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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 25 Nov 2000.
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Is this Spam?! was (RE: PLEASE HELP! looking for a good web

Is this Spam?! was (RE: PLEASE HELP! looking for a good web host

alt.ascii-art · 26 messages · 25 Nov 2000 - 30 Nov 2000
Kevin Brideau <en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> ASCII art 25 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
for my new site) 
Reply-To: en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kevin Brideau)
References:  <3a1f038e$1...@news3.accesscomm.ca>
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet

Jon (jma...@aol.com) writes:
> Mike,
> 
> I highly recommend LFC Hosting, the host of my website for the past 8 months.  
> I have been extremely satisfied with their service.
> 
> I have been with quite a few other hosts, most of which took several days to 
> answer my e-mails and went down several times a month.  None of the hosts that 
> I have been with have come close to what my current host (LFC) provides when 
> it comes to customer service (their live support chat is awesome), reliability,
> automation, advanced features and capabilities (like their control panel, 
> which is just amazing), e-commerce support, and highly competitive plans.
> 
> Anyway, I received an e-mail from them several weeks ago saying they will pay 
> you $100 USD immediately just for switching your site to their service, which 
> means you would be paying next to nothing for their service for the first year 
> or so, it's definitely a deal to jump on.  Normally, this offer would normally 
> sound too good to be true, but I have grown to trust this company and I know 
> that they are doing some major marketing right now, so I'd definitely say to 
> try them out at least.
> 
> I'm not sure if the offer is still on, but I believe the e-mail said that it 
> was for the remainder of 2000.  Anyway, I would contact off...@lfchosting.com 
> for details; I highly recommend going with this host because, as you said, it 
> is way to easy to get ripped off by a semi-legitimate hosting company, and I 
> was incredibly fortunate to find this one :)
> 
> Also, I should mention that most hosts promise a seamless transfer of your 
> website, but this is the first host that I have been with that actually 
> followed through, so I wouldn't worry about the job of transferring your 
> site, they make it REALLY easy.
> 
> I highly recommend LFC Hosting to anyone doing business online, even if they 
> are already satisfied with their current host (they don't know what they're 
> missing); I intend to stay with this company for years to come, they have 
> helped my business tremendously.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Jon


Is it just me, or does this seem to be *very* clever spam?  First, let's
note, that this post is extremely off-topic (unless "Mike"'s website is
about ascii-art -- something he didn't say).  Also, in my newsreader, the
response showed up before the original article.  Plus there's the way the
two posts are worded -- they seemed to use the same "letter" format, not
something one normally finds on the Usenet.

I have to admit, this is pretty ingenius.  The first "post" was written
from an anonymous hotmail account.  The second is from an "official" AOL
account.  If someone in the group tells Mike to buzz-off and go take the
question to a relevant forum, he can just never answer.  And the follow-up
author can't be told to do the same.  *He* was just reply-ing.

Man...Spamers can Evolve.  Weird.

-KMB
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i don't think this is spam....
none of the companies would search newsgroups to see
whetere anybody is looking for a website hosting...

thought about that?

i don't think that this is the thread of one person (or whatever)
cause i don't think that someone is doing this in some newsgroups
just to get one or two more customers....

by the way: http://learn.to/quote

regards anyway
thomas p
tho...@gmx.at


> Is it just me, or does this seem to be *very* clever spam?  First, let's
> note, that this post is extremely off-topic (unless "Mike"'s website is
> about ascii-art -- something he didn't say).  Also, in my newsreader, the
> response showed up before the original article.  Plus there's the way the
> two posts are worded -- they seemed to use the same "letter" format, not
> something one normally finds on the Usenet.

christoph manz <zem...@usa.net> ASCII art 27 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
BFI wv107 <wv1...@bfi-kaernten.or.at> wrote:

> i don't think this is spam....
> none of the companies would search newsgroups to see
> whetere anybody is looking for a website hosting...
> 
> thought about that?

errmm, i guess you missed the point...  the thing is that the _first_
post seems to be fairly wague and could be part of the spamming...
also, as pointed out before, the second post seems not to be posted as
an follow-up...  so what acctually has happened is that the 'same'
person asked "How do I make money?" and replied "Call XXX-XXX-XXX"

> i don't think that this is the thread of one person (or whatever)
> cause i don't think that someone is doing this in some newsgroups
> just to get one or two more customers....

why not?  it's not more difficult to spam posting two message than just
one...  and it's a clever way to avoid any news-abuse reports which
could result in closing down the domain...

