Any input would be great

ACK! sorry, i hope that didnt' show up as HTML text, I'm sorry if it did i don't know how to turn it
off.. and sorry for the double post.

Anig
ilo...@cheerful.com
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Anig <ilo...@cheerful.com> wrote:
 First of all, as you already have noticed, please turn off that HTML...  :)

 Here is what it was supposed to look like:

> ***Also, am I allowed to put my initials on ascii art that I do such as
> this pikachu??  Seeing as how I didn't create the pikachu character I
> was wondering if it was ok to put my initials on the ascii "rendition"
> that I did.. 

 Well, you created the ascii-art, haven't you? No matter where you got
the impression from for doing it it's your art, so there should be no
problems to put them in. Well, this is just MHO, so it might be wrong,
but I don't think so  :)

>                                               .�. 
>                                               ; : 
>                                              ;` ; 
>                                             ;`  ; 
>                                            :;   ; 
>                                            ;    ; 
>                                            ;    ; 
>                                       ..�-==--�.; 
>                        .-------------'           `�. 
>                     .;`                             ; 
>                       `��---=....__               _ ;, 
>                                   -;    _        (_) : 
>                  _.                ;   (_)   o    @  ; 
>               .,;";                )    @     ~    .;' 
>             .;`   ;                ;          ----�=; 
>           .;`     ;      .;;      : --==\\\>         `�. 
>        .,;`       :;   .;` ;      )  ---///>       ____`; 
>      .;`           ; .:`   ;  .-�/  --=\\\>         ;  `` 
>    .:`          .  :�`.;;  :,:`     --==///>        ; 
> .;`           .;;   .;` ;  ` .;_                   .; 
> :;          .;` ;  ,;   ;  .;` :;  .-.         _ ..;' 
>  :.        .;`  ; ;`    ;;�`    `�.I I:::...::( `�:__                
>   :       .;`   ;`      `'         I I         `�.___) 
>   :;     .;                        I I 
>    :,  .;`                         `-' 
>     : .;`ilmk 
>     :;` 
>     ` 

 I think it's sweet :)

> This next one is pretty big so I hope it doesn't wrap. It's not done...
> and suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW it's supposed to be a
> mouse... of sorts) 

 Well, the next isn't that wide, but the one after it. I think it would
not wrap for my newsreader [1] doesn't do such bad things *evilgrin*

>                                                          _.: 
>   :.                                                .�''""': 
>   `^":�,._                __                 ..==:�`      .' 
>   `   ` . `�._         .�' .`.�-. .    ..��``   ;`      .' 
>    '     `.    ``'�_�'     :'   ''''=``      .�'       .' 
>    `.     `.                               �`        .` 
>     ,    .�`.     �'^^'�     .'^^'.       .''�.     .' 
>      .   (  `.   �   .'.�   �   .'.�     :    )    .' 
>      `.  `�.  )  :    ' :   :    ' :    (  .�'    .` 
>        .    ``    �.,,.�     �.,,.�     ''      ,` 
>         .               __                    .� 
>         `.             (..)                 .` 
>           `--`.             .:          `---' 
>                `.          ""`        ' `. 
>         ...      `�.           _-          `, 
>           ^":.      `�.     _=`             `. 
>              `".       .'                      . 
>                ..     ,.            .           � 
>           _  ::'    ,'`..           `            : 
>     . %:`"^`       /.'             .             ; 
>   ::=`  .ooo..ooo.   .        .ooo..ooo.         ; 
>  ..     (   )(   )  .         (   )(   )         ; 
> .(  .ooo. `; : ; '.ooo.   .ooo. `; : ; '.ooo.    : 
>  .  (   )  ^ _:_  (   )   (   )  ^ _:_  (   )    ; 
>  `.. `^"`�,&'   '&,`^"`    `^"`�,&'   '&,`^"`   : 
>   `.=.   :         :           :         :     � 
>     :.%, *         *ilmk       *         *   .` 
>      `'   `""~^~""`             `""~^~""`   ; 
>                                          .:' 

 This is sort of a gremlin, isn't it? Cutie ;))

> Then this is what I got when I tried to do a more detailed version of my
> mousey (which btw is based on a picture that my friend drew)I'm sorry if
> it's too big... I was kinda getting to like it, but i cna't get the eyes
> to work. 

