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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art.animation, started 8 Feb 1998.
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2d animation software............recommend?

2d animation software............recommend?

alt.ascii-art.animation · 18 messages · 8 Feb 1998 - 19 Feb 1998
Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated 
gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't 
find it in any searches.
any help will be greatfuly received
jua...@compuserve.com

julian wrote:
> 
> Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated
> gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
> I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't
> find it in any searches.
> any help will be greatfuly received
> jua...@compuserve.com


Sorry, wrong newsgroup, try news:alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs
instead.


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Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> ASCII art 8 Feb 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> 
> julian wrote:
> >
> > Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated
> > gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
> > I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't
> > find it in any searches.
> > any help will be greatfuly received
> > jua...@compuserve.com
> 
> Sorry, wrong newsgroup, try news:alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs
> instead.
I thought you was gonna give them a good spanking,Veronica.Oh,well.I
wonder why so many people have thought this ng was a animated-gif ng?It
seems easy to me "alt.ascii-art.animation"=!"gif.animation".
I may never know.I once posted html to alt.tasteless and that wasnt nice
i can assure ya.I only got one flame but it was nasty,NASTY.but it was
then i learned and though it wasnt nice,i was glad to recieve the
lesson.Spare the rod and spoil the usenet,they say.


Obasciianijabber:
Anyone got any ideas on wht i should animate next,remember it has got to
be gory,or sick in someway?


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  Gory javascript animations for your enjoyment

Uhhh, try Macromedia Flash2.

Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> 
> Krogg wrote:
> > Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > > julian wrote:
> > > > Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated
> > > > gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
> > > > I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't
> > > > find it in any searches.


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Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> wrote:

>I thought you was gonna give them a good spanking,Veronica.Oh,well.I
>wonder why so many people have thought this ng was a animated-gif ng?

Looks like Julian just went for every ng with animation somewhere in
it's name.

We've had a few before on uk.media.animation.anime.


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In article <34D...@inspace.net>, Krogg
<kro...@inspace.net> wrote:
> 
[snip]
> Obasciianijabber:
> Anyone got any ideas on wht i should animate next,remember it has got to
> be gory,or sick in someway?
[snip]
>          kro...@inspace.net
>           Remove no.to.spam to reply
>  http://www.inspace.net/~carcher/krogg/aani.htm
>   Gory javascript animations for your enjoyment

I haven't any ideas (aside from the one you gave me about llizard and
horse jumping) I hate to give that one to you, not wanting to encourage
any dismemberment of llizard, you know....

But PLEASE!!! I neee-e-e-e-eeeed to see more Javascript animations. I
think I've done enough for now!


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Stuart Dawson wrote:
> 
> Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> wrote:
> 
> >I thought you was gonna give them a good spanking,Veronica.Oh,well.I
> >wonder why so many people have thought this ng was a animated-gif ng?
> 
> Looks like Julian just went for every ng with animation somewhere in
> it's name.
> 

OH! :P :( :( :P #$%&

Sorry. He was _totally_ off for alt.ascii-art.animation...

llizard has some ascii art animations on her homepage:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/vk/pics/misc/LLIZARD1.gif

> We've had a few before on uk.media.animation.anime.
> 

mmmm.... here too.... :P


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Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> ASCII art 9 Feb 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
llizard wrote:
> Krogg wrote:
> > Obasciianijabber:
> > Anyone got any ideas on wht i should animate next,remember it has got to
> > be gory,or sick in someway?
> 
> I haven't any ideas (aside from the one you gave me about llizard and
> horse jumping) I hate to give that one to you, not wanting to encourage
> any dismemberment of llizard, you know....
> 
> But PLEASE!!! I neee-e-e-e-eeeed to see more Javascript animations. I
> think I've done enough for now!
> 

You could animate this:



                                   -----------.____        \
                                   `--------.____  `----.__ \
                                  __________     `----._
                -----============<__________`------._   `-.
                                            `----.__ `-.___L__
                                                    `-.
    @@@                                                \
   @@@@@@                                               |
 `(((())))'              (mmmm! food!)                  |
===============         /                               |
 |           |     \   /                                |
 |           |      \ '                       ,^        |
 |           |   ----%^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          |
 |           |           "            "               _/
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
                                
                                
                                
