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Beyond Lost 1/1

Beyond Lost 1/1

alt.ascii-art · 17 messages · 1 Feb 1997 - 10 Apr 1997
Rybread Celsius <ryb...@cshore.com> ASCII art 1 Feb 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
"We fight a battle       [-------------------------]

 everyday & everyday     ]     -=Beyond Lost=-     [
ryb...@anok4u2.org   
 we loose, but keep      [       Number  One       ]
www.connix.com/~rybread/
 on fighting.  We suck." ] "Teenage Angst Is Shit" [
beyond.html
                         [-------------------------]


What                                  Is
It?
-=====================================--=====================================-
If you don't know, then ask your mom and dad.  Seriously.  This is an
e-zine  
for lots (lost) of different peoples.  Those in the 203 scene will
prolly     
like it or at least be able to gulp it down.  Haquers, Doodle Boys,
Lepers    
and even an occasional Warez D00d will find a moment of nice-nice in
this     
vanilla dome.  Have fun.

-unix--kills--windows--dead--unix--kills--windows--dead--unix--kills--window--

Table of Contents:

  What is it?                                                     
  Table of Contents                                                  
  Editorial "Why `Beyond Lost': Beyond Angst" by Rybread
  UNI(X)fying DOS with the letter C++ by Khelbin
  THRST3: Using your Text Video RAM for Perverse "ANSI" Practices
        (Pascal Code UUENCODED) by The Hac
  Ripped ASCII of the Month by Rybread
  Interview with a Cyberlawyer: Dorsey Morrow Jr
  Why ASCII Strips Don't Work by Rybread
  Points 2 Ponder by The Masked Avacado
  2600 in 203: January by Khelbin
  "Poor Little Aculard" a Poem About The Lame by Spy Tech
  Tips from Khelbin
  Review of cDc's 97 t-filez by Rybread
  Philosophy with Khelbin
  CONTEST: Ode to Atari Programmers
  Classical Children's Lit.
  The Minutes of 203            
  Next Issue and Other Notes
  Masthead

Editorial:

                                                        
        I came to a realization after my much troubled and depressed
freshman 
year: Teenagers suck.  What I mean is that for all are bitching,
whining and  
"experimenting" nothing good comes from it.  So the next time teenage
angst   
came looking for me, I told it to go to hell.  It told me to get lost.
Now   
I'm beyond lost.  Wasn't that poetic?

        Looking back at that last paragraph makes me again think of
teenagers 
and my intolerable hatred for them, most possibly because I am one.  I
hate   
what I wrote, not the content but the style.  Too bad it's mine.
Enough self-
reflection.

        Emotion is something that I seem to lack, except in sporadic
bits of  
pain and pleasure that happen during a moment.  During a moment may
sound like
the present but is most defiantly the past.  A tough idea to fathom?
Maybe.  
I don't get depressed anymore for than 5 seconds at a time, it
succumbs to    
this new feeling of hollowness, which I identify with being beyond
lost.      
        Will I always be lost?  That�s the very reason I hate
teenagers with  
all there, "My parents are divorced", "I shoot up heroin", "All my
friends    
suck", whineologies.  Teenage angst should never be pitied, it should
raise   
anger.  The thing is that 99.99% of what most teenagers do is totally

pointless and doesn't make a difference and they�ll denounce most of
their    
choices and beliefs once they are "grown up".  When your beyond lost,
it takes
so much effort just to get to the point of simply being lost, but
you'll      
prolly get out of it as soon as you conform or grow-up.  As if there
is a     
difference.

        Hmm.

        I reflect back at what I wrote and realize that this idea is
just too 
much for me to put down in words at this moment, but it is most
defiantly     
real.  Too make it simple: I've seen the world, and man in particular,
through
my own tainted view and have acknowledged it as such.  I don't find
anything  
at the root level of mankind to be "there" enough for me to show more
emotion 
or expression then one can muster from the expansion of the moment.
Nothing  
makes me really happy or sad, no extremes.  I miss the extremes.
Perhaps     
being hollow or empty is a form of depression, but if this is so,
there is    
most defiantly a schism going on between them and modern man.  If your
empty  
your not depressed, I swear.  It can be confused with depression but
it lies  
in its own glorious realm of pain.

