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How about some Bin Laden ascii pics?
alt.ascii-art
· 27 messages · 14 Sep 2001 - 1 Oct 2001
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:55:38 GMT, Grey Goonsmith <job...@shabadoo.org> wrote: > How about some pics showing the American spirit right now? > > iMMM@BB000BBBBBBBBBBB0BBBB0B0BB00BB0BBB0BBBBBBBBB0BBBB00BBB0BB0B00BBB > i ;,M@BBBBBBWWWWWWWWBBBBBBBWBBWWBBBBBBBBWWWBBWWBWWWWBWBBBBWWWWBBBBBBB > 7iX 8M0BBBMMMMMMMMMMMM@MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBB > i7r:XMBBBBM WE'RE COMING MOTHERFUCKERS W0BB > aZ8XrM000BMaMM20MMMXZMXMW8MMMMM0Ma7MB@MaM@MMM80MMWM@ZMXMMBSWMMB0aWBBB > 2SX;rM00B0W@@MMM@@MM@@@@@@@@@W@@MM@@@@MM@WWW@MM@@WW@MM@@@MMMMM@MWB00B > 72SrrM0BB000B00B0BBBB0B0BBBB00BB0BBBBBB000B00B0000BBB0BBBB0BB0BBBB00B [statue of Liberty snipped] If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting a war. -- Harry Mason ("hjm200.ecs@soton@ac@uk" =~ tr/@./.@/)
On 14 Sep 2001 09:41:38 GMT, spa...@no.spam (Harry Mason) enlightened us with: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:55:38 GMT, Grey Goonsmith <job...@shabadoo.org> wrote: > > How about some pics showing the American spirit right now? > > > > iMMM@BB000BBBBBBBBBBB0BBBB0B0BB00BB0BBB0BBBBBBBBB0BBBB00BBB0BB0B00BBB > > i ;,M@BBBBBBWWWWWWWWBBBBBBBWBBWWBBBBBBBBWWWBBWWBWWWWBWBBBBWWWWBBBBBBB > > 7iX 8M0BBBMMMMMMMMMMMM@MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBB > > i7r:XMBBBBM WE'RE COMING MOTHERFUCKERS W0BB > > aZ8XrM000BMaMM20MMMXZMXMW8MMMMM0Ma7MB@MaM@MMM80MMWM@ZMXMMBSWMMB0aWBBB > > 2SX;rM00B0W@@MMM@@MM@@@@@@@@@W@@MM@@@@MM@WWW@MM@@WW@MM@@@MMMMM@MWB00B > > 72SrrM0BB000B00B0BBBB0B0BBBB00BB0BBBBBB000B00B0000BBB0BBBB0BB0BBBB00B > > [statue of Liberty snipped] > > If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I > don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting > a war. I'd agree - a lot of what I have heard does scare me, as what you've got to remember is that the number of terrorists involved will be far less than the number of people killed, and any "war" will only lead to more innocent deaths, which is exactly what the terrorists wanted. -- o |\ _[] L_ === Stuart Moore []\, stm
Harry Mason <spa...@no.spam> wrote: : On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:55:38 GMT, Grey Goonsmith <job...@shabadoo.org> wrote: :> How about some pics showing the American spirit right now? :> :> iMMM@BB000BBBBBBBBBBB0BBBB0B0BB00BB0BBB0BBBBBBBBB0BBBB00BBB0BB0B00BBB :> i ;,M@BBBBBBWWWWWWWWBBBBBBBWBBWWBBBBBBBBWWWBBWWBWWWWBWBBBBWWWWBBBBBBB :> 7iX 8M0BBBMMMMMMMMMMMM@MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBB :> i7r:XMBBBBM WE'RE COMING MOTHERFUCKERS W0BB :> aZ8XrM000BMaMM20MMMXZMXMW8MMMMM0Ma7MB@MaM@MMM80MMWM@ZMXMMBSWMMB0aWBBB :> 2SX;rM00B0W@@MMM@@MM@@@@@@@@@W@@MM@@@@MM@WWW@MM@@WW@MM@@@MMMMM@MWB00B :> 72SrrM0BB000B00B0BBBB0B0BBBB00BB0BBBBBB000B00B0000BBB0BBBB0BB0BBBB00B : [statue of Liberty snipped] : If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I : don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting : a war. They've been always at war with someone since WW2.