 Yep, that's kinda big. It's mostly 79 chars wide, and if I quote it,
it's 81 - and many newsreaders wrap at 80 (when displaying or !even!
when posting). But it's a great picture anyway!

> 
>                                                                         _..mm*
>   `*Imm._.                                                           ,&d*'$*P'M
>    ( `'$""*&m._                                                _,m=:"^ ,.'`   M
>    *   `Qb. ^"**&b_                   ._mm                _m.="^`    ,`^      M
>    M.    `Qb.   `^`""&m_.          .dJ"``(           _m.:"^        ,P`       (M
>    ((      `"L        ^`"M'&mmmmmmdb"`   MMb___,m.d"'^           .d'         (M
>     9.       `'.          ^^"'^^           `^^^^                ..`          J`
>     `h        `b                                               ,J' ..      ,P 
>      (b        ))        ,.d88b,.            ,.dd88bb.         ,hMmm&/      d) 
>       h   'mm._.M.      ,9       p.        ,J         `,.    ,MPMMP^      .7` 
>       M.    `"MMMh    .9          p.      ,Q           `9.  ,7MMM(___     d) 
>       9]      )MMM[   7            M.    .P              Q  IMMMMP""^    ,7 
>       `h     "")MMMb  d             b    *               [.  :MM'        M 
>        M'    _,dMMMM) 8             8    (               d)  `M`"M7***   ] 
>        9o.  "***QMMM' d             b    I               J`  mMMM/'?    dJ 
>         9h        .:  `9           6     [              ,P   *"^^      ,J 
>          Qb        m   `9         6       \             J`   I       .JP 
>           `b.     .I     `q88p**"`         `b         ."`    J       ]7 
>            `h.    `            .d8b.         ^""****""`     `       ,P 
>             `b.                (bId)                            .,d`' 
>              `",._,.M*         'q8p'      ,.              (Mmm&.P^ 
>                 `^  .\`                 _.&&\            .db: 
>                       9.               (&&&&&)         _mJM'`'. 
>                        "b               `~~~"       ./'^    `". 
>                         `'b..                                 Tb 
>                           ``Qb..           ,.=�                P. 
>                              `^"  ilmk  ,.'                    `&. 
>                                        d'                       `" 
>   
> 
> Here's some that I did that are small... 
> 
> <phone> 
>             _________________ 
>            /                \?`�. 
>          _/   .----------.   \_.' 
>         (_____)|??|__|??|(_____)'�. 
>              /   1 2 3    \     .�' 
>             /    4 5 6     \    '�. 
>            /     7 8 9      \   .�' 
>           /__________________\  '�. 
>           |__________________|�..�' 
>           ._.ilmk          ._. 
>   
> 
> <alien/ sammy somethingorother> 
> 
>   ��._.�� 
>    (o.o)   I come in peace! 
>    /m^m\ 
>    nn-nn 
> ilmk 

 Looks a little like an owl to me  ;)  A short diddle:
   .,_.,  
   (o.o)
   //^\\ 
   nn-nn 
ilmk|alf 

> That's about it... but I'd like to be able to make things smaller so i
> can make my own sigs, and also because the bigger ones take so long to
> work out.  I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or diddles or or
> improvments (If any of you have time your help would be greatly
> appreciated). 
> 
> Oh, and by the way, am i allowed to use the "�" character??? I find it
> very handy and use it a lot. (It's <alt>0183) 

 No, you are not - at least you SHOULD not use it if you like your art
to be seen by anyone with any newsreader. It's not a standard-character
and might look different than a 'middle-dot' on other computers (very
often unknown characters appear as squares). You should only use the
characters with a value of 32 (thats space) to 126. The complete chart
is posted _very_ often ;)

[1] http://space.mit.edu/~davis/slrn.html
-- 
Gerfried Fuchs
http://alfie.ist.org/alfie/