        One last example.  A friend of mine, whom I believe is also
beyond    
lost, had an abortion.  Boohoo, right?  Not really.  To get it out of
the way,
no I'm not the father you yucky minded people.  Was this a sob story?
No.    
The pity people gave her, she used either as survival, playing off it,
or     
totally dismissed it.  I did not pity her after the first moment of my

knowledge.  Moments can be dangerous.  We named the fetus and played
games    
with it and made jokes, and not to cover up uneasiness, but because we
did.   
That's are identity, more true in public charades then we can feel in
are     
solitude.  Then she had the abortion and it was other, she didn't cry
and I   
believe it when she says she doesn't harbor any hidden sadness agenda

[Sadness Agenda?  Sounds like a Smashing Bumpkins song!] or whatnot.
I never 
felt bad about it or the games, it was occupation in a dull world.  I
miss the
extremes.  I did feel bad however, I think I did anyway.  I didn't
feel bad   
about what I had done, I felt bad about how I should of felt for what
I have  
done.  So I emulated the pain, or the "feeling bad".  Well, emulation
is used 
a lot, and very well in are race, defiantly to a potion where most are

ignorant of it.  What I did above most people do, but hide it so much.
I     
define emulation as artificial means to getting the real thing or a
reasonable
facsimile.  We don't love, hate, shame, or anything anymore, except
during    
those dangerous moments that soon leave.  We emulate are emotions, we
are     
becoming machines.  You shouldn't make fun of people who practice

self-mutilation, pain is a very real thing and it can make a moment
linger, a 
very hard trick to do.  Cause when the moment fades your left with a
memory,  
that can be fuel for the emulation process, but itself a very poor
imitation. 
        So in summary, most are already beyond lost but find their way
back in
the falsehood of familiarity known as conformity.  The rebellion gene,
like a 
match, bursts into a furious uproar for a short time, the teenage
years, and  
quickly dies down with only a few cherry embers left.  A few can keep
lighting
matches, and these are the people that don't exist.

        Well, enough philosophy for right now.  So what will Beyond
Lost be   
about?  I'd like to make into an omniscene e-zine for 203/860.  So
that means,
humor, computer stuff, phracking, music, art, and coding.  Just
remember who
you are and how much it hurts to be a thinking machine, if you let
yourself
really think.  Pain be good gumbo. :)
                                   Rybread Celsius aka The Child aka
DayEight
                                    "So many handles, such a little
memory!"


                                    """"""""""""
-----------------------------------=""""""""""""     <--- Toothbrush
UNI(X)fying DOS with the letter C++| by Khelbin"
-----------------------------------=""""""""""""

I know some people have been asking about running UNIX but they don't
want to
give up DOS and they say they can't find WABI or SoftWindows and they
don't
have money to pay for those programs and blah blahabalah...

Well here's another alternative.  Go to 
http://cccsat.sorostm.ro/pub/simtelnet/gnu/gnuish/ms_sh and you can
get a
unix-like shell for DOS and some unix-like programs that run in DOS.
It's
nothing compared to real unix but maybe it's a place to start.  Also,
I wrote
a cheesy little lpr program in C.  It works find on my printer but I
seriously
doubt it would be great for the masses (I wrote it cuz there was no
lpr in
those unix-like utilities).  Well, here it is if you want:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

void prn(char *argv);
void frmt_pg(void);
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
   if(!(argc == 2 || argc == 3)) {
      printf("\nUsage: lpr [-e] <filename>\n");
      exit(1);
   }

   /* I should have used pointer notation to throw off any new C
      programmers :) */
   if(argv[1][0] == '-') { 
      prn(argv[2]);
      fputc('\x0C',stdprn);
   }
   else
      prn(argv[1]);
   return 0;
}

void prn(char *argv)
{
   FILE *fptr;
   char buff[81];
   int lcnt=0;
   if( (fptr = fopen(argv,"r")) == NULL) {
      printf("\nCould not open file %s\n",argv);
      exit(1);
   }
   frmt_pg();
   while( fgets(buff, 80, fptr) != NULL) {
      fputs(buff, stdprn);
      putc('\r',stdprn);
      if(++lcnt == 58) { n_pg(); lcnt = 0; }
   }
   fclose(fptr);
}

void frmt_pg(void) {
   int i,j;
   for(j=0;j<4;j++) {
      for(i=0;i<81;i++)
	 fputc(' ',stdprn);
      fputc('\r',stdprn);
   }
}

void n_pg(void) {
   int i,j;
   for(j=0;j<4;j++) {
      for(i=0;i<81;i++)
	 fputc(' ',stdprn);
      fputc('\r',stdprn);
   }
   frmt_pg();
}

Feal free to modify it.  I wrote it in 5 minutes and then debugged it
in
another 5 minutes so I'm sure it's nothing great.  The n_pg() and
frmt_pg() functions do a little formatting that's probably specific to
my
printer.  I'm not sure.. I really don't know much about printers since
I've only had one for about three weeks now but if you print something
more than one page on mine, when it starts printing on the next page,
it
loses about 2 lines of text (this is when doing a simple "type <file>
>
PRN".