I always thought it was 'bin Laden' not 'Bin Laden'.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:53:40 +0100, "Tommy"
<tot...@why.are.you.reading.this.com> wrote:
> I always thought it was 'bin Laden' not 'Bin Laden'.
Take your pick. Or bin Ladin.
If you want to nitpick, the most correct way to spell it is with Arabic
script.
(A bit like Qaddafi/Ghaddafi/Khaddafi/Kazzafi/...)
Cheers,
Philip
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That really is my address; no need to remove anything to reply.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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On 14 Sep 2001 09:41:38 GMT, spa...@no.spam (Harry Mason) wrote: >If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I >don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting >a war. > >-- >Harry Mason ("hjm200.ecs@soton@ac@uk" =~ tr/@./.@/) hmm well, where as I am not into death destruction or war, I do wonder how you would take it if it were Big Ben, or perhaps the Queens residence, how about the House of Lords? I do think you are being unfair to the American People. The Americans did not start it, The Americans didnt just destroy thousands of unsuspecting people in three buildings and four Commercial airplanes. Nor did the Americans dance in the streets afterward and pass out candy, burn flags, and cry out that god must love the ones who did it because they succeeded. But of COURSE its the Americans fault. I suppose the world (Americans included) should just shake their collective heads and say what a shame it is, and let terrorist continue wrecking havok world wide every time they don't like the way their life is going, hey, I'm not very happy today, maybe I should come over and set off a bomb at your house to show the world how truely unhappy I am. Why should it matter that you died when I am unhappy? Who should try and stop me? What makes you so sure the Americans are looking to have a war, what utter nonsense. If its your country under attack, maybe you feel that America should just sit back and do nothing, let your people die, familys be destroyed for some idiological difference, or economicly disenfranchised power monger's ploy, or some pointless reason like you might have more gold and some fuck really fancys gold, decideds to kill you off to get yours. Perhaps a better reason wuld be because you are a Catholic, and they are not, good reason to kill you and i'm SURE the rest of the world will understand how important it is to them that all Catholics (or Protestants, or NON ISLAMICS) perish for having the audacity to breathe. Terrorist started, and have perpetuated attacks against _all_ countries when it suits them, its an ego thing for them to hit a big country, makes up for their immasculation by mommy I suspect. Should _any_ country have to sit by and accept random attacks from foriegners just because the foriegners are smaller? Should _ANY_ People be shackeled because they are more capable in any way than YOU? I think you are short sighted and totally wrong to say that America started it. You are totally wrong to think that AmericanS want a war. America is not willing to let their Fathers, Mothers, Daughters, Sons, and Grandchildren die in a pointless cowardly way without holding those who have done the act, and those who help them promote the acts against _Humanity_. If you so choose to sit back and hide your head in the sand because stopping terrorism isnt easy, pretty, or clean then you go right ahead and put your head on the block when they come round looking for a victim to demonstrate just how unhappy they are that they arent the richest most powerful demigods on the PLANET. Michael J. Penick -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: >On 14 Sep 2001 09:41:38 GMT, spa...@no.spam (Harry Mason) wrote: > > >>If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I >>don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting >>a war. >> >>-- >>Harry Mason ("hjm200.ecs@soton@ac@uk" =~ tr/@./.@/) > > >hmm well, where as I am not into death destruction or war, I do wonder how >you would take it if it were Big Ben, or perhaps the Queens residence, how >about the House of Lords? I do think you are being unfair to the American People. >The Americans did not start it, The Americans didnt just destroy thousands of >unsuspecting people in three buildings and four Commercial airplanes. Nor did >the Americans dance in the streets afterward and pass out candy, burn flags, and >cry out that god must love the ones who did it because they succeeded. But of >COURSE its the Americans fault. I suppose the world (Americans included) should >just shake their collective heads and say what a shame it is, and let terrorist >continue wrecking havok world wide every time they don't like the way their life >is going, hey, I'm not very happy today, maybe I should come over and set off >a bomb at your house to show the world how truely unhappy I am. Why should it >matter that you died when I am unhappy? Who should try and stop me? > What makes you so sure the Americans are looking to have a war, what utter >nonsense. If its your country under attack, maybe you feel that America should >just sit back and do nothing, let your people die, familys be destroyed for >some idiological difference, or economicly disenfranchised power monger's ploy, >or some pointless reason like you might have more gold and some fuck really >fancys gold, decideds to kill you off to get yours. Perhaps a better reason >wuld be because you are a Catholic, and they are not, good reason to kill you and >i'm SURE the rest of the world will understand how important it is to them that >all Catholics (or Protestants, or NON ISLAMICS) perish for having the audacity >to breathe. > > Terrorist started, and have perpetuated attacks against _all_ countries when >it suits