Re: About rendering ascii code in a .txt medium

In article <360...@sympatico.ca>, Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> writes:
[snip]
|> The RFC 20 tossed up by someone in this thread is probably an invalid trial
|> balloon. It can't be found in the IETF archives, and the other RFCs tossed up
|> by that same someone are irrelevant to this discussion.
RFC20 is listed in the rfc-data.txt as having the title
"ASCII format for network interchange", and is the only RFC that I saw listed
as being relevant - Simply because you could not find the file does not mean
that I made it up [Search for the title I mentioned in the "rfc-data.txt" file
in the same directory as your rfcs are in, and you will indeed see that it is
the title of RFC 20.  If you cannot *find* RFC 20, then you aren't looking hard
enough]

As for the other RFCs I "tossed up", the were SARCASM.  It is perhaps a bit
saddening that you cannot recognize sarcasm without <SARCASM></SARCASM> tags
around it.  The point of mentioning the April Fools RFCs was to compare the
absurd things you were describing with the absurd things in those RFCs.

|> > What you are proposing (letting the artist specify fonts and color, and so
|> > on) does add stuff to the picture, in the form of font tags, color codes, or
|> > whatever the format in question is using.  When that code reacies it's
|> > target (the recipient), it will be displayed, and will be displayed right
|> > only if the recipient has everything the artist has, in the way of
|> > typographical capabilities (this especially includes specific fonts at
|> > specific sizes).
|> 
|> Well, a skillful artist will not use obscure fonts or obscure anything, you
|> can always produce bad things with good tools.
The fact remains, regardless of what fonts the artist uses, the viewer will need
to have those fonts on their computer.

|> Some people are beginning to recognize, that perceived limitations are in
|> reality just barnacles from the past, due to historical and limited
|> implementations. The ascii standard itself imposes no such limitations!
Either give us a quote showing that there are no such limitations,
or concede the argument that the ascii standard limits ascii to the being
7 or 8 bit text in the range 0x20 to 0xFF.

|> > Your views mave no merit at all, if you can't back them with proven facts or
|> > quotations.
|> 
|> My views do have merit, because I did back them up with proven facts and
|> clearly observable trends. (Although I indeed can't post quotes that don't
|> exist ;-)) 
Hmm, I seem to have missed these so called "proven facts" - could you repost
them, along with names and references of who proved them?

|> No, you did not back up the prohibitions, etc that you tossed up, you did not
|> post quotes on the prohibitions, etc from the ascii standard!
And you didn't post a quote from the standard saying that there are no
prohibitions.

|> > My viewes aren't necessarily facts either,
|> 
|> No, they aren't. In particular, there are no such prohibitions, etc in the
|> ascii standard, my friend!
<PITY FOR OBTUSE PETE>
	He obviously *meant* that his views were opinions, not facts,
	whereas you seem to be claiming that you views are facts, not opinions.
</PITY>

|> > When that code reaches the recipient, it is displayed using his or her
|> > default settings (even if they are wrong).
|> 
|> Yes, and these days, that's wrong 20% of the time and getting worse. I wonder,
|> sometimes you recognize this central issue, sometimes you want to discuss it
|> away! See the following quote.
|> 
|> > ASCII art still requires only CODE element.
|> 
|> It is exactly the denial that the other (typographical) code element exist,
|> that is like putting your head in the sand. It is exactly the other code
|> element that causes 20% troubles and becoming worse. The ascii code element
|> itself does not cause any problems.
You are *partially* right - it is a denial that typographical code is part of
the ascii character set;  There are no ascii characters to specify any sort
of typography.  Any type of code that does so specify typography is not ascii.

|> Well, what shall I say, you are probably not in a consumer friendly business,
|> or else you would not ask the viewer to spend any effort, and if they refuse
|> to do so, call them names!
He's not the one trying to promote some new definition of an old term, so he's
allowed to call lazy people "lazy" if he wants to.


|> > You know it's capabilities all right, but you are confusing them with the
|> > capabilities that other media (such as HTML) offer.  ASCII alone, without
|> > all the markup tags and crap, is capable of displaying some very good
|> > artwork, and conveying most any idea you want, but not much beyond that.
|> 
|> Almost right, but I am not confusing anything, I just don't pull the plug that
|> quickly on ascii's capabilities.
How is "ASCII alone ... is capable of displaying some very good artwork ..."
pulling the plug on ASCII's capabilities?

|> 
|> > And it is that low amount of capability (compared to other media) that
|> 
|> Just don't pull the plug that quickly, and you too will see ascii's tremendous
|> capabilities. Try it, you won't be disappointed as a pioneer, I can assure you!
You must be thinking of something other than ascii - simply by writing his message
to usenet is a use of ascii.  What is it that you want him [and the rest of us, I
assume] to do with ascii that we're not already doing?

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