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alt.ascii-art · 14 messages · 29 Oct 2000 - 1 Nov 2000
Fulgore <ful...@mindspring.com> ASCII art 29 Oct 2000 21:35 · permalink · report
In the spirit of the upcoming Pt 100 of Red Baron, I got to doing a bit
of HTML art.

Simply paste this code on your website:

<tt>

&nbsp________________________<br>
|&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp__&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp/&nbsp|<br>
|
('__`>&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp/&nbsp&nbsp|<br>
|&nbsp/=(^^)&nbsp&nbsp<a
href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/">RED</a>&nbsp<a
href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/">BARON</a>&nbsp&nbsp/&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp|<br>
|&nbsp`\_-/&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp/NOW!|<br>
'OOL---------------'-----'

And it will end up looking like this:

 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`>              /  |
| /=(^^)  RED BARON  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'

With "Red" and "Baron" as hyperlinks. Spiffy, eh?


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In article <39F...@mindspring.com>, Fulgore <ful...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> In the spirit of the upcoming Pt 100 of Red Baron, I got to doing a bit
> of HTML art.
> 
> Simply paste this code on your website:
> 
> <tt>
> 
> &nbsp________________________<br>
> |&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp__&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp
[snip of awkward ascii-art coding using <tt>]
> 
> And it will end up looking like this:
> 
>  ________________________
> |   __                 / |
> | ('__`>              /  |
> | /=(^^)  RED BARON  /   |
> | `\_-/             /NOW!|
> 'OOL---------------'-----'
> 
> With "Red" and "Baron" as hyperlinks. Spiffy, eh?

Ummmm, wouldn't it be simpler to use <pre>?

(copy between the dotted lines)
...........................................
<pre>
 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`&#062;              /  |
| /=(^^)  <a
href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/">RED BARON</a>  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'
</pre>
...........................................


and if you wanted to have the "RED BARON" link in red, you could do this:
(copy between the dotted lines)

...........................................
<pre>
 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`&#062;              /  |
| /=(^^)  <a href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#ff0000; textdecoration:none">RED BARON</a>  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'

</pre>
..................................

You would, of course, change the hexidecimal number of the background
colour to match that of your own background colour....

Both of those will end up looking like this:

 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`>              /  |
| /=(^^)  RED BARON  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'

(I hope that didn't wrap....)



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are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent";
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llizard wrote:
> 
[snip]
> (I hope that didn't wrap....)

Grrrrrr.... I'll try that again...


Wouldn't it be simpler to use <pre>?

(copy between the dotted lines)
...........................................
<pre>
 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`&#062;              /  |
| /=(^^)  <a
href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/">RED BARON</a>  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'
</pre>
...........................................


and if you wanted to have the "RED BARON" link in red, you could do this:
(copy between the dotted lines)

...........................................
<pre>
 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`&#062;              /  |
| /=(^^)  <a href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#ff0000; textdecoration:none">RED BARON</a>  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'

</pre>
..................................
NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you
are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
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Ool <ulr...@t-online.de> ASCII art 29 Oct 2000 22:46 · permalink · report
"Fulgore" <ful...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:39F...@mindspring.com...

> In the spirit of the upcoming Pt 100 of Red Baron, I got to doing a bit
> of HTML art.
>
> Simply paste this code on your website:

Thanks!  That's very good.  Bad code, though!

     ----8<---snip---8<----

<tt>
<nobr>

&nbsp;________________________
<br>
|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;__&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;/&nbsp;|
<br>
|&nbsp;('__`&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;/&nbsp;&nbsp;|
<br>
|&nbsp;/=(^^)&nbsp;&nbsp;<a
href="http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/">RED</a>&nbsp;<a
href=http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/>BARON</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;/&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|
<br>
|&nbsp;`\_-/&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;/NOW!|
<br>
'OOL---------------'-----'
<br>

</nobr>
</tt>

     ----8<---snip---8<----

It's "&nbsp;", ever since the days of HTML 1.0.  Browsers may inter-
pret "&nbsp" as a no-break space but they don't have to, because it's
not correct code.

Of course then one line became longer than what MSOE can swallow, so
I had to write the "<br>" tags into the next line.

You should close the tag, too.  I added the "</tt>", one "&nbsp;",
and it's always advisable to make ">" into "&gt;" within HTML code.

The "<nobr>" tag will keep the banner from getting jumbled if
squeezed into a browser window or a table that's too small for it.

> And it will end up looking like this:

It still does.  Thanks a lot!

