Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 7 Oct 2001.
Text editor
alt.ascii-art
· 44 messages · 7 Oct 2001 - 1 Mar 2008
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:33:38 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've >tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor >that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. try either jave .. http://www.jave.de/ or use MS Word and press alt while selecting to select a block ;)
drsquare wrote: > > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. Emacs -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -
use ultra-edit or textpad for windows "drsquare" <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote in message news:3hr...@4ax.com... > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name.
On 2001-10-07 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block >copy/past? I've tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. >I'm sure there is an editor that does, as I've seen it before, but >I can't remember its name. Any version of PC-WRITE for DOS can do this.
> Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. Textpad DOES have this feature.
>>Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've >>tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor >>that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. Activate TextPad's block mode with Ctrl-Q, B (that's Control and Q pressed at the same time, followed by B by itself). It will not work if with line wrap turned on. Line-wrap is toggled with Ctrl-Q, W
codewright is probably a bit over the top but also supports this - hold down the right mouse button whilst selecting. "drsquare" <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote in message news:3hr...@4ax.com... > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name.
"lastfuture (Peter Marquardt)" <las...@lastfuture.de> wrote in message news:<yY3AOy0uOv7+cqe=92R...@4ax.com>... > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:33:38 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> > wrote: > > >Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > >tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > >that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. EditPad Lite and Pro support rectangular selections. EditPad Classic does not. In Lite and Pro, press Alt while making the selection. Only works with monospaced fonts like Courier New, and word wrapping must be off. Kind regards, Jan Goyvaerts -- http://www.editpadpro.com/ http://www.just-great-software.com/
> > >Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > > >tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > > >that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. > > EditPad Lite and Pro support rectangular selections. EditPad Classic > does not. > > In Lite and Pro, press Alt while making the selection. Only works > with monospaced fonts like Courier New, and word wrapping must be off. > > Kind regards, > Jan Goyvaerts > > -- > http://www.editpadpro.com/ > http://www.just-great-software.com/ Does anyone know where I can get the warez version ? *gg* Nahh just kidding - I knew you wrote the program Jan, besides .. the lite version is free for non-commercial work (and I doubt if I will ever sell my ascii-art) It's a fine program (I tested it today), but to be really useful for ascii-art it needs not only to be able to make rectangular selections but also to paste them anywhere in the document .. not just where characters alreay exist. Textpad does this, Editpad does not. While we're at it .. a preview could be nice so you could see the characters move as you dragged the selection with the mouse .. it makes it easier to align text. So for ascii-art work i'd say "Close .. but no cigar". I also took a look at your other programs .. While HelpScribble(tm) sounds like a useful program for thoose that have thoose needs I know there are free programs that does the very same thing. DeployMaster(tm) ... naahh .. I'd go with the Nullsoft installer anyday I hope I'm not being honest/mean here. Kind Regards CeeJay
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:33:38 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. In TextPad, hold down the ALT key as you drag the mouse to select a block. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <nos...@gmx.li> That really is my address; no need to remove anything to reply. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: d> Even if you did, what's to stop you using it and then saying "Oh, I did it d> in notepad"? Also, why would anyone actually pay for a text editor, when d> there are so many decent free ones? I have often wondered the same thing about operating systems. -- Brad Murray * Always carry a short length of fibre-optic cable. If Perl Geek * you get lost, then you can drop it on the ground, wait VSCA Founder * ten minutes, and ask the backhoe operator how to get Magnet Oper * back to civilization. (Alan Frame)
Veronica Karlsson <asc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3BC...@hotmail.com>... > drsquare wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've > > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor > > that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. > > Emacs Vim.
