Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 5 Dec 1994.
Talk: Who reads FAQs anyway
alt.ascii-art
· 12 messages · 5 Dec 1994 - 15 Dec 1994
Eli McInnis <014...@dragon.acadiau.ca> wrote: >rcu...@gmuvax.gmu.edu (DUSTIN CUSHMAN) writes: > >>Can someone tell me where I can find a gif to ascii converter? >>Thanks >>Dustin> > >In general, you can probably find many places listed in the FAQ (since >this IS a frequently asked question) ... but the main reason for this >follow up is to sugest that maybe a converter be posted here every month >or two for the people that are new or that don't know how or don't have >access to ftp. > >It might make it a less frequently asked question? (because it will be so >much more conveineint for every one to find? ..anyway... it shouldn't >really be necessary ..but it could be a nice thing to do..) Unfortunately, many people (including myself at times) don't want to bother reading a FAQ. It's too bad 'cause a lot of folks supplied info to make the ASCII ART FAQ fairly solid. You can learn an awful lot from the FAQ (especially the longer versions). -- .ooo. .oo. .ooo oooo. ooooo .oo. oooo. .oooo. oo oo oo (88***:88*** d88*88 88**8b 88***.88*** 88**8b :88**88: 88 88 88 '88b 88F d88 88 88 .8P 88oo 88F 88 .8P:88 88:88 88 88 Y88 ?88 :8888888 8888" 88** ?88 8888" :88 88:88 88 88 888 *8b..88L 88 88'8b 88... *8b.. 88'8b '8b..d8' 88bd88bd8F :88888F "*8F 88 88 88 '8F 8888F "*8F 88 '8F ^*88*^ 88F"88F"
Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, many people (including myself at times) don't want to >bother reading a FAQ. It's too bad 'cause a lot of folks supplied info >to make the ASCII ART FAQ fairly solid. You can learn an awful lot from >the FAQ (especially the longer versions). This might be because many FAQs are *huge* (e.g. the ASCII Art FAQ). I think you ought to consider moving the "Where can I find ASCII Art?" question to a seperate document. Also, there seem to be many questions that are not about ASCII Art, but are about using computers and the net. These are legitimate questions, but they are answered in other FAQs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, these questions are asked in inappropriate groups (e.g., this one), but people who do that don't read FAQs anyway. How about splitting the FAQ into 3 articles when you post it? There could be a "Questions about ASCII Art" section, a "Where to find ASCII Art" section, and a "How to make a .plan, use FTP, etc." section. Any comments? -- Matt Messina mes...@umich.edu ObAscii: .plan by Randy Ransom <ran...@scf.usc.edu> . -- . Randy's Plan is brought to you today by ( ) the letters L, N, and by the number 10. ( (/oo\) ) ( \''/ ) WW ( \/ ) wwwwww /__\ ( ) w"ww ww"w | oo | _WWWWW_ ( ) W o""o W (o)(o) (|_()_|) / o o \ (+)(+) oo ( )W ______ W w" "w \__/ (| __O__ |)/ \ w"()"w ( ) "w \_\/_/ w" W -====- W /|\/|\ \ \___/ / \ -==- / W -==- W ' -- ' ww""wwwwww""ww "w w" |||||||| /-------\ \ / "wwww" = = |||||||||||| w""""""""""w |||||||||=========| <\/\/\/> w" "w = = ||||||||||||W W|||||||||=========| / \ Elmo Big Bird Oscar Cookie Monster Bert Ernie Kermit
Matt Messina wrote: > >Bob Allison wrote: >> Unfortunately, many people (including myself at times) don't want to >>bother reading a FAQ. It's too bad 'cause a lot of folks supplied info >>to make the ASCII ART FAQ fairly solid. You can learn an awful lot from >>the FAQ (especially the longer versions). > >This might be because many FAQs are *huge* (e.g. the ASCII Art FAQ). Well taken. Size does have it's down side too. The upside is that's it's all in one place. One doc to handle, and only fifty some K too! >Also, there seem to be many questions that are not about ASCII Art, but >are about using computers and the net. These are legitimate questions, >but they are answered in other FAQs. > >Yeah, yeah, yeah, these questions are asked in inappropriate groups (e.g., >this one), but people who do that don't read FAQs anyway. I don't count the ASCII groups among the inappropriate groups for technical info. ASCII art is, in the way we use it, a computer art. It is technical. We talk about font formats, ANSI, compression formats, GIF converters, Figlet servers, how make ASCII art appear correctly in a Web page, aspect ratios, how best to view it, how to use the archives, the need for uuencoding, and how to do it, emacs macros for drawing with a mouse, how to untar a copy of Figlet, animation and 3-D technicalities ... >How about splitting the FAQ into 3 articles when you post it? There >could be a "Questions about ASCII Art" section, a "Where to find ASCII >Art" section, and a "How to make a .plan, use FTP, etc." section. Leave it to Matt to think of what I'm thinking. I just haven't done it. >Any comments? Yeah, where the obascii art? >Matt Messina >mes...