Here's something that goes good with that little notice about UNIX
utilities
under DOS:

In continuing with making DOS look more UNIX-like (really, get the
shell and
utilities I told you about if you can't give up DOS), here is a man
program
for DOS which I whipped up.  This time it took me even less time and
I'm not
a great coder so I'm sure there's improvements but it works.

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <conio.h>
#include <string.h>
/* Change this to the path to your man pages */
#define MANPATH "c:\\usr\\local\\man\\"
/* Change this to the extensions on your man pages */
#define MANEXT ".man"

void main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
   FILE *fptr;
   char count=0;
   char buff[81] = MANPATH;
   char *file_ext = MANEXT;

   if(argc != 2) {
      printf("\nUsage: man <command>\n");
      exit(1);
   }

   strcat(buff,argv[1]);
   strcat(buff,file_ext);
   if( (fptr=fopen(buff,"r")) == NULL) {
      printf("\nman: no man entry for %s\n",argv[1]);
      exit(1);
   }

   while( (fgets(buff, 80, fptr)) != NULL) {
      fputs(buff,stdout);
      if(++count == 21) {
	 printf("\n--More\n");
	 count = 0;
	 if(getch() == 'q') exit(0);
      }
   }
}

If you have access to a UNIX box, you can borrow their man pages.
Unfortunately, if you do a "man <command> > <file.man>" you will get a
bunch
of escape codes in there.  You can easily circumvent this by piping it
through
col.  Exmaple: man diff | col -b > dif.man.  You'll probably want to
put in
linefeeds for dos too right now.  On connix the program to do this is
called
bsd2dos and most boxes have some type of program to do this.  Here's a
finalized example so you don't get pissed because you have to think:

   man diff | col -b | bsd2dos > diff.man

If you know sed, you can filter the control shiz out that way too.

Also, through Altavista, I have been able to find a version of Awk,
gzip, 
gunzip, vi, uuencode, uudecode, and sed for DOS.  [The version of C I
got also
comes with the god of Unix commands, grep!]  Pretty soon your computer
will be
quite mutated.  oh, the MS-SHELL I mentioned can be very usefull
although it
does have one bug that I discovered.  When exiting my TC++ IDE, my
computer
will hang.  Also, batch programs run a lot slower and if there is a
directory
with tons of files, the ls program sucks.  Nevertheless, it has many
advantages also and you can easily just type exit and you're back in
DOS.

/*
     rm2.c
     compile with "gcc -o rm2 rm2.c"

     I know this is quite lame but it could come in handy for someone
who
     would like to delete a file which they have write access to and
is
     owned by another user and resides in a world writeable directory
with
     the sticky bit enabled (like /tmp). 

     It actually doesn't delete a file, but resets the file to 0
bytes,
     destroying any data previously in the file.

     Note: File deletion is based on the current directories
permission,
           not the files mode itself.  In this aspect, the sticky bit
is
           useful for files with correct permissions.

*/

   #include <stdio.h>
   #define MAX 80      /* increase for large filenames */

   int main(int argc, char *argv[])
   {
      FILE *fptr;

      if(argc != 2) {
         printf("\nUseage: rm2 <filename>\n\n");
         exit(1);
      }

      if( (fptr = fopen(argv[1],"w")) == NULL) {
         printf("\nCannot remove file %s\n\n",argv[1]);
         exit(1);
      }

      printf("\nFile %s has been destroyed\n\n",argv[1]);
}

/* 
    Oh yea, I forgot that you could just do a wc -l on the file, vi
it,
    and then just ndd it and then save it (where n is the number of
lines
    wc reported).  oh well.. if you're in this area code you probably
    don't gno how to use vi anyways and would prolly just pico it and
then
    block the whole file and kill the block and then save so I guess
this
    would save you a lot of time after all. [Isn't he cute folks?]

    The lesson to learn here is that the sticky-bit is not some
god-like
    permission that will keep your files safe.  Vorrect file
permissions
    should always be present.  Not that this hasn't been known for
some
    time but rybread needed more stuff for his e-mag and I wasn't
about to
    let that space be filled with ANSI art or shit like that! :)
[ANSI? Never,
    though maybe an ASCII...]

*/
---
/*
   Ok, so I was sick of not generating any good code for you and just
   getting something that "worked" so heres an addition to that shell
   for DOS that I'd say *is* good code and optimized.

   Since cls isn't a DOS executable, when you load up the UNIX shell
   for DOS, you have no way to clear the screen.  The utilities
package
   don't have a clear program either so I wrote this one.

