Help! Problems.

Jonathon R. Oglesbee <ogl...@fullnet.net--removetoreply> wrote:

> I read and post on alt.ascii-art frequently, and there seems to be some
> kind of general problem with that newsgroup.  Several users in
> geographically distant areas from each other are complaining about not
> receiving postings, receiving only Re's to posting but not the original
> posts, and other such annoyances on a fairly large scale, and for a couple
> of weeks now.

Right.  The Problem is not specific to alt.ascii-art.  This is happening
in All Newsgroups at Many, Many Sites.

>    Not long ago, our news group was beset with a large number of junk (or
> spam) posts.  These began to be cancelled, but a few of us are now
> concerned that legitimate posts are also being cancelled, and that this may
> explain some of our problems.

Your Articles are not being cancelled.  They simply are not making it
through, because Usenet as a Whole is Seriously, some say Terminally,
Ill.

Right now, all but a Small Fraction of News Traffic is Spam and Spam
Cancels.  Worse, the Volume of Spam is constantly increasing.  Many
Servers are no longer able to keep up with the Junk, and they are losing
Articles All Over.  A Server that loses Articles cannot relay them to
Other Sites, so that Propagation is slowed at Best, destroyed at worst.
This is even evident in the Big-8 Newsgroups, which generally enjoy much
better Propagation than alt.*

The Solution is simple, but not enough Providers care to do anything.
They need to stop allowing Spammers to use their Services, and to stop
exchanging News with Sites that allow Spammers to post.

Mw.,
F.

In article <199708311153496083281@[10.0.2.15]>, "Fluffy(R)"
<flu...@meow.org> writes
>Right now, all but a Small Fraction of News Traffic is Spam and Spam
>Cancels.  Worse, the Volume of Spam is constantly increasing.  Many
>Servers are no longer able to keep up with the Junk, and they are losing
>Articles All Over.  A Server that loses Articles cannot relay them to
>Other Sites, so that Propagation is slowed at Best, destroyed at worst.
>This is even evident in the Big-8 Newsgroups, which generally enjoy much
>better Propagation than alt.*
>
>The Solution is simple, but not enough Providers care to do anything.
>They need to stop allowing Spammers to use their Services, and to stop
>exchanging News with Sites that allow Spammers to post.

Just a note that demon.co.uk must be doing something right, because I
am getting no problems here or in my big alt group (250 messages per day
with all the usual northamerican and european contributors present).
If nothing else, a bunch of sensible providers such as demon, xs4all
and one of the decent northamerican ones will just have to combine in
a mutual feed and NoCeM whole problem ISPs out of their shared network.

Then the mnessage will get round bt simple market mechanisms: if your 
local newsfeed is collapsing for lack of such measures, then either
they join in or lose your custom. Sensible users who find themselves
getting nowhere because on spm ISPs will move out fast.

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Hi,

Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk> writes:

"Fluffy(R)"> <flu...@meow.org> writes
> >Right now, all but a Small Fraction of News Traffic is Spam and Spam
> >Cancels.  Worse, the Volume of Spam is constantly increasing.  Many
> >Servers are no longer able to keep up with the Junk, and they are 
losing
> >Articles All Over.  A Server that loses Articles cannot relay them to
> >Other Sites, so that Propagation is slowed at Best, destroyed at 
worst.


It appears that many ISPs can't provide the service they are contracted 
to provide.

So blame it on the spammers - why not !!!

If you use an inept ISP who can't handle the current volume then 
terminate your account and find a decent one - in the end all that will 
be left will be good high volume ISPs.


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Neil McAliece