Re: Sv: ASCII and e-mail + hint on how to do easy HTML and ASCII integration on a webpage

[crossposted to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html]

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> : >
> : > <PRE><TT>
> : >
> : > and this after :
> : >
> : > </TT></PRE>
> : >
> : >
> : > This little trick can also be used on webpages , if you want to display your
> : > work on the web.
> :
> : a. It is not a "little trick", it is the way to present preformatted
> :    text (which ascii art is) in html.
> 
> Figure of speech .. sorry.
> 

ok  :)

> : b. The <tt> tag is not necessary.
> 
> Yes it is -- you just don't know it yet .. read on.
> 

Lets ask the experts...

> : > Some however choose to display ASCII together with HTML and for thoose of
> : > you who do
> : > know that the <PRE><TT> method is (IMHO) the best method.
> :
> : Uh? Using <pre> (no other tags) is *the* method.
> 
> You could say that , and in many cases just a <PRE> works.. BUT it is my
> experience
> that some browsers (mainly older ones) requires both tags to be set to
> display the
> art just right. You can get away with setting only <pre> with a large number
> of browsers but in a few that just does'nt cut it - Blame it on buggy
> browsers because
> yes ... <pre> should be enough if you follow the standard .. but as we all
> know ,
> browsers can't be troubled with standards - they go their own ways.
> 
> I know this because I was once the happy programmer of a finger -> web
> gateway, which
>  I wanted to be able to show the ascii-art people often wrote in their .plan
> files
> (no other finger gateway i knew of did this) and in my test of it I
> discovered that
> <pre> would'nt always set the font to one of fixed-witdh on some browsers ..
> but only
> display spaces and linebreaks as they were written and still it would
> display all
> text in a proportional font.
> I sadly don't have the gateway up anymore as i changed schools to one where
> they did'nt allow stundent webpages and CGI.
> Shame.. it was a nice little gateway .. detected webaddresses and created
> the appropriate links too (in a somewhat smarter way than outlook does it)
> without messing up user made links in the .plan (some people put HTML in
> their .plan 's
> - which I personally think is a no-no)
> 
> Anyone out there know of a free unix shellaccount that allows you to do CGI
> ? and fingerlookups ..
> 
> : > I have seen that some people set <PRE> and then use hundreds of &nbsp 's
> : >  .. not only does that make the pages much larger in filesize but it's also
> : > more tedious to do and looks weird when you view the source.
> :
> : I think it's usually dumb programs that try to guess what you're
> : thinking that do this.
> 
> What .. people that handcode their ascii-art don't handcode their HTML ?
> 

"handcode ascii art"???  *lol*  What other method is there? (and don't
say "conversion software"! I'm talking about programs that produce
acceptable results...)

> : You do, however, need to do a little bit more than simply slap
> : <pre></pre> around your pictures. You need to:
> :
> : 1.  Replace all   &   with &amp;
> : 2.  Replace all   <   with &lt;
> :
> : Please note that the semicolons are necessary, and the replacing should
> : be done in the order listed above.
> 
> Ohh yeah forgot about that .. yes people - remember to run that
> search-replace.
> 
> and all > with &gt;
> 

Yeah, you can do that too, but it's not absolutely *necessary*.


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