@umich.edu > >ObAscii: .plan by Randy Ransom <ran...@scf.usc.edu> > > . -- . Randy's Plan is brought to you today by > ( ) the letters L, N, and by the number 10. > ( (/oo\) ) > ( \''/ ) WW > ( \/ ) wwwwww /__\ > ( ) w"ww ww"w | oo | _WWWWW_ > ( ) W o""o W (o)(o) (|_()_|) / o o \ (+)(+) > oo ( )W ______ W w" "w \__/ (| __O__ |)/ \ > w"()"w ( ) "w \_\/_/ w" W -====- W /|\/|\ \ \___/ / \ -==- / >W -==- W ' -- ' ww""wwwwww""ww "w w" |||||||| /-------\ \ / > "wwww" = = |||||||||||| w""""""""""w |||||||||=========| <\/\/\/> >w" "w = = ||||||||||||W W|||||||||=========| / \ > Elmo Big Bird Oscar Cookie Monster Bert Ernie Kermit -- .eeeeee..eeeee..eeeeee..eeeeeee..eeeeee..eeeee.eeeeeee...eeeeee..eee..eee..eee @@@@@@@:@@@@@@:@@@@@@@@:@@@@@@@@:@@@@@@:@@@@@@:@@@@@@@@:@@@@@@@@:@@@::@@@::@@@ %%%-----%%%----%%%--%%%-%%%--%%%-%%%----%%%----%%%--%%%-%%%--%%%-%%%--%%%--%%% &&&&&&++&&&++++&&&&&&&&+&&&&&&&++&&&&&++&&&++++&&&&&&&++&&&++&&&+&&&++&&&++&&& *||||||*|||****||||||||*||||||***|||||**|||****||||||***|||**|||*|||**|||**||| ====!!!=!!!====!!!==!!!=!!!=!!!==!!!====!!!====!!!=!!!==!!!==!!!=!!!==!!!==!!! :::::::#::::::#:::##:::#:::##:::#::::::#::::::#:::##:::#::::::::#::::::::::::: ......@@@.....@...@@...@...@@...@......@@.....@...@@...@@......@@@...........@
In article <3bvc2c$1p...@gagme.wwa.com> bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes: >Matt Messina wrote: >> >>Bob Allison wrote: >>> Unfortunately, many people (including myself at times) don't want to >>>bother reading a FAQ. It's too bad 'cause a lot of folks supplied info >>>to make the ASCII ART FAQ fairly solid. You can learn an awful lot from >>>the FAQ (especially the longer versions). >> >>This might be because many FAQs are *huge* (e.g. the ASCII Art FAQ). > > Well taken. Size does have it's down side too. The upside is that's >it's all in one place. One doc to handle, and only fifty some K too! [snip!] >>How about splitting the FAQ into 3 articles when you post it? There >>could be a "Questions about ASCII Art" section, a "Where to find ASCII >>Art" section, and a "How to make a .plan, use FTP, etc." section. > > Leave it to Matt to think of what I'm thinking. I just haven't done >it. I'd like to offer another motive for doing it: limitations on some readers' newsreaders. My newsreader can't handle anything bigger than 1500 lines; chops the sucker off right there! So I can't get the whole ASCII Art FAQ as posted. What's even worse is that the part on how to *get* the FAQ is near the bottom of the file -- past the 1500 line mark -- so I never get to see that part and learn how else I can obtain the FAQ!! Get yer scissors out, Scarecrow! :) >>Any comments? > > Yeah, where the obascii art? Just in time for the Christmas Season: an ascii *hug* -- ! ___ ____ ___ ____( \ .-' `-. / )____ (____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____) (____ `-----( ) )-----' ____) (____ _____________\ .____. /_____________ ____) (______/ Joe Reiss `-.____.-' \______) Cathy Krusberg Internet: ckb...@uga.cc.uga.edu
In article mes...@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes:
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My news readers says that mes...@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: >Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> wrote: >> Unfortunately, many people (including myself at times) don't want to >>bother reading a FAQ. It's too bad 'cause a lot of folks supplied info >>to make the ASCII ART FAQ fairly solid. You can learn an awful lot from >>the FAQ (especially the longer versions). ... voting for the creation of this group and reading it now from the very beginning i have to say that i like the FAQ. It is well organized and Bob obviously spent a lot of time maintaining it :-) >This might be because many FAQs are *huge* (e.g. the ASCII Art FAQ). ... ok, it _IS_ huge. But you'll find everything there that you want to know. The FAQ is divided in chapters which exactly tells you in a clear way what to do and you only have to look for the specific chapter containing the answer to the question. So it is not necessary to read _EVERYTHING_ said there. >I think you ought to consider moving the "Where can I find ASCII Art?" >question to a seperate document. ... i would not do this. This only stops people from reading it because they have to get it separately. >Also, there seem to be many questions that are not about ASCII Art, but >are about using computers and the net. These are legitimate questions, >but they are answered in other FAQs. >Yeah, yeah, yeah, these questions are asked in inappropriate groups (e.g., >this one), but people