   I know it'd be easier to use the clrscr() function but I think this
   might run faster than that.  Anyways, I was bored and felt like I
had
   to stop writing rinky-dink code

*/

#include <stdio.h>
#include <dos.h>

void main(void)
{
   union REGS regs;

   register i;
   int far *vramptr;
   vramptr = (int far *)0xB8000000; /* change to 0xB0000000 if you
have a */
                                    /* text-only monitor
*/
   for(i=0;i<2000;i++)
     *(vramptr + i) = 0x0700;

   regs.h.ah = 2;
   regs.h.dl = 0;
   regs.h.dh = 0;
   regs.h.bh = 0;
   int86(0x10,&regs,&regs);
}


 -khelbin / 9x
 email: khe...@connix.com

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                              -=- Episode 3 -=-
           Using your Text Video RAM for Perverse "ANSI" Practices
               (or, using the VGA card to scroll big pictures)
                          -=- 01-27-97 08:21pm -=-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        This crap AGAIN??  Doesn't he LEARN not to write these things?

        Nope.

        Anyways, here's sort of a continuation of our last little
jaunt into
programming land.

        This time, we'll go over using the 64k of text mode video
memory in
everyones video card to do some good old fashioned scroll'n.

        Consider this:

        This is video memory at $B800...

       ��   ����������������������Ŀ ķ
One   Ķ    �       PAGE 0         �  �� 4000 bytes, or ONE 80x25 text
screen
80x50  �    ����������������������Ĵ Ľ
text   �    �       PAGE 1         �    Page 0 starts at $B800:0000
screen ��   ����������������������Ĵ    Page 0 ends at   $B800:3FFF
8000 bytes  �       PAGE 2         �    Page 1 starts at $B800:4000
            ����������������������Ĵ      "  1 ends at   $B800:7FFF
            �       PAGE 3         �      "  2 starts at $B800:8000
            ����������������������Ĵ                      and so on...
            �                      �
            |     and so on...     | (There should be 16 of these
pages...or
            �                      �   8...I forget...find out for
yourself...)

        (4000 bytes for an 80x25?  Yup.  2 bytes per character...char
and
         attribute...((80*25)*2)...)

       Building on what we learned last time, we can stow our binary
text
image at $B800:0000, since VGA text modes are, under normal
conditions,
defaulting to page 0...

      Every 100% compatable VGA card can move it's internal "where do
I
start" pointer to wherever you want in the $B800 segment...this is how
we do
our scrolling...we can take an 80x100 ANSI, and use the
pseudo-socially-acceptable TheDraw program to convert that bastard
ANSI into
binary format...you should have a 16000 byte binary dump now.

      BINOBJ that bastard, move the image with a swift
"move(@yourimagehere^, mem[$B800:0000], 16000)" to the jaw...from
here, you
need to access the video offset register.  Code to do this is included
in
BIGBOOTY.PAS, of course.  It's straightforward assembler...don't get
too
confused now.

        We sync to the VSYNC in there to smooth things out...I'd
recommend
NOT including it in there, and sticking it in manually, but hey, thats
YOUR
perogative.

        You feed the register (or the procedure in this case) an
OFFSET into
the video ram...so, if we wanted to flip between page 0 and page 1, we
can do
this:

                setoffset(4000); {page 1}
                setoffset(0);    {page 0}

        You can do some nifty tricks with just that for some cheap
high-speed
text mode animations...double buffered text mode game...not to
shabby...try
it.  NOW....GODDAMN YOU!! WRITE IT!!!  COME ON!! ABUSE ME!!!!!!!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.............


        <cough>

        Anyways...to SCROLL downward, we can do this:

                {------------}
                var
                   y:byte;
                begin
                    put_that_bitch_ansi_into_video_memory;
                    for y:=0 to 99 do setoffset(y*80);
                end.
                {------------}

       And off it goes...kind of makes a tear fall into my
beer...<sniff><sniff>...*sigh*...oh well...

        So...in the end:  EXAMINE THE PROCEDURE...it's mostly
assembler...KNOW WHY IT WORKS...and for GOD SAKES STOP TOUCHING ME
THERE!

                                                  -- The Hac

hac...@geocities.com
                                                     01-27-97 08:44pm
                                                      
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LLLL EEE    T         T   H H EEE   CCC  O  DD  EEE  Begin

-----BIGBOOTY.PAS---[START]------------------------8<--------------------

{
        We'll load an 80x100 text block and pan from the top to
        the bottom....

