Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 1 Jan 1998.
Smiley-face query
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· 14 messages · 1 Jan 1998 - 11 Jan 1998
I consider myself a rather skilled smiley face maker. I know all the standard experessions, never get them backwards, and have even ventured to create my own variations on occasion. But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: (No, I don't mean Bob :)) You, see my problem. The closing parenthesis interferes with the smiley, muddling the picture. It looks as though I was trying to make an open-mouth-grinning smiley, and did a poor job at it. That was not my intent, of course. Even worse, what am I to do when I need to place a sad-smiley in the same position? Example: (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() This looks likes some sort of shocked-smiley, not at all the message I wanted to convey. What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank you in advance.
On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:45 -0600, -@-.- (Major Major) wrote: >I consider myself a rather skilled smiley face maker. I know all the >standard experessions, never get them backwards, and have even ventured to >create my own variations on occasion. > >But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end >of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > >(No, I don't mean Bob :)) > >You, see my problem. The closing parenthesis interferes with the smiley, >muddling the picture. It looks as though I was trying to make an >open-mouth-grinning smiley, and did a poor job at it. That was not my >intent, of course. > >Even worse, what am I to do when I need to place a sad-smiley in the same >position? Example: > >(BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() > >This looks likes some sort of shocked-smiley, not at all the message I >wanted to convey. > >What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank you >in advance. You'll have to place the smilie outside the closing parenthesis: (No, I don't mean Bob) :) (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise) :( Kate Hadley--Bodmin--Cornwall--UK http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Park/1615/ ,/ \, boo...@globalnet.co.ukEDIT_THIS_OUT ((__,-"""-,__)) `--)~ ~(--` .-'( )`-, "Software Reviews for `~~`d\ /b`~~` ordinary folk". | | jgs (6___6) `---` No Bullshit! Subscribe To The FREE Bi-monthly Newsletter!
> On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:45 -0600, -@-.- (Major Major) wrote: > >But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end > >of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > > > >(No, I don't mean Bob :)) My kludge is to drop the ")" (like this. ;^/ You can't have closing punctuation, though, because it makes drool (like this :^(.
Didja hear what -@-.- (Major Major) said?
}What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank you
}in advance.
My usual reaction is to switch to a left-handed smiley.
(No, I don't mean Bob (-:)
Though this doesn't help much for your sad-face question.... Perhaps
a rose for rememberance, instead?
(BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise @}-`-- )
But hey - what do I know? I just lookit the pretty pitchers. ;-)
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Major Major wrote: [ 8< ] > But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end > of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > > (No, I don't mean Bob :)) [ 8< ] > (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() [ 8< ] I agree, this is a problem. (I usually try to add some space around the smiley :) ) (If it's a smiling smiley you can also just ignore the ending ")" :) (If the smiley is in the middle of the text :) this isn't such a great problem, but it might be a little bit confusing since you might think the parenthesis ended with the smiley...) And then, of course, there are situations where smileys seem to appear when they shouldn't... can't think of one right now, but I have seen such examples. And finally there is the problem of punctuation that can, for example, turn a sad smiley into a crying smiley. In that case the best idea seems to be to place the smiley after the dot and with a little extra space in front of it. :) -- _ _ __ ___.--'_`. __ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/ /-' '/ ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ ' LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/
Kate Hadley (boo...@globalnet.co.uk) wrote:
: On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:45 -0600, -@-.- (Major Major) wrote:
: >But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end
: >of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this:
: >
: >(No, I don't mean Bob :))
: >
: >You, see my problem. The closing parenthesis interferes with the smiley,
: >muddling the picture. It looks as though I was trying to make an
: >open-mouth-grinning smiley, and did a poor job at it. That was not my
: >intent, of course.
: >What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank you
: >in advance.
:
: You'll have to place the smilie outside the closing parenthesis:
: (No, I don't mean Bob) :)
: (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise) :(
The above does solve the problem with the appearance of the smiley, but
otherwise leaves a lot to be desired. This way the smiley is placed in
a different part of the sentence structure than the text it references.
In fact, we have not one but two problems here:
1. How to keep punctuation from interfering with emoticons?
2. How to keep emoticons from interfering with punctuation?
Problem 1 is rather trivial. Any solution which places a blank on both
sides of the emoticon is adequate. As for problem 2, one needs some way
of identifying an emoticon and discarding it.
