From someplace else

I sent this to a mailing list I am on and I thought that it should be
immortalized here because of its ASCII art quality.  I see posts like
this in the pl group frequently but it seems I and a few Slackware
users I know are the only English speakers doing this kind of work.

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> Where in the rules does it say we can not talk about the list 
> operations on the main list?  
> Where does it say in the rules that we must force people to join
> another list to do so?
> Where in the rules does it say that talking about the list
> operations is trolling and people can get a trolling warning for
> doing so? 

+for the full effect please use a fixed fond like lucinda console

The same place in which it states that non-moderators should send
emails to people informing them that they should reread the rules
regarding private conversation.  You ever see that kind of thing?

Each person has an idea as to what belongs on which list and what
belongs elsewhere.  A majority believe that this is the list that
is the place for politics, the members list the place for fun, as
the tech list is the place to discus the mechanics of the list. I
know it would be impossible to get all the people to put a header
in the subject of each post like [tech], [mod], [list] and [opps]
which would allow for easy filtering.  That is not something that
is likely to happen because it would require us to test the IQ of
each person who wants to join the list.  So each function in this
organization is given its own place with its own rules of conduct 
and flavor.  Trust me.  If you had list operations mixed with the
regular conversation we would get more people who would leave and 
we have enough complaints about cold, and pretentious holier than 
thou people as it is.  Do we need to encourage even more of this?

I belong to another group that is split too.  I rather like split
groups.  It creates a place of fun a well as a place of business.
It works nicely as not all people want/need to know about how and
why each part of the list is the way it is.  All those people can
sit back and trust that everything is taken care of.  If the time
comes that one should feel strongly enough to move past the world
that is "Ignorance Is Bliss" (IIB) they are welcome come and have
fun in the politics.  However not all people have this desire but
will join in on those types of topics even though they don't have
much background in list the nature of lists.  Heck we are dealing
with people who can not disable line wrapping, trim a reply post,
avoid top posting or avoid the temptation to post one liner after
one liner.

> Forcing people to join this list is wrong.

No.  Forced sterilization in Organ was wrong.  Telling people "If
you would like to talk business and operations join the list that
has been set up for that at SDG...@yahoogroups.com" isn't some
kind of major wrong in the world.  Heck, in my book it is such an
insignificant little issue that I am using a writing style so odd
and obscure that most people will not even get the joke.  Such is 
life.  All of the little things go unappreciated or unrecognized.

> I really would like to see those questions answered right now without humor.

I really would like it if you stopped bitching like one that take
Thorazine/chlorpromazine to stop voices from driving them insane.  

+This line marks the last line of the writing style I noted above

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[Faux_Pseudo]:
>
>   I see posts like this in the pl group frequently but it seems I
>   and a few Slackware users I know  are the only English speakers
>   doing this kind of work.

ah, but it's very much alive among Norwegian and Swedish hackers -- of
course I use the word "hacker" in its original meaning -- and I'm sure
real hackers everywhere keep this tradition alive.  in some newsgroups 
or forums (in a Portacom clone I frequent) the art of making geometric
shapes is the most important motivation for posting messages.  content
to style ratio is often ~zero, nobody cares if the text is nonsensical
if the rules for a tasteful "brick" are followed.  e.g. hyphenation is
considered cheating, and obviously, so is adjusting the spaces between
sentences.  a hidden message earns bonus points, can you see one here?

-- 
Kjetil T.			|  read and make up your own mind
				|  http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

 _.--- Kjetil Torgrim Homme spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ 
> content
> to style ratio is often ~zero,

At this stage I try to insure pefrect content. 

> nobody cares if the text is nonsensical
> if the rules for a tasteful "brick" are followed.  e.g. hyphenation is
> considered cheating, and obviously, so is adjusting the spaces between
> sentences.  a hidden message earns bonus points, can you see one here?

As for hyphenation and punctuation in general I make sure that I
fallow exact spacing rules and don't do any thing fancy to avoid 
any issues.  Since I normally type a line first then spellcheck
and adjust it I don't need to contend with too much punctuation

But I didn't see any hidden message.  I would love for you to explain
that one.

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[Faux_Pseudo]:
>
>   But I didn't see any hidden message.  I would love for you to
>   explain that one.

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Kjetil T.			|  read and make up your own mind
				|  http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

 _.--- Kjetil Torgrim Homme spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ 
> [Faux_Pseudo]:
>>
>>   But I didn't see any hidden message.  I would love for you to
>>   explain that one.
> 
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I know a lot of wors but I didn't know that one.

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"Faux_Pseudo" <Fau...@yahoo.comERCIAL> wrote in message
news:slrnb131k9.7k.Faux_Pseudo@fugozi.cx1209071-a...
> _.--- Kjetil Torgrim Homme spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._
> > [Faux_Pseudo]:
> >>
> >>   But I didn't see any hidden message.  I would love for you to
> >>   explain that one.
> >
> > a
> > c
> > r
> > o
> > s
> > t
> > i
> > c
> > s
>
> I know a lot of wors but I didn't know that one.

Me too, lets see what Mr. Dictionary has to say about it.

acrostic: poem etc. in which first or first and last letters of lines form
word(s).

Ah, now I remember it. I think he was being a little bit too clever there ;-)

T.

Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kje...@haey.ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> [Faux_Pseudo]:
>>
>>   I see posts like this in the pl group frequently but it seems I
>>   and a few Slackware users I know  are the only English speakers
>>   doing this kind of work.
> 
> ah, but it's very much alive among Norwegian and Swedish hackers -- of
> course I use the word "hacker" in its original meaning -- and I'm sure
> real hackers everywhere keep this tradition alive.  in some newsgroups 
> or forums (in a Portacom clone I frequent) the art of making geometric
> shapes is the most important motivation for posting messages.  content
> to style ratio is often ~zero, nobody cares if the text is nonsensical
> if the rules for a tasteful "brick" are followed.  e.g. hyphenation is
> considered cheating, and obviously, so is adjusting the spaces between
> sentences.  a hidden message earns bonus points, can you see one here?

Elegant. For a beautiful example (indeed, a meta-example) of this, see
"Contracrostipunctus" by Douglas Hofstadter:

http://www.math.yorku.ca/Who/Faculty/Steprans/Courses/3500/GodelsTheorem/geb75-81.shtml


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