Re: AsciiArtists

In article <99ojmv$u8c$1...@news.netmar.com>, <M...@usahome.com> writes:
>greetings folks,
>
>I came across this site, http://www.mirc-rainbow.com, a mirc related site
>which shows alot of ascii art, colored.  There is a link to a site for
>E-Cards.  On that site is 'romanic' cards.  The third row down, first card,
>shows a heart and rose saying I love you.  Its Joan Stark's drawing with
>someone else's name on it. snip...

I am responding here in my original post, had problems posting in patches
reply which was�


patches wrote:
MariaLana,

I've no intention to start anything here with you. However, I would like to
state that you should really check your facts before you go around accusing
others of theft.  Yes, that picture is without outside credit to jgs, an
unfortunate mistake on the part of pete, until a few weeks ago, he had no
idea
he needed to add those as he is not that familiar with ascii art, and I was
neglect in my part to ask him to do so.  We were starting a new section on
the
website where we would feature colored ascii art pictures so others could
share
in the art together.  The actual mirc picture that was made does not have
"angltooch's" nor "jgs" credit on top, but they are underneath the art
itself.
(A common practice in mIRC colored ascii art, not the best method, but the
only
one at this point to use since adding a "color artist" and a "ascii artist"
does
interfere in the look of the finished picture.) It is extremely difficult
also
when capturing the art to be sure the initials are shown, however, should you
get the file ... most using the website view the shows section and grab the
files and when played if they drag the art, the initials are seen. Some
artists
even keep the initials on top (how it should be) but we don't make it a "You
must do that", we simply ask them to keep the initials in, hidden or not.  We
really believe that is enough to keep everyone happy.

We are making the attempt to correct those, you must have used the menu in
the
top frame as the one in lower frame had been disabled so we could make those
fixes, and I neglected to remove the one from the top menu, which as of this
writing is now removed from the site so that no more problems will occur.

However, jgs herself has been to the #mIRC_Rainbow channel on Undernet, she
knows and understands to my knowledge how we color and maintain the art.  We
strongly encourage that ascii art initials and credits be maintained in the
art,
and we do make every possible attempt to keep the integrity of the ASCII art
community happy in that manner. We are aware of the problems with the removal
of
initials, but one picture does not make us thieves.

Please try coming to mirc so you can see how we do things.  I will not be
watching or responding to any other messages in this forum about this, should
you care to email me in this matter, my email address is:
pat...@mirc-rainbow.com ... I didn't happen upon this note either, as I do
not
read the ascii art groups any longer, it was sent to me by another person who
does read this group.

The next time you decide to go around accusing someone of theft, I would
strongly suggest you view other mirc websites and you give me the opportunity
to
fix in email.  I know my email is on every page of that website, and the
email
works and is good... so give us the benefit of the doubt before you decide to
blast us for theft... 

btw, thank you for pointing out the error on the site with the menu... I have
fixed that now .... :)

Thank you,


patches
Owner of http://www.mirc-rainbow.com
Owner of The Original #mIRC_Rainbow - Undernet 


My response:

Patches,

These are your own words on your own website:

""""Ascii artists deserve the same respect, if there initials are on their
art, please respect their rights, they are the original artist of that work
and deserve to have there initials left in that art. They are the sole owner
of that art and if they chose to share it with you on there website for you
to play with, and color then put your own initials in, you should respect the
original work and keep there credit no matter what you change in that file. 

"""The reason why you shouldn't remove these credits, or alter art without
permission.  Its called theft. If you were to write a website, make your own
graphics, draw your own art, color your art in mirc, put your name on it, or
even write a script only to have someone take and remove it, I guarantee, you
will be mad, then hurt. and while you might go on still coloring, because you
know others enjoy and respect your art, you don't forget that others are
simply disrespectful to take something you worked so hard on in the first
place.  While we might not be able to prosecute, this website will indeed
publish known cases of web theft or art without hesitation.""""

You put a file on the ascii-card link website which clearly showed the author,
as being ANGLTOOCH---IT WAS DIRECTLY ON THE PICTURE.  I was pointing out this
error to show how drawings get changed, and in this instance, the original
author was not on the art, SOMEONE ELSE'S NAME was on the drawing.  Before
this oversight was corrected recently, how many people sent this card to
others with the name ANGLTOOCH on it as the author?  Thus begins the
misconception.

It is my understanding, and you seem to agree, that if you take something, a
graphic or in this case, ascii drawings from the author, their credit should
be SHOWN OUTRIGHT on your webpage.  But you disagree about Mirc, a chat
program, which is another forum to display ascii art.   You indicate coloring
skills are compromised by displaying the original artists signature outright:
as you say: "interferes in the look of the finished picture".  Therefore, the
original ascii artist will not always get 'visible to the naked eye'
recognition; only those savvy enough to drag the picture to 'view' what is
�hidden� behind the color codes will really know who actually drew it. 

You �captured� a picture on mirc, converted it to a graphic to be displayed on
the website and the way it was displayed on mirc (no visible author initials
AND then later the graphic altered with another name on it), is the way it
was placed on your website.  And there the degradation begins.  And then it
makes its way thru cyberspace with the original author lost.  You state to be
the owner of mirc rainbow website that endorses your chatroom.  But you apply
no consistency for how drawings obtained from the ascii community are
displayed in your chatroom.  Some show visible credit, some are hidden.
Everyone is happy?

People who point and click color codes on someone else's drawing are not the
original artist, and if they want to be credited for their 'enhancements' to
something they did not draw, give the originator their credits for EVERYONE
to see. Buy a coloring book....color an image, scribble a few words as a
caption on the page.  Go to the beginning of the book and read the credits,
ILLUSTRATIONS BY.  There you will see �the artist�.  Its not a secret, its
not hidden, its a copyright.

I  love the ascii artists here, jgs, b�ger, andreas, Veronica, shedragon, MJP,
llizard, Krogg, so many to name, and it compels me to express my concern on
what happens when ascii drawings leave the net or this forum.

My apologies to the aaa newsgroup for all this text.

Best wishes,
MariaLana



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