        Feel free to gimp this code for your own uses.
                                                 -- TAD
}

var
   y :word;
{��������������������������������������������������������������������������}
procedure bigansi; External; {$L BIGANSI.OBJ} {Our "ANSI"...}
{��������������������������������������������������������������������������}

{This waits for a vertical retrace to reduce snow on the screen
 and perform a simple timing function..."makes things smooth"}
Procedure VSinc; Assembler;
Asm
  mov DX, 3DAh
  @@l1:
  In AL, DX
  And AL, 08h
  jnz @@l1
  @@l2:
  In AL, DX
  And AL, 08h
  jz  @@l2
End;
{��������������������������������������������������������������������������}
Procedure setoffset(Saddr : Word);
VAR
    lb , hb :byte;
Begin
     lb:=hi(saddr);
     hb:=lo(saddr);
     vsinc;
     ASM
        MOV     DX,3D4H
        MOV     AL,0DH
        MOV     AH,[HB]
        OUT     DX,AX
        MOV     AL,0CH
        MOV     AH,[LB]
        OUT     DX,AX
     End;
End;
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Begin
  move(@bigansi^, mem[$B800:0], 16000);
  {move(@bigansi^, mem[segB800:0], 16000);   for protected mode use}
  readln; {wait for some input}
  for y:=0 to 99 do begin setoffset(y*80); end; {scroll that puppy}
  setoffset(0);
End.

-----BIGBOOTY.PAS---[END]--------------------------8<--------------------

continued next message

peace___anarchyfreedompunkinteractivefictionslackantiinfinityyellowoi!2o3.
    /  -\--- Rotund      \/   ! "Live long &     |      ryb...@connix.com
   (/    )        Pigeon  \00_|  fuck off!!"     |Its always after MidNite
    \o-o/                 _||_   Riot Nrrrd      | www.connix.com/~rybread

Beyond Lost is a zine.  Yeppers.  Its straight 78 column ascii in your
face.  Check it out.  contribute even.

you can get it zipped or read it off da web at
http://www.connix.com/~rybread/beyond.html

l8r

peace___anarchyfreedompunkinteractivefictionslackantiinfinityyellowoi!2o3.
    /  -\--- Rotund      \/   ! "Live long &     |      ryb...@connix.com
   (/    )        Pigeon  \00_|  fuck off!!"     |Its always after MidNite
    \o-o/                 _||_   Riot Nrrrd      | www.connix.com/~rybread

RevJack (rev...@radix.net) wrote:
>Previously, Rybread Celsius wrote:
>
>: Beyond Lost is a zine.  Yeppers.  Its straight 78 column ascii in your
>: face.
>
>So you post it with breaks at 70 columns. Brilliant.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>If you don't know, then ask your mom and dad.  Seriously.  This is an 
>e-zine  
>for lots (lost) of different peoples.  Those in the 203 scene will
>prolly     
>like it or at least be able to gulp it down.  Haquers, Doodle Boys,
>Lepers    
>and even an occasional Warez D00d will find a moment of nice-nice in
>this     
>vanilla dome.  Have fun.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------

>Utterly unreadable. 

>Next?

>rev...@radix.net

Prolly a reformat with more than 80 columns and pictures covering several screen depths.

Bye,

rev...@radix.net decreed the 'zine known as Beyond Lost to be

: Utterly unreadable. 
: 
: Next?

I think it's time somebody cracked down on the increasing numbers 
of users who 
don't understand the fundamentals of text formatting and wrapping 
on the 'net.
Why don't these obnoxious newbies go out and buy a book first? And 
they should
all go out and buy Macs, too, naturally.

a rare spam,
Dad

-- 
Church of the Subdued Dad's New Slacks
PO Box 4722 Portland ME 04112-4722 USA

On Sun, 2 Feb 1997, Michael Townsend wrote:
> rev...@radix.net decreed the 'zine known as Beyond Lost to be
> : Utterly unreadable. 
> : Next?
> 
> I think it's time somebody cracked down on the increasing numbers 
> of users who 
> don't understand the fundamentals of text formatting and wrapping 
> on the 'net.
> Why don't these obnoxious newbies go out and buy a book first? And 
> they should
> all go out and buy Macs, too, naturally.
> a rare spam,  Dad
> -- 
> Church of the Subdued Dad's New Slacks
> PO Box 4722 Portland ME 04112-4722 USA

Nice troll. I'd give it a 9.0 in a ONE to TEN scale.
You really got me mad. Luckily I didn't fall for it. 
 cheers, Jon, whose lines wrap at 65 chars.

rev...@radix.net (RevJack) wrote:

>Previously, Rybread Celsius wrote:

>: Beyond Lost is a zine.  Yeppers.  Its straight 78 column ascii in your
>: face.

