Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 4 Nov 2001.
Nerd Boy - Fan Art
alt.ascii-art
· 35 messages · 4 Nov 2001 - 13 Dec 2001
Hi there,
I am a great fan of Nerd boy!! I just could not resist to write a fan
episode. It does not come close to the original, but well, here it is:
*clickety*
*clackety*
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Hi Mandy. *click*
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*click*
What are you doing? *clickety*
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? Testing JavE.
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Hey cool, so you are
into Ascii Art, too? Nope.
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Ascii-Art sucks! Nobody
needs it. As for me I wish it never
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Sometimes a wish
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Wow, it's hard work writing cartoons...
Markus
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Later that day...
This tool still has a lot of bugs.
Someone should research that...
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"Markus Gebhard" <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote in message news:3BE...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... > Hi there, > > I am a great fan of Nerd boy!! I just could not resist to write a fan > episode. It does not come close to the original, but well, here it is: 8< Cool, I think you've managed to stay very close to the original style and still add your own stuff. :) I'm a great fan of JavE, so I guess to return the favour I'll have to learn Java and write some "fan features". :) > Wow, it's hard work writing cartoons... > Markus It can be, but it's also a lot of fun. I've found that I can sit for several hours working on a strip; time flies and all that. If anyone else would care to make Nerd Boy fan episodes, feel free! We might be able to have a Nerd Boy fan episode week, and that would not only be cool, it would also mean less work for me! Woooo! Seriously though, I'd keep/add your sigs and add a note at the end of the episode saying "This episode was made by <name>." and if you have a website of your own "Visit his/her website <blah>." > Later that day... > > This tool still has a lot of bugs. > Someone should research that... > _ ` > (_| O' > [__]_./_| > ________________________________________________ |__.|d| |___ Yes, actually, I wanted to talk to you about the JMOV -> JavaScript conversion. I wanted to put a NB animation by my younger brother and I on the website, but the JavaScript only produces a couple of frames that jump around erratically... :\ -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
Hello JG, Joaquim Almgren Gandara wrote: > ... I'm a great fan of JavE, so I guess to return the favour > I'll have to learn Java and write some "fan features". :) "Fan features" are always welcome, but it also is ok when you just keep up the good work with nerd boy. :-) I have already thought about adding the nerd boy characters to the clipart library. > > Later that day... > > > > This tool still has a lot of bugs. > > Someone should research that... > > _ ` > > (_| O' > > [__]_./_| > > ________________________________________________ |__.|d| |___ > > Yes, actually, I wanted to talk to you about the JMOV -> JavaScript conversion. > I wanted to put a NB animation by my younger brother and I on the website, but > the JavaScript only produces a couple of frames that jump around erratically... > :\ Can you post the JMOV file to me? I have not done much testing with that feature, for I do not create many animations (that's also the reason for the JMOV-Editor not being integrated into JavE the way I would like to have it). So I am pretty sure there are some bugs to be fixed... At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( But I am pretty sure that sooner or later motivation will come back and I will finish the next version. :) Regards, Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
Markus Gebhard wrote: > > "Fan features" are always welcome, but it also is ok when you just keep > up the good work with nerd boy. :-) :) > I have already thought about adding the nerd boy characters to the > clipart library. Really? Hm. That might be cool... > Can you post the JMOV file to me? Done. > At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there > are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( I guess it's just too good then. :) > But I am pretty sure that sooner or later motivation will come back and > I will finish the next version. :) Take your time. -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ "You can't rush \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , genious." \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ Or something. /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
> At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there > are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( I'M BUSY OK ! .. Geez *g* (demanding isn't he ?) If you have extra time on your hands take a look at the many suggestions of mine you have'nt implemented yet. My greatest hope is still that you make JavE work like Textpad with it's textwriting and selection in one tool. It should work like this : When you just click on a cell you move the cursor there and activate text mode. However if you drag (more than a few pixels) you switch to selection mode and drag a selection box - that you can drag aound and do all the other nice stuff with until you once again singleclick outside of the selection area. Implement ! Implement ! .-------------------. ( Get to work bitch ! ) ,'-------------------' ,'--' ,',-=-. \ '.' .-'-._.' `'.'' (o( )' o=-=o `0-0` `0-0' ( My newest creation : Satan Teddy ) Kind (really!) Regards CeeJay
