Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 9 Nov 1998.
Converting Ansi art to Html pages?
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· 50 messages · 9 Nov 1998 - 29 Nov 1998
>Subject: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >From: El It...@hip97.nl (El ito) >Date: Sun, Nov 8, 1998 22:14 EST >Message-id: <364...@news.a2000.nl> >Is there an easy way to do this? Do you mean color ANSI with all of the characters you can't use here and high ASCII (which is just black and white ANSI), or do you mean straight ASCII like you see in this newsgroup (below), they are two different things. .''. ; '.. ; '.. "Yo quero Taco Bell." ; ''. '. '. '. '. ..''''''''. '. ..'''''.. ..'' .' '. .'' '''.. ..'' .' '..' .' ;; '...' .' ;' ''. .' ; ; ''. ..' '. .''. ' ; ; '. ..' ';.oo.' ; ; .'''. ; .^' '.'' .' ; '.; (o).' '' ; '..v '.'''' .'; LES. T E. R A .M' `C. .Y' .' .' /'. .' ; D `D I NN. N K.K' `Y.Y' ; ; o( o ; .'' ; D D I N`N.N KK' `Y' .' '..'....' ...'' .' D .D I N `NN K`K. Y ; ;'.....;;'.' ..' DDD' I N `N K `K. Y '. '.. ...' ; '. '' '. .' .' ;'. ;. ..' .' .' '''' ; ;' '..' .' ; '' In WIN95, the way I do it (see my page, address below) is I view the ANSI with a ANSI viewer, but I make the viewer in a windowed state instead of full screen (so the viewer screen is font size 4x6). Then I press the PRINT SCREEN key and paste into a new picture in a paint program and save it as a GIF or JPG and put that on the page. That's the best way I've found for ANSI. If it is a long ANSI you'll have to do this with every section of the picture and then paste all of the parts together. That's the only way I know of to make an ANSI viewable on a web page, unless you just link to the ANS file and let people select VIEW from the IE download screen, but then they would have to have a viewer already set up to view registered ANSI file extensions. I don't know about Netscape. For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it preformatted text. I hope this helped. -- .-~~-. (_^..^_) Lester||||AMC *Mythos Online : Internet Magazine of Lovecraftian Horror - Dead Alice* http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/redlion/157/deadal.htm *Visit my new web page! ANSI/ASCII* http://members.aol.com/lester5374/
Lester5374 wrote: > El ito wrote: > >Is there an easy way to do this? > [ 8< snip of off-topic part 8< ] > For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it > preformatted text. > Not quite as simple as that, but almost. :) OK, here's a short description of how to do this so that it works in everything from Lynx to M$IE4. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you just want the pictures _available_on_the_web_ you can save them in a plain-text file (usually called "filename.txt" or "filename.asc") and link to it from your html document. No special codes needed. An example: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/webpage/simple.txt This is a very good way to present ascii art on the web. In a sense it is the only way to present ascii art on the web and still concider it "pure" ascii. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you want to put them in an html page you need to do the following: 1. Replace all & characters with & Replace all < characters with < (if you want to you can also replace all > characters with > ) 2. Put <PRE> at the beginning and </PRE> at the end. An example: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/webpage/plain.html This is also a very good way to present ascii art on the web. It may not be quite as "pure" as a raw text file, but it can easily be "converted back" to "pure" ascii with a simple copy-and-paste. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you want to move even further away from the "pure" format and add colour to the images (this is quite ok to do on the web) you want to add a stylesheet. The first example is very similar to the html page without stylesheet. It just adds colour to the text, background and links. I also chose to make the text bold with the stylesheet (note: this way you will get bold in CSS enabled browsers without causing lynx to show everything as underlined): http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/webpage/with_style1.html (This is the way I do it on my homepage.) --------- The second example shows the picture with a different background colour than the rest of the page (this method requires the picture to be "padded" with spaces to make a straight right edge. This can be a bit expensive as it adds a lot of bytes to the file size): http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/webpage/with_style2.html --------- The third example shows the picture with colours: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/webpage/with_style3.html (note: all three of these examples will look identical to to the first html example in non-CSS-enabled browsers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The old method of using <font color="#xxyyzz"> and <b> to get the effects described above is now considered to be outdated and stylesheets ("CSS") should be used instead. If you use a text editor with a "find and replace" function it shouldn't be too difficult to change your coloured html text art to use stylesheets. I have also put the example files in a zip file that you can download and study: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/webpage/webpage.zip [I'm no expert at CSS. There may be some errors in the CSS in the pages above. The html is correct though] -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
Is there an easy way to do this? thanks, El ito
I'm currently in the process of writing an ANSi to HTML convertor.... so email me if you want a copy when I get a working(ish) version written.. John (ax...@nettaxi.com)
Is there an easy way to do this? thanks, El ito
E...@INFINITY.OB.RHEIN-RUHR.DE wrote: > Is there an easy way to do this? > > thanks, > > El ito There will be when I've finished writin' me program :) Email me if u wanna be a beta tester fer it John (ax...@nettaxi.com) http://members.xoom.com/fullthrottle http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ppeiris/axe
In your html code, put in the <pre> tag. This will keep the spacing the same, which you'll need. For instance, <html> <pre> some kind of image here </pre> </html> E...@INFINITY.OB.RHEIN-RUHR.DE wrote: > Is there an easy way to do this? > > thanks, > > El ito
"Alexander, Sam (EXCHANGE:PERPK:3374)" wrote: > In your html code, put in the <pre> tag. This will keep the spacing the > same, which you'll need. That still doesn't display high ascii characters :((( I've found a found that does... which I'll be sticking in with my program... (ans2html convertor). If the ansi doesn't use high ascii then great... but umm... if it does yer'll have to install this .tff before u can see the .html properly John
