Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 4 Feb 1999.
Iiiiiiiiittss, Name That Compound!
alt.ascii-art
· 17 messages · 4 Feb 1999 - 7 Feb 1999
And here's your host, NOVASTAR!!
OK, I'm sad, and I was just playing about with ascii to see how easy it is
to represent chemical structures and (generous old me) thought you might
like to see how I got on (generous and foolish, that is :)
So, any stabs at the name of this biochemical molecule? And, for a bonus
point, it's better known name. You'll notice that the molecule is chiral
and I'm not *expecting* whether it's the levo or dextro form. I get the
feeling you're telling me to shut up, huh? Point taken!
H H
\ /
H N O
| | //
H-C---C---C
| | \
/ \ H H
| o |
\ /
--
The Novastar
Made in England
ICQ-17582207
http://come.to/novastar
> > H H > \ / > H N O > | | // > H-C---C---C > | | \ > / \ H H > | o | > \ / Oh my, real fun and games. This sure looks like 2-amino-3-phenyl propanal to me. Sorry, I don't know what the trade name is; have to drag a book out to see. Yes, it is obviously a chiral molecule, but no, you can't tell what it's specific rotation is without experiment. However, if I remember correktly, the proper way to determine that from experimental data would be: hhhmmmmm.... how to make proper character in standard askey?......... _ _ levo ___ / __ | / | / | () __ | () |() | \ |_ \ _| \ |___ dextro pretty crummy looking.... Anyway, some SOB stole my liquid chromatagraph. How the hell am I supposed to figure this crap out? An amino phenyl propanal.... what could this be good for? If I get the motivation, I will look it up and see. Are you hooked on this stuff, or just a casual user? Or is it good for making high-traction racing tires? You shouldn't post this kind of stuff... I might get started at it, myself. 10 to 1 my resources are better for it than yours..... Then again, perhaps you should leave me alone, and just let me be happy making cartoons. If you make a habit of this shit, I will not have time to make cartoons, but will keep my nose in my books. Thanks for the great post, anyway. I've enjoyed it more than any other in a month. JRO P.S.: I already sent you e-type mail, since I caught this on dejanews and didn't think it would show up on my news server. Obviously, it has. Now... where's my confirmation of correct answer?
Apologies to everyone else, but I'm afraid I have already
started.... Here's an alkyl sulfate which is not
recomended:
H O H
\ | | /
H--CO - S - OC --H
/ | | \
H O H
For clarification, the only double-bonds are
between the sulfur and the oxygen's. All others
are single bonds. Please answer with IUPAC name
(1 point) and common (trade?) name (10 points).
Have at it, Novastar! All others are also
invited in for fun+games.
JRO
oglesbee@
mail.fullnet.net
> > H O H > \ | | / > H--CO - S - OC --H > / | | \ > H O H > > > Have at it, Novastar! All others are also > invited in for fun+games. Well you've certainly stumped me. At first I thought "Ester!" of some kind then I thought a polypeptide. I'm really stuck! I've looked through every book I have, I'll have to ask a prof on Monday... Nova*
Novastar,
Surely, you may post the trade name of this here molecule, but only when
you know what it is. You have made a mistake here. There is no COOH group
on this here molecule that I see:
H H
\ /
H N O
| | // <-- double-bonded oxygen
H-C---C---C
| | \
/ \ H H
| o |
\ /
The double-bonded Oxygen located on the R group here indicates
this molecule is based on an aldehyde, the general formula of which
is this:
O
||
R--C--H or, if you prefer:
O
//
R--C
\
H
There's no room for argument on that. My answer of
2-amino-3-phenyl propanal
is completely correct. Look again, and you will see the
mistake (I assume) that YOU made.
I figger either you is tryin' to jerk my chain, or you better
go back an' ask your teacher about aldehydes.... Which is it?
Oh, and I checked my sent items in email, and did in fact discover
that I had emailed you the answer propanol; which is incorrect, and a
slip on my part I assure you (as corrected in post made just after your
quiz showed up on news reader). I thought I had emailed you propanal,
which was my mistake, purely.
Anyway, you work it out, and let me know soonest.
JRO
oglesbee@
mail.fullnet.net
"Novastar",
Appologies, young one. I just checked your web page. I hope my previous
post was not too acidic, as I did not intend it that way. Next time, just
make sure you got the right molecule you are trying to pose me with....
I already figured out you weren't "pulling my chain" and your error is
forgiven.