Hello CeeJay, CeeJay wrote: > > > At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there > > are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( > > I'M BUSY OK ! .. Geez *g* (demanding isn't he ?) LOL :-)) > If you have extra time on your hands take a look at the many suggestions of mine you > have'nt implemented yet. > > My greatest hope is still that you make JavE work like Textpad with it's textwriting and > selection in one tool. I have started to combine both tools in JavE 2.0. With those changes your hope should be 40% fulfilled. I have not received any comments on it: does it work, is it ok? I am still in doubt about moving the selection using cursor keys: It seems to be very useful to move around the selection by cursor keys on the one hand, but on the other hand one is used to dropping the selection using cursor keys (Textpad, Notepad, etc.). Maybe Ctrl-Cursor-Key should move the selection?? What is your opinion? What else do you expect to happen with mouse or keyboard actions? > It should work like this : > When you just click on a cell you move the cursor there and activate text mode. I have implemented it just this minute. It seems to work fine. One more thing missing is this: Pressing a key when having a selection should replace the selection and enter the typed key. That's already on my list for the next release. > However if you drag (more than a few pixels) you switch to selection mode and drag a > selection box - that you can drag aound and do all the other nice stuff with until you > once again singleclick outside of the selection area. Ok, if that's all, it is done and will be available in 2.1 soon. > Implement ! Implement ! > > .-------------------. > ( Get to work bitch ! ) > ,'-------------------' > ,'--' ,',-=-. > \ '.' .-'-._.' `'.'' > (o( )' o=-=o > `0-0` `0-0' > > ( My newest creation : Satan Teddy ) Cool ;-) But I have to hit you back: .-------------------. ( Send comments !!!!! ) '-------------------'. ,'--'`, ,-=-. \ '.' `._.-`-. `'.'' (o( ) `o=-=o `0-0` `0-0' Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:25:53 +0100, "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> tried to confuse everyone with this message: >> At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there >> are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( > >I'M BUSY OK ! .. Geez *g* (demanding isn't he ?) > >If you have extra time on your hands take a look at the many suggestions of mine you >have'nt implemented yet. > >My greatest hope is still that you make JavE work like Textpad with it's textwriting and >selection in one tool. >It should work like this : >When you just click on a cell you move the cursor there and activate text mode. >However if you drag (more than a few pixels) you switch to selection mode and drag a >selection box - that you can drag aound and do all the other nice stuff with until you >once again singleclick outside of the selection area. Also I don't think using Shift for selection is good. It's kinda annoying when you are typing shift-characters and accidentally select something and you need to click text tool button again. Or maybe implement hotkeys? So if an accident happens you can press ^T for example and continue typing. -- GRUE@|And to auoide tediouse repetition of these woordes: is equalle to: MAIL|I will sette as I doe often in woorke use, a paire of paralleles of RU|one lengthe, thus ===, bicause noe .2. thynges, can be moare equalle. GRUE.FREESERVERS.COM|Robert Recorde,"The Whetstone of Witte',1557.[4*72]
> > My greatest hope is still that you make JavE work like Textpad with it's textwriting and > > selection in one tool. > > I have started to combine both tools in JavE 2.0. With those changes > your hope should be 40% fulfilled. I have not received any comments on > it: does it work, is it ok? You did'nt document it .. nobody noticed. I am still in doubt about moving the > selection using cursor keys: It seems to be very useful to move around > the selection by cursor keys on the one hand, but on the other hand one > is used to dropping the selection using cursor keys (Textpad, Notepad, > etc.). Maybe Ctrl-Cursor-Key should move the selection?? What is your > opinion? Moving the seleted box seems with mouse and keyboard seems good. No fancy CTRL + some key combinations there. > What else do you expect to happen with mouse or keyboard > actions? Well I expect to be able to call most functions from the menu , and or via a hotkey so if I dont have a mouse (or im on a portable with an annoying control method) i can use the keyboard instead. > > It should work like this : > > When you just click on a cell you move the cursor there and activate text mode. > > I have implemented it just this minute. It seems to work fine. Yeah ! Release a version! > One more thing missing is this: Pressing a key when having a selection > should replace the selection and enter the typed key. That's already on > my list for the next release. Will it write just one char or will it fill the selection with the char? > > However if you drag (more than a few pixels) you switch to selection mode and drag a > > selection box - that you can drag aound and do all the other nice stuff with until you > > once again singleclick outside of the selection area. > > Ok, if that's all, it is done and will be available in 2.1 soon. YES !!!! Oh .. btw I dont like the overwrite cursor .. In window the overwrite cursor in normally a big blinking box .. i'm used to that - seeing a underscore seems weird to me and I have trouble getting used to it. > > Implement ! Implement ! > > > > .-------------------. > > ( Get to work bitch ! ) > > ,'-------------------' > > ,'--' ,',-=-. > > \ '.' .-'-._.' `'.'' > > (o( )' o=-=o > > `0-0` `0-0' > > > > ( My newest creation : Satan Teddy ) > > Cool ;-) But I have to hit you back: > > .-------------------. > ( Send comments !!!!! ) > '-------------------'. > ,'--'`, ,-=-. > \ '.' `._.