Lester5374 wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >Lester5374 wrote: > >> For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it > >> preformatted text. > >> > > > >Not quite as simple as that, but almost. :) > > That's really all I did for my web pages. They seem to work just fine. > That's just *luck*. I suggest you try to put this little ascii picture in an html document with that method: <center><table cellpadding = "20" border = "20" width = "50%"> <tr><td bgcolor = "#FF00FF"><table cellpadding = "20"> <tr> <td bgcolor = "#000000"> <font color = "#FFFFFF"> <font size = "6"><font color = "#FFFF00" > WHAT? </font> </font> <p> Are <b>you</b><i> saying </i> that <b>you </b> have <i> something </i><font size = "+1" > <font color = "#ffff99"> <b> against </b> </font><font size "+1" > <font color = "#FF3333">H</font><font color = "#99FF99">T </font><font color = "#9999FF">M </font><font color = "#FFFF99">L </font><b> ??? </b> </font></font> <p><blink> <font aaa aaa color="#FF3333">Whatever for? </font > </blink> <p> It is<i> such</i>a <font color = "#FF00FF" > <blink aaa aaa aa> nice</b></blink> <i>language </i> and <aa aaa aa> gives you such <a> <font color =#00FFFF aaa aaa aa> fantastic</font aa> <font color =#FF00FF aaa aaa aa> creative <blink aa> freedom </blink> </font><b>! </b><p> <font aaa aaa color = #FF55FF> <font size ="6">So what <aa aa> </font > </font> If not <i><b><font aaa aaa color = #999999 aaa aa> everybody <aa aaa aa> </font > </b> </i> can <a> read it?<p> If <aa aa> those <b> <i>losers <a> </i> </b> are too <i> <a> <font color =CCCC00> <a> mean </font> <aa aa> </i>to<i> buy </i> some<blink a> <a><b> <font aaa aaa color = "00FFFF"> decent </font></b> </blink><i> equipment </i> then that is <b><font color = "#9999FF"> their </font> </b> <i> problem, </i>not <blink>mine! </blink><p> They can always <b> <font color = FF3333 >save</font> </b>the<font size= "+1"> <blink> <i> source code </i></blink> </font> to a <b>file</b> and <i>open</i> it in <i> <b> <font color = "00ff00"> Netscape!</font></b></i><b><font color = "#ffff99">That </font></b> isn't so<i> <font color = "#ff3333">difficult! </font></i></td></tr></table> </td> </tr></table> <!-- by VK --> > >2. Put at the beginning and at the end. > > Is there code missing there? > Yes, you snipped "<PRE>" and "</PRE>" from my message. :P > >The old method of using and <snipped html code for BOLD> to get the effects > > Okay, you really messed up the rest of your message and sig with that > little beauty. :) > If your news program "interpreted" those plain-text character sequences that just happened to look like html tags then I suggest you get a new news program, yours is broken. -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
>Subject: Re: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >From: Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> >Date: Tue, Nov 10, 1998 17:37 EST >Message-id: <364...@on.spammer> >Lester5374 wrote: >> Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >Lester5374 wrote: >> >> For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it >> >> preformatted text. >> >> >> > >> >Not quite as simple as that, but almost. :) >> >> That's really all I did for my web pages. They seem to work just fine. >> > >That's just *luck*. I suggest you try to put this little ascii picture >in an html document with that method: > > > <center><table > cellpadding = "20" > border = "20" width = "50%"> > <tr><td bgcolor = "#FF00FF"><table > cellpadding = "20"> <tr> <td bgcolor = > "#000000"> > WHAT? > Are > <B>you</B><I> saying </I> > that <B>you </B> have <I> > something </I> ><B> against </B> > HT M L <B> > ??? </B> ><blink> > <FONT COLOR="#ff3333" SIZE=3>Whatever for? > </blink> > It is<I> such</I>a </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3> ><blink aaa aaa aa> nice</blink> <I>language ></I> and <aa aaa aa> gives you such <a> fantastic >creative <blink aa> freedom ></blink> <B>! </B> > So what <aa aa> > If not <B><I> everybody <aa aaa aa> ></B> </I> can <a> read it? > If <aa aa> those <B> ><I>losers <a> </I> </B> are too <I> <a> <a> mean ><aa aa> </I>to<I> buy </I> > some<blink a> <a><B> > decent </B> </blink><I> > equipment </I> then that is > <B> > their </B> <I> problem, > </I>not <blink>mine! </blink> > > They can always <B> save > </B>the > <blink> <I> source code > </I></blink> to a > <B>file</B> and <I>open</I> it > in <I> <B> > Netscape!</I>That </B> isn't so<I> > difficult! > </I></td></tr></table> > </td> </tr></table> > <!-- by VK --> That isn't ASCII, that's a bunch of html . . . and it wrapped. So what you see on the page is what I saw in this message. Here's this "ascii" in preformatted text the same way I see it after copying and pasting it into Notepad. http://members.aol.com/Lester5374/vksphere.html -- .-~~-. (_^..^_) Lester||||AMC *Mythos Online : Internet Magazine of Lovecraftian Horror - Dead Alice* http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/redlion/157/deadal.htm *Visit my new web page! ANSI/ASCII* http://members.aol.com/lester5374/
>Subject: Re: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >From: Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> >Date: Tue, Nov 10, 1998 17:37 EST >Message-id: <364...@on.spammer> >> >2. Put at the beginning and at the end. >> >> Is there code missing there? >> > >Yes, you snipped "" and "" from my message. :P Nope, it was taken out by the newsreader. >> >The old method of using and <snipped html code for BOLD> to get the >effects >> >> Okay, you really messed up the rest of your message and sig with that >> little beauty. :) >> > >If your news program "interpreted" those plain-text character sequences >that just happened to look like html tags then I suggest you get a new >news program, yours is broken. No it isn't. -- .-~~-. (_^..^_) Lester||||AMC *Mythos Online : Internet Magazine of Lovecraftian Horror - Dead Alice* http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/redlion/157/deadal.htm *Visit my new web page! ANSI/ASCII* http://members.aol.com/lester5374/
