Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 12 Oct 1998.
Figlet Frogsteins
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· 12 messages · 12 Oct 1998 - 19 Oct 1998
Several 'stein emulators have produced Figlet Frogsteins, the first one that I
am aware of was sgt pinback. But also Philip Powell, Lester - AMC, Johan de
Koning and others, have produced Figlet Frogsteins.
I have diddled a couple of Figlet Frogstein versions, one which corresponds to
a line/outline style and one which corresponds to a solid style. Hope you like it!
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| | _____ | | .oo
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\_\ _ _ _ _ /_/ Frogstein by Pete Casso
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Figlet Frogstein by Lester - AMC and Pete Casso
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11 11 11 11
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111 1111 1111
11 11
11 11 .oo
11 11111 11 ( -)
11 11 " "
11 11 Frogstein by Pete Casso
11 11 11 11
11 11 11 11
Figlet Frogstein by Johan de Koning and Pete Casso
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[] .oo Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! []
[] ( -) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ []
[] " " Frogstein, who has a point behind his eyes []
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Artists and Lawyers.
Personally I couldn't care less about 'copyrights' on ascii-art. I hope I
have a style of drawing which is a bit recognizable and really doesn't need
the 'Ojo' underneath. Just like Joris' pictures of people are always
recognizable as his.
Anybody who copies and uses things I once diddled will know who made it
and I'll know I made it. That they wish to behave like rappers and steal
their fame of others...sad, but well, I won't loose any sleep over it.
Some people here however have a different attitude towards the subject and
think the name is even more important than the drawing. For some people this
is understandable because their "art" has no personal style whatsoever.
Some people are not artists at all, they are lawyers...
Go to a museum of arts and see how many times you see the word Copyright or
the (c) under a painting or sculpture.
Usually artwork is signed, dated and sometimes numbered.
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[] The Holy ASCII and the Three Wise 'steins []
[] Copyright 981009 Pete Casso []
[] []
[] \ / []
[] - - []
[] / \ []
[] + @ []
[] \^^/ o o @ []
[] oo \oo/ @ oo []
[] .- (- ) (- ) =--(- ) []
[] \ ASCII ; <(:<) <(:<) <(:<) []
[] `/----\ ^^ ^^ ^^ []
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Mainly three times the same figure (combination of [o(-:<^] )
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[] The 'steins - The Holy ASCII and The Three Wise 'steins []
[] Copyright 981009 Pete Casso Revision 981010 []
[] @ []
[] @ []
[] @ @ []
[] \ / @ @ []
[] - - @ @ @ @ []
[] / \ @ @ @ @ []
[] @ @ @ @ []
[] @ @ @ @ @ []
[] Birthday @@@@@ @ @ @ []
[] Happy \ @ @ @ @ []
[] \ + .::::. @ @ []
[] \^^/ \oo/ @ oo. []
[] _ oo (c ) =--(- ) []
[] / (c ) <(:<) <(:<) []
[] \ ASCII ; <(:<) ^^ ^^ []
[] `/-----\` ^^ []
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Notice here that two of the 'dash'-mouths have changed into a 'c' and
that the 'at'-smoke is now some text. Stein(TM)2 has changed its crown...
(That's three changes, nothing NEW!)
.oo .oo .oo
( -) ( -) ( -)
" " " " " " Pete Casso's Frogstein(TM)-awards...
Yes! That's exactly the same thing three times... Not even taken the time
to make one of them wink or even to add a bellybutton...