-`-. `'.'' > (o( ) `o=-=o > `0-0` `0-0' Ehh .. commment I can just think of .. errmm Oh yeah .. Dont use the "," char for antialiasing .. it does'nt give a smooth look - Use "." instead. How about a smooth/antialias function to convert something like : XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX To something like : ____ ,o8888888bo_ ,d888888888888o d8888888888888888. ,88888888888888888b ]888888888888888888 88888888888888888P `888888888888888P Y888888888888' `YY8888PP' a BUG .. clicking the Choose Pattern button under the "fill" tool does not bring up a dialog so I can choose a pattern BTW.. I really like the lake effect you can get by shaking a selction and fliping it ____ ,o8888888bo_ ,d888888888888o d8888888888888888. ,88888888888888888b ]888888888888888888 88888888888888888P `888888888888888P Y888888888888' `YY8888PP' ---------------------------------- ,hh8888bb. h888888888888. ,888888888888888b 88888888888888888b ]888888888888888888 `88888888888888888p q8888888888888888' `q888888888888o `o8888888po" """" I have seen some good perspective ascii-drawings lately and I just got an idea : how about some tools/functions that helped making perspective drawings ? One idea could be to use the watermark code to draw perspective lines you could use to line up things correctly. If the compress tool could both enlarge and compress and do it in other intervals than just half/double the size it ccould be helpful for this too Enlarging could probably be done by duplicating the chars. Some chars should probably have more weight than others when choosing the right chars and it might also be done with a "shade" kind of conversing (this set of char's seems to have this shade .. so convert to theese chars .. sort of how the image to ascii does it's magic) Maybe special care should be taken to linedrawing chars like / \ - _ and such .. I would'nt know .. I'd have to see how well a basic version worked first And how about a dropshadow effect : I was thinking that lines like : | ; ,-. / ,' `-' ,' -----' could be made to look like : d8 d8 _d8P8o.,o8P ,od8P `""' P8b8P'' .. you could also do much the same if you had to option to lock a selection or screen and draw under over over that .. Errmm .. This would be layers in photoshop talk .. either advanced like photoshop with mulitple layers or like Deluxe Paint (i believe) where you had two .. a back ground and a foreground and you could switch between them. This way you could just select a thin/thick line draw tool and trace along the original line without deleting the original line. sort of the same effect you could get by coping the original to the clipboard .. tracing over it and then inserting the original from the clipboard over that in foreground mode. Kind Regards CeeJay
Those Teddy's remind me of Yuri/Psi Commando's that you can command in Red Alert 2. It is damn addictive...once I completed it, I have locked it up... ?:) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> wrote in message news:3be5881f$0$57556$edf...@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > > At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there > > are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( > > I'M BUSY OK ! .. Geez *g* (demanding isn't he ?) > > If you have extra time on your hands take a look at the many suggestions of mine you > have'nt implemented yet. > > My greatest hope is still that you make JavE work like Textpad with it's textwriting and > selection in one tool. > It should work like this : > When you just click on a cell you move the cursor there and activate text mode. > However if you drag (more than a few pixels) you switch to selection mode and drag a > selection box - that you can drag aound and do all the other nice stuff with until you > once again singleclick outside of the selection area. > > Implement ! Implement ! > > .-------------------. > ( Get to work bitch ! ) > ,'-------------------' > ,'--' ,',-=-. > \ '.' .-'-._.' `'.'' > (o( )' o=-=o > `0-0` `0-0' > > ( My newest creation : Satan Teddy ) > > Kind (really!) Regards > CeeJay > >
Timofei Shatrov wrote: > > Also I don't think using Shift for selection is good. It's kinda annoying when > you are typing shift-characters and accidentally select something and you need > to click text tool button again. [...] I think you have misunderstood me here: Selecting works by Shift + Cursor-keys (like in any windows software). This should not be a problem. However you are right: After droping the selection it has to switch back to the text tool. Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
CeeJay wrote: > > > I have started to combine both tools in JavE 2.0. With those changes > > your hope should be 40% fulfilled. I have not received any comments on > > it: does it work, is it ok? > > You did'nt document it .. nobody noticed. It was at the top of the news: ========= [14th October 2001]: Version 2.0 released * Text-Tool: - As requested by many people (me included) insert/overwrite now works as in any other text editor. - The text tool has been somewhat combined with the selection tool. Using the mouse or shift-cursor keys with the text tool will automatically switch to the selection tool/mode (as expected). In selection mode you can use the cursor keys to move the selection and hit escape oder enter to drop it and return to the text tool. ========= > Moving the seleted box seems with mouse and keyboard seems good. > No fancy CTRL + some key combinations there. But normal user expectation is that hitting a cursor key with selection drops the selection and moves the cursor. I guess I will check out moving selection with Ctrl+Cursor-keys. > Well I expect to be able to call most functions from the menu , and or via a hotkey so if > I dont have a mouse (or im on a portable with an annoying control method) i can use the > keyboard instead. I already have started to concentrate on keyboard functionality and of course I wil continue that. Feel free to make suggestions for shortcuts. What functions do you need most often? > Yeah ! > Release a version! Be patient for one