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:25:15 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>> EditPad Lite and Pro support rectangular selections. EditPad Classic >>> does not. >>> >>> In Lite and Pro, press Alt while making the selection. Only works >>> with monospaced fonts like Courier New, and word wrapping must be off. >> >>Does anyone know where I can get the warez version ? >> >>*gg* Nahh just kidding - I knew you wrote the program Jan, besides .. the >>lite version is free for non-commercial work (and I doubt if I will ever >>sell my ascii-art) > >Even if you did, what's to stop you using it and then saying "Oh, I did it >in notepad"? Also, why would anyone actually pay for a text editor, when >there are so many decent free ones? Hmmm... Well, maybe some people would say "i like the program so much, i am willing to pay for it". I have been close to that point several times myself, but along came something better :-) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1822wu/2.588yrs It is illegal to detonate any nuclear weapon. You can have them, but you just can't detonate them. (Utah state law)
On 18 Oct 2001 05:41:19 -0700, pyt...@hotmail.com (Peter Berry) provoked the following text: >> > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block copy/past? I've >> > tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. I'm sure there is an editor >> > that does, as I've seen it before, but I can't remember its name. >> >> Emacs > >Vim. Cif Or any other cleaning fluid :-)) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1822wu/2.588yrs I once bit a clown and told him he tasted funny. ("Bucket O'Nuts" in alt.silly.little.newsgroup)
Peter Punk wrote: > On 18 Oct 2001 05:41:19 -0700, pyt...@hotmail.com (Peter Berry) > provoked the following text: > > >> > Does anyone know the name of a text editor that supports block > >> > copy/past? I've tried editpad and textpad, but they don't have it. > >> > I'm sure there is an editor that does, as I've seen it before, but I > >> > can't remember its name. > >> > >> Emacs > > > >Vim. > > Cif > > Or any other cleaning fluid :-)) even kwrite (coming with kde) does... and I got the feeling its al little bit easier to use than vim or emacs. but xemacs should do it as well.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:06:29 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>>>> In Lite and Pro, press Alt while making the selection. Only works >>>>> with monospaced fonts like Courier New, and word wrapping must be off. >>>> >>>>Does anyone know where I can get the warez version ? >>>> >>>>*gg* Nahh just kidding - I knew you wrote the program Jan, besides .. the >>>>lite version is free for non-commercial work (and I doubt if I will ever >>>>sell my ascii-art) >>> >>>Even if you did, what's to stop you using it and then saying "Oh, I did it >>>in notepad"? Also, why would anyone actually pay for a text editor, when >>>there are so many decent free ones? >> >>Hmmm... Well, maybe some people would say "i like the program so much, i am >>willing to pay for it". >>I have been close to that point several times myself, but along came something >>better :-) > >It is pointless paying for things which free alternatives. Unless the alternatives are worse than the first program. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1828wu/2.595yrs All cars entering the city limits must first sound their horn to warn the horses of their arrival. (Lawrence, Kansas city law)
Hello all! I thought my question might partly fall under the Page Making branch of ASCII-art: Do you know of handy text editors that'd allow for formatting text using ascii-art methods. I mean paragraph alignment by spaces, columns, wrapping, tables, hanging idents and so on. Well, MS Wors 5.5 for MSDOS can do part of it, but it's not very powerful at this anyway... Thanks in advance, Anton
_.-In alt.ascii-art, Anton wrote the following -._ > Hello all! > > I thought my question might partly fall under the Page Making > branch of ASCII-art: > > Do you know of handy text editors that'd allow for formatting > text using ascii-art methods. I mean paragraph alignment by > spaces, columns, wrapping, tables, hanging idents and so on. Emacs can do anything you want it to do if you know/learn lisp. Emacs will run on whatever OS you are running but I don't recommend it on your toaster because it over complicates the gentle art burning of bread. -- =()==()==()==()==()- http://fauxascii.com \ \ \ \ \ \ ASCII artist :F_P:-O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- Get your ASCII Art T-Shirt: http://www.keystroketshirts.com/ascii/dream-in-ascii-fullView.php
Faux_Pseudo <Fau...@gmail.com> wrote in news:Qtfwj.1867$XO4.1186 @newsfe19.lga: > Emacs can do anything you want it to do if you know/learn lisp. Emacs > will run on whatever OS you are running but I don't recommend it on > your toaster because it over complicates the gentle art burning of > bread. > So I'll have to program it myself? Well, not very nice... Thanks anyway, I'll try it. But feel holy fear for emacs...
Anton wrote: > Faux_Pseudo <Fau...@gmail.com> wrote in news:Qtfwj.1867$XO4.1186 > @newsfe19.lga: > >> Emacs can do anything you want it to do if you know/learn lisp. Emacs >> will run on whatever OS you are running but I don't recommend it on >> your toaster because it over complicates the gentle art burning of >> bread. >> > > So I'll have to program it myself? Well, not very nice... > Thanks anyway, I'll try it. But feel holy fear for emacs... http://www.jave.de/ -- Best regards | Be nice to America or they'll bring democracy to Cyrus | your country.