> by the way: http://learn.to/quote
>
> regards anyway
> thomas p
> tho...@gmx.at

oh god, and here i thought this was a typical german thing...  but it
seems that it's also an austrian bug ...  :/   afterall, do you consider
your post to be quoted 'correctly'?

[hint: insert posters name here!]
> > Is it just me, or does this seem to be *very* clever spam?  First, let's
> > note, that this post is extremely off-topic (unless "Mike"'s website is
> > about ascii-art -- something he didn't say).  Also, in my newsreader, the
> > response showed up before the original article.  Plus there's the way the
> > two posts are worded -- they seemed to use the same "letter" format, not
> > something one normally finds on the Usenet.

obascii:


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++ christoph ++
berlin, germany
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Kevin Brideau <en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> ASCII art 27 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
"BFI wv107" (wv1...@bfi-kaernten.or.at) writes:
(SNIP)
> 
> by the way: http://learn.to/quote
> 
> regards anyway
> thomas p
> tho...@gmx.at
> 

Sorry about that.  I didn't realize that my post seemed so poorly
formatted.  I usually lurk and rarely, if ever, do I create a thread or
reply.  Plus, I'm using poor computer equipment to access the Usenet.  I
have a 486 with a 2.4K/s modem.  There's no mouse hooked up, so I have to
manually delete *every* line.  Thus, I usually leave what I'm replying to
relatively intact.

-KMB
p.s. Like the snipping of your quoted text? :)  
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Kevin Brideau <en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> ASCII art 27 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Kevin Brideau (en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>
> There was no mention of how to contact the company given in the response.  I

My mistake.  While looking over the post again, I noticed that an email
address to contact the company is given.  

-KMB
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Kevin Brideau <en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> ASCII art 27 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
christoph manz (zem...@usa.net) writes:
> BFI wv107 <wv1...@bfi-kaernten.or.at> wrote:
> 
>> i don't think this is spam....
>> none of the companies would search newsgroups to see
>> whetere anybody is looking for a website hosting...
>> 
>> thought about that?
> 
> errmm, i guess you missed the point...  the thing is that the _first_
> post seems to be fairly wague and could be part of the spamming...
> also, as pointed out before, the second post seems not to be posted as
> an follow-up...  so what acctually has happened is that the 'same'
> person asked "How do I make money?" and replied "Call XXX-XXX-XXX"
> 

It's interesting, because in my newsreader, �the *reply* was posted two
hours earlier than the original query.

>> i don't think that this is the thread of one person (or whatever)
>> cause i don't think that someone is doing this in some newsgroups
>> just to get one or two more customers....
> 
> why not?  it's not more difficult to spam posting two message than just
> one...  and it's a clever way to avoid any news-abuse reports which
> could result in closing down the domain...
> 

It could be that this was just a test of a new way to spam by one person. 
There was no mention of how to contact the company given in the response.  I
just felt that given the context of the way the two articles were posted, it
seemed likely that it was spam.

Overall, I felt the Spamming, while clever and unique, to be very poorly
executed.  If someone tried, it could have been constructed better to
avoid responses typical of my own.

-KMB
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 .\\    //.   \\    KevinB: 97   Spiders: 0   *Evil* Spiders: 1     //

Krogg <kro...@gtcom.net> ASCII art 27 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Kevin Brideau wrote:

> have a 486 with a 2.4K/s modem.  There's no mouse hooked up, so I have to
> manually delete *every* line.  Thus, I usually leave what I'm replying to
> relatively intact.

If you are using Windows,then you can delete lines veryfast
even with only the keyboard....

Just place the cursor where you want to start
and hold down the shift key...press down/up till you get
to the line you want to end your snip...you will notice
that the text from where you started to where  you ended
is highlighted...let go shift key,press delete...

this way you dont have to delete char by char,but
line by line...much faster......