>Subject: Re: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >From: les...@aol.commander (Lester5374) >Date: Tue, Nov 10, 1998 18:14 EST >Message-id: <199...@ng79.aol.com> > >>Subject: Re: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >>From: Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> >>Date: Tue, Nov 10, 1998 17:37 EST >>Message-id: <364...@on.spammer> > >>Lester5374 wrote: >>> Veronica Karlsson wrote: >>> >Lester5374 wrote: >>> >> For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it >>> >> preformatted text. >>> >> >>> > >>> >Not quite as simple as that, but almost. :) >>> >>> That's really all I did for my web pages. They seem to work just >fine. >>> >> >>That's just *luck*. I suggest you try to put this little ascii picture >>in an html document with that method: >> >> >> <center><table >> cellpadding = "20" >> border = "20" width = "50%"> >> <tr><td bgcolor = "#FF00FF"><table >> cellpadding = "20"> <tr> <td bgcolor = >> "#000000"> >> WHAT? >> Are >> <B>you</B><I> saying </I> >> that <B>you </B> have <I> >> something </I> >><B> against </B> >> HT M L <B> >> ??? </B> >><blink> >> <FONT COLOR="#ff3333" SIZE=3>Whatever for? >> </blink> >> It is<I> such</I>a </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3> >><blink aaa aaa aa> nice</blink> <I>language >></I> and <aa aaa aa> gives you such <a> fantastic >>creative <blink aa> freedom >></blink> <B>! </B> >> So what <aa aa> >> If not <B><I> everybody <aa aaa aa> >></B> </I> can <a> read it? >> If <aa aa> those <B> >><I>losers <a> </I> </B> are too <I> <a> <a> mean >><aa aa> </I>to<I> buy </I> >> some<blink a> <a><B> >> decent </B> </blink><I> >> equipment </I> then that is >> <B> >> their </B> <I> problem, >> </I>not <blink>mine! </blink> >> >> They can always <B> save >> </B>the >> <blink> <I> source code >> </I></blink> to a >> <B>file</B> and <I>open</I> it >> in <I> <B> >> Netscape!</I>That </B> isn't so<I> >> difficult! >> </I></td></tr></table> >> </td> </tr></table> >> <!-- by VK --> > > That isn't ASCII, that's a bunch of html . . . and it wrapped. So what >you >see on the page is what I saw in this message. Here's this "ascii" in >preformatted text the same way I see it after copying and pasting it into >Notepad. > >http://members.aol.com/Lester5374/vksphere.html Hmmm, I guess the program I use for preformatting text for a web page does it for me. I never realized that. I just looked at the source of the page at vksphere and it's cluttered with all of those little codes. -- .-~~-. (_^..^_) Lester||||AMC *Mythos Online : Internet Magazine of Lovecraftian Horror - Dead Alice* http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/redlion/157/deadal.htm *Visit my new web page! ANSI/ASCII* http://members.aol.com/lester5374/
>Subject: Re: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >From: Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> >Date: Mon, Nov 9, 1998 11:21 EST >Message-id: <364...@on.spammer> >> For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it >> preformatted text. >> > >Not quite as simple as that, but almost. :) That's really all I did for my web pages. They seem to work just fine. >2. Put at the beginning and at the end. Is there code missing there? >The old method of using and <snipped html code for BOLD> to get the effects Okay, you really messed up the rest of your message and sig with that little beauty. :) -- .-~~-. (_^..^_) Lester||||AMC *Mythos Online : Internet Magazine of Lovecraftian Horror - Dead Alice* http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/redlion/157/deadal.htm *Visit my new web page! ANSI/ASCII* http://members.aol.com/lester5374/
I don't know about doing ansi but with ascii make sure you have ' ' copied to the clipboard :P You could use a WYSIWYG but that wouldn't be macho would it? =P Use a frame or something if it's a wide ascii so it doesn't wrap :) eg - www.iinet.net.au/~vannevar/flower.htm (yeah it's my first so don't laugh) On 9 Nov 1998 13:34:22 GMT, les...@aol.commander (Lester5374) did inscribe: >>Subject: Converting Ansi art to Html pages? >>From: El It...@hip97.nl (El ito) >>Date: Sun, Nov 8, 1998 22:14 EST >>Message-id: <364...@news.a2000.nl> > >>Is there an easy way to do this? > <snipped!> > For ASCII, just paste the pictures onto your page and then make it >preformatted text. > > I hope this helped. >-- > .-~~-. > (_^..^_) >Lester||||AMC >*Mythos Online : Internet Magazine of Lovecraftian Horror - Dead Alice* >http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/redlion/157/deadal.htm >*Visit my new web page! ANSI/ASCII* >http://members.aol.com/lester5374/ __(\___ _____ ___ __ _/) _ |__)| o |_ _|/ -_)/ _` |~| | . |__)|_|_| |_| \___|\__,_|___|/ \ \ / /_ _\ \ \__/ | `-.____/
Veronica Karlsson wrote: > Axe wrote: > > "Alexander, Sam wrote: > > > > > > In your html code, put in the <pre> tag. This will keep the spacing the > > > same, which you'll need. > > > > That still doesn't display high ascii characters :((( > > > > Those "high ascii" characters are off-topic for this newsgroup. They > don't work very well on the web either. Maybe you should take your > question to an html newsgroup instead. What question??? I was just making a comment. And kiss my arse... I didn't post any high ascii characters IN my message, I merely started that they existed in some ANSi files. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (| What's the accepted sig ||_ length these days anywayz??? =///`\ (\ \\\) | __\\ `|~~| (((<_| ____ | | `-__/\ /~ ~\| | \ ~-_ |--| |___| `\ ~-_ |_/ /--__/ `\/ / ~-_\___--/ / John Aldred - ax...@nettaxi.com `-_ ~/ / / http://members.xoom.com/fullthrottle ~-_ / | _/ http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ppeiris/axe | | http://www.trailerpark.com/phase2/hackatak |~~~~~-----| |___----~~~/ _-~~\ \_ / /(_|_-~ | / / /~==[]\ ____-------_ |_____--| ______________ / (_ //(\0)~~~~ ~\ /_- \/' ___/ ~~~~/ (| ~~--__ H O N D A |/ )_____---~~~ NSR \ \. ___ ~~--__ ____ / _-/ __--~~' ~\ \\\\ ~~-_ ~-____ / _-~~ __--~~___ _ ----/ \ \\\\ ~-_ /---__-~ __--~~----~~_ ]= _-~ ___ / /__\ ~~~ ~-_ ( )-~ ~-_~~~/~~~ _-~ ~-_ /-~~~_-|/ / ~\ _) ~-_ \ /~~~~~---__-----_ \ ; / \/_//`\ \ __--~~/_ \~-_ _-\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~-/_/\ . | | \((*))/ | |\ __--~~ /o \ `\ ~- `\----_____( 0) ) | | | \ |~| / | )-~~ \ 0 ) |/' _-~/~--------| |~ / , \ ~-----~ / / ~~~~~~~~/_/O_/' \ ~-----~ / ~-_ _-~ `---------------------------' `-_ _-~ ~ ----- ~ ~ ----- ~
> I'm currently in the process of writing an ANSi to HTML convertor.... so > email me if you want a copy when I get a working(ish) version written.. ANSI straight to HTML won't work.. I tried it a while back. The problem is that no fonts are the same as the DOS charset, except for 'Terminal', which is windows specific - and even Terminal, when used on the web, does not match the DOS charset. The only way to do it would be to write it to an image. To create an exact duplicate of the DOS charset in the image, it would have to be 720 pixels wide (that is the pixel width of an 80 column screen). If you DO do this, I would suggest loading the 8x12 font from the BIOS (NOT the default 8x16 font of 25-line mode, or the 8x8 font of 43/50 mode) - it looks VERY nice compared to the others, and will make the image a little shorter. You will also have to take care to write it as a VGA moniter displays it: although the characters are only 8 pixels wide, VGA adapters display them with 9 pixels - allowing a nice blank space between characters. For characters #179 to #223, the 8th column is duplicated and written into the 9th. (these are the characters that make up all the various lines and blocks in the DOS charset) -- _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ ___ | | / o | |_| o ) | |_ -| v a l d u s @ ICQ: 7107014 \_/|_|_|___|__/|___|___| bcgroup . net Hilton Janfield High message: 9434567. Message last read: 9.