.----- On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:19 GMT, Anig posted:
|Hello out there :) 
|I've been observing this group for a while. And i've been
|creating ascii art for a bit... 
|
|Any way I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips.
|I can never make anything small... Everything I make always ends
|up being larger because I can't get the detail in any other way. 
|
|So, I hope you don't mind me posting a few of my pics, I'm just
|trying to Improve and I'd appreciate your help in any way. 
'-----------------------------------------
You might want to have a read of some of the documents in the ASCIIArt
Documents Archive (ADA).
http://website.lineone.net/~martin.atkins/ada/

.-----------------------------------------
|This is my newest one it took quite a while for me to get it to
|resemble pikachu... it's not the greatest but I kinda like it and
|there's always room for improvement. 
|***Also, am I allowed to put my initials on ascii art that I do
|such as this pikachu?? Seeing as how I didn't create the pikachu
|character I was wondering if it was ok to put my initials on the
|ascii "rendition" that I did.. 
'------------------------------------------
Most of us do it. It should be okay.

.------------------------------------------
|                                              .�. 
|                                              ; : 
|                                             ;` ; 
|                                            ;`  ; 
|                                           :;   ; 
|                                           ;    ; 
|                                           ;    ; 
|                                      ..�-==--�.; 
|                       .-------------'           `�. 
|                    .;`                             ; 
|                      `��---=....__               _ ;, 
|                                  -;    _        (_) : 
|                 _.                ;   (_)   o    @  ; 
|              .,;";                )    @     ~    .;' 
|            .;`   ;                ;          ----�=; 
|          .;`     ;      .;;      : --==\\\>         `�. 
|       .,;`       :;   .;` ;      )  ---///>       ____`; 
|     .;`           ; .:`   ;  .-�/  --=\\\>         ;  `` 
|   .:`          .  :�`.;;  :,:`     --==///>        ; 
|.;`           .;;   .;` ;  ` .;_                   .; 
|:;          .;` ;  ,;   ;  .;` :;  .-.         _ ..;' 
| :.        .;`  ; ;`    ;;�`    `�.I I:::...::( `�:__                
|  :       .;`   ;`      `'         I I         `�.___) 
|  :;     .;                        I I 
|   :,  .;`                         `-' 
|    : .;`ilmk 
|    :;` 
|    ` 
'-----------------------------------------------
That's nice! I've only really seen these pikachoo thingies in other ASCII
pics, so I can't really judge how like one it looks, but from the limited
exposure I've had to these 'pocket monsters' it looks right.

.------------------------------------------------  
|This next one is pretty big so I hope it doesn't wrap. It's not done...
|and suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW it's supposed to be a mouse...
|of sorts) 
|
|                                                         _.: 
|  :.                                                .�''""': 
|  `^":�,._                __                 ..==:�`      .' 
|  `   ` . `�._         .�' .`.�-. .    ..��``   ;`      .' 
|   '     `.    ``'�_�'     :'   ''''=``      .�'       .' 
|   `.     `.                               �`        .` 
|    ,    .�`.     �'^^'�     .'^^'.       .''�.     .' 
|     .   (  `.   �   .'.�   �   .'.�     :    )    .' 
|     `.  `�.  )  :    ' :   :    ' :    (  .�'    .` 
|       .    ``    �.,,.�     �.,,.�     ''      ,` 
|        .               __                    .� 
|        `.             (..)                 .` 
|          `--`.             .:          `---' 
|               `.          ""`        ' `. 
|        ...      `�.           _-          `, 
|          ^":.      `�.     _=`             `. 
|             `".       .'                      . 
|               ..     ,.            .           � 
|          _  ::'    ,'`..           `            : 
|    . %:`"^`       /.'             .             ; 
|  ::=`  .ooo..ooo.   .        .ooo..ooo.         ; 
| ..     (   )(   )  .         (   )(   )         ; 
|.(  .ooo. `; : ; '.ooo.   .ooo. `; : ; '.ooo.    : 
| .  (   )  ^ _:_  (   )   (   )  ^ _:_  (   )    ; 
| `.. `^"`�,&'   '&,`^"`    `^"`�,&'   '&,`^"`   : 
|  `.=.   :         :           :         :     � 
|    :.%, *         *ilmk       *         *   .` 
|     `'   `""~^~""`             `""~^~""`   ; 
|                                         .:' 
'------------------------------------------------
Hmm... it looks a bit like a gremlin from 'The Gremlins' movie. ;o)