or two more weeks. For your impatience I will send you a note when I have finished a prerelease version. > > One more thing missing is this: Pressing a key when having a selection > > should replace the selection and enter the typed key. That's already on > > my list for the next release. > > Will it write just one char or will it fill the selection with the char? Just one character as expected. > Oh .. btw I dont like the overwrite cursor .. In window the overwrite cursor in normally a > big blinking box .. i'm used to that - seeing a underscore seems weird to me and I have > trouble getting used to it. I think I will add an option to switch the style for the cursor. I kind of like the underline cursor. > a BUG .. clicking the Choose Pattern button under the "fill" tool does not bring up a > dialog so I can choose a pattern Oops - will be fixed! > I have seen some good perspective ascii-drawings lately and I just got an idea : how about > some tools/functions that helped making perspective drawings ? > > One idea could be to use the watermark code to draw perspective lines you could use to > line up things correctly. I have already thought about that some months ago: A watermark layer where you can draw/move/modify lines. I think I will implement it. > If the compress tool could both enlarge and compress and do it in other intervals than > just half/double the size it ccould be helpful for this too I knew somone would ask for that :-) I have integrated this feature in the last minute before release and so it is quite primitive - just about enough for a proof of concept. Ok, for the other comments: I will think about it. Thanks, Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
>> Yes, actually, I wanted to talk to you about the JMOV -> JavaScript conversion. >> I wanted to put a NB animation by my younger brother and I on the website, but >> the JavaScript only produces a couple of frames that jump around erratically... >> :\ > >Can you post the JMOV file to me? >I have not done much testing with that feature, for I do not create many >animations (that's also the reason for the JMOV-Editor not being >integrated into JavE the way I would like to have it). So I am pretty >sure there are some bugs to be fixed... > >At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there >are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( >But I am pretty sure that sooner or later motivation will come back and >I will finish the next version. :) > >Regards, >Markus in v2.0 the fill tool will only do the 1 original fill pattern Win98 javA 1.3.0_02 if you have made the JMOV tool so that you can create the frame and then select that to apend to the project, I havent seen any documentation to suggest it. In fact I have given up on it after needing to delete 160 or so frames to get 20 (see the snake jmov I made and you have, the last 20 are all that it should be IMO. Had that been easier to work around it may have been 183 frames of action and probably more interesting.) The file compression is good and seems very functional, it is important as even a short jmov would get to be quite big even for text. I did just look in v2.0 jmov editor and it has a ZoOM tool, but no pan or UNzoom can you code that function to the page up page down and arrow keys? I like the resize tool, however can that be made to where the user can specify the new size? Larger as well as the smaller? to keep my existing added clipart and fill patterns I have installed JavE in a new folder for each version, can that be made to read and replace only new additions to the base files (appending any that you have added to the existing) without erasing what I have added? (I lost a number of patterns due to this) if I think of more comments I will post them to your reply here. -- _________________________________________________ /| _____________________________________________ | //| | _ _ _ _______ _____ | | // | | | \/ \/ \\__ __\ _ \ .irc.bluedwarf.net.| | //__| | | \ \ \_ \ \ __/ .www.bluedwarf.net.| | \\ | | | \__\ \ \\ \ \ | | \\ | | |_____\ \__\_____\___\ -=MikeChat=- | | \\| |_____________________________________________| | \|_________________________________________________|
Markus Gebhard wrote: > > > But normal user expectation is that hitting a cursor key with selection > drops the selection and moves the cursor. I guess I will check out > moving selection with Ctrl+Cursor-keys. Well, I don't know. As in most graphic applications hitting the Cursor-keys moves the selection. I'm used to it; and since I think of Jave as a graphic application, it's kind of natural this way. joris
> At the moment I do not have much motivation working on JavE. Also there > are not many people asking for bug fixes or improvements... :-( I noticed something about the JMOV -> JavaScript conversion; it's lossy. In JMOV, you can specify a delay for each frame of the animation, whereas in the JavaScript there only a single delay ("Delay=260;"). You could make that a vector and store all of the delays, and then just change this line: setTimeout("Play()",Delay); to setTimeout("Play()", Delay[No]); That's an improvement I'd like to see. :) -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
Tried it out myself and discovered an error on my part. You can't just change
one line, there are more changes needed.
function Play()
{
ms = Delay[No];
if (go)
{
document.f.ta.value = A[No];
No++;
if (No >= No_Pics)
No = 0;
}
setTimeout("Play()", ms);
}
That works (I tried it) provided that Delay is an array. The following seems
like the easiest way to do it.
Delay = new Array(2000, 800, 500, 300, 300, 800, 300, 175, 175, 200, 200, 200,
200, 450, 2000, 700, 800, 800, 200, 1000, 500, 200, 300, 200, 200, 200, 200);
Also, I found that for larger animations (e.g. the complete undo log of the
making of a NB strip), the MakeArray() function is very time consuming.