Axe wrote: > "Alexander, Sam wrote: > > > > In your html code, put in the <pre> tag. This will keep the spacing the > > same, which you'll need. > > That still doesn't display high ascii characters :((( > Those "high ascii" characters are off-topic for this newsgroup. They don't work very well on the web either. Maybe you should take your question to an html newsgroup instead. > I've found a found that does... which I'll be sticking in with my program... > (ans2html convertor). > > If the ansi doesn't use high ascii then great... but umm... if it does > yer'll have to install this .tff before u can see the .html properly > Still won't work on _my_ computer, or that of many of the people out there. The "pure" ascii art (using characters 32-126) will work just fine on the web, as well as in this newsgroup. -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
Lester5374 wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >Lester5374 wrote: > >> Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >> >2. Put at the beginning and at the end. > >> > >> Is there code missing there? > > > >Yes, you snipped "" and "" from my message. :P > > Nope, it was taken out by the newsreader. Then, as I said, it is broken. I suggest you get a new one (or figure out if there is a way to fix the one you already have). > >> >The old method of using and <snipped html code for BOLD> to get the effects > >> > >> Okay, you really messed up the rest of your message and sig with that > >> little beauty. :) > > > >If your news program "interpreted" those plain-text character sequences > >that just happened to look like html tags then I suggest you get a new > >news program, yours is broken. > > No it isn't. Well, you didn't get my "no html" joke... (and I _wonder_ what llizard's cartoon self portrait llooks llike to you...). Why not take a look at this thread in Dejanews and see if you get it... -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
Hilton Janfield wrote: > > I'm currently in the process of writing an ANSi to HTML convertor.... so > > email me if you want a copy when I get a working(ish) version written.. > > ANSI straight to HTML won't work.. > I tried it a while back. > The problem is that no fonts are the same as the DOS charset, except for > 'Terminal', which is windows specific - and even Terminal, when used on the > web, does not match the DOS charset. The only way to do it would be to write > it to an image. > To create an exact duplicate of the DOS charset in the image, it would have > to be 720 pixels wide (that is the pixel width of an 80 column screen). I already found one.. it's being released with my ANS2HTML convertor John
.----- On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:26:14 GMT, Bateau posted:
|I don't know about doing ansi but with ascii make sure you have
|' ' copied to the clipboard :P
|You could use a WYSIWYG but that wouldn't be macho would it? =P
|Use a frame or something if it's a wide ascii so it doesn't wrap :)
|eg - www.iinet.net.au/~vannevar/flower.htm (yeah it's my first so
|don't laugh)
|
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No offence but this is rubbish and is insane.
I haven`t looked at your page, but what you say about (non breaking
space for the uneducated ones among us) is rubbish. It is not needed if you
use preformatted text, using the <PRE>..</PRE> tags
eg...
<PRE>
|||||
| o o |
| > |
| \_/ |
\___/
</PRE>
It's also good HTML to take the > and encode it...
<PRE>
|||||
| o o |
| > |
| \_/ |
\___/
</PRE>
And here's an example of coloured HTMLascii... Llizard's portrait which also
contains a lot of <s and >s so it a good example.
<pre>
_<font color="#FF6633">_</font>_ <font color="#009900">/</font>
_/<font color="#FF6633">( )</font>| <font
color="#009900">\,^</font><font color="#0000FF">@@</font><font
color="#009900">--- </font>No matter how hard one tries...
|___<font color="#FF6633">X</font>_| <font color="#009900">__/>
\ </font>It <b>WON'T</b> go away!
-<font color="#FF6633">/</font>-<font color="#FF6633">\ </font>==
<font color="#009900">></font>
[_____] <font color="#009900">__>,^ </font>Join the orange
ribbon campaign.
ejm | | <font color="#009900">//</font>| | <b>S t a m p out</b>
the Geocities Watermark.
</pre>
It has wrapped, so probably won`t work properly if you copypaste it. Take a
look at llizard's website for the proper thing.
As for ANSI>HTML... I`d advise you to read the other followup to the message
I replied to.
I`ve started and then stopped work on a program to colour in ascii art and
produce HTML code, but school work has now filled my time so my programming
has gone on hold.
Adios,
-Martin
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In article <364...@nettaxi.com>, Axe <ax...@nettaxi.com> writes > >And I'll email you the *censored* ascii font too ;) > [][ hi ... do u have a URL for that ? ... i'd like a copy 2 plz ObAsc: .' '. .' '. .' '. ()=====================) | .__.__. | | (\/) | //==| (\/) | | /\ |// ::| /\ | | \___/ | | ^ | | By Order ... | | ... .. ... | | | | | | | | | | /\ /\ /\ /\ /\| |/ \/ \/ \/ \/ | | | ! ! 8nov98 [][ see yuz [][ colin -- ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk
Hilton Janfield (val...@bcgroup.net) wrote:
: > I'm currently in the process of writing an ANSi to HTML convertor.... so
: > email me if you want a copy when I get a working(ish) version written..