_.-In alt.ascii-art, Anton wrote the following -._ > Faux_Pseudo <Fau...@gmail.com> wrote in news:Qtfwj.1867$XO4.1186 > @newsfe19.lga: > >> Emacs can do anything you want it to do if you know/learn lisp. Emacs >> will run on whatever OS you are running but I don't recommend it on >> your toaster because it over complicates the gentle art burning of >> bread. >> > > So I'll have to program it myself? It may do some of those things for you already. If it doesn't then it can be taught to. You may not even have to write any of the code. The emacs group is really good at writting functions if you can accuratly describe what you are looking for. -- =()==()==()==()==()- http://fauxascii.com \ \ \ \ \ \ ASCII artist :F_P:-O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- Get your ASCII Art T-Shirt: http://www.keystroketshirts.com/ascii/dream-in-ascii-fullView.php
Cyrus Kriticos:
> http://www.jave.de/
Well, looks nice, but its focus is shifted towards ACSII-art,
as against ASCII-craft (which is what I need...).
I'll try it anyway for it seems better than "e-mail
Effects"...
Faux_Pseudo: > It may do some of those things for you already. Sounds good. So fat I have found only the text justification fucntion in Emacs... > If it doesn't then it can be taught to. You may not even have > to write any of the code. The emacs group is really good at > writting functions if you can accuratly describe what you are > looking for. Sounds good. So far I have found only the text justification fucntion in Emacs though. But you have given me inspiration :) So, do you think Emacs potentially allow for such things as: 1. Automatical handling of numerated lists and cross-references (a-la MS Word)? 2. Paragraph styles. If so, I'll certainly give it a try! Anton
In <Xns9A4F1E031147Aantontxtgmailcom@85.214.90.236>, Anton <anton.txt@g[oogle}mail.com> mentions: >Faux_Pseudo: > >> It may do some of those things for you already. > > Sounds good. So fat I have found only the text justification > fucntion in Emacs... > >> If it doesn't then it can be taught to. You may not even have >> to write any of the code. The emacs group is really good at >> writting functions if you can accuratly describe what you are >> looking for. > > Sounds good. So far I have found only the text justification > fucntion in Emacs though. But you have given me inspiration :) > So, do you think Emacs potentially allow for such things as: > > 1. Automatical handling of numerated lists and cross-references > (a-la MS Word)? > 2. Paragraph styles. > > If so, I'll certainly give it a try! Could also try vim, it runs on windows as well as unix. It has a "virtual edit" kind of mode that lets you put characters anywhere on the screen. (a mode I never use) Here is how to do it: :set ve=all After that, you can move the cursor anywhere and insert characters. (tabs will probably goof you up if you're not careful though) vim is a "modal editor" which is extremely weird at first. It has a ton of features, it's well worth getting to know, but.. it has a steep learning curve. Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions
In article <Xns9A4F1B38C55C5antontxtgmailcom@85.214.90.236>, Anton wrote: > > http://www.jave.de/ > > Well, looks nice, but its focus is shifted towards ACSII-art, > as against ASCII-craft (which is what I need...). > Ah, I think I see where you're coming from. A while ago I was regularly having to do alignment of columns of numbers in ASCII (well, LAS - Log ASCII Standard) data files. Also inserting space for new columns of data, re-arranging columns of data, extracting some columns. Then our pet programmer put necessary code together for importing and exporting these files (instead of working directly with the LAS files, after indexing) and doing the necessary manipulations. At the time it was a toss-up for ease-of-use between using Excel (or 123, depending on what a machine had got on it) or using a ASCII editor called (IIRC) MegaEdit. Is it still available? Sorry, it's not coming up on Google - a PalmOS application seems to have hijacked the name. Someone else ( http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux- software-2/win-text-editor-that-saves-unix-format-273950/ ) remembers MegaEdit, and his timing (hasn't seen it since 2000~ ) chimes with my experience. That's about when we got our in-house solution to our needs and stopped paying for it. http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~gknapp/knapp19.html (CHEESY MUSIC WARNING! ) gives a couple of links to it ... which don't work. But it looks as if the files (without installer) are at http://files.chatnfiles.com/Microforum%20-%20Worlds%20Largest% 20Collection%20of%20Windows%20Software%20-%202/TEXTPROC/MEGAEDIT/ It looks to me as if it's "abandonware", but I wouldn't be sure about the legality of using it ; I know that we had to chase around to get licenses for the several copies we had on various machines - which was part of the reason that we ended up doing the job in-house. -- Aidan in Scotland Written at Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:05 GMT, but posted later.
