Re: thank you
From Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz>
· alt.ascii-art
· 18 Oct 1998 00:00 · View full thread
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Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> wrote: >><908...@mnementh.southern.co.nz> >>>Nope. English is the only language I know where 'Angel' is a woman's >>>name, and I am not of English (or even Caucasian) descent. >> >>Ah, then you must be a _real_ Angel? >Angel is a very common Latin male name-- even in >the US. With all the nagging, it would seem that this NG >is becoming a bunch of women who are PMSing... " PMSing" ? You've got me guessing there. There does seem to be a lot more females in alt.ascii-art these days compared with 1993/1996. Some of the early talent, like Susie Oviatt, finally pulled out because she got too upset about her name being constantly stripped from her pictures...and that was in the early days... it's nothing new. > Now can't we bring back the aaa we used to know? SOAPBOX MODE: ON Nope, I don't think we can. This newsgroup has always been a bit of a rough and tumble from its very earliest days and it still goes through those patches. The dedicated users ride it out whilst others drift away. The old aaa I used to know was never very settled or peaceful for very long. The group has had many faces in 5 years. It is a real joy when you first find the group...but the magic diminishes with time. The moderated group, rec.arts.ascii, was created to solve all the problems we experience in alt.ascii-art but it does not work because what users truly wanted was for the moderator to disallow all the things that annoyed them personally as _individuals_. Bob Allison, to ensure the vote passed, personally promised to be a light-handed and benign moderator, but once the group was successfully created that policy did not please people, and I know, that behind the scenes of rec.arts.ascii, Allison got so much criticism...from too many people...who were initial enthusiasts for the moderated newsgroup...and they stopped posting and departed. And so Allison just gave up totally demoralised and burnt-out by the experience. He had expended a tremendous amount of energy, time and enthusiasm into creating the newsgroup, writing FAQs, establishing archives and FTP sites and all the rest. But the bottom line is that people are fickle and too many do not respect the freely given voluntary work and time of others. It is often said that people place the least value on things they get absolutely free...but of course nothing is really free...it is a cost to the giver. I upset Allison by saying, from the outset of the proposal, that a moderated group simply would not work for Ascii Art because it is a subject which needs to allow free expression. But, of course, there is a price to pay for allowing a free-for-all environment. At that time I was flamed to a crisp by respected regulars of alt.ascii-art. In the early days of alt.ascii-art users used to scream about GIFs and greyscale conversions, animations, non-ascii characters and pixellated stuff and they screamed about endless repetitive requests for Roses, Birthday Cakes and Beavis & Butthead. Today, the scenario has vastly changed. There has been an explosion of newbie users who are concerned with their "rights" rather than privileges in using the Net and newsgroups, and a diminishing number of newbies are willing to study the basic documents on Net use found in the newsgroups "news.announce.newusers" and "news.newusers.questions" and the hundreds of newsgroup FAQs poste monthly in news.answers and the other *.answers newsroups. Nope, the newbies including kids, jump into newsgroups and expect to be catered for and educated _as of right_ and have all their questions answered quickly by users ofthe newsgroup. If they get a hostile response then they become abusive and claim they have rights rather than privileges. This can only get worse as the Net grows at such a phenomenal rate. So, your personal approach, and that of some other users here, of trying to post pictures and comment about those pictures, together with totally avoiding, without fail, any response to trolls and disruptive postings will keep alt.ascii-art as healthy as possible. Too many newcomers and relative newcomers fail to ignore flamewars and once those people break their silence the damage is done and if old users fail to advise them to stop responding...the trolls and flames and aggro just continues. Some newbies make their very first post a criticism/flame of what they have found in the newsgroup they have just entered. SOAPBOX MODE: OFF _.-._ | | | |_ ...talk to the hand... | | | | | _ | | | | | \`\| '-._ | \ \`-.'-._; \ ' | \ .` / jgs | | Thanks but no thanks! :-) " I talk to the trees...but they don't listen to me." 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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,67b17ad89c69d87f X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public From: Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> Subject: Re: thank you Date: 1998/10/18 Message-ID: <908...@mnementh.southern.co.nz> X-Deja-AN: 402406297 References: <908...@mnementh.southern.co.nz> <199...@ng114.aol.com> Organization: Southern InterNet Services User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980226 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.4 (sun4m)) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
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