.-------------------------------------------------
|
|Here's some that I did that are small... 
|
|<phone> 
|            _________________ 
|           /                \�`�. 
|         _/   .----------.   \_.' 
|        (_____)|��|__|��|(_____)'�. 
|             /   1 2 3    \     .�' 
|            /    4 5 6     \    '�. 
|           /     7 8 9      \   .�' 
|          /__________________\  '�. 
|          |__________________|�..�' 
|          ._.ilmk          ._. 
|  
|
|<alien/ sammy somethingorother> 
|
|  ��._.�� 
|   (o.o)   I come in peace! 
|   /m^m\ 
|   nn-nn 
|ilmk 
|  
'----------------------------------------
These are both recognisable.

.----------------------------------------
|That's about it... but I'd like to be able to make things
|smaller so i can make my own sigs, and also because the
|bigger ones take so long to work out.  I would greatly
|appreciate any suggestions or diddles or or improvments
|(If any of you have time your help would be greatly appreciated). 
'-------------------------------------
I don't do a lot of small ASCII myself, but the little I have done allows me
to share some tips.
Learn the shape of the charaters, which will enable you to use them to
create quite shapely, er, shapes in small spaces.
Also, learn and remember the charaters which aren't consistant over
different fonts, such as ^, ' and #. (More details in the FAQ, which is in
the ADA)
And finally, don't try to create *exactly* the shape, just 'hint' at it.
Hands are one example of this kind of thing - without doing a *very* large
pic, hands are near impossible to represent in ascii. Different artists have
different ways of representing them, but they usually involve having less
fingers or no fingers at all. The brain fills in the extra details as you
look.

When you do small asciiart, you usually find yourself using letters in the
pic more, because they offer more shapes than the usual |/\"-._ do.

.-------------------------------------
|Oh, and by the way, am i allowed to use the "[dot in the
|middle of the box]" character??? I find it very handy and
|use it a lot. (It's <alt>0183) 
'--------------------------------------
No, you can't. As it turned out, since you posted in HTML it came out as an
HTML entitiy which is more likely to render as your middle-dot on other
systems, but you aren't really supposed to post in HTML, either.
Generally, anything you can't get on the keyboard (not via Alt-###) is not
'allowed' in ASCII Art.

Hope this helps,
-Martin

(BTW... seeing this post persuaded me to make a little program where I can
paste in these HTML posts and view them instantly, rather than using
BrainBrowser(TM) (that is, formatting the post in my head) or pasting into
Notepad, saving and loading into Internet Exploder. If anyone would like a
copy of this little utility, let me know. It's Win32 only, though, and needs
VB4 Runtimes... sorry, but I find Visual Basic is great for whipping up
quick utilities)
|\/| _..__|_o._   /\_|_| o._  _   mart.atkins@--
|  |(_||  |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_>            --bigfoot.com

Anig wrote:

>  Hello out there :)
>
> I've been observing this group for a while. And i've been creating
> ascii art for a bit...
>
> Any way I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips.  I can
> never make anything small... Everything I make always ends up being
> larger because I can't get the detail in any other way.
>

joris' first and only ascii art law:


     When it comes to Ascii Art,
 difficulty increases as size diminishes.
            \
                 `,
              = = #
              |/  ?
              | ~ )\
              /__/\ \____
         ,-   /   \_/    \
       |/|   / < _____ _> \
      -|.|--/___/  ,___/___\---------
       '-'      |\/           b'ger


> So, I hope you don't mind me posting a few of my pics, I'm just trying
> to Improve and I'd appreciate your help in any way.

Nice pics.

joris