Re: The Best way to make ASCII Art.

Ronnie Deschenes wrote:
> Colin Douthwaite writes:
> > Ronnie Deschenes wrote:
[ 8< ]
> >>I didn't want to get involved, but you guys are acting very petty here...
> >
> > Oh come on now...what do you reckon it is going to be like in this
> > newsgroup when people DO make what they think are Ascii Art pictures
> > and DO post stuff like the example below provided by the program's author ?
> 
> Look, you guys that are against this program just refuse to admit that you
> are NOT the only customers this guy is looking for. You don't see guys
> strictly into writing poetry throw a hissy fit when MS Word adds DTP
> functions, do you?

MS Word adding DTP functions doesn't do this sort of thing to other
people's computers:

A normal xterm window:
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/what_an_xterm_window_should_look_like.gif

An xterm window after somebody has written some control code to it:
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/what_a_control_code_can_do.gif

Please read the warning about control codes that Colin posts here, and
understand that it is not just paranoia, there is grim experience of
crashed and generally fucked up computers behind that post!

> So get a grip and realize that there is NOTHING wrong
> with making a program that can do art for both ASCII and ANSI displays.
> Alt.ascii-art is NOT, by a longshot, the only place computer art is used.
> 
> And the barn was decent...
> 

Oh, sure, it didn't crash _my_ computer, _this_ time, but that's about
the only positive thing I can say about it. Here's what it looks like in
some different programs on some different types of computers:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/NOT_ascii1.gif
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/NOT_ascii2.gif
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/NOT_ascii3.gif
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/NOT_ascii4.gif
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/NOT_ascii5.gif
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/garbage_heap/techstuff/NOT_ascii6.gif

Where the last one is the one that looks best, and even that one has
some weird looking characters in it...

(other versions are still welcome)

> > We get enough garbage as it is without shareware programs to make
> > more garbage.
>
> Oh, THAT'S a beautiful point of view.

What's wrong with telling the truth?

> > Most stuff I have seen on BBSs is pure ANSI not Ascii.
> 
> Exactly. No one has a problem with that, do they?

No, so why not _keep_ it there? Why drag it here, where it causes
problems for people?

> > Now I ask you...what good is that in this newsgroup ?
> 
> Not much. But it doesn't reduce the functionality of the program A)
> outside of this newsgroup and B) if only regular Ascii is used.

A) I don't see how it being useful outside of this newsgroup defends it
being advertised here. Why not advertise your steaming hot sex site,
updated daily, while you're at it? or a quick and easy way to get rich?
or the only working method to lose weight while still eating like a
horse? or a magic perfume that will attract women to you like sugar
attracts flies? If it is off-topic for the group then don't post it to
the group. "Extended ascii" is off-topic for this group.

B) Then make a "pure ascii" version of it and advertise _that_ here. A
program that has both the "pure" ascii and some MS specific "extended"
ascii will only confuse newbies and non-tech people. I can understand
how such functionality can be very tempting to somebody who doesn't
understand the consequences of using it (an example is all those WebTV
people with "html" sigs... that look like _crap_ to everybody who isn't
a WebTV user...). The inevitable result of that is that it will cause
problems for other, innocent, people who _will_ flame you for doing BAD
things to their computers.

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