them, its an ego thing for them to hit a big country, makes up for their >immasculation by mommy I suspect. Should _any_ country have to sit by and accept >random attacks from foriegners just because the foriegners are smaller? Should >_ANY_ People be shackeled because they are more capable in any way than YOU? > > I think you are short sighted and totally wrong to say that America started it. >You are totally wrong to think that AmericanS want a war. America is not willing >to let their Fathers, Mothers, Daughters, Sons, and Grandchildren die in a >pointless cowardly way without holding those who have done the act, and those who >help them promote the acts against _Humanity_. If you so choose to sit back and >hide your head in the sand because stopping terrorism isnt easy, pretty, or clean >then you go right ahead and put your head on the block when they come round looking >for a victim to demonstrate just how unhappy they are that they arent the richest >most powerful demigods on the PLANET. I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should we nuke the United States? -- Lemming Curiosity *may* have killed Schr�dinger's cat.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:57:49 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of >a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should >we nuke the United States? > >-- >Lemming > Do tell, how has The United Kingdom suffered at the hands of the USA? -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
On 15 Sep 2001 04:01:00 GMT, mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: >On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:57:49 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >>I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of >>a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should >>we nuke the United States? >> >>-- >>Lemming >> > > Do tell, how has The United Kingdom suffered at the hands of the USA? >-- Ok, while I wait for your reply (And I do appologise for these rather off-topic-nonASCII posts, but this seems to be a current and rather international topic) I will post an opinion of a fellow British Subject who does not share your opinion of America, and Americans. I have received several copies of this via e-mail so some of you may have already seen it. begin quoted e-mail: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon! - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! end quoted e-mail -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
On 15 Sep 2001 04:37:43 GMT, mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) tried to confuse everyone with this message: >begin quoted e-mail: > >A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES >This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > >America: The Good Neighbor. > >Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable >editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television >commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as >printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to >speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least >appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser >extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the >Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in >debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its >remaining debts to the United States. > >When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who >propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the >streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > >When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in >to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > >Nobody helped. > >The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into >discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about >the decadent, warmongering Americans. > >I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the >erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other >country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the >Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? > >Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why >does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the >moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk >about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. > >You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon! - not >once, but several times - and safely home again. > >You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store >window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued >and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they >are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at >home to spend here. > >When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through >age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad >and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. > >Both are still broke. > >I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other >people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to >the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during >the San Francisco earthquake. > >Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired >of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with >their flag high. > >And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that >are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of >those." > >Stand proud, America! > >end quoted e-mail Great thing! -- Grue <grue sobaka mail.ru> http://bugsoft.freeservers.com We have the black blot on the white plane. Every dot is added to the blot if the black area of its neighborhood (radius 1) is more than white area and removed if the white area is larger. Is this possible that blot's area will be 1000 times more than initial area?