>So you post it with breaks at 70 columns. Brilliant.

As many of people in the past have said, "oops".  That was certianly
pink of me.   Hmm.. sorry.  As for spamming, I only cross posted it
too groups that may find it interesting.

peace___anarchyfreedompunkinteractivefictionslackantiinfinityyellowoi!2o3.
    /  -\--- Rotund      \/   ! "Live long &     |      ryb...@connix.com
   (/    )        Pigeon  \00_|  fuck off!!"     |Its always after MidNite
    \o-o/                 _||_   Riot Nrrrd      | www.connix.com/~rybread

dfl...@homer.louisville.edu (David F Lynch) wrote:

>How fucking serendipitous.  Just as I'm in the mood to tear the human
>race a new asshole, this little fucker comes along and posts his fucking
>weak zine over here.  Congratulations.
[etc, etc.]

Are you realizing this thread is echoed in the following newsgroups
alt.2600,
alt.philosophy,
comp.lang.pascal.borland,
alt.ascii-art,
alt.fan.cult-dead-cow,
alt.slack,
alt.punk,
rec.games.video.atari,
alt.zines

I suggest you leave at least the comp.lang.pascal.borland and
rec.games.video.atari groups out in your next reposts. It seems so
off-topic to me.

Bob Ferguson.

-----------------------------------------
J.R. Ferguson, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
e-mail: j.r...@iname.com
web: www.xs4all.nl/~ferguson
Freeware for DOS and Windows

How fucking serendipitous.  Just as I'm in the mood to tear the human
race a new asshole, this little fucker comes along and posts his fucking
weak zine over here.  Congratulations.

Rybread Celsius (ryb...@cshore.com) wrote:
: "We fight a battle       [-------------------------]
: 
:  everyday & everyday     ]     -=Beyond Lost=-     [

VERY creative use of formatting.  Talk about CHARMING.

: ryb...@anok4u2.org   
:  we loose, but keep      [       Number  One       ]

Typo in the epigraph.  Impressive.

: www.connix.com/~rybread/
:  on fighting.  We suck." ] "Teenage Angst Is Shit" [
: beyond.html
:                          [-------------------------]

What is this, formatted for 132 columns?

: -=====================================--=====================================-
: If you don't know, then ask your mom and dad.  Seriously.  This is an
: e-zine  
: for lots (lost) of different peoples.  Those in the 203 scene will

The 203 scene.  Oh, god, I know I'm in for something great here.

:         I came to a realization after my much troubled and depressed
: freshman 
: year: Teenagers suck.  What I mean is that for all are bitching,
: whining and  
: "experimenting" nothing good comes from it.  So the next time teenage
: angst   
: came looking for me, I told it to go to hell.  It told me to get lost.
: Now   
: I'm beyond lost.  Wasn't that poetic?

Oh, this is great.  We have a fucking whiny teenager rant bitching
about how whiny and pathetic teenagers are.  Fucking get over it, OK?
Stop complaining to us about how pathetic the human race is and fucking
do something about it, OK?  Stockpile guns.  Start wearing lots of makeup
and desperately try to get laid.  Shove your nose in books all day and
assiduously avoid the real world.  Neglect your personal hygiene and
go around riding the public transport mumbling to yourself.  Find Jesus.
Start taking Prozac.  I honestly don't care about your inner demons,
because your inner demons are REALLY FUCKING LAME.  Take it elsewhere,
like alt.life.sucks, maybe, OK?

:         Looking back at that last paragraph makes me again think of
: teenagers 
: and my intolerable hatred for them, most possibly because I am one.  I
: hate   
: what I wrote, not the content but the style.  Too bad it's mine.
: Enough self-
: reflection.

If only.  Oh, if only.

:         I reflect back at what I wrote and realize that this idea is
: just too 
: much for me to put down in words at this moment, but it is most
: defiantly     
: real.

Which fucking explains everything, doesn't it, and gives you a handy
excuse to go on with your tired self-indulgent angst rambling for a
couple more pages and then spam it all over the net.  You know who you
fucking sound like?  You sound like *me*.  And trust me, that's not a
good thing.

: Nothing  
: makes me really happy or sad, no extremes.  I miss the extremes.
: Perhaps     
: being hollow or empty is a form of depression, but if this is so,
: there is    
: most defiantly a schism going on between them and modern man.  If your
: empty  
: your not depressed, I swear.  It can be confused with depression but
: it lies  
: in its own glorious realm of pain.

Excuse me, but that's the fucking DEFINITION of depression.  Get
some fucking medical treatment and leave us alone.

