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my last week has been absolute fucking shite.
alt.ascii-art
· 13 messages · 14 Apr 2009 - 6 May 2009
metro-golden-meower wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >metro-golden-meower wrote: > >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. > >> > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. > >> > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. > > > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. > > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way > more different to actualy say it in words. > > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. The ones who keep drawing are: 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone until they reach the point where the image on the paper looks like the ideal 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus judge the image in a very different way than the artist! I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is actually *there*). This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or Not. I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm -- __ __ _____ _____ ______ __ _ _ _____ __ ||| \ \ ) )/ / \|| | \ \ / / \ \ | \ | || | / / \| ) \ ||.. \ \/ /| |_/| | |_/ /| | | || \ | || || | / \ |.PP. \ / | | \| | | \ \| | | || |\_\| || || | / /\ \ _\/___ \_( \_\__/||_| \_\\_\__/_/ |_| |_||_| \_\__/|(_( \_\ |_______ Troll Spokeswoman _____ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ ___|
Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > metro-golden-meower wrote: > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > >metro-golden-meower wrote: > > >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: > > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what > > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. > > >> > > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about > > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. > > >> > > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put > > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i > > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. > > > > > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of > > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. > > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary > > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful > > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have > > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up > > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info > > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. > > > > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying > > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way > > more different to actualy say it in words. > > > > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him > > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. > > It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in > their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends > up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, > so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at > drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > > The ones who keep drawing are: > > 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like > 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > until they reach the point where the image on the paper > looks like the ideal > 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > judge the image in a very different way than the artist! 4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is just how they choose to do that. 5. ? > I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight > years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at > my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is > actually *there*). > > This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so > difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality > is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the > picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or > Not. > > I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably > much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an > ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words > and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match > of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever > about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who > knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other people, not to what goes on inside your head. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) -- __ __ _____ _____ ______ __ _ _ _____ __ ||| \ \ ) )/ / \|| | \ \ / / \ \ | \ | || | / / \| ) \ ||.. \ \/ /| |_/| | |_/ /| | | || \ | || || | / \ |.PP. \ / | | \| | | \ \| | | || |\_\| || || | / /\ \ _\/___ \_( \_\__/||_| \_\\_\__/_/ |_| |_||_| \_\__/|(_( \_\ |_______ Troll Spokeswoman _____ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ ___|
Is this you Jane? Damn sure sounds like it. I'm so glad you're still with us?! river
In article <49E...@gmail.com>, Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > > metro-golden-meower wrote: > > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > >metro-golden-meower wrote: > > > >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: > > > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say > > > >> >> what > > > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. > > > >> > > > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry > > > >> >about > > > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. > > > >> > > > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put > > > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i > > > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. > > > > > > > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of > > > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. > > > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary > > > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful > > > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have > > > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up > > > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info > > > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. > > > > > > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying > > > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way > > > more different to actualy say it in words. > > > > > > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him > > > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. > > > > It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in > > their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends > > up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, > > so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at > > drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > > > > The ones who keep drawing are: > > > > 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like > > 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > > until they reach the point where the image on the paper > > looks like the ideal > > 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > > and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > > judge the image in a very different way than the artist! > 4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for > drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is > just how they choose to do that. > 5. ? 5. Those who draw to see what happens. > > > I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight > > years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at > > my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is > > actually *there*). > > > > This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so > > difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality > > is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the > > picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or > > Not. > > > > I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably > > much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an > > ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words > > and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match > > of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever > > about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who > > knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) > > And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea > of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other > people, not to what goes on inside your head. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm > > Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain > the Swedish expression "hellre än bra"...)
Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: 5. Those who draw to see what happens. #5 rules.
Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in > their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends > up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, > so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at > drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > > The ones who keep drawing are: > > 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like > 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > until they reach the point where the image on the paper > looks like the ideal > 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > judge the image in a very different way than the artist! > > I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight > years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at > my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is > actually *there*). > > This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so > difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality > is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the > picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or > Not. In your case: Not. Your ASCII art sucks dog ass and it always will. Trying to tell yourself otherwise is a lie.