Obascii:

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Thomas P <tho...@gmx.at> 28 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
> so what acctually has happened is that the 'same'
> person asked "How do I make money?" and replied "Call XXX-XXX-XXX"

i see, sorry, my thoughts went crazy... sorry @ all, now i understand...


> oh god, and here i thought this was a typical german thing...  but it
> seems that it's also an austrian bug ...  :/

don't say something bad about austria! <german language> SONST HAU ICH DICH
;) </german>

> afterall, do you consider
> your post to be quoted 'correctly'?

i hope so, or was it bad quoted?



best regards,
thomasp

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:59:19 +0100, "BFI wv107" <wv1...@bfi-kaernten.or.at>
wrote:

>i don't think this is spam....
>none of the companies would search newsgroups to see
>whetere anybody is looking for a website hosting...

Well, I don't think it's spam either. But for different reasons. The original
posting was cut off by my ISPs spam filter, but the reply came in. I doubt
very much that the spammer would use a Freenet account to manually reply in
every group.

christoph manz <zem...@usa.net> ASCII art 28 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Thomas P <tho...@gmx.at> wrote:

[snip...]
> > oh god, and here i thought this was a typical german thing...  but it
> > seems that it's also an austrian bug ...  :/
> 
> don't say something bad about austria! <german language> SONST HAU ICH DICH
> ;) </german>

well, i guess compared to the germans the austrian surfers are mild with
their "i-tell-you-how-you-have-to-use-the-internet" complex... i mean,
have you ever visited a de.* group?  half of the time they discuss if
nick names should be 'allowed', how to quote or if this is an on-topic
post [i guess it isn't :] ..  kinda boring, really...

> > afterall, do you consider
> > your post to be quoted 'correctly'?
> 
> i hope so, or was it bad quoted?

well, not really bad, but a line stating who actually wrote the quoted
text would be helpful  ;]

obascii:

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++ christoph ++
berlin, germany
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Thomas P <tho...@gmx.at> 28 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
> well, i guess compared to the germans the austrian surfers are mild with
> their "i-tell-you-how-you-have-to-use-the-internet" complex...

now that you say it i notice it, too... that's right...

> i mean,
> have you ever visited a de.* group?

now, i've never visited a de.* group, cause they kinda boring.. (as you said
;)

best regards
thomasp

> well, i guess compared to the germans the austrian surfers are mild with
> their "i-tell-you-how-you-have-to-use-the-internet" complex... i mean,
> have you ever visited a de.* group?  half of the time they discuss if
> nick names should be 'allowed', how to quote or if this is an on-topic
> post [i guess it isn't :] ..  kinda boring, really...

Ordnung muss sein ? :)

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Krogg <kro...@gtcom.net> ASCII art 28 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Kevin Brideau wrote:
> 
> Krogg (kro...@gtcom.net) writes:

> The problem isn't exactly with my computer.  I connect to the Usenet
> through a free online service called the Freenet which I connect through a
> Telnet connection.  As such, it uses only text-commands.
> 
> I

fuck that.....there has to be a better free service than that...
I guess if thats the only thing you got then,you got what you
got,but,shit.....there must be a better way,Where do you live?

Obascii:
Last of the hydrogen baloons.......
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(((((
))))))




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Kevin Brideau <en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> ASCII art 28 Nov 2000 02:55 · permalink
Krogg (kro...@gtcom.net) writes:
> 
> If you are using Windows,then you can delete lines veryfast
> even with only the keyboard....
> 
> Just place the cursor where you want to start
> and hold down the shift key...press down/up till you get
> to the line you want to end your snip...you will notice
> that the text from where you started to where  you ended
> is highlighted...let go shift key,press delete...
> 
> this way you dont have to delete char by char,but
> line by line...much faster......
> 

The problem isn't exactly with my computer.  I connect to the Usenet
through a free online service called the Freenet which I connect through a
Telnet connection.  As such, it uses only text-commands.

I guess it would have been better if I describe my computer better.  When
I said I didn't have a mouse, I meant in relation to Internet access.  I
*do* have a mouse.  I just can't use it for what I use my computer for(The
Usenet + Email), so it doesn't really matter to me.  In fact I only use
the mouse once whenever I turn the computer(to maximize the window).