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> Be patient for one or two more weeks. For your impatience I will send > you a note when I have finished a prerelease version. OK. > > > One more thing missing is this: Pressing a key when having a selection > > > should replace the selection and enter the typed key. That's already on > > > my list for the next release. > > > > Will it write just one char or will it fill the selection with the char? > > Just one character as expected. I'm still undecided about that .. because you don't see the cursor when you have selected something so it's harder to determine where the char will be written .. and you could count the entire selection as a sort of cursor. > > Oh .. btw I dont like the overwrite cursor .. In window the overwrite cursor in normally a > > big blinking box .. i'm used to that - seeing a underscore seems weird to me and I have > > trouble getting used to it. > > I think I will add an option to switch the style for the cursor. Good. >I kind of like the underline cursor. Your preference. > > I have seen some good perspective ascii-drawings lately and I just got an idea : how about > > some tools/functions that helped making perspective drawings ? > > > > One idea could be to use the watermark code to draw perspective lines you could use to > > line up things correctly. > > I have already thought about that some months ago: A watermark layer > where you can draw/move/modify lines. I think I will implement it. Good idea. I thought of a sort of wizard that created lines for you. You set the vanishing point and the FOV ( field of vision ) / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ > > If the compress tool could both enlarge and compress and do it in other intervals than > > just half/double the size it ccould be helpful for this too > > I knew somone would ask for that :-) I have integrated this feature in > the last minute before release and so it is quite primitive - just about > enough for a proof of concept. Good .. a proof of concept is needed to develop it further. > Ok, for the other comments: I will think about it. I forgot one thing .. I want MY line drawing style in the program too ! VK, Glory and Henry Segerman have theirs in it .. I want mine too. You have already seen it .. The "How to draw ASCII shapes and lines" tutorial. Actually there are two variations to it .. the upper and lower. Quote from the tutorial : " [Sun of directions] My "Sun of directions" It shows my (CeeJay) favourite linestyles The first number is the change in the X value. The second number is the change in the Y value. Note that the lines in the upper half of the sun differs from the ones in the lower half. I prefer the ones in the upper half but there are different lines for different occasions. 1/3 | 1/3 1/2 | | | 1/2 1/1 | | | | | 1/1 3/2 \ `. `. | ,' ,' / 3/2 2/1 \ \ | | | | | / / 2/1 . `. \ `. | | | ,' / ,' , 3/1 `. \ \ | `. | ,' | / / ," 3/1 . `. `. \ `. | | | ,' / ,' ," , 4/1 `-. `. \ \ | | | | | / / ," ,-" 4/1 -._ `-. `. `. \ `. `.|,' ,' / ,' ," ,-" _.- 5/1 `-._ `-. `. \ \ | ||| | / / ," ,-" _.-" 5/1 `--._ `-._ `-. `. `. \ `. ||| ,' / ,' ," ,-" _.-" _.--" 6/1.__ `--._ `-._ `-. `. \ / ," ,-" _.-" _.--" __.6/1 `--.__ `--._ `-._` _____ "_.-" _.--" __.--" 7/1 `--..__ `--.__ `--._ .-' `-. _.--" __.--" __..--" 7/1 --..__ `--..__ `--.__ ,' `. __.--" __..--" __..-- 8/1 ``--..__ `--..__ / _ _ \ __..--" __..--'" 8/1 ``--..__ ; (_) (_) : __..--'" ----------------------- | | ------------------------ ..--''"" : | | ; ""``--.. 8/1 ..--''"" .--''"" \ `.___.' / ""``--. ""``--.. 8/1 --''"" .--''"" .--'"" `. ,' ""`--. ""``--. ""``-- 7/1 .--''"" .--'"" ,--' `-._____.-' CJ ``--. ""`--. ""``--. 7/1 .--'"" ,--'" _,-". . `-._ ``--. ""`--. 6/1'"" ,--'" _,-" .-' ,' / \ `. `-. `-._ ``--. ""`6/1 ,--'" _,-" .-' ,' .' / .' ||| `. \ `. `. `-. `-._ ``--. 5/1" _,-" .-' ,' / / | ||| | \ \ `. `-. `-._ 5/1 ,-" .-' ,' .' / .' .'|`. `. \ `. `. `-. `-. 4/1 .-' ,' / / | | | | | \ \ `. `-. 4/1 ' ,' .' / .' | | | `. \ `. `. ` 3/1 ,' / / | .' | `. | \ \ `. 3/1 ' .' / .' | | | `. \ `. ` 2/1 / / | | | | | \ \ 2/1 3/2 / .' .' | `. `. \ 3/2 1/1 | | | | | 1/1 1/2 | | | 1/2 1/3 | 1/3 " Please include it. I was also going to point out that the link to the ascii-art FAQ on your webpage is broken, but I was wrong .. it's not broken It's merely that Joans page "have exceeded its allocated data transfer" In other words it used up more bandwidth than Geocities would allow .. most likely because it is so popular. .. and probably also because she likes to adorn the page with lots of graphics and java .. which strike me as a bit out of place since most ascii-artists are minimalists in some form. Sincerly CeeJay
"CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> schrieb: >[line wizzard] > > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ > / \ . / \ /<0>\ / \ / \ """"""""" SNCR /)) -- "If there are two or more ways to do something, and one of those can result a catastrophe, then someone will do it." (Edward A. Murphy)
> . > / \ > /<0>\ > / \ > / \ > """"""""" What .. no arms ?
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:44:34 +0100, "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> wrote: >> . >> / \ >> /<0>\ >> / \ >> / \ >> """"""""" > >What .. no arms ? > dont let the illuminates hear that ;) >> .. >> / \`. >> /<0>\ `. >> / \ `, >> / \,' >> """""""""
