To Nana Re: SPAM COMPLAINTS - <harryvn@psi.net>

On Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:18:02 -0400, jeanne
<tlj...@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU> wrote:

>Nana, like Joan said, DON'T GIVE UP :-)

Yes! Don't give up!
Everytime someone gives up reading or posting to this group or any
other group because of the spam, the spammers have won again!

If you want to freely communicate with other people, you'll have to
deal with idiots and spammers.
If everyone leaves the newsgroups because of the spam and moves to
mailing lists, the spammers will spam mailing lists (already happens
today). If the list-owner then increases the security of the list the
spammers will even subscribe in order to spam...

And if you quit public communication altogether, they'll still be able
to spam your eMail...

And suddenly you're stuck with "Read-Only-WWW"... :(

Don't give up! Fight them!

>Here is some proof things WILL get better!

Although it may look as if armageddon is already there on Usenet
(about 1.4 Million Spams and Spamcancels per week), the situation will
get better, as soon as more newsserver admins use better anti-spam
measures than cancels (NoCeM, Spamdetectors).
And there will soon be a few improvements to current Usenet (the mod.*
hierarchy; various proposals to make Usenet more resistant to abuse
(commonly known as Usenet 2)).

>I and many others complain daily to ISPs of spammers -
>and it DOES do some good :-)
>(I'm sure you all saw the refered to spam in this NG today)

Yes, it often does some good!
The more people complain the better.

--=20
Christian Sommerer   E-Mail: elr...@gmx.net
>Wie kann ich jemanden finden, der gerade =FCber Metronet online ist?
Immer dem Gefluche nach.
 - Thomas Broda in de.alt.provider.metronet

Christian Sommerer (elr...@gmx.net) wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:18:02 -0400, jeanne
><tlj...@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU> wrote:
>
>>Nana, like Joan said, DON'T GIVE UP :-)
>
>Yes! Don't give up!
>Everytime someone gives up reading or posting to this group or any
>other group because of the spam, the spammers have won again!
>
>If you want to freely communicate with other people, you'll have to
>deal with idiots and spammers.
>If everyone leaves the newsgroups because of the spam and moves to
>mailing lists, the spammers will spam mailing lists (already happens
>today). If the list-owner then increases the security of the list the
>spammers will even subscribe in order to spam...
>
>And if you quit public communication altogether, they'll still be able
>to spam your eMail...
>
>And suddenly you're stuck with "Read-Only-WWW"... :(
>
>Don't give up! Fight them!
>
>>Here is some proof things WILL get better!
>
>Although it may look as if armageddon is already there on Usenet
>(about 1.4 Million Spams and Spamcancels per week), the situation will
>get better, as soon as more newsserver admins use better anti-spam
>measures than cancels (NoCeM, Spamdetectors).
>And there will soon be a few improvements to current Usenet (the mod.*
>hierarchy; various proposals to make Usenet more resistant to abuse
>(commonly known as Usenet 2)).
>
>>I and many others complain daily to ISPs of spammers -
>>and it DOES do some good :-)
>>(I'm sure you all saw the refered to spam in this NG today)
>
>Yes, it often does some good!
>The more people complain the better.


I have strongly suspected for a considerable time now that it is
very possible that spamming is part of the tactical agenda of those
who wish to exert control over the Net by introducing moderation of
newsgroups, the mod.* hierarchy, and other similar control devices.

It is certain that the wall-to-wall spam on the alt.sex.* newsgroups
is a deliberate tactic to destroy those newsgroups and there are
some people who have a long-term agenda to remove all sex.*
newsgroups from the Net.

Similar things have happened to other newsgroups such as
rec.games.mecha which was subjected to not only spamming but also
binary bombing...these excesses have virtually ceased now that an
RFC/CFV has been issued to change the status of rec.games.mecha to a
moderated newsgroup.

It all looks like plans by a very few people to exert control of the
Net so it pays for all Net users to be vigilant and not to be fooled
by those who would curtail freedom.

Spamming is quite definitely used as a tool and a tactic and usually
the originator(s) disguise their addresses and identities. They are
" Net-wise ".


It is essential that _unmoderated newsgroups_ are preserved and not
forced into moderation under false premises.

Email spamming is entirely different. There it is largely UCE
( Unsolicited Commercial Email ) where the purpose is to advertise
and offer goods and services to a huge captive Net audience.

Sure there are mailbombs from people with personal grudges against
individuals but the vast majority of email spams are selling
something via a very cheap medium.

The warning is...

" Let Net users beware of all those who would destroy freedom in
  this medium ".


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