It's not that bad though.  When using the editor that edits my email and
usenet posting within the FreeNet, there is a provision to delete an entire
line of text(pressing CTRL-K).  But if you have a large posting (like the
original text I was refering to) it takes 2 seconds for the entire document
to adjust to pressing the CTRL-K Key once.  And if your like me, wasting
a minute or two deleting 35-40 lines of text can seem like an eternity.

Thanks for your suggestions, though.  I like the fact that Microsoft built
in so many keyboard commands when constructing Windows.  The one that I
probably use most(and was kinda surprised that it was still in Win95+98)
is ALT+TAB to switch documents.

Obligation Asscii-Art:

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-KMB
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Bateau <Its...@Not-A-Real-Address.com> ASCII art 29 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:59:19 +0100 "BFI wv107" <wv1...@bfi-kaernten.or.at> wrote:
>i don't think this is spam....
>none of the companies would search newsgroups to see
>whetere anybody is looking for a website hosting...
>
>thought about that?
>
>i don't think that this is the thread of one person (or whatever)
>cause i don't think that someone is doing this in some newsgroups
>just to get one or two more customers....

They're both part of the same spam, spammers do it all the time. Learn some shit
before you post to usenet.
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In article <3A2...@hotmail.com>, Veronica Karlsson wrote:
>Kevin Brideau wrote:
>> It's not that bad though.  When using the editor that edits my email and
>> usenet posting within the FreeNet, there is a provision to delete an entire
>> line of text(pressing CTRL-K).  But if you have a large posting (like the
>> original text I was refering to) it takes 2 seconds for the entire document
>> to adjust to pressing the CTRL-K Key once.  And if your like me, wasting
>> a minute or two deleting 35-40 lines of text can seem like an eternity.
>
>Does this mysterious editor have a name?

The odds are it's pico.  That's what I think the local freenet had as
a default when I used it some years back, and the description fits.

Pico does have a way to cut multiple lines at once.  It even shows the
command to do this on the status line sometimes if it detects too many
Ctrl-K keypresses.  Unfortunately, the command to set the start of a
block is some Ctrl-punctuation combination that's untypable on half
the keyboards I've used, making the whole feature rather less useful.

-- 
Ilmari Karonen - http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/
"The same teacher once took a class to the river to show them the effects of
lithium in water.  The problem is that generally when someone throws something
into the water, it's bread for the ducks.  His students got an unexpected
lesson on the effects of lithium in duck."  -- Zeborah in r.a.sf.c

Ilmari Karonen wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> >Kevin Brideau wrote:
> >> When using the editor that edits my email and
> >> usenet posting within the FreeNet, there is a provision to delete an entire
> >> line of text(pressing CTRL-K).
> >
> >Does this mysterious editor have a name?
> 
> The odds are it's pico.  That's what I think the local freenet had as
> a default when I used it some years back, and the description fits.

I see!


*opens pico*


^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Pg   ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos   
^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where is  ^V Next Pg   ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell  


*types Ctrl-G*

*help text shows up on the display*

[...]
        ^^        Mark cursor position as beginning of selected text.
                  Note: Setting mark when already set unselects text.
        ^K (F9)   Cut selected text (displayed in inverse characters).
                  Note: The selected text's boundary on the cursor side
                        ends at the left edge of the cursor.  So, with 
                        selected text to the left of the cursor, the 
                        character under the cursor is not selected.
        ^U (F10)  Uncut (paste) last cut text inserting it at the
                  current cursor position.
        ^R (F5)   Insert an external file at the current cursor position.
        ^O (F3)   Output the current buffer to a file, saving it.
[...]


*copies "llizard in the morning" to buffer*

*types Ctrl-^*   (yes, that's a three-button combination, but far from "impossible")

*hops down with Ctrl^V a couple of times*

*types Ctrl-K*

Oops! llooks llike llizard llost hher hhead aagain!