who do that don't read FAQs anyway. ... ok, they're answered elsewhere but if all the people asking there questions would scan thru the other groups they wouldn't ask here. This means that the answers to these questions _NEED_ to be in the FAQ too. And i wouldn't be too sure about people asking anyway and skip reading the FAQ. Since the creation of the group many people asked how to uudecode etc., but when the answers to these questions appeared in the FAQ, asking for this sort of things became much less. And today there are only a few people asking these questions and they'll get the answer "rtfm" :-) So they can look up everything they want. >How about splitting the FAQ into 3 articles when you post it? There >could be a "Questions about ASCII Art" section, a "Where to find ASCII >Art" section, and a "How to make a .plan, use FTP, etc." section. ... yes, i'd like this one too. The FAQ obviously grows _TOO_ large. And even worse the same thing applies to the web-version. My mosaic version (mosaic for windows version 2 alpha 7) for some reason does not like documents being that long. No it obviously is no memory problem. It's an internal problem of the program. So i'd like to see the web-version being split up too. How about it, Bob? >Any comments? >-- >Matt Messina >mes...@umich.edu Cheers, Paul -- .odbo. .od88888888bo. Paul Foerster .od8888888888888888bo. .od888888888888888888888888bo. pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de od88888888888888888888888888888888bo `~888888888888888888888888888888~' `~888888888888888888888888~'| "Beam me up Scotty, there's no `~888888888888888888~' | intelligent life down here!" |`~888888888888~'| | \ `~888888~' / A `-_ `~~' _-' H `--____--'
CBS News said that Paul Foerster <pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > >... yes, i'd like this one too. The FAQ obviously grows _TOO_ large. And even >worse the same thing applies to the web-version. My mosaic version (mosaic for >windows version 2 alpha 7) for some reason does not like documents being that >long. No it obviously is no memory problem. It's an internal problem of the >program. So i'd like to see the web-version being split up too. How about it, >Bob? As to the Web version, I have it all in one piece so that once the FAQ is transfered, the reader can bounce around it without the need to wait while various segments are loaded or re-loaded. And I did separate off the examples page, and the Figlet font page. If your browser is having problems, maybe you should get a new browser, like Netscape for example. -- . //\\_ /:\ || _ /;:.\ ||.._ /'\\< \,,._-_ /'\\ /'\\,._-_ /'\\ \\ \\ \\ //;:. \ '""|| || /-|| || || / || || || || || || || ///;:.. \ || || (( || || ||/ || || || || || || || __--"////;:... \"--__ ,-:;// \\,/ \/\\ \\, \\,/ \\,/ \\, \\,/ \\//\// --__ "--_____--" __-- '""--_______--""'
bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes: >Matt Messina wrote: >>How about splitting the FAQ into 3 articles when you post it? There >>could be a "Questions about ASCII Art" section, a "Where to find ASCII >>Art" section, and a "How to make a .plan, use FTP, etc." section. > > Leave it to Matt to think of what I'm thinking. I just haven't done >it. If you'd like I can start crossposting my Signature and Finger FAQ to the ascii art newsgroups and you can just delete that part of the Ascii Art FAQ. Let me know, Nancy PS - You can access my FAQs from my Internet Web page: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/
The tabloids say that Nancy McGough <nan...@ii.com> wrote: > >If you'd like I can start crossposting my Signature and Finger FAQ >to the ascii art newsgroups and you can just delete that part of >the Ascii Art FAQ. Post when ready, Gridley, I mean, Nancy. I will probably leave that part of the FAQ as it is because the FAQ goes to a lot newsgroups, FTP, Gopher, Web sites, and is mailed to a lot of people. Whether it gets read or not is another story. :-) -- . . .. ... .:.. ...:..::.:::.::::::::.:::.::.:..:...:.. ..:. ... .. .. . . ------ ---=- .=-==-= .=#==##= :=##### .##=#= =##==#= . ==-=-- -=- --- --- ------- ---=-= -=-====# =#==#=#= #=###= =#=#== #=#==##= -=-==--- =-- .=-- --- --- --- . =-= :=-= -== :=## ### :::##= :..=#= .=== ==- .=-- -=- --- --- ------ -=- . -=-==-== =#==##= :#=### :##= .:.#===#== .-=- .-=- =-= -=- --- ------ --- .. --==--== ==##== .:####= :=#= ::.=#=#== ..==- --= -=- .--- --- --- =-- . -== .=-= #=# =## :### :::##= :..#=# === .=-- .-=- =-- =-- --- ------- ----=- =-= .-== =#= :##= =##### =##==# =#= .#== ==--=--- -=----------- ------ -=-== -=- :=-= =## .=## #=###= .##=#= ##= .=#= -==--= .=-=--=----- . . .. ... .:.. ...:..::.:::.::::::::.:::.::.:..:...:.. ..:. ... .. .. . .