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:38:10 +0000, Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: >> >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what >> >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. >> >> >> >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about >> >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. >> >> >> >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put >> >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i >> >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. >> > >> >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of >> >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. >> >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary >> >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful >> >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have >> >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up >> >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info >> >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. >> >> its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying >> in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way >> more different to actualy say it in words. >> >> my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him >> several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. > >It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in >their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends >up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, >so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at >drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > >The ones who keep drawing are: > >1. those who just don't care what the result looks like >2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > until they reach the point where the image on the paper > looks like the ideal >3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > judge the image in a very different way than the artist! > >I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight >years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at >my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is >actually *there*). > >This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so >difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality >is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the >picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or >Not. > >I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably >much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an >ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words >and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match >of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever >about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who >knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) i think you are right to a degree. i think it is more complex than that though. more often than not i know in my head what i want to say, but when i try and say it in words, no matter how hard i try, it comes nowhere near what i'm thinking and reads like shit. when i type anything it never comes out in a sensible order and i have to edit it and move parts around. so i try and edit it and i get nowhere and it ends up a bigger mess. then i get frustrated and pissed off and end up just junking it and completly give up trying to reply. i just spent several minutes screwing around with this one. it doesn't say what i want, but its as close as i'm going to get in my current mood. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm i shall check that out afte i reboot. atm my browser has crashed and won't run. -- _ / _ | _| _ _ |\/| _ |_ _ _ \_| (_) | (_| (/ | ) |\/| _ _ _ _ | | (/ \_ | (_) _/ ` | | (/ (_) |/|/ (/ | ` _.--'""""`--._ ` ' ' ` .-' S H P `-. .' 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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:20 +0000, Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: >Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >> metro-golden-meower wrote: >> > Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> > >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> > >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: >> > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what >> > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. >> > >> >> > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about >> > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. >> > >> >> > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put >> > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i >> > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. >> > > >> > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of >> > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. >> > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary >> > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful >> > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have >> > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up >> > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info >> > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. >> > >> > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying >> > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way >> > more different to actualy say it in words. >> > >> > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him >> > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. >> >> It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in >> their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends >> up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, >> so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at >> drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. >> >> The ones who keep drawing are: >> >> 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like >> 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone >> until they reach the point where the image on the paper >> looks like the ideal >> 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal >> and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus >> judge the image in a very different way than the artist! >4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for > drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is > just how they choose to do that. >5. ? > >> I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight >> years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at >> my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is >> actually *there*). >> >> This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so >> difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality >> is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the >> picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or >> Not. >> >> I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably >> much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an >> ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words >> and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match >> of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever >> about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who >> knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) > >And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea >of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other >people, not to what goes on inside your head. it takes a lot of effort to deal and talk to people. most of the time i don't bother as i couldn't care less. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm > >Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain >the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) i asked and she didn't know how to explain it. sara wasn't sure how to either. -- _ / _ | _| _ _ |\/| _ |_ _ _ \_| (_) | (_| (/ | ) |\/| _ _ _ _ | | (/ \_ | (_) _/ ` | | (/ (_) |/|/ (/ | ` _.--'""""`--._ ` ' ' ` .-' S H P `-. .' J _.--'""`--._ X `. / B .' ._ _. `. U \ _ / R / |\`. .'/| \ R \ _ _ . _ _ |\ | | | |/ |_ J / |_\----/_| \ N L |_ |_) /_\ |\ | / |_ | \| \_/ |\ |_ | Z J .'\|\/\/|/`. L Q | | | \ | | | \| \_ |_ | | |> (.)(.) <| | | | | =====:|__|:===== | | _.--'"\ J J =====::\/::===== F F /"`--._ .--. _.-' _\ \ \ \ \_/\_/ / / / /_ `-._ .--. ( `-| _..' _..._'.' \ `-..'` `. .-' / `.`_..._ `.._ |-' ) |`-.|_.-'.' .-' _) .-'`. `-.______.-' .'`-. (_ `-. `.`-._|.-'| | ( .( .--(_!-' .'-._ .' `. _.-`. `-!_)--. ). ) | `-.__.-'\-._!'|' \ _.' | == == | `._ / `|`!_.-/`-.__.-' \ | `--' \`---.__| (`--') |__.---'/ `--' | / `--' \.`-._____\ \ / /_____.-'./ `--' `-._______`-..-'_______.-' `-..-' Lt. Colonel/1st Virginia Volunteers/Cesium Brigade Alcotrol Labs Dept of R & D mhm x v i x i i i
endtime wrote: > > Is this you Jane? Damn sure sounds like it. > I'm so glad you're still with us?! > > river ? -- __ __ _____ _____ ______ __ _ _ _____ __ ||| \ \ ) )/ / \|| | \ \ / / \ \ | \ | || | / / \| ) \ ||.. \ \/ /| |_/| | |_/ /| | | || \ | || || | / \ |.PP. \ / | | \| | | \ \| | | || |\_\| || || | / /\ \ _\/___ \_( \_\__/||_| \_\\_\__/_/ |_| |_||_| \_\__/|(_( \_\ |_______ Troll Spokeswoman _____ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ ___|
metro-golden-meower wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:20 +0000, Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >> > >> metro-golden-meower wrote: > >> > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >> > >metro-golden-meower wrote: > >> > >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: > >> > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what > >> > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. > >> > >> > >> > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about > >> > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. > >> > >> > >> > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put > >> > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i > >> > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. > >> > > > >> > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of > >> > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. > >> > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary > >> > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful > >> > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have > >> > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up > >> > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info > >> > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. > >> > > >> > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying > >> > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way > >> > more different to actualy say it in words. > >> > > >> > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him > >> > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. > >> > >> It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in > >> their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends > >> up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, > >> so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at > >> drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > >> > >> The ones who keep drawing are: > >> > >> 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like > >> 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > >> until they reach the point where the image on the paper > >> looks like the ideal > >> 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > >> and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > >> judge the image in a very different way than the artist! > >4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for > > drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is > > just how they choose to do that. > >5. ? > > > >> I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight > >> years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at > >> my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is > >> actually *there*). > >> > >> This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so > >> difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality > >> is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the > >> picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or > >> Not. > >> > >> I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably > >> much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an > >> ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words > >> and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match > >> of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever > >> about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who > >> knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) > > > >And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea > >of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other > >people, not to what goes on inside your head. > > it takes a lot of effort to deal and talk to people. most of the time i don't bother as i couldn't care less. > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm > > > >Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain > >the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) > > i asked and she didn't know how to explain it. sara wasn't sure how to either. > Hmmm... "Rather than good" (not sure how well that works in English) It is something that is said about people who enjoy singing and who sing a lot even though it sounds terrible. Also, some amateurs who don't sound terrible at all say that about themselves. -- __ __ _____ _____ ______ __ _ _ _____ __ ||| \ \ ) )/ / \|| | \ \ / / \ \ | \ | || | / / \| ) \ ||.. \ \/ /| |_/| | |_/ /| | | || \ | || || | / \ |.PP. \ / | | \| | | \ \| | | || |\_\| || || | / /\ \ _\/___ \_( \_\__/||_| \_\\_\__/_/ |_| |_||_| \_\__/|(_( \_\ |_______ Troll Spokeswoman _____ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ ___|