Hi CeeJay, I wanted to let you know that I have done a lot of work on JavE. For example I have added a jave.ini file where information about the configuration is stored, so when you restart JavE the file paths will be the same as when you stopped working. Also there is one option for you: You can switch the cursor to block style for overwrite mode. This options is also saved to the jave.ini - so you should be happy with it. Also now there is a list of recently used files in the file-menu. > I want MY line drawing style in the program too ! I have tried to integrate it into my algorithm and all went fine until I found out that your line style is much more different from the others than I though before: It is about the vertical lines. Other styles place the characters this way: X X For example: / | X X | | X X / / X X | / X X / | X X | / X X / / X X | | Your style is different: X For example: | XX ,' X | XX ,' X | XX ,' X | X | I have adopted my algorithms so it is now somewhat able to work with this extra character by simply adding it to the end of each segment. I think it kind of does work now, but I had to sweat a lot for it. Here are a few examples: . . | | , ," | | | | | , / / . `. | | | | ,' / ," ," `. `. `. | | ,' ,' / / ," `. | | | | | | ," ," ," `. `. `. | | | ,' / / ," `. `. | | ,' | ,' / ," / `. | | | | ,' ,' / / ," `. | `. `. | | | ,' / ," ," ,-" \ `. | | | | | ,' / / ," ," `. `. `. `. | | ,' | ," ," ," ,-" \ `. `. | | | | ,' / / ," ,-" `. `. `. | | | | | ,' / ," ," ," `. \ `.` ` | ' ' ' / / ," ,-" `. `.` ," / ,-" `-. \ ," ," `-. `. `. ," ,-" __. `-. `. ," ,-" __.--'" `-._ `. ," __..--'" `-. ,-" __..--'" ``--..___ `-. ..-'" __.. ``--..___ __...---''"" ``--.. __...---''"" .......______ '"" ``````-------.. I hope they are ok. Now I will have a look at the second style of yours. Is it ok when I name them "CeeJay 1" and "CeeJay 2" or do you have a better idea? > Please include it. Almost done. Now what is you credit card number? ;-) Regards, Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
Hi Joaquim, Joaquim Almgren Gandara wrote: > [source code for time delay in javascript animations] Hey, thanks! I will try to add it to the JMOV exporter. > Also, I found that for larger animations (e.g. the complete undo log of the > making of a NB strip), the MakeArray() function is very time consuming. I already have thought about a warning dialog for export of very large animations. A "making of" animation is too large for those simple JavaScript animations, for there is no compression (yet??). It is a good idea to use the JMOV applet here instead, for it has very good compression - you can even zip the jmov file. BTW: Would you mind sending me a "making of nerd"??? I would be very glad if I could add it to the JavE-(JMOV)-Player demo page: http://www.jave.de/player/index.html#demos or - if you don't like to make it public - to have a look at it :-) regards, Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
Hello MJP, Sorry for answering so late - I was having problems with our newsserver... MJP wrote: > in v2.0 the fill tool will only do the 1 original fill pattern > Win98 javA 1.3.0_02 You are right, I have forgotten to put a certain file into the program library. Of course it will work again with the next release. > if you have made the JMOV tool so that you can create the frame > and then select that to apend to the project, I havent seen any documentation > to suggest it. In fact I have given up on it after needing to delete 160 > or so frames to get 20 (see the snake jmov I made and you have, the last 20 > are all that it should be IMO. [...] I will try to improve the JMOV editor a lot in the following releases. I already am working on integrating it, so that the output window is the editor window of JavE. It makes things a lot easier for users - but also a lot harder for me to keep it free of bugs. But I think it should be fine. > I like the resize tool, however can that be made to where the user can > specify the new size? Larger as well as the smaller? It is on my list. > to keep my existing added clipart and fill patterns I have installed JavE in > a new folder for each version, can that be made to read and replace only new > additions to the base files (appending any that you have added to the existing) > without erasing what I have added? (I lost a number of patterns due to this) I have already thought about that problem. The perfect solution would be an installer that automatically updates yout patterns and cliparts... I think I have to at least add and option to import them from other files... For the moment it should be ok to simply copy your own files over the ones from the download package. There have not been many changes in content and the format is compatible. And BTW: One can upload cliparts/patterns and I will add them to the download package: http://www.jave.de/submission.html > if I think of more comments I will post them to your reply here. Just go ahead. Comments and ideas are always welcome. Regards, Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
"Markus Gebhard" <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote in message news:3BE...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... > Hi Joaquim, > > Joaquim Almgren Gandara wrote: > > [source code for time delay in javascript animations] > > Hey, thanks! I will try to add it to the JMOV exporter. No problem, I'm glad I could help. :) > > Also, I found that for larger animations (e.g. the complete undo log of the > > making of a NB strip), the MakeArray() function is very time consuming. > > I already have thought about a warning dialog for export of very large > animations. A "making of" animation is too large for those simple > JavaScript animations, for there is no compression (yet??). > It is a good idea to use the JMOV applet here instead, for it has very > good compression - you can even zip the jmov file. Hm... It seems to me that one could, at the very least, alter the JMOV to HTML conversion so as to eliminate the MakeArray() call. Might it be possible to just save the JMOV itself as a String and port the applet to JavaScript? *thinking of trying to figure out the JMOV format and write a JavaScript player* > BTW: Would you mind sending me a "making of nerd"??? I would be very > glad if I could add it to the JavE-(JMOV)-Player demo page: > http://www.jave.de/player/index.html#demos > or - if you don't like to make it public - to have a look at it :-) Done. :) -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ I a�m to please. \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , As usual... \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {v} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