--(Once apon a time, in alt.ascii-art,)--
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<snip many good things about American generosity and vison>
I would like to compile a 2 lists.
First one of all the good things America has done for the world.
Second one of all the bad things America has done for the world.
I know that even when you include things like The Cold War that one
list will be much longer than the other and America will still come
out smelling like peaches.
It seems thow that I have seen lots of forgen people come out in
suport of "all the good things" but that so far they all seem to be
Canadian.
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mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: >On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:57:49 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >>I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of >>a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should >>we nuke the United States? >> >>-- >>Lemming >> > > Do tell, how has The United Kingdom suffered at the hands of the USA? Ever heard of noraid? -- Lemming Curiosity *may* have killed Schr�dinger's cat.
He may have been referring to the IRA, I can't think of any other terrorists that regularly attack our territory. I could, of course, be wrong. 'Lemming' will have to reply to confirm or deny this. Andrew > "MJP" <mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net> wrote in > message news:3ba...@news.concentric.net... > > Do tell, how has The United Kingdom suffered at the hands of the USA? > > > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:57:49 +0100, Lemming > > <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of > > a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should > > we nuke the United States?
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:23:35 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Ever heard of noraid? > >-- >Lemming > Nope, and since it isn't an American orginization, I am not too surprised that I hadn't heard of them (it). online search revealed little, but here is what it found: Noraid Irish Americans working for a United and Free Northern Ireland http://www.noraid.com Irish Northern Aid Committee Noraid helps the families of republican paramilitary prisoners in Ireland, and works for It has not been updated much following the release of most paramilitary prisoners under the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement. http://www.inac.org < end of pertinent results> I do not claim that they are not citizens of the USA, as I dont know if they are or not, my guess is they are Irish, and Irish decent people in this orginization. By saying that because they live in the USA that ALL people living in the USA are part and party to their giving finacial aid to families in Northern Ireland, or saying that the Government of the United States is supporting the Northern Ireland People against the Rest of the United Kingdom. That is most assuredly not the case. If you have suffered, I am sorry that you suffer. If you have lost a loved one to an act of terror, I am sorry you have lost. If you choose to blame people, nations, that are not, and did not cause this suffering, I can not abide your choice as it is not rational or realistic. I can only hope that someday you can come to terms with your loss, as those familys and friends of the people who have died in this terrible act committed at the WORLD Trade Center or ANY terrible event may someday, hopefully, find peace. If you choose to stand up to all people in Ireland that are fueling the hate mongering, and you choose to try and work toward a lasting peace on that land between the North and South, between the Catholic and the Protestant, then I would not only salute you, I would Support you in the effort to bring peace among the peoples of that, or any land. -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
MJP wrote: > By saying that because they live in the > USA that ALL people living in the USA are part and party to their > giving finacial aid to families in Northern Ireland, or saying that > the Government of the United States is supporting the Northern Ireland > People against the Rest of the United Kingdom. That is most assuredly > not the case. Lemming did not say that, your President did, more or less. (swap USA -> Afghanistan, IRA -> bin Laden). ObAscii: _______________________________________________ ()______________________________________________) | | | | | United States | | ________________._____ | | /` ^-. _,. | | | \_.-"� _\ | | | _/ | | ( <� | | \ \ | | \_ / | | `-...--_ _ ____ (� | | \ _ / `-` \\ | | ` \_ ( \\ | | `� ` | | __ | | `-` | |______________________________________________| | o KPB /Magnus