:
: ANSI straight to HTML won't work..
: I tried it a while back.
HTML is garbage, the best way to put either ANSI
or ASCII on the www is to capture the screen with
NEOGRAB which comes with Neopaint, and you can
download a trial copy from their website.
NEOGRAB captures any text 80 x 25 screen with
the same colors as a PCX file. This PCX can be
changed to GIF in Neopaint or other editor.
The GIF files are very small because without
the many small color changes, there are only a few,
relative to photographic images.
I am not doing any support for a few months,
but examples of the ANSI GIF images can be linked
from invisible-tech.com and I am sorry I don't
have any ASCII examples to offer.
Using bitmap with the various fonts for something
as simple and pure as ASCII or ANSI is not workable
with HTML, which restricts even the most basic ANSI.
Next year I want to work on screens larger than
25 lines converted to GIF. Neograb does change the
aspect ratio slightly because it converts to 640 x 350
when it makes the PCX file.
Regards,
Joe Fischer
> > > I'm currently in the process of writing an ANSi to HTML convertor.... so > > > email me if you want a copy when I get a working(ish) version written.. > > > > ANSI straight to HTML won't work.. > > I tried it a while back. > > The problem is that no fonts are the same as the DOS charset, except for > > 'Terminal', which is windows specific - and even Terminal, when used on the > > web, does not match the DOS charset. The only way to do it would be to write > > it to an image. > > To create an exact duplicate of the DOS charset in the image, it would have > > to be 720 pixels wide (that is the pixel width of an 80 column screen). > > I already found one.. it's being released with my ANS2HTML convertor Really? Cool. :) Send it my way - I need it... :) in an alternate, non-related in any way topic.. Does anyone know how to restore the actual DOS charset under Windows? (i.e. some of the characters which should be lines are Latin-1 characters (various 'A's, etc..), (r) marks, etc etc... -- _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ ___ | | / o | |_| o ) | |_ -| v a l d u s @ ICQ: 7107014 \_/|_|_|___|__/|___|___| bcgroup . net Hilton Janfield High message: 9434567. Message last read: 9.
Hilton Janfield wrote: > Really? Cool. :) Send it my way - I need it... :) > > in an alternate, non-related in any way topic.. > > Does anyone know how to restore the actual DOS charset under Windows? (i.e. > some of the characters which should be lines are Latin-1 characters (various > 'A's, etc..), (r) marks, etc etc... You mean for DOS shells running in windows? Yeah... it's all the way that '95/98 maps the characters... Stick these in yer config.sys... device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1) Country=044,437,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys And these in yer autoexec.bat mode con codepage prepare=((437) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi) mode con codepage select=437 Yer might have to change the "44" to your country code... but it's the 437 bit that's important... I think '95/98 put "850" as the default... and... well... most *censored* ascii characters don't like it :) Fixed it on mine anyhows :) And I'll email you the *censored* ascii font too ;) John
In article <364...@news.iglou.com>, Joe Fischer <joe...@iglou.com> writes >Hilton Janfield (val...@bcgroup.net) wrote: >: > I'm currently in the process of writing an ANSi to HTML convertor.... so >: > email me if you want a copy when I get a working(ish) version written.. >: >: ANSI straight to HTML won't work.. >: I tried it a while back. > > HTML is garbage, the best way to put either ANSI >or ASCII on the www is to capture the screen with [][ hi ... yep ... mostly garbage (and extremely heavily typed garbage too!) ... altho' ... i've dabbled with the idea of a 'programmable cell' or char ... i used the HTML <table> tag to 'id' it ... prob'ly a better way ... dunno try looking at http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/htmlx.htm and u'll see an approxmation of ... /\ ( ) || | | | | | | | | ____ | |/ / ) _|__|_/__/ (/cjr_\) title: candle ... in a mosaic form ... >>---> BUT!!!! <---<< ^^^ (\ /) )\_/( W A R N I N G : ( \^/ ) \ / T H I S . P A G E . K I L L S . N e t s c a p e V4 /|"|\ (/ " \) use Ns3, Ie2, Ie3, Ie4, Columbus2 [][ see yuz [][ colin -- ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk
CJRandall wrote: > >And I'll email you the *censored* ascii font too ;) > [][ hi ... do u have a URL for that ? ... i'd like a copy 2 plz Sorry I ain't... But I'll email it to you when I got some kind of public beta of my ans2html convertor written it'll be included in that John
CJRandall wrote: > try looking at http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/htmlx.htm and u'll see > an approxmation of ... Umm.... it don't only kill NS4.05 but it kills NS4.5PR2 as well.... why? John
In article <364...@nettaxi.com>, Axe <ax...@nettaxi.com> writes >CJRandall wrote: > >> try looking at http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/htmlx.htm and u'll see >> an approxmation of ... > >Umm.... it don't only kill NS4.05 but it kills NS4.5PR2 as well.... >why? > >John > [][ hi ... so far its kill'd evry Netscape version 4.0x i've tried ? that goes for Ns4.04, Ns4.05 and Ns4.06 ... on winNT i found that it pre-allocates memory blocks per <table> even if the 'table' is empty! ... go figure ? ... ... i found that it allocates approx 8Mb of ram for a 16 level nested empty table... and it then seems to freeze... like its saying to itself "dont be greedy... you can't have any more" ... i just tried it on Netscape v3 and that hangs too ... i think what i'll do is split the page into two with the mosaic on one and the pyramids on the other ... that way your respective browser can throw-up over whatever it (dis)likes :) the mosaic seems to be visible ... and thats what i wanted to point at ObAsc: .' '. .' '. .'_ _ _ _ _ _'. ()=| |=| |=| |=| |=| |=| |=) | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | | | | .`) | | ( ' | | `) | | (' | | `) | | (' | | _____ | | (\/) | //==| (\/) | | /\ |// ::| /\ | | \___/ | | | | | [another 1 of those ... [un-fini] [][ see yuz [][ colin -- ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:18:03 GMT, zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins) did inscribe: <blahblahfuckingblah> I think it's Poindexters like you that take stuff far too seriously that really fuck up the world
