Sv: ASCII and e-mail + hint on how to do easy HTML and ASCII integration on a webpage

: > : Receiver must select the right font. You can only say what font u use
and
: > : receiver should use same kind of font. MS outlook express can use the
: > : message source to see the message as sended.
: >
: > Yes , that works for normal email programs.
: > For those recipients you know use a webmail and can therefore not choose
: > their font,
: > try putting this piece of HTML before the ASCII-ART :
: >
: > <PRE><TT>
: >
: > and this after :
: >
: > </TT></PRE>
: >
:
: In a plain-text environment (such as email) that *should* cause the
: text:
:
: <PRE><TT>
:
: and this after :
:
: </TT></PRE>
:
: to appear, nothing else.

That is why i pointed out that it would only work with webmails.
In a plain-text environment (such as email) you should set the font right,
like Jones pointed out.

: > This little trick can also be used on webpages , if you want to display
your
: > work on the web.

: a. It is not a "little trick", it is the way to present preformatted
:    text (which ascii art is) in html.

Figure of speech .. sorry.

: b. The <tt> tag is not necessary.

Yes it is -- you just don't know it yet .. read on.

: > Some however choose to display ASCII together with HTML and for thoose
of
: > you who do
: > know that the <PRE><TT> method is (IMHO) the best method.
:
: Uh? Using <pre> (no other tags) is *the* method.

You could say that , and in many cases just a <PRE> works.. BUT it is my
experience
that some browsers (mainly older ones) requires both tags to be set to
display the
art just right. You can get away with setting only <pre> with a large number
of browsers but in a few that just does'nt cut it - Blame it on buggy
browsers because
yes ... <pre> should be enough if you follow the standard .. but as we all
know ,
browsers can't be troubled with standards - they go their own ways.

I know this because I was once the happy programmer of a finger -> web
gateway, which
 I wanted to be able to show the ascii-art people often wrote in their .plan
files
(no other finger gateway i knew of did this) and in my test of it I
discovered that
<pre> would'nt always set the font to one of fixed-witdh on some browsers ..
but only
display spaces and linebreaks as they were written and still it would
display all
text in a proportional font.
I sadly don't have the gateway up anymore as i changed schools to one where
they did'nt allow stundent webpages and CGI.
Shame.. it was a nice little gateway .. detected webaddresses and created
the appropriate links too (in a somewhat smarter way than outlook does it)
without messing up user made links in the .plan (some people put HTML in
their .plan 's
- which I personally think is a no-no)

Anyone out there know of a free unix shellaccount that allows you to do CGI
? and fingerlookups ..

: > I have seen that some people set <PRE> and then use hundreds of &nbsp 's
: >  .. not only does that make the pages much larger in filesize but it's
also
: > more tedious to do and looks weird when you view the source.

: I think it's usually dumb programs that try to guess what you're
: thinking that do this.

What .. people that handcode their ascii-art don't handcode their HTML ?

: You do, however, need to do a little bit more than simply slap
: <pre></pre> around your pictures. You need to:
:
: 1.  Replace all   &   with &amp;
: 2.  Replace all   <   with &lt;

Ohh yeah forgot about that .. yes people - remember to run that
search-replace.

and all > with &gt;

: Please note that the semicolons are necessary, and the replacing should
: be done in the order listed above.


: Here's a little thing I made for quick "htmlifying" of ascii art:
: http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/vk/cgi/ASCII-to-HTML/

I'll be sure to check it out

- CeeJay

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