On 15 Sep 2001 02:24:23 GMT, MJP <mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net> wrote: > On 14 Sep 2001 09:41:38 GMT, spa...@no.spam (Harry Mason) wrote: > >If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I > >don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting > >a war. > hmm well, where as I am not into death destruction or war, I do wonder how > you would take it if it were Big Ben, or perhaps the Queens residence, how > about the House of Lords? I do think you are being unfair to the American > People. [snip] That was flamebait, wasn't it. My apologies. Having seen polls on American news sites, and read the comments on Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/) there were a lot of people saying 'lets annihilate whoever did this'. Admittedly I was reading just after news of the disaster was announced, but if that is representative of the mood of the American population, it will be bad for the country in the long run. My point was that if public pressure causes the USA to rush into retaliation, it will almost certainly start a full scale war. I hope that by now people have had time to get over their shock and consider the situation rationally. -- Harry Mason ("hjm200.ecs@soton@ac@uk" =~ tr/@./.@/)
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:50:38 GMT, Magnus Wibeck <mag...@telia.com> wrote: > >Lemming did not say that, your President did, more or less. >(swap USA -> Afghanistan, IRA -> bin Laden). > > >/Magnus Less, he has not said all the people in the country, he has made that clear. He has made it clear that he is referring to the government, and its agencies (read that as the military of that/those governments) And the USA doesn't support the IRA. The people of Ireland do. -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: >On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:50:38 GMT, Magnus Wibeck <mag...@telia.com> wrote: > >> >>Lemming did not say that, your President did, more or less. >>(swap USA -> Afghanistan, IRA -> bin Laden). >> >> >>/Magnus > > Less, he has not said all the people in the country, he has made that clear. >He has made it clear that he is referring to the government, and its agencies >(read that as the military of that/those governments) At no point did I mention the US government. Do not put words into my mouth. >And the USA doesn't support the IRA. The people of Ireland do. The IRA seek funding from many sources. Among those sources of funds are the American people and American business. Noraid are an American organisation, dedicated to raising funds for Irish Republican terrorists. http://www.megastories.com/ireland/glossary2/noraid.htm http://members.tripod.co.uk/NoraidWatch/ Read their own words: http://inac.org/home.html I wish it wasn't so, but sadly, it is the truth. Maybe after last Tuesday's tragedy, Americans who formerly supported these terrorists will stop doing so. -- Lemming Curiosity *may* have killed Schr�dinger's cat.
> By saying that because they live in the > USA that ALL people living in the USA are part and party to their > giving finacial aid to families in Northern Ireland, or saying that > the Government of the United States is supporting the Northern Ireland > People against the Rest of the United Kingdom. That is most assuredly > not the case. Lemming did not say that, your President did, more or less. (swap USA -> Afghanistan, IRA -> bin Laden). <picture snipped> /Magnus > >Lemming did not say that, your President did, more or less. >(swap USA -> Afghanistan, IRA -> bin Laden). > > >/Magnus .