In article <YaG...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk>, CJRandall <col...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk> writes >> >>> try looking at http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/htmlx.htm >> >>Umm.... it don't only kill NS4.05 but it kills NS4.5PR2 as well.... >>why? >> >>John >> >[][ hi ... so far its kill'd evry Netscape version i've tried ? > >... on winNT i found that it pre-allocates memory blocks per <table> > even if the 'table' is empty! ... go figure ? ... > [][ hi.. i've split the page... crude dabbles of ansi->html :- http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/mosaic.htm /\ ( ) || | | | | | | | | ____ | |/ / ) _|__|_/__/ (/cjr_\) ...that was what i was trying to refer to i've noticed that Ns4/Ie4 don't follow the spec. for the html <pre> tag prop'ly... Note that the SGML standard requires that the parser remove a newline immediately following the start tag or immediately preceding the end tag. Ns4 and Ie4 do the opposite and add a newline at the </pre> tag :( ... it seems to look better using older table-compatible browsers like Ns2,Ie3,Columbus2 that interpret the <pre> tag correctly [][as an aside...] netscape killer :- <!-- this one has 16 nested levels of tables ----> http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/htmlx.htm <!-- Netscape is ok upto eight (8) levels of nested tables, -----> <!-- takes exponentially longer time for every extra level -----> <!-- and requires over 4Mb ram! (500Kb per level) -----> [][ see yuz [][ colin -- ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk
Isn't that when you try explorer? or a third party browser... ----From the world beyond netscape On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, CJRandall wrote: > In article <364...@nettaxi.com>, Axe <ax...@nettaxi.com> writes > >CJRandall wrote: > > > >> try looking at http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/ascii/htmlx.htm and u'll see > >> an approxmation of ... > > > >Umm.... it don't only kill NS4.05 but it kills NS4.5PR2 as well.... > >why? > > > >John > > > [][ hi ... so far its kill'd evry Netscape version 4.0x i've tried ? > > that goes for Ns4.04, Ns4.05 and Ns4.06 > > ... on winNT i found that it pre-allocates memory blocks per <table> > even if the 'table' is empty! ... go figure ? ... > > ... i found that it allocates approx 8Mb of ram for a 16 level nested > empty table... and it then seems to freeze... like its saying to itself > "dont be greedy... you can't have any more" > > ... i just tried it on Netscape v3 and that hangs too ... > > i think what i'll do is split the page into two with the mosaic on one > and the pyramids on the other ... that way your respective browser can > throw-up over whatever it (dis)likes :) > > the mosaic seems to be visible ... and thats what i wanted to point at > > ObAsc: > .' '. > .' '. > .'_ _ _ _ _ _'. > ()=| |=| |=| |=| |=| |=| |=) > | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | > | | > | .`) | > | ( ' | > | `) | > | (' | > | `) | > | (' | > | _____ | > | (\/) | //==| (\/) | > | /\ |// ::| /\ | > | \___/ | > | | > | | > > [another 1 of those ... [un-fini] > > [][ see yuz > [][ colin > -- > ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ > CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk > >
In article <Pine.OSF.4.05.9811171523490.3446-100000@grace>, Ben Stocum <brs...@osfmail.isc.rit.edu> writes > >Isn't that when you try explorer? or a third party browser... > >----From the world beyond netscape > > i hand-crank my web pages and try make 'em work on _all_ browsers ... funny thing is that i wrote that page on an early netscape ? obasc: .artUUUUUUUUUUUUba. .artUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUb. artUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUb. artUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUb. arP" "YUUUUUUUUUUUP" ""=UUUUUUUUUUb YP "YUUUUP" 'UUUUUUUU 'Y Y^P .UUUUUUUP 'v .aggdP Ybgga;.. .adUUUUUUUP dUUbeHaaYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP9YUP' e eeedUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCJRUUUUbe eeeeeeUUUUUb "9YUP" YUUUb e eeeeeeUUUP' from an ansi calld: f4cg.nfo by: Jeepee(Fire) 16nov98 [][ see yuz [][ colin . /\_/\ ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") <---<<lIFEiShARD--=oOo=--anDtHENyOUdIE>>--->
On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 E...@INFINITY.OB.RHEIN-RUHR.DE wrote: > Is there an easy way to do this? > > thanks, I think <tt> picture </tt> should do it, its been a while though.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy N. Riordan Electrical Engineering/Computer Engineering/Computer Science S.U.N.Y. @ Buffalo Homepage Under Construction @: http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~triordan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Join the Buffalo Bills mailing list (Flame Free) go to http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~triordan/sports.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.----- On 13 Nov 1998 19:59:23 -0500, Joe Fischer posted:
|
| HTML is garbage, the best way to put either ANSI
|or ASCII on the www is to capture the screen with
|NEOGRAB which comes with Neopaint, and you can
|download a trial copy from their website.
| NEOGRAB captures any text 80 x 25 screen with
|the same colors as a PCX file. This PCX can be
|changed to GIF in Neopaint or other editor.
| The GIF files are very small because without
|the many small color changes, there are only a few,
|relative to photographic images.
| I am not doing any support for a few months,
|but examples of the ANSI GIF images can be linked
|from invisible-tech.com and I am sorry I don't
|have any ASCII examples to offer.
|
| Using bitmap with the various fonts for something
|as simple and pure as ASCII or ANSI is not workable
|with HTML, which restricts even the most basic ANSI.
| Next year I want to work on screens larger than
|25 lines converted to GIF. Neograb does change the
|aspect ratio slightly because it converts to 640 x 350
|when it makes the PCX file.
|
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Hang on... are you the author or NeoPaint?
Martin, the ex-neopaint user. (I got Win95 and stopped using it :o/)
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>Message-id: <365...@news.vossnet.net> >| HTML is garbage, the best way to put either ANSI >|or ASCII on the www is to capture the screen with >|NEOGRAB which comes with Neopaint, I don't suppose that someone can then take the Neograb image and turn the picture back into ASCII without doing it by hand character- by-character. Most people have the ASCII art on the internet to share it with others.. and to allow them to use it for non-commercial purposes. If you put the ASCII art into GIF format, it may look like ASCII art but it is a GIF... you won't be able to put it into a text document. And that is the real beauty and simplicity of "ASCII" art. By using HTML, the ASCII image is still in text form, and can easily be recycled. In addition, they load faster and are smaller in size.. my opinion. -joan -- _.-;-._ (` \ | / `) ( '._\|/_.' ) joan stark ('-._/.-.\_.-') spu...@juno.com (._ |(o o)| _.) '._\-)V(-/_.' ASCII ART Gallery /_// 8 \\_\ http://www.ascii-art.com/ jgs \___/ W W
Martin Atkins wrote:
> Hang on... are you the author or NeoPaint?