[lots of tech stuff, which is much less painful than the above, follows,
interspersed with]

: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:                       ��� � � ���   �  � ���� ����  ��  �� (oooh, that
:                        �  ��� ��    ���� ���� �        ���       BGI
: look!)
:                        �  � � ���   �  � �  �  ���     ��

Oooh, high-bit ASCII.  I am in AWE.

-- 
Dave (not David) Lynch/Mutant Uebergeek etc./Founder, Church of Eternal Man
dfl...@homer.louisville.edu/"Yo como hamon y queso bocadillo!"-Neil Peart
ObObsoleteHomepage:http://www.rlabs.com/lynch|(.)(.)|Please email followups
PERFECT SLACK FOREVER/ROUND THINGS ARE BORING/I'M SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On 3 Feb 1997, David F Lynch wrote:

> Excuse me, but that's the fucking DEFINITION of depression.  Get
> some fucking medical treatment and leave us alone.

He may be the generic whiny complainer, but you're just the generic
pissed off abrasive guy.  You should get over it too.

And don't tell me I am as well.  I'm not.  I'm just the generic
bemused cynic.


Austin Luminais
alu...@cs.uno.edu
ctrl-z

Austin Luminais (alu...@cs.uno.edu) wrote:
: 
: He may be the generic whiny complainer, but you're just the generic
: pissed off abrasive guy.  You should get over it too.

I *am* over it.  I *REVEL* in my generic-ness.  I was gonna tell you
about this last week, but I forgot.  I'll just have to set you all straight
TOMORROW.  I gotta go.

-- 
Dave (not David) Lynch/Mutant Uebergeek etc./Founder, Church of Eternal Man
dfl...@homer.louisville.edu/"Yo como hamon y queso bocadillo!"-Neil Peart
ObObsoleteHomepage:http://www.rlabs.com/lynch|(.)(.)|Please email followups
PERFECT SLACK FOREVER/ROUND THINGS ARE BORING/I'M SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


> :         I came to a realization after my much troubled and depressed
> : freshman 
> : year: Teenagers suck.  What I mean is that for all are bitching,
> : whining and  
> : "experimenting" nothing good comes from it.  So the next time teenage
> : angst   
> : came looking for me, I told it to go to hell.  It told me to get lost.
> : Now   
> : I'm beyond lost.  Wasn't that poetic?

> :         Looking back at that last paragraph makes me again think of
> : teenagers 
> : and my intolerable hatred for them, most possibly because I am one.  I
> : hate   
> : what I wrote, not the content but the style.  Too bad it's mine.
> : Enough self-
> : reflection.


   Hey young feller:  Bullets cost forty-eight cents.

Tourists - the other white meat.

Thaddeus R. "Navarone" Gunn (mik...@aa.net) wrote:
: 
:    Hey young feller:  Bullets cost forty-eight cents.

And if you ask nice, we'll throw the gun in free.

-- 
Dave (not David) Lynch/Mutant Uebergeek etc./Founder, Church of Eternal Man
dfl...@homer.louisville.edu/"Yo como hamon y queso bocadillo!"-Neil Peart
ObObsoleteHomepage:http://www.rlabs.com/lynch|(.)(.)|Please email followups
PERFECT SLACK FOREVER/ROUND THINGS ARE BORING/I'M SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In article <mDQ...@YGRI.net>, Doktor DynaSoar
<Dyn...@YGRI.net> writes
>}and even an occasional Warez D00d will find a moment of nice-nice in
>}this     
>}vanilla dome.  Have fun.
>
>It it's going to be 78 columns, not inserting CR's before then would
>make it look much nicer.
>
>-- 
>(@ @)\DynaSoar\___, Doktor DynaSoar Iridium, Scienfictiontologist
>      ll    ll      Yetii Genetii Research InstiToot, Somedamnwhere, VA
>Clench of The One True Pipe Dream, ElectroChurch of the SubGenius
>"We have but one purpose, and that remains unknown."  dyn...@infi.net

How did this get into alt.ascii-art in the first place?

                                            |~/           |~/
~~|;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;||';-._.-;'^';||_.-;'^'0-|~~
P |      Woof Woof, Glug Glug               ||____________||      0  | P
O |   Who Drowned the Judge's Dog?          | . . . . . . . '----. 0 | O
O | answers on alt.religion.scientology *---|_______________  @__o0  | O
L |___&_http://www.xemu.demon.co.uk_________________________|/_______| L
_________/clam/faq/woofglug.html________________________________________
(Lisa McPherson Memorial Page,http://www.primenet.com/~cultxpt/lisa.htm) 
                                  

In article <330...@news.castlsys.co.uk>, Steve A <steveaOI!S
PAMMERS!NO!@castlsys.demon.co.uk> writes
>On Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:58:42 +0000, Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
><dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> 
>> How did this get into alt.ascii-art in the first place?
>
>Aha! So *that's* where your bottomless supply of ASCII reindeer,
>nukuler reactors and drowning dogs comes from...