>  ________________________
> |   __                 / |
> | ('__`>              /  |
> | /=(^^)  RED BARON  /   |
> | `\_-/             /NOW!|
> 'OOL---------------'-----'

> With "Red" and "Baron" as hyperlinks. Spiffy, eh?

Spiffy!  I am both touched and horrified!  If people start hotlinking
to my page I'm REALLY going to have to beef it up!  Not necessarily
the "redbaron/" folder, but its parent directory...  Add a navigatio-
nal page for the cartoons there, and for the few HTML pages.

Anybody can recommend some good HTML editors?  I'm hopelessly out of
the loop.  What do all those cartoonists on Keenspot use for THEIR
pages?  The ones with the little monthly calendar tables.


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//6(6; �OOL mm                                                  :^)^\\
`\_-/  http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron  \-_/'

llizard wrote:
> 
[snip]
> (I hope that didn't wrap....)

    \ \
  /| \ \ /`    /
 /_|  \_\| _  /_/ |
/  |      \_\/ /  |
              /   .      ... last time!!!!


Wouldn't it be simpler to use <pre>?

(copy between the dotted lines)
...........................................
<pre>
 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`&#062;              /  |
| /=(^^)  <a href="Ool's URL goes here">RED BARON</a>  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'
</pre>
...........................................

Ool's URL is:
http://home.t-online.de/home/ulrich.schreglmann/redbaron/

and if you wanted to have the "RED BARON" link in red, you would add 
style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#ff0000; textdecoration:none"
to the link to Ool's site

(copy between the dotted lines)

...........................................
<pre>
 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`&#062;              /  |
| /=(^^)  <a href="Ool's URL goes here" style="color:#ff0000">RED BARON</a>  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'

</pre>
..................................

to come out like this:

 ________________________
|   __                 / |
| ('__`>              /  |
| /=(^^)  RED BARON  /   |
| `\_-/             /NOW!|
'OOL---------------'-----'


Ool, your cartoons are just getting better and better! I particularly
liked the "this is your plane on trucks"

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Ool <ulr...@t-online.de> ASCII art 29 Oct 2000 23:04 · permalink · report
"llizard" <lli...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrote in message news:39F...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com...

> Ummmm, wouldn't it be simpler to use <pre>?

Yeah, but then you could recognize it in the source code already, and
that would be cheating!

You know why I didn't suggest "<pre>"?  Because I was convinced you
couldn't put hyperlinks into "<pre>" tags!  I really have to get back
into practicing HTML!

Thanks, Lllllliz!  Thanks Fulgore!


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Ool <ulr...@t-online.de> wrote:

> "Fulgore" <ful...@mindspring.com> wrote 
[snipped spiffy red baron banner]

> Anybody can recommend some good HTML editors?  I'm hopelessly out of
> the loop.  

oddly enough, i still find myself using photoshop and a good text old
text editor fairly often...  that would be bbedit on macintosh computers
[dunno about wintel machines]...

if you want a wysiwyg editor, dreamweaver is about as good as it gets,
and it seamlessly integrates bbedit to  ;] - note that there's a windoze
version of dreamweaver, prolly without bbedit though...

++ christoph ++
berlin, germany
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,-- zem...@usa.net (christoph manz) remarked: ---
|
| Ool <ulr...@t-online.de> wrote:
| 
| > "Fulgore" <ful...@mindspring.com> wrote 
| [snipped spiffy red baron banner]
| 
| > Anybody can recommend some good HTML editors?  I'm hopelessly out of
| > the loop.  
| 
| oddly enough, i still find myself using photoshop and a good text old
| text editor fairly often...  that would be bbedit on macintosh computers
| [dunno about wintel machines]...
| 
| if you want a wysiwyg editor, dreamweaver is about as good as it gets,
| and it seamlessly integrates bbedit to  ;] - note that there's a windoze
| version of dreamweaver, prolly without bbedit though...
| 
| ++ christoph ++
| berlin, germany
'---

I'd go for Hippie98 myself if you can find it - not quite so spectacular
but you get to know exactly what you're doing with the code...
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AxelP <axe...@t-online.de> 30 Oct 2000 17:37 · permalink · report
"christoph manz" <zem...@usa.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1ej...@usa.net...
> Ool <ulr...@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
> > "Fulgore" <ful...@mindspring.com> wrote 
> [snipped spiffy red baron banner]
> 
> > Anybody can recommend some good HTML editors?  I'm hopelessly out of
> > the loop.  
> 
 8< snip 8<
> if you want a wysiwyg editor, dreamweaver is about as good as it gets,
> and it seamlessly integrates bbedit to  ;] - note that there's a windoze
> version of dreamweaver, prolly without bbedit though...