Perhaps he is, moreover nowadays almost any web-aware application let
you save just about anything, ascii art included, as .gif or .jpeg or .pdf
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On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:43:29 -0500, Timothy N Riordan (tri...@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : I think : <tt> : picture : </tt> should do it, its been a while though.. That doesn't work. The right way is: <PRE> picture </PRE> Don't forget to replace all "&" -characters in the picture with "&" and all "<" -characters with "<". To change fonts and colors, please use CSS. The <FONT> tag works also, but is not recommended. See http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ Nonstandard characters can be used by either setting the appropriate character encoding for the document and including them as-is, or by using numeric character entities with the approprite Unicode values. Whether a particular browser can display them is another matter entirely. Did I miss anything? -- <-- Ilmari Karonen --><-- http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ --><-- ilt...@sci.fi --> "I am a student at UC Berkeley, and I am taking this class where we have to go to a news group and ask an "intelligent question"." -- a luser in a.a-a
Ilmari Karonen wrote: > To change fonts and colors, please use CSS. The <FONT> tag works also, > but is not recommended. See http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ Any feel for the % of web surfers who can see CSS correctly? ========================================================= [] .oo Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! [] [] ( -) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] " " Frogstein, who has a point behind his eyes [] =========================================================
> Ilmari Karonen wrote: > > To change fonts and colors, please use CSS. The <FONT> tag works also, > > but is not recommended. See http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ > > Any feel for the % of web surfers who can see CSS correctly? anyone using a 4.0 browser (a fair majority now), and IE 3.0 users can see some of the spec... Just don't try to specify a body: attribute in an external .CSS file! IE 4 won't interpret it... *sniff* -- _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ ___ | | / o | |_| o ) | |_ -| v a l d u s @ ICQ: 7107014 \_/|_|_|___|__/|___|___| bcgroup . net Hilton Janfield High message: 9434567. Message last read: 9.
In article <731glh$395$1...@tron.sci.fi>, ilt...@sci.fi says... > >On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:43:29 -0500, Timothy N Riordan (tri...@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: >: I think >: <tt> >: picture >: </tt> should do it, its been a while though.. > >That doesn't work. The right way is: > ><PRE> >picture ></PRE> > >Don't forget to replace all "&" -characters in the picture with "&" >and all "<" -characters with "<". why so complicated? instead of using the <pre>-tag use the <xmp>-tag, because than you do not have to replace any characters. have fun andreas
Hilton Janfield wrote: > ? wrote: > > Ilmari Karonen wrote: > > > To change fonts and colors, please use CSS. The <FONT> tag works also, > > > but is not recommended. See http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ > > > > Any feel for the % of web surfers who can see CSS correctly? > 100% (as they are _designed_ to be "ignorable", i.e. any page that uses CSS should be just as accessible without having CSS turned on... and I haven't heard of any browser where one can't turn it off...) > anyone using a 4.0 browser (a fair majority now), and IE 3.0 users can see > some of the spec... Yes, I have seen the effect of some CSS on IE3, and that really sucked. Fortunately the CSS can be turned off and then one will see a view similar to what Netscape 3 shows, so that isn't really a great disaster... :) > Just don't try to specify a body: attribute in an external .CSS file! IE 4 > won't interpret it... *sniff* > Really? I have used CSS colouring on "body" and they showed up just fine in the copy of IE4 I looked at the pages in at a placed where I worked during the summer... -- _ __ __ _ _ __ ___.--'_`. \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/~ix/ ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr /-' '/ ` ascii art chat: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ '
In article <733mne$hv...@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, Andreas Bohne <_NO...@dkfz-heidelberg.de> writes >In article <731glh$395$1...@tron.sci.fi>, ilt...@sci.fi says... >>On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:43:29 -0500, Timothy N Riordan >(tri...@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: >>: I think >>: <tt> >>: picture >>: </tt> should do it, its been a while though.. >> >>That doesn't work. The right way is: >> >><PRE> >>picture >></PRE> >> >>Don't forget to replace all "&" -characters in the picture with "&" >>and all "<" -characters with "<". > >why so complicated? instead of using the <pre>-tag use the <xmp>-tag, because >than you do not have to replace any characters. > [][ PRE -> GOOD; XMP -> BAD; from the HTML3.2 spec. ... + /^\ / \ / /^\ \ | |#| |__________+ | --- | \ | |___________\ | /^\ | # # # # # | __|_| |_|____________|cjr____ a kirk [][ tech. garbage follows ... <QUOTE - HTML3.3 SPEC>---------------------------- PRE preformatted text Requires start and end tags. These elements are rendered with a monospaced font and preserve layout defined by whitespace and line break characters. Preformatted Text <!ELEMENT PRE - - (%text)* -(%pre.exclusion)> <!ATTLIST PRE width NUMBER #implied > The PRE element can be used to include preformatted text. User agents render this in a fixed pitch font, preserving spacing associated with white space characters such as space and newline characters. Automatic word-wrap should be disabled within PRE elements. Note that the SGML standard requires that the parser remove a newline immediately following the start tag or immediately preceding the end tag. PRE has the same content model as paragraphs, excluding images and elements that produce changes in font size, e.g. IMG, BIG, SMALL, SUB, SUP and FONT. A few user agents support the WIDTH attribute. It provides a hint to the user agent of the required width in characters. The user agent can use this to select an appropriate font size or to indent the content appropriately. The horizontal tab character (encoded in Unicode, US ASCII and ISO 8859-1 as decimal 9) should be interpreted as the smallest non-zero number of spaces which will leave the number of characters so far on the line as a multiple of 8. Its use is strongly discouraged since it is common practice when editing to set the tab-spacing to other values, leading to misaligned documents. XMP, LISTING and PLAINTEXT <![ %HTML.Deprecated [ <!ENTITY % literal "CDATA" -- historical, non-conforming parsing mode where the only markup signal is the end tag in full --> <!ELEMENT (XMP|LISTING) - - %literal> <!ELEMENT PLAINTEXT - O %literal> ]]> These are obsolete tags for preformatted text that predate the introduction of PRE. User agents may support these for backwards compatibility. Authors should avoid using them in new documents! </QUOTE>----------------------------------- [][ see yuz [][ colin -- . /\_/\ ( () /_ / /\) _/ /? .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") >>---> --=oOo=-- <---<<
_NO...@dkfz-heidelberg.de (Andreas Bohne) writes:
> instead of using the <pre>-tag use the <xmp>-tag,
The XMP tag was deprecated way back in 1995 or '6; while some browsers
still support it in order to be nice, it's very strongly recommended
that XMP be used by nobody.