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Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.invalid> ASCII art 29 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
In article <3A2...@hotmail.com>, Veronica Karlsson wrote:
>
>*types Ctrl-^*   (yes, that's a three-button combination, but far from "impossible")

..if I could only get the terminal to pass it through.  Testing shows
that emacs registers it if running in its own X window or on the Linux
console, but not over either Eterm or Konsole.  At least Ctrl-_ works
here, unlike in the damn windoze SSH client at work.

ObAscii: a rather bad attempt at the paperclip from hell, but perhaps
good enough for this purpose.

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Yes, I do know how to get rid of it, even if getting rid of windows as
well isn't an option, thank you.  There are several ways, in fact -- I
rather prefer the more permanent one.

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Ilmari Karonen wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> >
> >*types Ctrl-^*   (yes, that's a three-button combination, but far from "impossible")
> 
> ..if I could only get the terminal to pass it through.  Testing shows
> that emacs registers it if running in its own X window or on the Linux
> console, but not over either Eterm or Konsole.  At least Ctrl-_ works
> here, unlike in the damn windoze SSH client at work.

Are you saying it thinks you mean Ctrl-Shift?   :-(

OK... Ever tried changing your keyboard layout? (one could put the '^'
as a "small letter" on some button that isn't used much...)

> ObAscii: a rather bad attempt at the paperclip from hell, but perhaps
> good enough for this purpose.

I'm not familiar with that one.


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Kevin Brideau <en0...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> ASCII art 29 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Krogg (kro...@gtcom.net) writes:
> 
> fuck that.....there has to be a better free service than that...
> I guess if thats the only thing you got then,you got what you
> got,but,shit.....there must be a better way,Where do you live?
> 

The National Capital FreeNet(FreeNet I'm referring to) is based Ottawa,
Canada.  It's *apparently* the largest FreeNet in the world with more than
60,000 people subscribed. (That last piece info is from a book I once read on
FreeNets--but it was published 3-4 years ago and is probably false now) 

It does *apparently* offer normal Internet access, but because of my
computer(insert big sigh here), specifically lack of available space on
the HD + poor modem + crappy display(its a 7 or 8 year old laptop) + lack
of everything else that makes an *average* computer, I can only use the
TelNet thing.

So...ya, fuck that. The Laptop has only a floppy drive, and there's more
space on a single floppy than whats left on the goddamn HD.  But its all I
got right now.  One day I shall  buy a new computer, and on that day I will be
happy(I'll be able to look at real porn, instead of the text kind:)) 

Obascii:

Me...as seen from an airplane:

                        Me -->  .       * *
                                            * <---Trees
  My Appartment Building-->   ~~~~~~~~
                              ~~~~~~~~

-KMB
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 .\\    //.   \\    KevinB: 97   Spiders: 0   *Evil* Spiders: 1     //

Krogg <kro...@gtcom.net> ASCII art 29 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Kevin Brideau wrote:
> 
> Krogg (kro...@gtcom.net) writes:
> >
> > fuck that.....there has to be a better free service than that...
> > I guess if thats the only thing you got then,you got what you
> > got,but,shit.....there must be a better way,Where do you live?
> >
> 
> The National Capital FreeNet(FreeNet I'm referring to) is based Ottawa,
> Canada.  It's *apparently* the largest FreeNet in the world with more than
> 60,000 people subscribed. (That last piece info is from a book I once read on
> FreeNets--but it was published 3-4 years ago and is probably false now)
> 
> It does *apparently* offer normal Internet access, but because of my
> computer(insert big sigh here), specifically lack of available space on
> the HD + poor modem + crappy display(its a 7 or 8 year old laptop) + lack
> of everything else that makes an *average* computer, I can only use the
> TelNet thing.
> 
> So...ya, fuck that. The Laptop has only a floppy drive, and there's more
> space on a single floppy than whats left on the goddamn HD.  But its all I
> got right now.  One day I shall  buy a new computer, and on that day I will be
> happy(I'll be able to look at real porn, instead of the text kind:))
> 

I feel for ya,maybe you will be treated for xmas or some other luck.
Well,Here's to better times.........

Obascii:
Poorly drawn mug of beer.