Or, if you rather want complete control over your HTML-code, I'd recommend
the 'Phase 5' HTML-Editor by Ulli Meybohm (available at www.meybohm.de). 
It's fast, has a small footprint and (above all) it's freeware.

HTH, Axel.

We went to the moon as technicians, we returned as humanitarians.

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AxelP <axe...@t-online.de> ASCII art 30 Oct 2000 20:42 · permalink · report
"Ool" <ulr...@t-online.de> wrote in article news:8ti9f8$nn1$04$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> >  ________________________
> > |   __                 / |
> > | ('__`>              /  |
> > | /=(^^)  RED BARON  /   |
> > | `\_-/             /NOW!|
> > 'OOL---------------'-----'
>
> > With "Red" and "Baron" as hyperlinks. Spiffy, eh?
>
> Spiffy!  I am both touched and horrified!  If people start hotlinking
> to my page I'm REALLY going to have to beef it up!  Not necessarily
> the "redbaron/" folder, but its parent directory...  Add a navigatio-
> nal page for the cartoons there, and for the few HTML pages.


               __
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             Ci- ).
        To  provide  you
      with an  appropriate
    incentive for a redesign
      of your page, I just
      put a  link to  your
      Red Baron page on to
      my home page. Go to:

                ,
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               ) \
              /   )
             ( '_(
              `###home.t-online.de/~axel.pq/ascii
                "'


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"Ool" <ulr...@t-online.de> kirjutas teemal Re: Red Baron
Link Banner:

>"llizard" <lli...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrote in message news:39F...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com...
>
>> Ummmm, wouldn't it be simpler to use <pre>?

>You know why I didn't suggest "<pre>"?  Because I was convinced you
>couldn't put hyperlinks into "<pre>" tags!  I really have to get back
>into practicing HTML!

You can't, but that is only by standard, actually both IE & NS allow you
to do that. 
And I think w3c doesn't like the <pre> tag, so it is not implemented in
xhtml. 

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Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.invalid> ASCII art 31 Oct 2000 11:02 · permalink · report
In article <asm...@4ax.com>, Silver Saks aka Sulliwan Sucks wrote:
>"Ool" <ulr...@t-online.de> kirjutas teemal Re: Red Baron
>Link Banner:
>
>>You know why I didn't suggest "<pre>"?  Because I was convinced you
>>couldn't put hyperlinks into "<pre>" tags!  I really have to get back
>>into practicing HTML!
>
>You can't, but that is only by standard, actually both IE & NS allow you
>to do that. 

Nope, it's quite standard.  The list of tags which may not be used
within <pre> is specified in the HTML 4.01 DTD as:

  <!ENTITY % pre.exclusion "IMG|OBJECT|BIG|SMALL|SUB|SUP">

The standard also notes that this list has not changed since HTML 3.2.


>And I think w3c doesn't like the <pre> tag, so it is not implemented in
>xhtml. 

Where did you get that from?  Of course XHTML has <pre>.  In fact, it
pretty much has to have it because every _other_ way of marking up
preformatted text has been deprecated even before HTML3.

And it still can contain links.  Appendix B of the XHTML 1.0 standard,
which lists elements that are excluded within other elements, says:

  pre
        cannot contain the img, object, big, small, sub, or sup
        elements.

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Silver Saks aka Sulliwan Sucks wrote:
> "Ool" wrote:
> >You know why I didn't suggest "<pre>"?  Because I was convinced you
> >couldn't put hyperlinks into "<pre>" tags!  I really have to get back
> >into practicing HTML!
> 
> You can't, but that is only by standard, actually both IE & NS allow you
> to do that.
> And I think w3c doesn't like the <pre> tag, so it is not implemented in
> xhtml.

There are ways to find out, you know.

http://www.htmlhelp.org/tools/validator/direct.html

Add some code with <a> inside <pre> and hit the "Validate it!" button.

"Congratulations, no errors!"

And yes, that is a real HTML validator.


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Ool wrote:
> Anybody can recommend some good HTML editors? 

Emacs

> I'm hopelessly out of
> the loop.  What do all those cartoonists on Keenspot use for THEIR
> pages?  The ones with the little monthly calendar tables.

"Little calendar tables"? I have one of those, which I use for my advent
calendars, but it's very bad (i.e. I basically have to make a new one
each year...).


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