,,,
'. . ,This here's a deprecated tag.
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On 20 Nov 1998 12:18:54 GMT, Andreas Bohne (_NO...@dkfz-heidelberg.de) wrote: : In article <731glh$395$1...@tron.sci.fi>, ilt...@sci.fi says... : ><PRE> : >picture : ></PRE> : > : >Don't forget to replace all "&" -characters in the picture with "&" : >and all "<" -characters with "<". : why so complicated? instead of using the <pre>-tag use the <xmp>-tag, because : than you do not have to replace any characters. From the HTML 2.0 (yes, 2.0!) specification: Since CDATA declared content has a number of unfortunate interactions with processing techniques and tends to be used and implemented inconsistently, HTML documents should not contain XMP nor LISTING elements -- the PRE tag is more expressive and more consistently supported. Is this already in the FAQ? If not, a short remark like "<XMP>, <LISTING>, and <PLAINTEXT> tags have been deprecated since HTML 2.0, and should not be used. <TT>, <CODE>, and <KBD> tags cannot be used for ascii art. The only tag that works properly is <PRE>." should be in order, IMHO. -- Ilmari Karonen (ilt...@sci.fi) | Was at a bookstore today, [snip] and noticed http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ | "Microsoft Internet Explorer 4 for Dummies" Will fix broken HTML for food | . . . and thought "Yes". -- Jeff Vinocur
.----- On 18 Nov 1998 21:38:39 GMT, Spunk1111 posted:
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|I don't suppose that someone can then take
|the Neograb image and turn the picture back
|into ASCII without doing it by hand character-
|by-character.
|
|Most people have the ASCII art on the internet
|to share it with others.. and to allow them to
|use it for non-commercial purposes. If you put the
|ASCII art into GIF format, it may look like ASCII
|art but it is a GIF... you won't be able to put it into
|a text document. And that is the real beauty and
|simplicity of "ASCII" art.
|
|By using HTML, the ASCII image is still in text
|form, and can easily be recycled. In addition,
|they load faster and are smaller in size..
|
|my opinion.
|-joan
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He/She was talking about ANSI art, not ASCII art.
'nuff said...
-Martin.
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>Message-id: <365...@news.vossnet.net> >He/She was talking about ANSI art, not ASCII art. Actually, he/she was talking about both. -joan -- |_| _, _ _ ___ | |(_||_)|_)\_| .'=:-\ ___ | | ._| /.='( ` | |_ _ ,_ |/ , _ . .,_ _ /. ^=.'-._..---. | | |(_|| ||\/_)(_|||/|| |(_| | =^.'=.'^//"(_`\\)8, ._| ._| |^.'=' .=||/' `\||;8.-' \'.^,=^'.||; ; ||8/:_,_ give thanks... './-`\= \\\.-./;//,_/`- \ jgs \__/-/'-\888::((()),_ /:. spu...@juno.com .O__/ (_88:::(())):. http://www.ascii-art.com/ `8':. '
can anyone do the ascii for the logo of Dodge(vehicle) i.e the ram OZooHA
.----- On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:10:27 +0100, Veronica Karlsson posted:
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|> Just don't try to specify a body: attribute in an external .CSS file! IE 4
|> won't interpret it... *sniff*
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|Really? I have used CSS colouring on "body" and they showed up just fine
|in the copy of IE4 I looked at the pages in at a placed where I worked
|during the summer...
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The body thingy works for me too.... :o/
Adios,
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> |> Just don't try to specify a body: attribute in an external .CSS file! IE 4 > |> won't interpret it... *sniff* > |> > | > |Really? I have used CSS colouring on "body" and they showed up just fine > |in the copy of IE4 I looked at the pages in at a placed where I worked > |during the summer... > > The body thingy works for me too.... :o/ Really... cause when I was making my web page (now defunct), I had all pages referring to one .CSS file, which contained a BODY attribute to set default font, bg color, etc... Showed up in Netscape, but in IE4 I ended up having a white backround rather than the purple I had specified (don't ask - I'll just quote a friend... "Wow... that's... purple!"... "Nifty color scheme..."), and IE4's default fonts. NOTE: this is in a frame, but that shouldn't make a difference.. -- _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ ___ | | / o | |_| o ) | |_ -| v a l d u s @ ICQ: 7107014 \_/|_|_|___|__/|___|___| bcgroup . net Hilton Janfield A message in a Japanese hotel room: "You are invited to take advantage of the chambermaid"
.----- On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:16:50 -0800, Hilton Janfield posted:
|> |> Just don't try to specify a body: attribute in an external .CSS file! IE 4
|> |> won't interpret it... *sniff*
|> |>
|> |
|> |Really? I have used CSS colouring on "body" and they showed up just fine
|> |in the copy of IE4 I looked at the pages in at a placed where I worked
|> |during the summer...
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|> The body thingy works for me too.... :o/
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|Really... cause when I was making my web page (now defunct), I had all pages
|referring to one .CSS file, which contained a BODY attribute to set default
|font, bg color, etc...
|Showed up in Netscape, but in IE4 I ended up having a white backround rather
|than the purple I had specified (don't ask - I'll just quote a friend...
|"Wow... that's... purple!"... "Nifty color scheme..."), and IE4's default
|fonts. NOTE: this is in a frame, but that shouldn't make a difference..
|
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On my ISP's monthly online newsletter, (of which I am an editor) we use a
file called articles.css to set a default style for the articles. All of
them work properly. (The colour is sets to is white, but I changed my
default to black temporarily to check)
Ahh well, this is off topic so enough of it now.
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