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[] The 'steins - Thanksgiving in Hell []
[] Copyright 981011 Pete Casso []
[] []
[] I roasted Birdstein for dinner! []
[] / []
[] / Thanks, I took her hat! []
[] / / []
[] ,, _==_ []
[] ( "> ,, OO. []
[] ,(> )>`""' (- ), []
[] ( ^^ " " ) []
[] []
[] @ []
[] @ []
[] .oo @ []
[] ( -)--= []
[] ,(>:)> []
[] ( ^^ []
[] Oh dear, Hell has really bad ethics! []
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The Stein(TM) with the pipe is now mirrored and has a tail. The Frogstein(TM)
also has a tail now (To show how evil it is) and has a close encounter with
a 'hat'. Devilstein(TM) is a Birdstein with a tail (Devil=evil=with a tail)
and two 'horns'. It's holding something that's never been drawn before and
(from the text) seems to be a roasted Birdstein(TM)...
________________________
{WOW! I have actually }
{made it into a FAQ! }
{Now my life is complete!}
//""""""""""""""""""""""""
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/\v/\_//'
|| | .-' I wish no-one knew who I was.
|| |u| Then maybe I'd be famous too.
('"|"| /
| | | .PC
,|_|_|, ( -)___________________________________
__(_,|,_)___/" "
This is NOT a Stein(TM) character. The Stein(TM) characters have 'o's for eyes
and this one has PC (Stands for Pete Casso, which hints strongly to Picasso, who
was by the way a real artist)
111 111
1 11 1
1 11 1
111 111 111
1 1
1 1
1 111 1
1 1
1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
by Johan de Koning
This doesn't even remotely look like ANY Stein(TM) Pete Casso has EVER created.
All his Steins(TM) fit in four lines and consist of 8-12 different characters.
Besides, Frogstein(TM) has a point behind his eyes ( Repeatedly stated so by
Pete Casso ). This drawing has three '1's, making a 'dash' or 'underscore'.
I have to point out to Mr Pete Casso that a lot of the Stein(TM) characters have
been made up by other people. The ASCII-War characters forinstance weren't his.
The rest of the 25 posts in the newsgroup are just text with somebody else's
ascii-art. A lot of whining about copyrights (Are you really registering
8 ascii-characters? Show me!)
By the way, all claimed copyrights by Pete Casso are expired... They are all
valid (not really, but well...) for one day.
This leads me to believe that Mr Pete Casso can safely change his name to
'Judge Dread', stop posting here and go to any of these...
news://alt.philosophy.law
news://alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue
news://alt.law-enforcement
news://clari.news.law
news://clari.news.usa.law
news://law.class.581-Goldstein (Not a Stein(TM) by Pete Casso, how appropriate!)
news://law.class.IBT271-Steinberg (Not a Stein(TM) by Pete Casso either!)
news://law.class.conlaw2-goldstei
where he doesn't even have to bother to add the Steins(TM). He can moan about
copyrights without even having to 'create' anything! (Heaven! Not, Pete?)
Either that or get his own newsgroup:
news://alt.pete_casso.is.fantastic(moderated)
I kindly request Pete Casso not to talk to me again without actually making
some NEW ascii-art. And I do not mean RECYCLE your once-funny-same-drawing-with-
different-text-everytime gags.
Phew, that feels better!
Ojosh!ro.
And just to create something and annoy you...
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####+xxx+ x###. x###. XxxxX#. x#. x#X x####
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#### ...- x###. x###. +...+#. x#. x##. x####
####+xxxxxX###+xX###+xxxxxX#+xX#+xX##+xXOjo#
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____ Time : Tue Oct 13 11:54:59 1998
.X+. .
.Xx+-. . A woman is not property, and husbands who think otherwise
XXx++-.. are living in a dreamworld. Lazarus Long (47)
XXxx++--..