                                   -----------.____        \
                                   `--------.____  `----.__ \
                                  __________     `----._
                -----============<__________`------._   `-.
                                            `----.__ `-.___L__
                                                    `-.
    @@@          \                                     \
   @@@@@@         \                                     |
 `(((())))'    ----% -----(grrrr! too high up!)         |
===============     >                                   |
 |           |       >                                  |
 |           |        >                                 |
 |           |       =`^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`v             |
 |           |                   "                    _/
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
                                                
                                                
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                                   `--------.____  `----.__ \
                                  __________     `----._
                -----============<__________`------._   `-.
                                            `----.__ `-.___L__
                         |                          `-.
    @@@               \     /                          \
   @@@@@@            -- (Y) --                          |
 `(((())))'           /  H  \  *idea*                   |
===============         /"                              |
 |           |         /                                |
 |           |        '                       ,^        |
 |           |   ====%^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          |
 |           |           "            "               _/
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
                                
                                
                                
                                
                                   -----------.____        \
                                   `--------.____  `----.__ \
                                  __________     `----._
                -----============<__________`------._   `-.
                                            `----.__ `-.___L__
                                                    `-.
    @@@                                       ----%vv. \
   @@@@@@                                    HA  /    v=|
 `(((())))'                               HA    /     < |
===============                                       < |
 |           |                         HA             < |
 |           |                                    ^.  <=|
 |           |                                      ^^' |
 |           |                                        _/
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
                                
                                
                                
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          HA                   .^  `--------.____  `----.__ \
       HA     .^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   __________     `----._
    HA       <  ---"--======"====<__________`------._   `-.
        ----%                 / / \         `----.__ `-.___L__
           /                   / |                  `-.
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                           | |    __________     `----._
                          ||     <__________`------._   `-.
                      | | |     H           `----.__ `-.___L__
                      |    ^    H                   `-.
    @@@                .^^'     H                      \
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 `(((())))'           <         |                       |
===============       <         |                       |
 |           |        <         |                       |
 |           |        < =   /                           |
 |           |        <    /                            |
 |           |         `vv%----                       _/
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""


                                   -----------.____        \
                                   `--------.____  `----.__ \
                                  __________     `----._
                                 <__________`------._   `-.
                                H           `----.__ `-.___L__
                                H                   `-.
    @@@                         H                      \
   @@@@@@                       H                       |
 `(((())))'              (grrr!)|                       |
===============         /       |                       |
 |           |    \    /        |                       |
 |           |     \  '                       ,^        |
 |           |   ----(E)^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          |
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""




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Krogg wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > julian wrote:
> > > Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated
> > > gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
> > > I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't
> > > find it in any searches.
> >
> > Sorry, wrong newsgroup, try news:alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs
> > instead.
> I thought you was gonna give them a good spanking,Veronica.

mmm.... no... not in the mood for that kind of thing right now...

[ 8< ]
> Obasciianijabber:
> Anyone got any ideas on wht i should animate next,remember it has got to
> be gory,or sick in someway?
> 

How about me spanking a spammer...?

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You could try using 3DS MAX to create 2D animations.
Info on how to do this (plus downloadable domoprogram) can be found at :
http://www.infografica.com/cartoon/index.html

Jarno
"We put the FUN in dysFUNctional"

In article <34D...@on.spammer>, Veronica Karlsson
<dre...@on.spammer> wrote:
> 
> Stuart Dawson wrote:
> >
> > Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> wrote:
> >
> > >I
> > >wonder why so many people have thought this ng was a animated-gif ng?
> >
> > Looks like Julian just went for every ng with animation somewhere in
> > it's name.
> 
> OH! :P :( :( :P #$%&
> 
> Sorry. He was _totally_ off for alt.ascii-art.animation...
> 
> llizard has some ascii art animations on her homepage:
> 
> http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/vk/pics/misc/LLIZARD1.gif

While I have a horror of crossposting to so many groups, I really must
protest.

That is hardly my homepage!

But if anybody would like to see some Javascript ascii-animations, you
can find them at one of my subpages:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/animations.htm

(You need to have at least Netscape Navigator 3.01 or MSIE 4.0 with the
Javascript enabled in order to view them)


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
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www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/       "    "


Non sequiter, i guess but i picked this thread because it looks like a
"regulars" discussion.

I cannot imagine what "ascii-art.animation" is.  Can you stear me to a WWW
site or your "binarie" newsgroup to see it?

