |\         }  )/  / `-,',
>                [ ,          |\  /|   | |        /  \|  |/`  ,`
>                | |       ,.`  `,` `, | |  _,...(   (      .',
>                \  \  __ ,-` `  ,  , `/ |,'      Y     (   /_L\
>                 \  \_\,``,   ` , ,  /  |         )         _,/
>                  \  '  `  ,_ _`_,-,<._.<        /         /
>                   ', `>.,`  `  `   ,., |_      |         /
>                     \/`  `,   `   ,`  | /__,.-`    _,   `\
>                 -,-..\  _  \  `  /  ,  / `._) _,-\`       \
>                  \_,,.) /\    ` /  / ) (-,, ``    ,        |
>                 ,` )  | \_\       '-`  |  `(               \
>                /  /```(   , --, ,' \   |`<`    ,            |
>               /  /_,--`\   <\  V /> ,` )<_/)  | \      _____)
>         ,-, ,`   `   (_,\ \    |   /) / __/  /   `----`
>        (-, \           ) \ ('_.-._)/ /,`    /
>        | /  `          `/ \\ V   V, /`     /
>     ,--\(        ,     <_/`\\     ||      /
>    (   ,``-     \/|         \-A.A-`|     /
>   ,>,_ )_,..(    )\          -,,_-`  _--`
>  (_ \|`   _,/_  /  \_            ,--`
>   \( `   <.,../`     `-.._   _,-`
>    `                      ```
> 
> (ok, so it has nothing to do with my post, but I was just awfully DAMN
> proud of this picture, and wanted to show it off :P )

That is a nice picture. Did you get this from Jeff Easley's painting of a
red dragon? (it really looks like you tried to copy Jeff's work) I think
Jeff is probably the best artist TSR ever had...

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>  ______  ____   _   _   ____    /```````/_____      _________ 
> (__   / |  __| | | | | / ___\  /______       /______\ __,--^`
>   / /_  |  _|  | |_| | |___ \  `     /____         ___\
> /_____) |____| \_____/ \____/            /_..-----`
> 

\
 \\
  \ \         
   \  \       ________ ______     
    \   \           |      |
    /   /       ___ |   __ |
    \   \      /   \|  |_ \|
      \   \    \___/| \__| |
      /   /         |     /|
      \   \         |    / |
        \  \
          \ \
            \\
              \
that says vajra, which is sanskrit for thunderbolt

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Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> ASCII art 24 Oct 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
Zeus Simeoni wrote:
[ 8< ]

WHY does this particular subject always cause such long, off-topic and
completely uninteresting threads?

> And most importantly... All who oppose me.......
> 
>                                               ,--,  ,.-.
>                 ,                   \,       '-,-`,'-.' | ._
>                /|           \    ,   |\         }  )/  / `-,',
>                [ ,          |\  /|   | |        /  \|  |/`  ,`
>                | |       ,.`  `,` `, | |  _,...(   (      .',
>                \  \  __ ,-` `  ,  , `/ |,'      Y     (   /_L\
>                 \  \_\,``,   ` , ,  /  |         )         _,/
>                  \  '  `  ,_ _`_,-,<._.<        /         /
>                   ', `>.,`  `  `   ,., |_      |         /
>                     \/`  `,   `   ,`  | /__,.-`    _,   `\
>                 -,-..\  _  \  `  /  ,  / `._) _,-\`       \
>                  \_,,.) /\    ` /  / ) (-,, ``    ,        |
>                 ,` )  | \_\       '-`  |  `(               \
>                /  /```(   , --, ,' \   |`<`    ,            |
>               /  /_,--`\   <\  V /> ,` )<_/)  | \      _____)
>         ,-, ,`   `   (_,\ \    |   /) / __/  /   `----`
>        (-, \           ) \ ('_.-._)/ /,`    /
>        | /  `          `/ \\ V   V, /`     /
>     ,--\(        ,     <_/`\\     ||      /
>    (   ,``-     \/|         \-A.A-`|     /
>   ,>,_ )_,..(    )\          -,,_-`  _--`
>  (_ \|`   _,/_  /  \_            ,--`
>   \( `   <.,../`     `-.._   _,-`
>    `                      ```
> 

nice! :)

> (ok, so it has nothing to do with my post, but I was just awfully DAMN
> proud of this picture, and wanted to show it off :P )

It has more to do with this newsgroup than the rest of your post did...
:)

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Veronica Karlsson (dre...@on.spammer) writes:
> Zeus Simeoni wrote:
> [ 8< ]
> 
> WHY does this particular subject always cause such long, off-topic and
> completely uninteresting threads?
> 
>> And most importantly... All who oppose me.......


 Any articles of faith are like that.
 Everyone does have their own opinion and hence everyone seems to oppose
everyone else.

 srm (not always tactful, but always correct)   Hahahahahaha



...she uses sex, the way most people use breakfast.

S.R.Morrison:  Slaying dragons requires most of my time.

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