> I wanted to let you know that I have done a lot of work on JavE. For > example I have added a jave.ini file where information about the > configuration is stored, so when you restart JavE the file paths will be > the same as when you stopped working. Also there is one option for you: > You can switch the cursor to block style for overwrite mode. This > options is also saved to the jave.ini - so you should be happy with it. > Also now there is a list of recently used files in the file-menu. It sounds good. If the program also remembers where it's filepaths then perhaps it would be possible to start it from a shortcut that didn't set the path prior to running in (normally causing the program to be unable to find it's support & ini files) > > I want MY line drawing style in the program too ! > > I have tried to integrate it into my algorithm and all went fine until I > found out that your line style is much more different from the others > than I though before: I know .. it's far supirior isn't it ? :) >It is about the vertical lines. oh :| > Other styles place > the characters this way: > > X X For example: / | > X X | | > X X / / > X X | / > X X / | > X X | / > X X / / > X X | | > > Your style is different: > > X For example: | > XX ,' > X | > XX ,' > X | > XX ,' > X | > X | > > I have adopted my algorithms so it is now somewhat able to work with > this extra character by simply adding it to the end of each segment. I > think it kind of does work now, but I had to sweat a lot for it. Here > are a few examples: > > . . | | , ," > | | | | | , / / > . `. | | | | ,' / ," ," > `. `. `. | | ,' ,' / / ," > `. | | | | | | ," ," ," > `. `. `. | | | ,' / / ," > `. `. | | ,' | ,' / ," / > `. | | | | ,' ,' / / ," > `. | `. `. | | | ,' / ," ," ,-" > \ `. | | | | | ,' / / ," ," > `. `. `. `. | | ,' | ," ," ," ,-" > \ `. `. | | | | ,' / / ," ,-" > `. `. `. | | | | | ,' / ," ," ," > `. \ `.` ` | ' ' ' / / ," ,-" > `. `.` ," / ,-" > `-. \ ," ," > `-. `. `. ," ,-" __. > `-. `. ," ,-" __.--'" > `-._ `. ," __..--'" > `-. ,-" __..--'" > ``--..___ `-. ..-'" __.. > ``--..___ __...---''"" > ``--.. __...---''"" > .......______ '"" > ``````-------.. > I hope they are ok. They seem to sorta work .. It looks "different" when you try to do lines with an "off" degree that the chars cant display well but I think you got the general picture. If not I will correct you when I see the next version. > Now I will have a look at the second style of yours. > Is it ok when I name them "CeeJay 1" and "CeeJay 2" or do you have a > better idea? If you grouped the lighter types into a group and the darker into their group then they could be called CeeJay (light) and CeeJay (dark) or you could call them CeeJay (normal) and CeeJay (alternative) as I mostly use the upper section of the sun myself .. perhaps with the exception of 4/1 , 3/1 and 2/1 where I prefer the versions in the lower half. Yes .. this sound good.. do that. > Almost done. Now what is you credit card number? ;-) Do you have a burning desire to repay your gratitude to me for all the helpful commments, ideas and suggestions ? Great ! I could really use the money.
I while thinking hard about new possible JavE feature and algorithms I read some
tutorials by great ascii-artist that had some good input on how to create
images.
Inout that could help in the creation of an automated tool (like JavE) for some
of things they describe :
Rowan Crawford talks about a lot of subjects ..
http://users.inetw.net/~mullen/crateach.htm
What interested me here was perspective/3D drawing (although he said nothing
much I did'nt knew already)
His inputs about shading chars (I still haven't found the perfect chars for this
yet .. but as you know I generally prefer a simple charset that seem smooth to
the eye)
And this about solid drawing where he uses lowercase letter to create a
halfheight solid line (compare to f.x. JavE's "thick" and "thin" lines)
"
anpoan
dHP
dHP
dHBooan
"
I tried to do more of this kind of thin .. but still not quite linedrawing
oooo
8 8
8oo8
.oo.
o o
8 8
8 8
8 8
8 8
o o
'oo'
.o0o..o0o.
'*0*''*0*'
Normand Veilleux talk a lot about smoothing ascii-art in his tutorial
http://users.inetw.net/~mullen/veiteach.htm
..but I guess you (Mr. Gebhard) already know this as JavE does much of the same
stuff in the same way.
He also talks about lightening and darkening an ascii-picture ( a feature I had
just thought of myself before I read this).
He writes he developed pseudocode for it, but alas it will be hard to contact
him to get the code .. because as far as I know he's dead.
Maybe he mentioned his code to someone before ..
Anyhow as I see it , lightening and darkening a ascii picture will be a matter
of replacing chars normally used for shading with other chars that have a
lighter or darker appearence.
It could both be a tool that changed the entire screen at once and a
lighten/darken brush.
Speaking of brushes ..
How about outline cursors .. like how Photoshop uses does (can do)
f.x with line , dot and char linedrawing the cross cursor would be fine, but
with thick1 , 2 and 3 a circle showing the aproximated size of the brush would
be better IMO.
A little like how the Eraser tool does .. only with a real circle.
more on brushes .. I think a smoothing tool to smooth :
XXX
XXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX
into
.o0
.o0000
.o0000000
Should probably also be a brush-type of tool as well as a tool that does the
entire screen/selection
.. I'll end here..
I'm gonna get back into my think tank to develop a algorithm for good circles
Cheers
CeeJay
> *thinking of trying to figure out the JMOV format and write a JavaScript
player*
Done porting your Java to stupid, stupid JavaScript (did you get my e-mail?).
And now, the activity prioritised infamously low among programmers: sleep.