`XXXxx+++--'
`XXXxxx'
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Wow! That was a long post! Just a few comments, since I don't have the stamina to write long replies ;-)) I am doing cartoons, and as any other cartoon, the pics are very simple, the pics are reused over and over again with only minor variations, the cartoons are copyrighted as usual, just look in your newspaper, however I welcome (constructive) diddles, (good humored) parodies, figletizing, etc. Of course, there will always be less than constructive diddles etc in a real world. ========================================================= [] .oo Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! [] [] ( -) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] " " Frogstein, who has a point behind his eyes [] =========================================================
Pete Casso wrote: > > Wow! That was a long post! Just a few comments, since I don't have the stamina > to write long replies ;-)) > > I am doing cartoons, and as any other cartoon, the pics are very simple, the > pics are reused over and over again with only minor variations, the cartoons > are copyrighted as usual, just look in your newspaper, however I welcome > (constructive) diddles, (good humored) parodies, figletizing, etc. Of course, > there will always be less than constructive diddles etc in a real world. The fact that Herge' has his Tintin copyrighted (Yes, he went through the motions of having the bureaucrats actually sign a paper that says something like: "Chamber of commerce ...blah blah... register "Tintin" being a cartoon ...loadsa blah blah... owned by Herge' ...blah blah blah...reproduction of material ...blah... use of characters ..blah blah... without permission of abovementioned ...blah blah... prohibited and punishable ...blah blah...", signed by some bigwig. ) doesn't automaticly validize any cartoon with some (c) under it, so your 'look in your newspaper' kind of missed the bull. Show me that piece of paper. ( And the proof that the autograph under it is by that 'some bigwig' ). As long as I haven't seen it I will NOT acknowledge your 'copyrights' only the fact that you were the initial creator (assumed that's true) of the 'Steins'. So, either get your wallet out and have those 8 chars copyrighted... ( It can be done, Microsoft has had the 'Microsoft cursor' for quite a while. ) Then you can throw the lawbook at people who use your 'Steins' (Which you also should have TradeMark'ed(TM)...) At this moment I'm even allowed to use the name 'Pete Casso' if I would want to. So, there's your rights in a nutshell. You have the right to remain silent, everything you say can and WILL be used against you. Sayonara! Ojosh!ro. -- ____ Time : Thu Oct 15 12:42:43 1998 .X+. . .Xx+-. . Inductive logic is much more difficult -- but can produce XXx++-.. new truths. Lazarus Long (136) XXxx++--.. `XXXxx+++--' `XXXxxx' "" Ojoshiro isn't a registered trademark, it's simply my nickname. The real Ojoshiro ( Hell knows what the kid's gonna do after I submit this post ) is recognizable by style and signature... and you can of course always send mail to me to validate authenticity )...
> Show me that piece of paper.
Here, I hold it up on the screen, do you see it?
Kidding aside, this has been discussed many times in the past. FYI, even if a
pic is posted here on aaa without any initials, it falls under copyright
protection. Initializing a pic means asserting copyright, there is no other
legal basis. You wrote a while ago: just keep Ojo somewhere on the pic ...
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[] .oo Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! []
[] ( -) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ []
[] " " Frogstein, who has a point behind his eyes []
=========================================================