TIA

-- 
<tmc...@iname.com>

Nyk Tarr <Ny...@tomobiki.demon.co.uk> ASCII art 10 Feb 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Konichi-wa Krogg-san, on 09-Feb-98 03:05:25, you said,
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
>> 
>> julian wrote:
>> >
>> > Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated
>> > gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
>> > I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't
>> > find it in any searches.
>> > any help will be greatfuly received
>> > jua...@compuserve.com
>> 
>> Sorry, wrong newsgroup, try news:alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs
>> instead.
> I thought you was gonna give them a good spanking,Veronica.Oh,well.I
> wonder why so many people have thought this ng was a animated-gif ng?It
> seems easy to me "alt.ascii-art.animation"=!"gif.animation".
> I may never know.I once posted html to alt.tasteless and that wasnt nice
> i can assure ya.I only got one flame but it was nasty,NASTY.but it was
> then i learned and though it wasnt nice,i was glad to recieve the
> lesson.Spare the rod and spoil the usenet,they say.

Into S&M? ^_^
You've just cross-posted this message to 4 other newsgroups, one of
which is Japanese. Please trim the headers next time. Or cross-post
to alt.support.cross-posting. ^_^

> Obasciianijabber:
> Anyone got any ideas on wht i should animate next,remember it has got to
> be gory,or sick in someway?

Spice Girls video?

Naaaaaahhhh that's /tooo/ sick... ^_^

mata ate do,

Nyk
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"B?#$^f," said Pooh, as line noise garbled his transmission.

llizard wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
[ 8< ]
> > Sorry. He was _totally_ off for alt.ascii-art.animation...
> >
> > llizard has some ascii art animations on her homepage:
> >
> > http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/vk/pics/misc/LLIZARD1.gif
> 
> While I have a horror of crossposting to so many groups, I really must
> protest.
> 
> That is hardly my homepage!
> 

You are absolutely right, that is NOT your page! :D:D:D:D:D:DD

I got the URL off my "friends page" by right-clicking and saving... I
seem to have got the URL of the icon instead of the URL of the link...
What a ridiculus mistake! *big*blush*

> But if anybody would like to see some Javascript ascii-animations, you
> can find them at one of my subpages:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/animations.htm
> 

It is definitely worth a visit.  :)


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Terry McDanel wrote:
> 
> Non sequiter, i guess but i picked this thread because it looks like a
> "regulars" discussion.
> 
> I cannot imagine what "ascii-art.animation" is.  Can you stear me to a WWW
> site or your "binarie" newsgroup to see it?
> 

"Our binarie newsgroup" is not very lively, but here are some sites with
ascii animations:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/
http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/4942/ascii.htm

You can also take a look at news:alt.ascii-art for ordinairy (not
animated) ascii art.

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Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> ASCII art 11 Feb 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> 
> Terry McDanel wrote:
> >
> > Non sequiter, i guess but i picked this thread because it looks like a
> > "regulars" discussion.
> >
> > I cannot imagine what "ascii-art.animation" is.  Can you stear me to a WWW
> > site or your "binarie" newsgroup to see it?
> >
> 
> "Our binarie newsgroup" is not very lively, but here are some sites with
> ascii animations:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/
> http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/index.html
> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/4942/ascii.htm
> 
> You can also take a look at news:alt.ascii-art for ordinairy (not
> animated) ascii art.
> 
Ya can also see mine,just follow the link below my sig.
Btw,ascii animationscan be made severalways but the flavor
 of the day isjavascript,so make sure yer browser supports
 javascript if ya dont see anything on the sites listed above
 or below.

Oh,yeah....be prepaired to be amased,but dont get hyper.


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  Gory javascript animations for your enjoyment

hnd...@scms.rgu.ac.uk 17 Feb 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
jus...@compuserve.com (julian) wrote:

>Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import animated 
>gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
>I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I can't 
>find it in any searches.
>any help will be greatfuly received
>jua...@compuserve.com

What about Paintbrush - Wonderful package -
Fully compatible with notepad too!!!!

aardvarko <rea...@message.com> ASCII art 19 Feb 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
And the price is right!

Seriously, check out www.adobe.com for Photoshop or www.jasc.com for
Paint Shop Pro.

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>jus...@compuserve.com (julian) wrote:
>
>>Could anyone recommend a 2d animation package. I want to import
animated
>>gifs onto a background, then set paths for them.
>>I used a demo package which I think was called Liquid Metal but I
can't
>>find it in any searches.
>>any help will be greatfuly received
>>jua...@compuserve.com
>
>What about Paintbrush - Wonderful package -
>Fully compatible with notepad too!!!!
>

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