Anton wrote: > Hello all! > > I thought my question might partly fall under the Page Making > branch of ASCII-art: > > Do you know of handy text editors that'd allow for formatting > text using ascii-art methods. I mean paragraph alignment by > spaces, columns, wrapping, tables, hanging idents and so on. > > Well, MS Wors 5.5 for MSDOS can do part of it, but it's not > very powerful at this anyway... IIRC, Wordperfect 5.1 was better than DOS MS Word. > > Thanks in advance, > Anton Another program worth trying is Thedraw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheDraw
Aidan Karley > http://files.chatnfiles.com/Microforum%20-%20Worlds%20Largest% > 20Collection%20of%20Windows%20Software%20-%202/TEXTPROC/MEGAEDIT/ Looks like a Windows 3.1 applicaton and has no formatting features at all (well, except wordwrap...) No idea what you could do in it. Maybe it's yet another MeagEdit...
Jamie: > Could also try vim, it runs on windows as well as unix. It has a > "virtual edit" kind of mode that lets you put characters anywhere > on the screen. (a mode I never use) Yep, I have seen vim. But it is a text editor with only few formatting features... It's really powerfull at working with the content, but not with the formating thereof... I can use that virtual mode to make some ASCII drawings, but how to apply it to text formatting I don't know... I'm not gonna format text manually, symbol by symbol. In fact, that's what I desire to avoid... Anton
Rusty: > IIRC, Wordperfect 5.1 was better than DOS MS Word. Hmmmm. I tried it a while ago and found it worse that Word. Maybe I should referesh my impression of it... BTW, what about WP 6.1 for DOS? > Another program worth trying is Thedraw > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheDraw No. An ASCII editor may be effetove on making a page or two of nicely (ARTistically) formated text, but a manual or a book, where I'll need some automatization like styles, lists, etc... Anton
Rusty:
> IIRC, Wordperfect 5.1 was better than DOS MS Word.
Just have had a look at it and couldn't find a way for saving
documants in the plain text format with all the formatting
maintained.
As Help says, the "Text out->Dos text" functon converts
indetns, tabs and centering marks into spaces, ignoring such
substructures as text boxes... Plus is doesn't export tables
correctly.
MS Word 5.5 does save part of the formatting correctly.
Anton
_.-In alt.ascii-art, Anton wrote the following -._ > Rusty: > >> IIRC, Wordperfect 5.1 was better than DOS MS Word. > > Hmmmm. I tried it a while ago and found it worse that Word. > Maybe I should referesh my impression of it... BTW, what about > WP 6.1 for DOS? > >> Another program worth trying is Thedraw >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheDraw > > No. An ASCII editor may be effetove on making a page or two of > nicely (ARTistically) formated text, but a manual or a book, > where I'll need some automatization like styles, lists, etc... It is begening to sound like what you need isn't an editor but a formating language. Have you looked at LaTex? Do you have a sample page we can see to get an idea of exactly what you are trying to do? -- =()==()==()==()==()- http://fauxascii.com \ \ \ \ \ \ ASCII artist :F_P:-O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- Get your ASCII Art T-Shirt: http://www.keystroketshirts.com/ascii/dream-in-ascii-fullView.php
In <Xns9A4FECE1D355Bantontxtgmailcom@85.214.90.236>, Anton <anton.txt@g[oogle}mail.com> mentions: >Jamie: > >> Could also try vim, it runs on windows as well as unix. It has a >> "virtual edit" kind of mode that lets you put characters anywhere >> on the screen. (a mode I never use) > > Yep, I have seen vim. But it is a text editor with only few > formatting features... It's really powerfull at working with > the content, but not with the formating thereof... > > I can use that virtual mode to make some ASCII drawings, but > how to apply it to text formatting I don't know... I'm not > gonna format text manually, symbol by symbol. In fact, that's > what I desire to avoid... I'm not really familiar with all of its formatting abilities, but it does have a "gqap" feature. Place the cursor over a paragraph and key in gqap it'll format the line into a paragraph. (I know there are more formatting capabilities, I've seen them. It's just that if you don't use em' you tend to forget) One thing I *do use* is its ability to work with other tools, you can highlight the text to process and hit !command and it'll process the selected text with whatever command you like. This works really well when editing HTML documents to get the <>'s back and forth: Here is some <html> text :.!recode ..html Here is some <html> text :.!recode html.. Here is some <html> text You can use it with indent, perl, fmt, etc.. so.. if you have a perfect tool for formatting text but not actually *edit* text, the two can be made to work together. 'course.. I don't know what is available for windows in this area, look into cygwin for stuff, they might have a "recode" and an "indent" tool. Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions
Faux_Pseudo: > It is begening to sound like what you need isn't an editor but a > formating language. Have you looked at LaTex? Do you have a sample > page we can see to get an idea of exactly what you are trying to do? No, LaTex doesn't produce ASCII-craft (preformartted text)... It's not so easy to post some examples... I have lost most of my archieves... Though I 'll try: Example of text wrapping: To allow for maintenance of long docments graphics should anchored to paragraphs or sections... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Will it change something? If a unit (F) sees two units, one (B) behind the other (A), it can't shoot at B unless it [F] is a missile launcher or a heavy infantrymen (at least, that is so in Dune-2) And what should F do if the player gives it the order to attack B (as you wrote, the player can see B)? I think, the player can see only such units which are seen by any of his units or radar stations. If the hidden unit B is not seen by any of the player's units the player shouldn't see B too. And if F can't see B, but say G has spotted B, then the player can see B. And if he orders F to attack B, F should approach the indicated location and find B and attack it. -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+---+ I wonder how do you plan to | | | ( | | | | ( check if B is really hidden -+---+---+---\ -+---+---+---+---\ behind A for the given unit F. | | B | ) | | B | | ) In the first picture all the -+---+---+---/ -+---+---+---+---/ three units are arranged along a | | A | ( | | A | | ( vertical line and B is certainly -+---+---+---\ -+---+---+---+---\ hidden. | | | ) | | | | ) -+---+---+---/ -+---+---+---+---/ But in the picture at right F | | | ( | | | | ( has moved one cell to the right. -+---+---+---\ -+---+---+---+---\ And what? Can it see B now? | | F | ) | | | F | ) -+---+---+---/ -+---+---+---+---/ And will you take into account | | | ( | | | | ( that a single light infatryman -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+---+ can't hide a siege tank? One of main distinctions of my visibility system from the classical one is the fact that in my system large non-camouflaged objects (a harvester) will be seen from higher ditances than small and well-camouflaged (lying light infantry) and another disticntion is that it will take more time to spot the latters than the formers, other conditions being equal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Example of a hierarchical numerated list: (Sorry for Russian text but I hope you get the idea) Such lists should be mainteined automatically (so that inserting new element didn't screw the hole list) MS Word for Windows is a good example of this... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. ???? ? ??? ?? ???????, ?? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? (????????) ??????? ????????? (????? ?? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????????????. 4. ? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?????????? ????????, ??: 4.1 ??????? ?????????? ? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ????, ??? 4.2 ???????? ?????? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ????? ??????. ?????? ????????, ??? ? 4.1. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------------------------+ ... Plus all the standart things like � � b[j] � - Paragraph styles, including �a[i] �-----------------------------� - Left and right margins � �1 �1 �1 �1 �1 � - Indenation by virtue of tabulation �-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� - Justification �1 �4 �3 �2 �1 �0 � ... +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� Text tables (see on the left), which �1 �0* �1 �2 �3 �4 � should be hanled automatically allowing +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� to edit them easily. �1 �1 �2 �0 �1 �3 � +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� Yeah it may seen that I need some analog of �1 �1 �4 �3 �0 �2 � a word processor for preformatted text... +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� �1 �1 �0 �4 �2 �3 � +-----------------------------------+
Jamie: > I'm not really familiar with all of its formatting abilities, but it > does have a "gqap" feature. Place the cursor over a paragraph and key > in gqap it'll format the line into a paragraph. (I know there are more > formatting capabilities, I've seen them. It's just that if you don't > use em' you tend to forget) Looks like I have a similar thing in FAR: it re-formats the selected paragraph(s) according to a pre-defined template. It is handy for e-mail and other light things, but not for large documents. > One thing I *do use* is its ability to work with other tools, you can > highlight the text to process and hit !command and it'll process the > selected text with whatever command you like. Hmmm, that should be useful! Though all these external utilities (formatters) are weakly coupled with the editor, getting to input plain text and returning plain text. But a real editor should store text as a set of paragraphs endowed with styles, plus various objects (ascii-drawings, tables...) to be wrapped according to the desired wrap options. MS Word 5.5 works this, but it's worse than modest a word processor anyway... And it doesn't export to preformatted text many of it's formatting features, though they're correctl displayed in text-mode inside Word... > 'course.. I don't know what is available for windows in this area, > look into cygwin for stuff, they might have a "recode" and an "indent" > tool. I'll install any of them on my MacBook if'll need to...