------------------------------. \|/ | Less, he has not said all the people in the country, he has made that clear. | He has made it clear that he is referring to the government, and its agencies | (read that as the military of that/those governments) | <for clarity, I was refering to the President of the United States, NOT Lemming>---' And the USA doesn't support the IRA. The people of Ireland do. >At no point did I mention the US government. Do not put words into my >mouth. > < I didn't, see above clarification> >The IRA seek funding from many sources. Among those sources of funds >are the American people and American business. > >Noraid are an American organisation, dedicated to raising funds for >Irish Republican terrorists. > >http://www.megastories.com/ireland/glossary2/noraid.htm > >http://members.tripod.co.uk/NoraidWatch/ > >Read their own words: http://inac.org/home.html > >I wish it wasn't so, but sadly, it is the truth. Maybe after last >Tuesday's tragedy, Americans who formerly supported these terrorists >will stop doing so. > >-- >Lemming Im sure the lives of people all over are lost to terrorist acts, not just the USA, its agencies abroad or the Irish people. you did say this however: >>I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of >>a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should >>we nuke the United States? >> >>-- >>Lemming Where did you get the opinion that the USA was going to nuke bin Laden, or Afghanistan? The idea that we will detonate a nuclear device on any country to get at a handful of people is without merit. The terrible destruction to life, all life, not only terrorists, the Taliban militia, civilians at the mercy of the those who run their country, but all the animals plants and insects, the mutilation of life that isnt killed outright and the mutation of life for many generations afterward, in Afghanistan and a long Long way downwind, makes your words nothing more than flame-bait. Since you live in a country that is (relatively) free, you can enjoy your hate for America, and Americans, even the ones who refuse to believe whatever sales pitch the "noraid" organization uses to convince big hearted people to give them money. I do not believe the IRA gets all its funds from people in the USA, perhaps you have other countries on your hate list that you would like to lash out at, or do you only kick at people when they are already down? Frankly I have lost interest in this discourse, you are unlikely to change your opinion from anything I have to say, factual or otherwise. ObASCII: +----------------------------------------+ | ____ | | .-'"" _ ""`-. | | .-�. ( '.' ) . ( `-. | | ,�'.' '.'. .'.' '.'. .`. | | ,�' (_.'._) ' (_.'._) ' (_`. | | /_ _ _ _ _ _ \ | | /( '.' ) . ( '.' ) . ( '.' ) . \ | | ;'.'. ___' '.'. .'.' '.'. ___' '.: | | :._) / )____ ' (_.'____( \'._: | | |___/ ____) _ (____ \__| | | : ____)' )(____ : | | :____ ____) .'.'(____ ___; | | \_) \______)) ' (_.'.(______/'./ | | \_ _ _ _ _ _ / | | `..' ) . ( '.' ) . ( '.' ),� | | \.'.' '.'. .'.' '.'. .,� | | `-.'._) ' (_.'._),-� | | `-.,,____,,.-' | +----------------------------------------+ Peace -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: >ObASCII: >+----------------------------------------+ >| ____ | >| .-'"" _ ""`-. | >| .-�. ( '.' ) . ( `-. | >| ,�'.' '.'. .'.' '.'. .`. | >| ,�' (_.'._) ' (_.'._) ' (_`. | >| /_ _ _ _ _ _ \ | >| /( '.' ) . ( '.' ) . ( '.' ) . \ | >| ;'.'. ___' '.'. .'.' '.'. ___' '.: | >| :._) / )____ ' (_.'____( \'._: | >| |___/ ____) _ (____ \__| | >| : ____)' )(____ : | >| :____ ____) .'.'(____ ___; | >| \_) \______)) ' (_.'.(______/'./ | >| \_ _ _ _ _ _ / | >| `..' ) . ( '.' ) . ( '.' ),� | >| \.'.' '.'. .'.' '.'. .,� | >| `-.'._) ' (_.'._),-� | >| `-.,,____,,.-' | >+----------------------------------------+ >Peace Mike, I was out of order. I allowed my emotions to rule my head, and I behaved like an insensitive arse-hole, without consideration for your or anyone else's feelings. I hope you will accept my sincere apology, although I completely understand if you do not. -- Lemming Curiosity *may* have killed Schr�dinger's cat.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:46:57 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Mike, > >I was out of order. I allowed my emotions to rule my head, and I >behaved like an insensitive arse-hole, without consideration for your >or anyone else's feelings. I hope you will accept my sincere apology, >although I completely understand if you do not. > >-- >Lemming s'ok, people sometimes say things in a way that they don't intend l8r -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