Ojosh!ro <ojo...@lunatech.com> wrote: >Pete Casso wrote: >> >> Wow! That was a long post! Just a few comments, since I don't have >> the stamina to write long replies ;-)) >> I am doing cartoons, and as any other cartoon, the pics are very >> simple, the pics are reused over and over again with only minor >> variations, the cartoons are copyrighted as usual, just look in your >> newspaper, >> however I welcome (constructive) diddles, (good humored) >> parodies, figletizing, etc. Of course, there will always be less >> than constructive diddles etc in a real world. OK, I waited to see Ojo's response to that particular Casso posting and Ojo has dealt mainly with Casso's copyright authority. However, look very carefully at Casso's final statement. After announcing in earlier posts that he welcomed diddles of his cartoons and stein characters he has now _again_ begun to qualify what what he will and what he will not allow by stating now: " however I welcome (constructive) diddles, (good humored) parodies, figletizing, etc. " Casso continually makes numerous statements and then just changes the rules later as soon as something upsets him. He demonstrates a total lack of integrity, reliability, and credibility. You can be sure that Casso did not approve of Tweeter's recent parodies of his cartoons even though he had given permission for diddles and parodies in his postings with the sole qualification that they must not be done by me personally. These Casso postings, with his constant changes to his own rules, can always be used in any possible challenges to his copyright claims. Tweeter added the following to the end of several recent postings: > Permission to desecrate this twit's "Intellectual (I'm trying not > to laugh, honest) Property" granted in > Message-ID: <361...@sympatico.ca> > Tweeter > Just one little speaker Here is Mr. Casso's Message-ID: <361...@sympatico.ca>: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <361...@sympatico.ca> From: Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> Organization: Frogstein and Birdstein Productions Subject: Re: The 'steins - The Eulogy Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:21:38 GMT Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Hmm, sorry, but after the latest string of complaints from you and > your troll-like behaviour in deliberately stripping original credits > and attaching incorrect credits to a whole series of Ascii pictures, Ha ha, now you understand intellectual property, now that you have been placed on the "damaged party" side of things! > I have to say that I, personally, no longer enjoy any of your works > or your writings. To Colinstein: Put me on your killfile, nothing more welcome to me than that! To the rest of the newsgroup: The request not to repost the 'steins was addressed to Colinstein specifically. But for the others, I welcome diddles to the 'steins, I have even created the 'stein awards! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Retrospectively,
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> Show me that piece of paper. >Here, I hold it up on the screen, do you see it? >Kidding aside, this has been discussed many times in the past. FYI, even if a >pic is posted here on aaa without any initials, it falls under copyright >protection. Initializing a pic means asserting copyright, there is no other >legal basis. You wrote a while ago: just keep Ojo somewhere on the pic ... So your copyright claim has been nothing more than a joke all along? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! VERY, VERY, BLOODY FUNNY !!! And now...no matter what your true name may be or your true sex..."Begone from here thou Foul Troll and Noisome Spirit and trouble us no more!" {~~})_. //--^^\ )|_\ // o O ^\ \ \ GROGODA \\_ ^^ _- | ) \-\. :==^;-' ' _ ( \ -\~\. The great she-troll / ~~~ ; |" \ / \ \~-. of the root swamp / ' ( ) ' | } ) ) \ _\ ( , / '`/` , \ _/ ( ( - ~-. { ^ ',) , ' } _ ) \ ~-. ( "A giant of a Troll. (( , > ,' ,\/ \ \ ~-.\ Layers of long, thick ( / | } ) \ ~ growths slimed with ( ( { ' , ', ' ' , \ . . ~ green hung from its ( } , ' ` ( \ \ - ~-. body like ( ( { , ` , ' ) ) \( ragged robes. ( \ ( , ', ) ' \ ) ( ) ( `, { , ) ; \ The water fell from ( ( ` ) ) - ~-. \ its muscular bulk ( ( ( \ ( ( ( ) ~-. ( in twisting curtains ( ) ) ) ) ) ( ~\ turning the once quiet ) ; ( ( ( \ ) \ lake into a ( ; | ) ) ; . \ boiling riot ; ; \_ ( ( ( \ of angry foam." ; ; ; ~- . _ \ \~ .) ; ; ; ; \ \ ) ; ; : ; ; \ ) ; : : ; ; ) ; ; : : ; : : ; : ; ; ; : : : ; : ; ; : : ; ;; ; ; : ; : ; ;; ; ; ;; ; ; ; ;; ; ;; ; ; ; ;; ; ;; ; ; ; ; ; ;; ; ; ; ;; ; ; ;; ; ; ;; ; ; ;; ; ; ; ; ; ; ' ; ; ||| |||| % % ; |||||| |||||| % %% ` ` ` ` ` ; |||||| |||/ ||| % % ` ` ; || I | | |/ | | | %% ` ` ; | I | / | | % ` ` ; I / | % ` ; II / % ` @ II/$ % % ` @ $$ $ '' ` ` @@ $$$ $$$ . ', ',, . ` @@@@ $$ $ . .:>}}Y{{<:. .' : ` @@@@@@ $$ ' .'. ''W' ' .' . % %% .'; ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^/\/^^^^/\/\^^ % % % .'; " % .'; %% % %.',.'.`'/\/\/^^^/\/^^^/\/^ /\/\/\/\/\ /\|%%%.',.'.`% % %.',.'.`% % % %% % ' /\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\ /\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\ -cfbd- /\ Finito,