This is far from simple, and probably no completely unambiguous solution
can exist. However, a relatively simple algorithm would consider any
otherwise meaningless string of punctuation that ends in a (opening or
closing) parenthesis and begins after a blank to be an emoticon.
This would suggest that putting an emoticon before a parenthesis is OK,
as long as a space is left between them:
(No, I don't mean Bob :) )
The layout is rather 'airy', but is as unambiguous as it gets. In any
case, it'd say we can all agree on the following points:
* Emoticons cannot close a parenthesis.
* Double-chinned smileys are both ugly and ambiguous.
As an exercise for readers, try to devise an algorithm to identify
emoticons as well as possible. Consider for example the following
points:
* Emoticons may use other characters than "()" as a mouth. "[]{}<>|/\&"
and so on should be easy, but what about :-X , :-9 or :-I ?
* What about letters in other parts of an emoticon? How would you parse
"..about the exam (I got a B-) which we.."? How about "Bob" (a smiley
with sunglasses, potato nose and tongue sticking out ;) )?
* What about emoticons with (parts of) a body, such as the (in)famous
"big girl smiley"?
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In article <34A...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: > > Major Major wrote: > [ 8< ] > > But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end > > of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > > > > (No, I don't mean Bob :)) > [ 8< ] > > (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() > [ 8< ] > > I agree, this is a problem. > > (I usually try to add some space around the smiley :) ) > > (If it's a smiling smiley you can also just ignore the ending ")" :) > > (If the smiley is in the middle of the text :) this isn't such a > great problem, but it might be a little bit confusing since you might > think the parenthesis ended with the smiley...) > > And then, of course, there are situations where smileys seem to appear > when they shouldn't... can't think of one right now, but I have seen > such examples. > > And finally there is the problem of punctuation that can, for example, > turn a sad smiley into a crying smiley. In that case the best idea seems > to be to place the smiley after the dot and with a little extra space in > front of it. :) . /\ ha ,^^, ha < \_ ^%--- ha <__ \ ha ^^ \ / ejm97 / I :^) think :^) that the :^) repeated use :^) of these :^) sideways :^) smiling :^) faces :^) can :^) really :^) detract :^) from :^) the text :^) and I use :^) them as sparingly as possible, but if I :^) really :^) require :^) a picture to indicate my happiness or grief, I :^) place :^) a small self :^) portrait that isn't :^) sideways at :^) the beginning, :^) during, or :^) the end of :^) the :^) statement. (This :^) then, :^) eliminates the :^) paranthetical :^) problem :^) entirely.) If I :^) had to :^) comment on your :^( Aunt's :^( demise, :^( I would :^) simply put: <^^=--- < \/'\ waah haah... ^,< ' (BTW, I was sorry to hear |\ ' of your Aunt's demise.) ejm97 / / And if I :^) felt the need to :^) explain :^) that it :^) wasn't Bob, I :^) would :^) type: ,^^^%--- <_/ \ (No, I don't mean Bob.) /> / > /|'^ ejm97 | \ NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent"; its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers. -- ,^^,__ ha www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/ < \ ^,\ ha cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca < \ ^%--- ha llizard aka ejm < __ \ ha ^^ \ / (ha ejm97 / ppy new year!)