_.-In alt.ascii-art, Anton wrote the following -._ > -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+---+ I wonder how do you plan to > | | | ( | | | | ( check if B is really hidden > -+---+---+---\ -+---+---+---+---\ behind A for the given unit F. > | | B | ) | | B | | ) In the first picture all the > -+---+---+---/ -+---+---+---+---/ three units are arranged along a > | | A | ( | | A | | ( vertical line and B is certainly > -+---+---+---\ -+---+---+---+---\ hidden. > | | | ) | | | | ) > -+---+---+---/ -+---+---+---+---/ But in the picture at right F > | | | ( | | | | ( has moved one cell to the right. > -+---+---+---\ -+---+---+---+---\ And what? Can it see B now? > | | F | ) | | | F | ) > -+---+---+---/ -+---+---+---+---/ And will you take into account > | | | ( | | | | ( that a single light infatryman > -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+---+ can't hide a siege tank? -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | -+---+---+---+ -+---+---+---+ | | | | | | I created the above with emaces. You can hand edit the rest of it. I just drew the first two lines while recording in a macro and repeated it. Below is the recorded macro: -+ ;; self-insert-command * 2 3*---+ ;; self-insert-command * 4 NUL ;; set-mark-command C-a ;; beginning-of-line ESC w ;; kill-ring-save C-e ;; end-of-line 6*SPC ;; self-insert-command C-y ;; yank C-a ;; beginning-of-line C-n ;; next-line 2*SPC ;; self-insert-command C-b ;; backward-char | ;; self-insert-command 3*SPC ;; self-insert-command | ;; self-insert-command 3*SPC ;; self-insert-command | ;; self-insert-command 3*SPC ;; self-insert-command C-a ;; beginning-of-line C-k ;; kill-line C-y ;; yank 7*SPC ;; self-insert-command C-y ;; yank C-a ;; beginning-of-line 12*C-f ;; forward-char C-d ;; delete-char C-a ;; beginning-of-line C-n ;; next-line From there I just ran the macro a few times. You don't need to ever see the macro when doing this but you can and you can edit it manually if you want. But based the examples you have provided I would recomend a two prong attack. Create the root ascii in something like Jave (which someone posted a link to earlier) and then use an ascii friendly editor like emacs or (el)vi(m|s). > +-----------------------------------+ ... Plus all the standart things like > � � b[j] � - Paragraph styles, including > �a[i] �-----------------------------� - Left and right margins > � �1 �1 �1 �1 �1 � - Indenation by virtue of tabulation > �-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� - Justification > �1 �4 �3 �2 �1 �0 � ... > +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� Text tables (see on the left), which > �1 �0* �1 �2 �3 �4 � should be hanled automatically allowing > +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� to edit them easily. > �1 �1 �2 �0 �1 �3 � > +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� Yeah it may seen that I need some analog of > �1 �1 �4 �3 �0 �2 � a word processor for preformatted text... > +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----� > �1 �1 �0 �4 �2 �3 � > +-----------------------------------+ One of those isn't an ascii char just for the record. -- =()==()==()==()==()- http://fauxascii.com \ \ \ \ \ \ ASCII artist :F_P:-O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- Get your ASCII Art T-Shirt: http://www.keystroketshirts.com/ascii/dream-in-ascii-fullView.php
Faux_Pseudo: "From there I just ran the macro a few times. You don't need to ever see the macro when doing this but you can and you can edit it manually if you want. But based the examples you have provided I would recomend a two prong attack." Thanks for this macro exmaple, Well, that's how I actually did it, using Word for DOS and an ASCII editor... So, just as you, I had to create all the tables and formulas in a dedicatededitor and insert them into a text file made with Word. But the wrapping was a manual work, and the document produced wasn't "robust": a little change could require an unproportionally strenous effort to maintain the formatting (due to the lack of an inner format). An ideal editor would store the document in it's own format (where tables are tables, paragra[hs stored as such and have styles etc.) and .txt is produced by the export fucntion, just like making a PDF from a Pagemaker document *.pmd. Somehow that reminds me of the Enriched mode of emacs, but I am not suer emacs can produce a correcly formatted ascii based on the an enriched text document... And, don't you know whether it's possible to write extensions for emacs in a programming language other than lisp? Anton