MJP wrote: > On 14 Sep 2001 09:41:38 GMT, spa...@no.spam (Harry Mason) wrote: > > >If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I > >don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting > >a war. > > > >-- > >Harry Mason ("hjm200.ecs@soton@ac@uk" =~ tr/@./.@/) > > hmm well, where as I am not into death destruction or war, I do wonder how > you would take it if it were Big Ben, or perhaps the Queens residence, how > about the House of Lords? So basically you're saying your reaction is purely emotional and based on no rationale of any kind. > I do think you are being unfair to the American People. > The Americans did not start it, The Americans didnt just destroy thousands of > unsuspecting people in three buildings and four Commercial airplanes. Nor did > the Americans dance in the streets afterward and pass out candy, burn flags, and > cry out that god must love the ones who did it because they succeeded. The video clips shown on TV hours after the bombing were discovered to have been footage from 1991. Between the time of the crash and the television of the footage, it was the middle of the night in the Middle East. > But of > COURSE its the Americans fault. Well you've got somewhat of a point there. Go around attacking everyone you feel like and you'll get hit back eventually. Like if you were to go to the bar and beat up little guys every night, eventually you'd get jumped in an alley. Whether anyone deserves to be hurt or killed, the answer is definitely no. And that's why starting a war would be the stupidest thing possible. > I suppose the world (Americans included) should > just shake their collective heads and say what a shame it is, and let terrorist > continue wrecking havok world wide every time they don't like the way their life > is going, hey, I'm not very happy today, maybe I should come over and set off > a bomb at your house to show the world how truely unhappy I am. Why should it > matter that you died when I am unhappy? Who should try and stop me? Well that all depends. Have you posted soldiers around that person's house for the last 20 years? And have you bombed their house and the houses of their neighbours? And do you refuse to give financial aid to their neighbourhood even though it was you who devastated it with war? The United States is not a neighbourhood. If it were, your house would look the same as the rich people's houses. > > What makes you so sure the Americans are looking to have a war, what utter > nonsense. If its your country under attack, maybe you feel that America should > just sit back and do nothing, let your people die, familys be destroyed for > some idiological difference, or economicly disenfranchised power monger's ploy, > or some pointless reason like you might have more gold and some fuck really > fancys gold, decideds to kill you off to get yours. Perhaps a better reason > wuld be because you are a Catholic, and they are not, good reason to kill you and > i'm SURE the rest of the world will understand how important it is to them that > all Catholics (or Protestants, or NON ISLAMICS) perish for having the audacity > to breathe. The only religious bigotry I'm hearing right now is that you think the Islamic people should be wiped out. > > Terrorist started, and have perpetuated attacks against _all_ countries when > it suits them Why does it suit them? I think you need to take a bit motor time to consider that. > , its an ego thing for them to hit a big country, makes up for their > immasculation by mommy I suspect. Should _any_ country have to sit by and accept > random attacks from foriegners just because the foriegners are smaller? Should > _ANY_ People be shackeled because they are more capable in any way than YOU? > > I think you are short sighted and totally wrong to say that America started it. > You are totally wrong to think that AmericanS want a war. America is not willing > to let their Fathers, Mothers, Daughters, Sons, and Grandchildren die in a > pointless cowardly way without holding those who have done the act, and those who > help them promote the acts against _Humanity_. If you so choose to sit back and > hide your head in the sand because stopping terrorism isnt easy, pretty, or clean > then you go right ahead and put your head on the block when they come round looking > for a victim to demonstrate just how unhappy they are that they arent the richest > most powerful demigods on the PLANET. The point of your post is to JUSTIFY war! Man, what are you talking about? I read this whole fucking thing just to hear you back-pedal? I think you've been watching too much CNN. Your message is so convoluted that I doubt that even you understand what you are trying to say. Thanks for wasting my time with some extremely poorly thought-out and irrelevant nonsense.