Martin DiViaio wrote: > > Pete Casso wrote: > > > > Gee, Colin's flames are getting more and more incomprehensible. Read > > a good book on copyright law, fair use, etc. You will see that what > > I was saying is nothing new. > > Ummm, isn't this an international newsgroup and aren't copyright laws > in different countries slightly different? Yep! In fact I just recently read that the US doesn't have copyright protection for typeface designs. However, under the copyright convention (I keep forgetting whether it was Berne or Geneva?) they have to respect the copyright laws of other nations that *do*. Laws can be very weird sometimes :) --Muke! -- .signature file not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) http://mc11a.southern.edu/ ICQ:1936556 mailto:rea...@bigfoot.com http://welcome.to/alt.binaries.games.creatures -Visit the abgc archive!
Gee, Colin's flames are getting more and more incomprehensible. Read a good book on copyright law, fair use, etc. You will see that what I was saying is nothing new. ========================================================= [] .oo Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! [] [] ( -) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] " " Frogstein, who has a point behind his eyes [] =========================================================
Pete Casso wrote: > > Gee, Colin's flames are getting more and more incomprehensible. Read a good > book on copyright law, fair use, etc. You will see that what I was saying is > nothing new. > Ummm, isn't this an international newsgroup and aren't copyright laws in different countries slightly different? -- /)-._ | It may be better to be a live jackal than Y. ' _] | a dead lion, but it is better still to be ,.._ |`--"= | a live lion. And usually easier / "-/ `.\ | /) sk | |_ `\|___ | - Lazarus Long, A fictional character \:::::::\___/_\__\_______\ | created by Robert Heinlein
Martin DiViaio wrote: > Ummm, isn't this an international newsgroup and aren't copyright laws in > different countries slightly different? The details are different, the fundamentals are the same. But the point is a little different: there is a need to be explicit in stating copyrights for ascii pics. The outside world doesn't understand initials, the most recent case in point is that someone stole someone else's portrait. ========================================================= [] .oo Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! [] [] ( -) http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ [] [] " " Frogstein, who has a point behind his eyes [] =========================================================
.----- On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:12:20 GMT, Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> posted: |Several 'stein emulators have produced Figlet Frogsteins, the first one that I |am aware of was sgt pinback. But also Philip Powell, Lester - AMC, Johan de |Koning and others, have produced Figlet Frogsteins. | |I have diddled a couple of Figlet Frogstein versions, one which corresponds to |a line/outline style and one which corresponds to a solid style. Hope you like it! | | ___ ___ | / _ \ / _ \ | _ | (_) || (_) | | _ (_) \___/ \___/ _ | / / \ \ | | | _____ | | .oo | | | |_____| | | ( -) | | | | | " " | \_\ _ _ _ _ /_/ Frogstein by Pete Casso | | || | | || | | |_||_| |_||_| |Figlet Frogstein by Lester - AMC and Pete Casso | | | 1111 1111 | 11 11 11 11 | 111 11 11 11 11 | 111 1111 1111 | 11 11 | 11 11 .oo | 11 11111 11 ( -) | 11 11 " " | 11 11 Frogstein by Pete Casso | 11 11 11 11 | 11 11 11 11 |Figlet Frogstein by Johan de Koning and Pete Casso | '----------------------------- /"\/"\ o\_/\_/ / _\ \ / | | | | Font: mga2lind.flf :o) |\/| _..__|_o._ /\_|_| o._ _ mart.atkins@-- | |(_|| |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_> --bigfoot.com
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