Re: [Ascii web sites]
From Veronica Karlsson <v...@hotbrev.com>
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· 17 May 2003 09:54 · View full thread
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*Ooooh! Look! Fresh troll bait!* (OK, maybe not quite so fresh, but I can live with that) *takes BIG bite!* =?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIE3DtmJz?= wrote: > Annie Ascii wrote: > > Just learn some HTML code, and write your own pages > > with a text editor. Don't use those crappy "page > > designer" programs; they suck. I agree. > > Do a Google search (www.google.com) on "HTML tutorial." > > You'll find lots of information. Good idea too. > > One of the problems with an ASCII web site is that the > > majority of people who visit the site will be using > > WinDoze, Loonix, Mac X-crement, or some other kind of > > gooey-based operating system. Doesn't matter. ASCII on web pages can show up just fine on those too, if you do it right. > > And they'll be using a graphical browser which defaults > > to a proportional font. Um, no. If this is your experience then you are not using the right tags. > > When ASCII art is rendered in a proportional font, it > > looks like crap. Yes. > > Even specifying the font type in your HTML code is no > > guarantee that an ASCII site will render properly in > > a graphical browser. Specifying a font type in your HTML code is a guarantee that an ascii site will NOT render properly in some graphical browsers. > > Even the "Courier" font used by > > some browsers is proportional. AFAIK Courier is Courier, period. Some people might not have a font called "Courier". Specifying a font is a bad idea. > Hey, according to the w3c you can be sure that the font will be of fixed-width > if you use something like <body style="font-family: monospace;">. No. Rather the opposite. CSS ("Stylesheets") is by definition only a *suggestion* which a browser can choose to ignore. Specifying a font with CSS that way is also a guarantee that some people will end up with a different font. > If somebody > has designed a browser that does not respect this standard then anybody who uses > this piece of software does certainly not deserve to be able to view your webside... If somebody has designed a web site that does not respect the user's right to turn CSS off then anybody who writes web pages that don't show up right doesn't deserve to have people reading his pages... To get ascii art to show up right in an html document you need to understand what the tags mean: * <tt> means "use a monospaced font". This will make the font right, but will treat the text the same way as other text (i.e. it will remove "extra" spaces and wrap the text). * <pre> means "use a monospaced fonts and respect my formatting". It will preserve your spaces and newlines. This is what you should use for ascii art. In both <tt> and <pre> the font used will be *a* monospaced font, but it doesn't say which one. It will simply use the one the browser is set to use (i.e. the reader's favourite). * <font> means "use this font". It fails to work when the reader's computer doesn't have that font or if the browser is set to ignore fonts. * style means "I think this font is pretty and I suggest that you use it but I won't be offended if you choose some other font or ignore this suggestion completely". It's a very humble *suggestion* and only to be used for non-critical stuff (like colours on an ascii picture). Not suitable for *specifying* anything. Then you also need to "encode" all the & characters and < characters (or the browser may think that they are "active html code" instead of content). -- ##### c ^ OO /\\\\ ##### | /|\ `^^^^^^^%-- '||` | \\\\ ####-[.]\ / \ " " \ ha ha ha dd /[.]-\\\| ### _| |_ \\| ### (_ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ _)} == \ / A S C I I A R T C H A T # ||\
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