Lemming wrote: > mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: > > >On 14 Sep 2001 09:41:38 GMT, spa...@no.spam (Harry Mason) wrote: > > > > > >>If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I > >>don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting > >>a war. > >> > >>-- > >>Harry Mason ("hjm200.ecs@soton@ac@uk" =~ tr/@./.@/) > > > > > >hmm well, where as I am not into death destruction or war, I do wonder how > >you would take it if it were Big Ben, or perhaps the Queens residence, how > >about the House of Lords? I do think you are being unfair to the American People. > >The Americans did not start it, The Americans didnt just destroy thousands of > >unsuspecting people in three buildings and four Commercial airplanes. Nor did > >the Americans dance in the streets afterward and pass out candy, burn flags, and > >cry out that god must love the ones who did it because they succeeded. But of > >COURSE its the Americans fault. I suppose the world (Americans included) should > >just shake their collective heads and say what a shame it is, and let terrorist > >continue wrecking havok world wide every time they don't like the way their life > >is going, hey, I'm not very happy today, maybe I should come over and set off > >a bomb at your house to show the world how truely unhappy I am. Why should it > >matter that you died when I am unhappy? Who should try and stop me? > > What makes you so sure the Americans are looking to have a war, what utter > >nonsense. If its your country under attack, maybe you feel that America should > >just sit back and do nothing, let your people die, familys be destroyed for > >some idiological difference, or economicly disenfranchised power monger's ploy, > >or some pointless reason like you might have more gold and some fuck really > >fancys gold, decideds to kill you off to get yours. Perhaps a better reason > >wuld be because you are a Catholic, and they are not, good reason to kill you and > >i'm SURE the rest of the world will understand how important it is to them that > >all Catholics (or Protestants, or NON ISLAMICS) perish for having the audacity > >to breathe. > > > > Terrorist started, and have perpetuated attacks against _all_ countries when > >it suits them, its an ego thing for them to hit a big country, makes up for their > >immasculation by mommy I suspect. Should _any_ country have to sit by and accept > >random attacks from foriegners just because the foriegners are smaller? Should > >_ANY_ People be shackeled because they are more capable in any way than YOU? > > > > I think you are short sighted and totally wrong to say that America started it. > >You are totally wrong to think that AmericanS want a war. America is not willing > >to let their Fathers, Mothers, Daughters, Sons, and Grandchildren die in a > >pointless cowardly way without holding those who have done the act, and those who > >help them promote the acts against _Humanity_. If you so choose to sit back and > >hide your head in the sand because stopping terrorism isnt easy, pretty, or clean > >then you go right ahead and put your head on the block when they come round looking > >for a victim to demonstrate just how unhappy they are that they arent the richest > >most powerful demigods on the PLANET. > > I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of > a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should > we nuke the United States? > Hmm, let's think it over for awhile, but if the United States has a good case for it then maybe you do too. > > -- > Lemming > > Curiosity *may* have killed Schr�dinger's cat.
MJP wrote: > On 15 Sep 2001 04:01:00 GMT, mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net (MJP) wrote: > > >On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:57:49 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >> > >>I live in a country which has suffered for many years at the hands of > >>a terrorist group who are funded mostly by Americans. Tell me, should > >>we nuke the United States? > >> > >>-- > >>Lemming > >> > > > > Do tell, how has The United Kingdom suffered at the hands of the USA? > >-- > > Ok, while I wait for your reply (And I do appologise for these rather > off-topic-nonASCII posts, but this seems to be a current and rather > international topic) I will post an opinion of a fellow British Subject > who does not share your opinion of America, and Americans. I have received > several copies of this via e-mail so some of you may have already seen it. > > begin quoted e-mail: > > A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable > editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as > printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to > speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least > appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser > extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the > Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in > debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its > remaining debts to the United States. > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in > to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > > Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into > discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about > the decadent, warmongering Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? > > Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why > does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the > moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk > about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. > > You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon! - not > once, but several times - and safely home again. > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued > and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they > are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at > home to spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. > > Both are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during > the San Francisco earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired > of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > their flag high. > > And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that > are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of > those." > > Stand proud, America! Is it any surprise that they are only posting pro-capitalist letters in the newspaper? After all, the newspaper is a corporate entity, funded by corporate ads. And it has been my finding that if you get 100 letters, at least one of them will be what you are looking for.
> Harry Mason <spa...@no.spam> wrote: > If that's the American spirit then I'm proud to be British. Personally I > don't enjoy the prospect of the most powerful country on Earth starting > a war. While political discussion is probably inapropriate to this newsgroup, might I point out that responding to a sneak attack that killed thousands hardly constitutes "starting" a war. -- Sam Saal ssa...@sonic.net Vayiphtach HaShem et Pea haAtone http://www.politicsnow.co.il/realpic.html remove NOSPAM to reply
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