On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:53:39 +0000, Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:20 +0000, Veronica Karlsson <ver...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >> >> >> metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> > Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >> > >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> > >> <psc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: >> >> > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what >> >> > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about >> >> > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put >> >> > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i >> >> > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. >> >> > > >> >> > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of >> >> > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. >> >> > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary >> >> > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful >> >> > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have >> >> > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up >> >> > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info >> >> > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. >> >> > >> >> > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying >> >> > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way >> >> > more different to actualy say it in words. >> >> > >> >> > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him >> >> > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. >> >> >> >> It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in >> >> their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends >> >> up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, >> >> so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at >> >> drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. >> >> >> >> The ones who keep drawing are: >> >> >> >> 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like >> >> 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone >> >> until they reach the point where the image on the paper >> >> looks like the ideal >> >> 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal >> >> and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus >> >> judge the image in a very different way than the artist! >> >4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for >> > drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is >> > just how they choose to do that. >> >5. ? >> > >> >> I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight >> >> years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at >> >> my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is >> >> actually *there*). >> >> >> >> This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so >> >> difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality >> >> is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the >> >> picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or >> >> Not. >> >> >> >> I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably >> >> much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an >> >> ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words >> >> and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match >> >> of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever >> >> about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who >> >> knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) >> > >> >And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea >> >of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other >> >people, not to what goes on inside your head. >> >> it takes a lot of effort to deal and talk to people. most of the time i don't bother as i couldn't care less. >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm >> > >> >Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain >> >the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) >> >> i asked and she didn't know how to explain it. sara wasn't sure how to either. >> > >Hmmm... "Rather than good" (not sure how well that works in English) > > >It is something that is said about people who enjoy singing and who sing >a lot even though it sounds terrible. Also, some amateurs who don't >sound terrible at all say that about themselves. i think i know what you mean and don't know how to explain it. -- _ / _ | _| _ _ |\/| _ |_ _ _ \_| (_) | (_| (/ | ) |\/| _ _ _ _ | | (/ \_ | (_) _/ ` | | (/ (_) |/|/ (/ | ` _.--'""""`--._ ` ' ' ` .-' S H P `-. .' J _.--'""`--._ X `. / B .' ._ _. `. U \ _ / R / |\`. .'/| \ R \ _ _ . _ _ |\ | | | |/ |_ J / |_\----/_| \ N L |_ |_) /_\ |\ | / |_ | \| \_/ |\ |_ | Z J .'\|\/\/|/`. L Q | | | \ | | | \| \_ |_ | | |> (.)(.) <| | | | | =====:|__|:===== | | _.--'"\ J J =====::\/::===== F F /"`--._ .--. _.-' _\ \ \ \ \_/\_/ / / / /_ `-._ .--. ( `-| _..' _..._'.' \ `-..'` `. .-' / `.`_..._ `.._ |-' ) |`-.|_.-'.' .-' _) .-'`. `-.______.-' .'`-. (_ `-. `.`-._|.-'| | ( .( .--(_!-' .'-._ .' `. _.-`. `-!_)--. ). ) | `-.__.-'\-._!'|' \ _.' | == == | `._ / `|`!_.-/`-.__.-' \ | `--' \`---.__| (`--') |__.---'/ `--' | / `--' \.`-._____\ \ / /_____.-'./ `--' `-._______`-..-'_______.-' `-..-' Lt. Colonel/1st Virginia Volunteers/Cesium Brigade Alcotrol Labs Dept of R & D mhm x v i x i i i
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm >>>> Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain >>>> the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) >>> i asked and she didn't know how to explain it. sara wasn't sure how to either. >>> >> Hmmm... "Rather than good" (not sure how well that works in English) >> >> >> It is something that is said about people who enjoy singing and who sing >> a lot even though it sounds terrible. Also, some amateurs who don't >> sound terrible at all say that about themselves. > > i think i know what you mean and don't know how to explain it. > Craptastic / Craptabulous ?
On Mon, 04 May 2009 20:33:30 +0200, Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen <new...@ceejay.cjb.NOSPAMnet> wrote: >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm >>>>> Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain >>>>> the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) >>>> i asked and she didn't know how to explain it. sara wasn't sure how to either. >>>> >>> Hmmm... "Rather than good" (not sure how well that works in English) >>> >>> >>> It is something that is said about people who enjoy singing and who sing >>> a lot even though it sounds terrible. Also, some amateurs who don't >>> sound terrible at all say that about themselves. >> >> i think i know what you mean and don't know how to explain it. >> > >Craptastic / Craptabulous ? i thought oblivious. only that just means unaware of something. then again, not everything translates to another language as knoxy often tells me. -- _ / _ | _| _ _ |\/| _ |_ _ _ \_| (_) | (_| (/ | ) |\/| _ _ _ _ | | (/ \_ | (_) _/ ` | | (/ (_) |/|/ (/ | ` _.--'""""`--._ ` ' ' ` .-' S H P `-. .' J _.--'""`--._ X `. / B .' ._ _. `. U \ _ / R / |\`. .'/| \ R \ _ _ . _ _ |\ | | | |/ |_ J / |_\----/_| \ N L |_ |_) /_\ |\ | / |_ | \| \_/ |\ |_ | Z J .'\|\/\/|/`. L Q | | | \ | | | \| \_ |_ | | |> (.)(.) <| | | | | =====:|__|:===== | | _.--'"\ J J =====::\/::===== F F /"`--._ .--. _.-' _\ \ \ \ \_/\_/ / / / /_ `-._ .--. ( `-| _..' _..._'.' \ `-..'` `. .-' / `.`_..._ `.._ |-' ) |`-.|_.-'.' .-' _) .-'`. `-.______.-' .'`-. (_ `-. `.`-._|.-'| | ( .( .--(_!-' .'-._ .' `. _.-`. `-!_)--. ). ) | `-.__.-'\-._!'|' \ _.' | == == | `._ / `|`!_.-/`-.__.-' \ | `--' \`---.__| (`--') |__.---'/ `--' | / `--' \.`-._____\ \ / /_____.-'./ `--' `-._______`-..-'_______.-' `-..-' Lt. Colonel/1st Virginia Volunteers/Cesium Brigade Alcotrol Labs Dept of R & D mhm x v i x i i i
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