Re: um

Eric wrote:
> 
> Sharing a wisdom not previously known to readers of alt.ascii-art,
> "Kristian Andr� Gallis" <kri...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> 
> >John Doa #115-288 wrote:
> >> I take it Dutch is a bit different than German?
> >
> >Dutch often reminds of german in text, because of the common origin of
> >the languages, but when you hear it spoken, it is almost impossible to
> >draw connections between the languages.
> 
> When I was about seven, I had a German school friend who had just
> immigrated from Germany. We had very little trouble understanding each
> other, since the languages are so much alike.
> Today I find that most of the Germans I deal with in my work have little
> trouble understanding Dutch, even though they never studied the language.

OK. My mistake. For me, which knows german it is very hard to understand
spoken dutch. But written I gan get much of.

> 
> >Dutch is spoken in Dutchland,
> 
> Ugh! We're Dutchmen and we live in the Netherlands, also wrongly referred
> to by most people as Holland. There's no such thing as 'Dutchland'.

OK. In norwegian we call it Nederland, but somehow I thought it was
"Dutchland" in english.

In Norway we say that the danes speak with a hot potato in their mouth.
It is also said that dutch is a throat-decease...

> 
> >and the eastern half of Belgium.
> 
> Make that the north/north-western part. The Dutch spoken there is better
> known as Flemish.

OK. I thought it was spoken in the half that is closest to the
Netherlands.

> 
> [snip-a-dee-doodah]
> >West-germanic became english, dutch, low-german, german and frisian.
> 
> Hmmm, interesting. What's low-german?

Low-german (I don't know the proper english word, in german they call it
platt-deutsch or nieder-deutsch, in norwegian lavtysk or nedertysk) is
(or was) spoken in the lower laying parts of germany (the northern
part). 
They only speak it in the northenmost part of Germany today, I have
heard it spoken in Neum�nster. It is also the language spoken by the
"Hansa" people, traders in Europe in the middle ages.

The "normal" german is called high-german because it was the german
language spoken in the higher elevated parts of Germany.

> 
> >Even because the close relation, it is hard to a Dutch to learn german
> >compared to other languages.
> 
> It's hard to learn it *properly*, due to the elaborate German grammar. Many
> Dutchmen have no trouble whatsoever making themselves perfectly
> understandable to Germans by using a 'Germanised' version of Dutch.
> 
> Eric
> (genuine cloggy)

Cloggy??
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> Sig added just to make the posting slightly on-topic ;-)

If you are interested in languages, and differences:

OLDNORSE (the language of the vikings).
**************************
Deyr f�,                  
deyja fr�ndr,            
deyr sjalfr it sama;     
en or�st�rr                
deyr aldrigi              
hveim er s�r g��an getr.
**************************


ICELANDIC
**************************
Deyr f�, 
deyja fr�ndur, 
deyr sj�lfur i� sama; 
en or�st�r 
deyr aldregi 
hveim er s�r g��an getur. 
**************************


NORWEGIAN
**************************
D�yr fe;
d�yr frendar;
d�yr sj�lv det same.
Men ordet om deg
aldri d�yr
vinn du eit gjetord gj�vt.
**************************


SWEDISH
**************************
F� d�r, 
fr�nder d�, 
�ven sj�lv skiljes du h�dan, 
men efterm�let 
aldrig d�r 
f�r envar, som ett gott har vunnit.
************************** 


ENGLISH
**************************
Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die, 
but one thing never, I ween, will die,-- 
fair fame of one who has earned.

or

Cattle die, kindred die,
yourself will die:
But the story never dies
of one who has done well 

This is taken from H�vam�l, more information at
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/havamal.html



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Jeep   Pick-up   Wagon



Kristian Andr� 
-- 
*************************************  Deyr f�,                  
*  Kristian Andr� Gallis            *  deyja fr�ndr,            
*  e-post: kri...@ifi.uio.no      *  deyr sjalfr it sama;     
*  http://www.ifi.uio.no/~kristiag/ *  en or�st�rr                
*  NORGE/NORWAY/NORVEGE/NORWEGEN    *  deyr aldrigi              
*************************************  hveim er s�r g��an getr.

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