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Hi Joaquim! > > BTW: Would you mind sending me a "making of nerd"??? I would be very > > glad if I could add it to the JavE-(JMOV)-Player demo page: > > http://www.jave.de/player/index.html#demos > > or - if you don't like to make it public - to have a look at it :-) > > Done. :) Great, thanks!! I have put it online: http://www.jave.de/player/demo/demo7.html To all the people who don't know what we are talking about: Have a look at it!! It is fascinating to see how Joaquim draws this cartoon! You can see every single keystroke. It is a Java applet worth looking at! Don't worry about download times: The applet, movie and html altogether are less than 32kB! :-)) Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
Joaquim Almgren Gandara wrote: > > > *thinking of trying to figure out the JMOV format and write a JavaScript > player* > > Done porting your Java to stupid, stupid JavaScript (did you get my e-mail?). > And now, the activity prioritised infamously low among programmers: sleep. Great. Thanks again. I will have a look at it later this day. :) Regards, Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
Hi CeeJay, CeeJay wrote: > or you could call them CeeJay (normal) and CeeJay (alternative) as I mostly use > the upper section of the sun myself .. perhaps with the exception of 4/1 , 3/1 > and 2/1 where I prefer the versions in the lower half. > > Yes .. this sound good.. do that. Ok, you will find both of the styles in the next release. Here is "CeeJay (alternative)": | | .' .' | / ,' | .' ,' ,' | .' / ,' .-' .' | ,' ,' .-' | .' / ,' .-' | .' / ,' .-' _,-" .' .' ,' ,' ,' .-' | | / ,' .-' _,-" | .' ,' ,' .-' _,-" .'' ' / ,' .-' .-' .' | _,-" ...---'''"" .' |`. ...---'''"""" .' | `.`-...:::."" | `. `. `-._ """"""""```````--------. .' | `. `-. `--. .' | | `-. "``-.. .' `. `. `-. "`--. .' | `. `-._ "``-. .' | `. `-. "" ' | `. ` ` > > Almost done. Now what is you credit card number? ;-) > > Do you have a burning desire to repay your gratitude to me for all the helpful > commments, ideas and suggestions ? > Great ! I could really use the money. Well, I knew it before: I never will get rich writing a freeware program. But I think it was worth trying. Maybe I should quit JavE and start a new project? ...No, I think I cannot live without it. :-) Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
CeeJay wrote: > [...] > Rowan Crawford talks about a lot of subjects .. > http://users.inetw.net/~mullen/crateach.htm > [...] > Normand Veilleux talk a lot about smoothing ascii-art in his tutorial > http://users.inetw.net/~mullen/veiteach.htm I will have a look at it later. Thanks to you all I think I have enough material to keep on working for some months :-) > Speaking of brushes .. > How about outline cursors .. like how Photoshop uses does (can do) > > f.x with line , dot and char linedrawing the cross cursor would be fine, but > with thick1 , 2 and 3 a circle showing the aproximated size of the brush would > be better IMO. Good idea. > [...] > I'm gonna get back into my think tank to develop a algorithm for good circles I am still impatiently waiting for that one! Well, that reminds me... ...here it is: .-------------------. ( Get to work bitch ! ) ,'-------------------' ,'--' ,',-=-. \ '.' .-'-._.' `'.'' (o( )' o=-=o `0-0` `0-0' ;-) Markus -- \-/ http://www.jave.de O_< Get JavE now! \-/ J|a|v|E /| J|a|v|E /-\ Ascii-Art for eyeryone / \ - for free! /-\
"Markus Gebhard" <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote in message news:3BE...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... > Joaquim Almgren Gandara wrote: > > > > > *thinking of trying to figure out the JMOV format and write a JavaScript > > player* > > > > Done porting your Java to stupid, stupid JavaScript (did you get my e-mail?). > > And now, the activity prioritised infamously low among programmers: sleep. > > Great. Thanks again. I will have a look at it later this day. :) No problem! :) -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ Word. \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
>> > Almost done. Now what is you credit card number? ;-) >> >> Do you have a burning desire to repay your gratitude to me for all the helpful >> commments, ideas and suggestions ? >> Great ! I could really use the money. > >Well, I knew it before: I never will get rich writing a freeware >program. But I think it was worth trying. >Maybe I should quit JavE and start a new project? HUH!??? >...No, I think I cannot live without it. :-) Damn! you shocked me for a second! :) >Markus OBASCII ;) _ _ _ _ _ | | |_) |_| |_` | ` | | o \ |_| |_) | | ._| |_, | | / /
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, David Dahlberg wrote: > . > / \ > /<0>\ > / \ > / \ > """"""""" Heheheh... awesome. Fnord! ----- Sincerely, "Her Poopiness" (Tali/Jessie Brown/Pope Dances-with-Earwax) http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/ ~*~ Jolt Cola: tastes filthy, kicks like a mule on speed. ~*~
On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:39:06 +0100, "Peter \"lastfuture\" Marquardt" <las...@lastfuture.de> wrote: >On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:44:34 +0100, "CeeJay" ><new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> wrote: > >>> . >>> / \ >>> /<0>\ >>> / \ >>> / \ >>> """"""""" >> >>What .. no arms ? >> > >dont let the illuminates hear that ;) > >>> .. >>> / \`. >>> /<0>\ `. >>> / \ `, >>> / \,' >>> """"""""" FNORD -- CBM, Amiga and PEZ-nut, Scout, Glider pilot, Administrator Email: vjo...@sci.fi, URL: http://www.sci.fi/~vjouppi/ GSM: +358-40-5679999, IRCNet: Jope Arabuusimiehet World Domination
On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Ville Jouppi wrote: > > FNORD Don'tseethefnordsdon'tseethefnordsdon'tseethefnordsdon'tseethefnords... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ,qppppp. qMMM____;M ~ Taliszanna WhiteCrow ~ (a.k.a Jessie Brown OR qMMM.^^(Mp Her Mighty Erisian Po*piness, Pope Dances-with-Earwax) .qMMM__=/Mp _/ http://talis_white_crow.tripod.com/ MMMMM_',MMp
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