Major Major wrote: > But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end > of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > > (No, I don't mean Bob :)) > > (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() > > What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank you > in advance. I am so very well aquatinted with this problem... I can only offer my humble and not entirely satisfying solution: (it looks something like this :-) ). It is still annoying but sure as hell beats sad stuff like this (:-(). Hope we find a better solution to build a better future for our ASCII. Israel. _ ()___( \ (___)) ) () (_/
Major Major wrote: > > I consider myself a rather skilled smiley face maker. I know all the > standard experessions, never get them backwards, and have even ventured to > create my own variations on occasion. > > But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end > of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > > (No, I don't mean Bob :)) > > You, see my problem. The closing parenthesis interferes with the smiley, > muddling the picture. It looks as though I was trying to make an > open-mouth-grinning smiley, and did a poor job at it. That was not my > intent, of course. > > Even worse, what am I to do when I need to place a sad-smiley in the same > position? Example: > > (BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() > > This looks likes some sort of shocked-smiley, not at all the message I > wanted to convey. > > What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank you > in advance. My ways of useing Smileys and )'s: (Hey! New nose! :s) (Funny thing. :-) (OK thing. :-| ) (Bad thing. )-: (Of course, any smiley/frowney can be used instead! :-) I close the ()'s (Ugh! Ugly mouth..... :-) with the one in the smiley. I think in mainley depends on what you like, and where it's being used. (In other words, don't accidently use the double-chin smiley in a plastic surgery newsgroup.............. :-) At ;-) least ;-) the ;-) person ;-) who ;-) posted ;-) text ;-) like ;-) this ;-) didn't ;-) use ;-) smileys ;-) inbetween ;-) every ;-) word, ;-) like ;-) I'm ;-) doing! ;-) Don't ;-) you ;-) see ;-) how ;-) horribley ;-) annoying ;-) this ;-) can ;-) be?!?!? ;-) You ;-) should ;-) be ;-) glad ;-) I ;-) don't ;-) keep ;-) on ;-) posting ;-) with ;-) alternate ;-) smileys ;-) inbetween ;-) words! ;-) See ;-) how ;-) annoying ;-) this ;-) is?!?!?! ;-) (Hey! 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On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Randy Gardner wrote:
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of smileys.
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In article <34A...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> writes > >And then, of course, there are situations where smileys seem to appear >when they shouldn't... can't think of one right now, but I have seen >such examples. > > An example: this (Turnpike) newsreader software Printer Setup - Default printer (HP LaserJet on LPT1:) (When I can't get articles to print and go to change setup it looks like it's laughing at me!) -- Adrian Ford Lancaster Synthesis Ltd adr...@lansyn.demon.co.uk
Major Major <-@-.-> wrote in message <--010...@pm2-5-04.cyberspc.mb.ca>... >But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end >of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > >(No, I don't mean Bob :)) Whenever I come against this problem, I use dashes -- like this ;) -- instead of parenthesis. It's less detracting from the ;) part of the smiley. >(BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise :() Of course, this does not seem to be "parenthetical information" -- if you only mention their Aunt's passing in, well, in passing, do you really give the impression that you care? :\ -- (See, I did it again with the dashes!) But you see what I mean, I think. If you want parenthesis that badly, maybe you could reword it "(BTW, I heard your aunt passed away. :( I'm so sorry)" because this phrase doesn't seem to lend itself to dashing, although for the most part dash & parenthesis are almost equivalent. >>BKNambo, who mourns -- really :\ -- inability to parenthesize smileys -- http://come.to/brocks.place | World Domination Through Trivia! oah123 (in chatquiz, 12/27/97): "did you guys know during the SPIN cycle the clothes are like being spun really fast? LOL i just found that out!"
In article <--010...@pm2-5-04.cyberspc.mb.ca>, Major Major <-@-.-> writes >But I am always perplexed by one situation. That is, a smiley at the end >of a sentence in parenthesis. Such as this: > >(No, I don't mean Bob :)) There isn't a "standard, orthodox" way to deal with this. But two obvious suggestions would be (1) spaces round the smiley and (2) use sqaure brackets. [ like this :) ]. |~/ |~/ ~~|;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;||';-._.-;'^';||_.-;'^'0-|~~ P | Woof Woof, Glug Glug ||____________|| 0 | P O | Who Drowned the Judge's Dog? | . . . . . . . '----. 0 | O O | answers on *---|_______________ @__o0 | O L |{a href="news:alt.religion.scientology"}{/a}_____________|/_______| L and{a href="http://www.xemu.demon.co.uk/clam/lynx/q0.html"}{/a}XemuSP4(:)
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Kirsten M. Berry wrote in message <34a...@news.wenet.net>...
>Didja hear what -@-.- (Major Major) said?
>
>}What is the correct protocol for placing smileys in parenthesis? Thank
you
>}in advance.
>
>My usual reaction is to switch to a left-handed smiley.
>
>(No, I don't mean Bob (-:)
>
>Though this doesn't help much for your sad-face question.... Perhaps
>a rose for rememberance, instead?
>
>(BTW, I was sorry to hear of your Aunt's demise @}-`-- )
>
>But hey - what do I know? I just lookit the pretty pitchers. ;-)
>
>
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