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VietMath War: Finite Integers as fake as Newtonian Mechanics

VietMath War: Finite Integers as fake as Newtonian Mechanics

--- most of text from THE MECHANICAL UNIVERSE ---
There are two possibilities. One of them  is this. The 
loop is held stationary,  not moving, and I take the magnet and I move
the magnet into the loop. 

 Show a bar magnet moving through a stationary loop.

And then, show a loop moving through a stationary bar magnet.


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That causes the current to flow. Now that
case the charges in the loop were not themselves in motion, so it
can't have been the magnetic field of the bar magnet  that made them
move but since they did move
There therefore was an electric field and so we conclude that 
a changing magnetic field, moving the bar magnet, created an electric
field. And that of course was Faraday's great discovery of
Electromagnetic Induction in the 19th century.



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And that is one explanation of that experiment.
Now there is another completely different, independent explanation and
that goes this way.  Suppose instead I hold the bar magnet stationary
and I move the loop.  Now of course exactly the same thing happens. But
in this case we have no moving magnet,    no changing magnetic field ,
but instead, the charges in the loop are moving because I am moving the
whole loop.  They have the velocity v and this velocity crossed into
the magnetic field of the bar magnet gives us a force  which causes the
current to flow and that also describes perfectly well  the experiment
that we just saw.   So those two different phenomenon that is to say
this, loop stationary and magnet moving and this,      
magnet stationary and loop moving are actually two completely distinct
independent phenomenon that have completely different  explanations.
When Albert Einstein saw that he said look guys, you just got to be
kidding any yoyo can see that those two things are the same thing.  


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So it was this simple little experiment that was really the starting
point of the theory of relativity,  not the Michelson-Morley
experiment. Not
some exotic  experiment to detect the motion of the Earth through the 
ether. But this simple little phenomenon that of course everybody knew
about, but which disturbed nobody else , except , Albert Einstein.  And
what disturbed Einstein was not that we had difficulty explaining this
phenomenon this equation explains them perfectly in every case. What
disturbed Albert Einstein was the lack of inner perfection of the
theory and what he did in response was to produce a theory the Special
Theory of Relativity which had just that kind of inner perfection.
--- text quoted from THE MECHANICAL UNIVERSE ---

  The inner perfection

How many people can see that the Successor Axiom of the Peano Axiom
System is a Series of endless adding 1 

such as 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + .....

  is the same identical Series 

as the Series of the definition of what a P-adic, (an Infinite Integer)
is.

    1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + .....

What does this mean? It means that Naturals are the P-adics and that
the old mathematics of Finite Integers was an imprecise, a foggy,
unclear concept. Just as Newtonian Mechanics was wrong and a fake, so
also is the Naturals = Finite Integers a fakery. Quantum Mechanics
replaced Newtonian Mechanics as the true physics. So also, will
Naturals = P-adics replace the fakery that is Finite Integers.

But this simple little phenomenon that of course everybody knew about,
but which disturbed nobody else, except, Archimedes Plutonium. And what
disturbed AP was not that we had difficulty proving simple math
problems as ancient as the ancient Greeks this phenomenon this
identicalness of the Series of the Successor Axiom, identical to the
Series of p-adic definition explains them perfectly in every case. What
disturbed AP was the lack of inner perfection of the theory and what he
did in response was to produce a theory the Naturals = P-adics =
Infinite Integers which had just that kind of inner perfection.

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From: Arc...@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: VietMath War: Finite Integers as fake as Newtonian Mechanics
Date: 1997/01/14
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