In article <3c4ofi$h3...@gagme.wwa.com> bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes: >CBS News said that Paul Foerster <pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: >> >>... yes, i'd like this one too. The FAQ obviously grows _TOO_ large. And even >>worse the same thing applies to the web-version. My mosaic version (mosaic for >>windows version 2 alpha 7) for some reason does not like documents being that >>long. No it obviously is no memory problem. It's an internal problem of the >>program. So i'd like to see the web-version being split up too. How about it, >>Bob? > As to the Web version, I have it all in one piece so that once the FAQ >is transfered, the reader can bounce around it without the need to wait >while various segments are loaded or re-loaded. And I did separate off >the examples page, and the Figlet font page. > If your browser is having problems, maybe you should get a new >browser, like Netscape for example. ... ok, i'll try Netscape if you tell me where to get it. And no RTFM! :-) Paul -- .odbo. .od88888888bo. Paul Foerster .od8888888888888888bo. .od888888888888888888888888bo. pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de od88888888888888888888888888888888bo `~888888888888888888888888888888~' `~888888888888888888888888~'| "Beam me up Scotty, there's no `~888888888888888888~' | intelligent life down here!" |`~888888888888~'| | \ `~888888~' / A `-_ `~~' _-' H `--____--'
Santa told me that Paul Foerster <pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > >> If your browser is having problems, maybe you should get a new >>browser, like Netscape for example. > >... ok, i'll try Netscape if you tell me where to get it. And no RTFM! :-) Go to my home page, http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/ which has a link to the Netscape page, where you find a link to the FTP site. The latest version is .96 released 12-8-94. -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ /_/\ / / /_ / / / / / \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \ / / \ /_/\ \ /_/ / /\/_/ / /_/ /\ \/_/ /\ \/_/ /_ /_/ / /_/ /\ \/_/ /\ \/_/\ \ \ \ \ \/ \ \ \ _\ \ \/ \ \ \/ /\ \ \/\_\ \ \ _\ \ \/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ /\ \ \ \/ /\ \ /\ \ \ __ \ \ / /\ \ \/ /\ \ __ \ \ \_\ \ \ \ \ \ \_\/ / /\ \ \/ /\ \ \_\/\ \ \_\/\ \ \/ /\ \ \/ /\ \ \_\/\ \ \/ /\ \ \ / /_/ / \ \ / \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / \ \ / \ \ \ \ \ / \ \ / \_\/ \_\/ \_\/ \_\/ \_\/ \_\/ \_\/ \_\/ \_\/
Some lonely electrons transmitted the message to me that Bob Allison alias bob...@gagme.wwa.com once wrote: > Santa told me that Paul Foerster <pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > > >> If your browser is having problems, maybe you should get a new > >>browser, like Netscape for example. > > > >... ok, i'll try Netscape if you tell me where to get it. And no RTFM! :-) > > > Go to my home page, http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/ which has a link to > the Netscape page, where you find a link to the FTP site. The latest > version is .96 released 12-8-94. .. well, i did. And if this posting doesn't fail then you'll probably read my first post using Netscape. Which is much better than NCSA Mosaic because it is a lot faster and even remembers which articles one already read. It also obviously behaves a lot more system friendly and has a better memory management. The times when Windows goes swapping for 5 mins. is definitely over ;-))) But there is one drawback: It does not support automatic signatures. Anyway, thanx for the pointer, Bob. Cheers, Paul pau...@heino.ibh.rwth-aachen.de
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