_.-In alt.ascii-art, Anton wrote the following -._ > And, don't you know whether it's possible to write extensions for > emacs in a programming language other than lisp? I think people have created other ways like using python but since lisp is the one that is in the offical release that is the one that is always up to date and the most functional. Emacs is open source so in theory any language could be used if you tweek just a few things but then you have to rewrite all of the existing functions in that new language. Learning lisp is ((((relitivly)))) easier. -- =()==()==()==()==()- http://fauxascii.com \ \ \ \ \ \ ASCII artist :F_P:-O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- Get your ASCII Art T-Shirt: http://www.keystroketshirts.com/ascii/dream-in-ascii-fullView.php
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Anton wrote: > > > Faux_Pseudo: > >> It is begening to sound like what you need isn't an editor but a >> formating language. Have you looked at LaTex? Do you have a sample >> page we can see to get an idea of exactly what you are trying to do? > > No, LaTex doesn't produce ASCII-craft (preformartted text)... troff/groff/nroff and/or friends format man pages for display on ascii (and other) terminals and printing. I think (la)tex can be told that the printer can only handle fixed width fonts, including the spacing, Another thought is to markup with html, use a text browser like lynx to format and print (to a printer or file). 3ch
col...@yahoo.com > troff/groff/nroff and/or friends format man pages for display on ascii > (and other) terminals and printing. Tinkering with groff now. > I think (la)tex can be told that the printer can only handle fixed width > fonts, including the spacing, Wow, never would have though. Any hint about how to do it? > Another thought is to markup with html, use a text browser like lynx to > format and print (to a printer or file). Can lynx (or any other text browser) save a page just the way it "sees" it? Copy-past does the trick?
Faux_Pseudo: Ok, thanks. Now I have collected a plenty of ideas to investigate from groff to vi and emacs to *TeX and LyX and back to text browsers. And I am so short on time... Anton
In <Xns9A53E5EC8A86antontxtgmailcom@85.214.90.236>, Anton <anton.txt@g[oogle}mail.com> mentions: >col...@yahoo.com > >> troff/groff/nroff and/or friends format man pages for display on ascii >> (and other) terminals and printing. > > Tinkering with groff now. > >> I think (la)tex can be told that the printer can only handle fixed width >> fonts, including the spacing, > > Wow, never would have though. Any hint about how to do it? > >> Another thought is to markup with html, use a text browser like lynx to >> format and print (to a printer or file). > > Can lynx (or any other text browser) save a page just the way > it "sees" it? Copy-past does the trick? Sure. I did a wrapper around it: finger hil...@weird.podro.com finger ron...@weird.podro.com I figure ascii people can appreciate the linkage between 'finger' and this new-fangled "myspace" heheh (You'll want to pipe the output into less or something, it's not 80 column) Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions
Jamie: > Sure. > > I did a wrapper around it: > > finger hil...@weird.podro.com > > finger ron...@weird.podro.com > > I figure ascii people can appreciate the linkage between 'finger' and > this new-fangled "myspace" heheh > > (You'll want to pipe the output into less or something, it's not 80 > column) No idea what are you talking about :( (due to my bad English probably...) Anton
_.-In alt.ascii-art, Anton wrote the following -._ >> I did a wrapper around it: >> >> finger hil...@weird.podro.com >> >> finger ron...@weird.podro.com >> (You'll want to pipe the output into less or something, it's not 80 >> column) > > No idea what are you talking about :( > (due to my bad English probably...) It's not your Egnlish, its your lack of experiance with unix like systems. If you have a unix command line you can type at you could type: finger hil...@weird.podro.com | less And get some output that looks like an ascii version of hillary's myspace.com homepage. Its about the children. My website (linked below) also shows what happens when you mix html and ascii. You might have to manually adjust the font size in order for it to look right. -- =()==()==()==()==()- http://fauxascii.com \ \ \ \ \ \ ASCII artist :F_P:-O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- -O- Get your ASCII Art T-Shirt: http://www.keystroketshirts.com/ascii/dream-in-ascii-fullView.php
Faux_Pseudo: > My website (linked below) also shows what happens when you mix html > and ascii. You might have to manually adjust the font size in order > for it to look right. Your site is cool!
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