No, most of my sig-pictures are original to me, like the
drowning dogs, LRon Hubbard auditing a tomato, etc.

                                            |~/           |~/
~~|;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;||';-._.-;'^';||_.-;'^'0-|~~
P |      Woof Woof, Glug Glug               ||____________||      0  | P
O |   Who Drowned the Judge's Dog?          | . . . . . . . '----. 0 | O
O | answers on alt.religion.scientology *---|_______________  @__o0  | O
L |___&_http://www.xemu.demon.co.uk_________________________|/_______| L
_________/clam/faq/woofglug.html________________________________________
(Lisa McPherson Memorial Page,http://www.primenet.com/~cultxpt/lisa.htm) 
                                  

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:34:24 +0000, Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
<dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <330...@news.castlsys.co.uk>, Steve A <steveaOI!S
> PAMMERS!NO!@castlsys.demon.co.uk> writes
> >On Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:58:42 +0000, Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
> ><dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> How did this get into alt.ascii-art in the first place?
> >
> >Aha! So *that's* where your bottomless supply of ASCII reindeer,
> >nukuler reactors and drowning dogs comes from...
> 
> No, most of my sig-pictures are original to me, like the
> drowning dogs, LRon Hubbard auditing a tomato, etc.

Ah, but the INSPIRATION came from all those ASCII groups, right?

--
Past Grand Provincial Pipebearer Of The First Holy Masonic Order Of "Bob",
"Semper Fumare" Lodge, No 6,342, United SubGenius Lodge of England.

In article <330...@news.castlsys.co.uk>, Steve A <steveaOI!S
PAMMERS!NO!@castlsys.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >Aha! So *that's* where your bottomless supply of ASCII reindeer,
>> >nukuler reactors and drowning dogs comes from...
>> 
>> No, most of my sig-pictures are original to me, like the
>> drowning dogs, LRon Hubbard auditing a tomato, etc.
>
[Actually, some things are from here or common currency: Groucho,
Nica the Cat, the Bolt trying to screw the Nut, the mad cow, etc].

>Ah, but the INSPIRATION came from all those ASCII groups, right?

Well, the original drowning dog was just something I made up
before I came here.  I suppose I had seen from someone how
to draw a wave; Rob Nauta has one, they aren't uncommon.
Rendering Elron & the Tomato from the photograph to line
was something I did after I'd seen the group & gained in confidence.

Actually the main examples of ascii-art I saw were on a.r.s:
the new squirel with his squirel, jostp with his sleeping cat,
and webwalker with his piggies. Before the newsreader had an
address book, I had a Windoxe "cardfile" of newsgroup
contributors with stuff like that in it.

New_Squirrel___________
an2...@anon.penet.fi \
                       |
 Tone Scale 1.1        |
 PTS  Type  III        |
 DB    SP   WOG        |
    -{}_{}-            |
     (* *)             |
-oOo-=(+)=-oOo-        |
    // U \\ 695        |
_______________________|

-- 
  Regards,                        Woof Woof,     Glug  Glug--
  X E M U *                     Who Drowned   theJUDGe's Dog ?
   s p 4   \        |\       answers on  ( alt.religion.scientology
           /~~~~~~~  @----,  and on page (/clam/faq/woofglug.html    
-;'^';,_,-;^;  : : : : : : http://www.xemu.demon.co.uk/index.html

khr...@jagor.srce.hr 10 Apr 1997 00:00 · permalink · report
Rybread Celsius (ryb...@cshore.com) wrote:
: rev...@radix.net (RevJack) wrote:
: 
: >Previously, Rybread Celsius wrote:
: 
: >: Beyond Lost is a zine.  Yeppers.  Its straight 78 column ascii in your
: >: face.
: 
: >So you post it with breaks at 70 columns. Brilliant.
: 
: As many of people in the past have said, "oops".  That was certianly
: pink of me.   Hmm.. sorry.  As for spamming, I only cross posted it
: too groups that may find it interesting.
: 
: peace___anarchyfreedompunkinteractivefictionslackantiinfinityyellowoi!2o3.
:     /  -\--- Rotund      \/   ! "Live long &     |      ryb...@connix.com
:    (/    )        Pigeon  \00_|  fuck off!!"     |Its always after MidNite
:     \o-o/                 _||_   Riot Nrrrd      | www.connix.com/~rybread
: 

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