JRO
Novastar wrote in message <01be515f$0901abc0$046645c2@default>... > > >> >> H O H >> \ | | / >> H--CO - S - OC --H >> / | | \ >> H O H >> >> >> Have at it, Novastar! All others are also >> invited in for fun+games. > >Well you've certainly stumped me. At first I thought "Ester!" of some kind >then I thought a polypeptide. I'm really stuck! I've looked through every >book I have, I'll have to ask a prof on Monday... > >Nova* Excellent, Novastar! But I reccomend you NOT ask the proff ---- tell him you wish to synthesize this molecule as organic project. See how he takes that! Have fun, and let me know what he says..... Sometimes, ol' proffs miss things like that. Might take him a bit to even notice. Give it a try, anyway. JRO
> Oh my, real fun and games. This sure looks like > 2-amino-3-phenyl propanal to me. Sorry, I don't know That's odd, you said it was 2-amino-3-phenyl propanol earlier, well, I'm afraid neaither are correct. R-COOH is a carboxyllic acid, therefore the proper answer is 2-amino-3-phenyl propanoic acid giving you the hint that it's an amino acid. I won't tell you the trade name *just* yet unless you want me to. > Yes, it is obviously a chiral molecule, but no, you can't > tell what it's specific rotation is without experiment. Correct, unless you do what pasteur did and make crystals of the stuff. > However, if I remember correktly, the proper way to determine > that from experimental data would be: > _ _ levo ___ > / __ | / | / | > () __ | () |() | > \ |_ \ _| \ |___ > dextro Looks pretty good to me! Novastar
I've made another mistake, a silly one too. Oxygen has an oxidation number of 2, so thus it should be (I think). Most people would just write NO2 > > H > O | O > )\ H-C-H /( > O-N | N - O > \ / \ / > | o | > \ / (hehehe) > | > N > //^\\ (that one's hard > O O to do w/o a ctrl code) NS
Novastar wrote: > > I've made another mistake, a silly one too. Oxygen has an oxidation number > of 2, so thus it should be (I think). Most people would just write NO2 > > > > > H > > O | O > > )\ H-C-H /( > > O-N | N - O > > \ / \ / > > | o | > > \ / (hehehe) > > | > > N > > //^\\ (that one's hard > > O O to do w/o a ctrl code) > > NS [I'm _not_ getting into a chemistry debate (don't know much about the styff), just commenting on the ascii art and how to draw the molecule thingies.] Do you mean: O // N \\ O or: O /| N-O ? Diddle: O // N=O -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -
H O H
\ | | /
H--CO - S - OC --H
/ | | \
H O H
It's just DimethylSulfate. A contact poison, which
when absorbed through the skin.... don't do you much
good.
JRO
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Novastar wrote: > > And here's your host, NOVASTAR!! > > OK, I'm sad, and I was just playing about with ascii to see how easy it is > to represent chemical structures and (generous old me) thought you might > like to see how I got on (generous and foolish, that is :) > So, any stabs at the name of this biochemical molecule? And, for a bonus > point, it's better known name. You'll notice that the molecule is chiral > and I'm not *expecting* whether it's the levo or dextro form. I get the > feeling you're telling me to shut up, huh? Point taken! > > H H > \ / > H N O > | | // > H-C---C---C > | | \ > / \ H H > | o | > \ / > > -- > > The Novastar > Made in England > ICQ-17582207 > http://come.to/novastar Dextro rotary Lysergic asci Ditholimide trade name :Delsid First to synthesise Albert Hoffeman. at Sandos labs.... -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
Krogg wrote: > > Novastar wrote: > > > > And here's your host, NOVASTAR!! > > > > OK, I'm sad, and I was just playing about with ascii to see how easy it is > > to represent chemical structures and (generous old me) thought you might > > like to see how I got on (generous and foolish, that is :) > > So, any stabs at the name of this biochemical molecule? And, for a bonus > > point, it's better known name. You'll notice that the molecule is chiral > > and I'm not *expecting* whether it's the levo or dextro form. I get the > > feeling you're telling me to shut up, huh? Point taken! > > > > H H > > \ / > > H N O > > | | // > > H-C---C---C > > | | \ > > / \ H H > > | o | > > \ / > > > > -- > > > > The Novastar > > Made in England > > ICQ-17582207 > > http://come.to/novastar > > Dextro rotary Lysergic asci Ditholimide > > trade name :Delsid > First to synthesise Albert Hoffeman. > at Sandos labs.... damn....way off...jumped the gun on that one... anyway..ill try again...I know hardly a thing about organic chemistry... -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
> There's no room for argument on that. My answer of > > 2-amino-3-phenyl propanal > > is completely correct. Look again, and you will see the > mistake (I assume) that YOU made. > > I figger either you is tryin' to jerk my chain, or you better > go back an' ask your teacher about aldehydes.... Which is it? Yep, my mistake, please excuse that. I had meant to post the COOH but instead posted an aldehyde. You are correct. I assure you, my organic chemistry knowledge is at the very least, respectable!!! > quiz showed up on news reader). I thought I had emailed you propanal, > which was my mistake, purely. See, we all do it :) Well, the trade name of 2-amino-3-phenyl propanoic acid is Phenylalanine, an essential amino acid found in aspartame. Look on the side of a can of Diet Coke, you'll see! -- The Novastar Made in England ICQ-17582207 http://come.to/novastar
JRO <ogl...@mail.fullnet.net-remove> wrote in article <36bb981e.0@206.103.97.91>... > > "Novastar", > > Appologies, young one. Now hang on!!!! I'm not that young, I'm officially an adult in at least 26 countries!!!! > Next time, just > make sure you got the right molecule you are trying to pose me with.... Will do. NS
JRO <ogl...@mail.fullnet.net-remove> wrote in article > H O H > \ | | / > H--CO - S - OC --H > / | | \ > H O H Ok, my first real (though incorrect) stab in the dark would be a dimethoxysulphate, but the dbl bond O's are really killing me.. Is it an explosive?? Certainly looks like it could be. One of my favourite areas of chemistry, that..... H O | O \ H-C-H / O-N | N - O \ / \ / | o | \ / (hehehe) | N / \ O O NS
Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote in article > [I'm _not_ getting into a chemistry debate (don't know much about the > styff), just commenting on the ascii art and how to draw the molecule > thingies.] > > Do you mean: > > O > // > N > \\ > O > > or: > O > /| > N-O O // Neither, It's N( if drawn properly, it's a half bond between the O and the N \\ O Good to see people taking an interest in this stuff! NS
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