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Angel4rmMars <Ang...@bigfoot.com> ASCII art 29 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
On 29 Nov Ilmari Karonen enlightened us by saying:

>In article <3A2...@hotmail.com>, Veronica Karlsson wrote:
>>
>>*types Ctrl-^*   (yes, that's a three-button combination, but far from "impossible")
>
>.if I could only get the terminal to pass it through.  Testing shows
>that emacs registers it if running in its own X window or on the Linux
>console, but not over either Eterm or Konsole.  At least Ctrl-_ works
>here, unlike in the damn windoze SSH client at work.
>
>ObAscii: a rather bad attempt at the paperclip from hell, but perhaps
>good enough for this purpose.

[snip really good pic of really annoying paper clip]

>Yes, I do know how to get rid of it, even if getting rid of windows as
>well isn't an option, thank you.  There are several ways, in fact -- I
>rather prefer the more permanent one.
>
Can I plug RISC OS here?  Please?  Its sooo much better than windoze!
http://www.riscstation.co.uk or http://www.castle.org.uk - I never get
any of the problems u guys get!! ;)

Gemma
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Kevin Brideau wrote:
> It's not that bad though.  When using the editor that edits my email and
> usenet posting within the FreeNet, there is a provision to delete an entire
> line of text(pressing CTRL-K).  But if you have a large posting (like the
> original text I was refering to) it takes 2 seconds for the entire document
> to adjust to pressing the CTRL-K Key once.  And if your like me, wasting
> a minute or two deleting 35-40 lines of text can seem like an eternity.

Does this mysterious editor have a name?

Can you do cut-and-paste to and from this window? If you can somehow cut
it all out and paste it to notepad, do whatever changes you like, and
then paste back the result...


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On 29 Nov 2000 13:58:18 GMT, Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.invalid> wrote:

>Pico does have a way to cut multiple lines at once.  It even shows the
>command to do this on the status line sometimes if it detects too many
>Ctrl-K keypresses.  Unfortunately, the command to set the start of a
>block is some Ctrl-punctuation combination that's untypable on half
>the keyboards I've used, making the whole feature rather less useful.

If you don't want the block to start at the middle of a line, just hit ^K
several times.. Then move to another point and press ^U and all the lines you
cut get pasted.

Philipp Schwartz <phi...@gmx.de> ASCII art 30 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen wrote:
> 
> > obascii:
> >      o________o
> >      |XXXXXXXX|
> >     / .   .  /|
> >    /   .    / |
> >   / .   .  / /|      [A bed]
> >  /________/ /
> >  |________:/
>    |        |
> 
>             _________
>            /        /|
>           /  I     / |
>          /  (_)   /  |
>        ./_______./
>        |XXXXXXXX|
>       /_       /|
>      /( )  o  / |
>     /  T     /  |    [A tabletennis-table with ball and bats]
>    /________/
>    |        |
>    |        |
>    |        |


diddle:       __________________
             /        /        /|
            /        /  I     / |
           /        /  (_)   /  |
         ./________/_______./
         |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|
        /_       /        /
       /( )  o  /        / 
      /  T     /        /   [A tabletennis-table with ball and bats]
     /________/________/
     |                 |
     |                 |
     |                 |

Philipp

Henry Segerman <sjo...@sable.ox.ac.uk> ASCII art 30 Nov 2000 00:00 · permalink
Philipp Schwartz <phi...@gmx.de> wrote:

: diddle:       __________________
:              /        /        /|
:             /        /  I     / |
:            /        /  (_)   /  |
:          ./________/_______./
:          |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|
:         /_       /        /
:        /( )  o  /        / 
:       /  T     /        /   [A tabletennis-table with ball and bats]
:      /________/________/
:      |                 |
:      |                 |
:      |                 |

I want to play on this side, theres more table to hit over the other side...


: diddle:      __________________
:             /        /  I     /|
:            /        /  (_)   / |  
:          ./________/_______./  |
:          |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|
:         /_       /        /
:        /( )  o  /        /
:       /  T     /        /   [A tabletennis-table with ball and bats]
:      /________/________/
:      |                 |
:      |                 |
:      |                 |

Hmm, doesnt quite look right either, though at least in ASCII-measure, the two
sides are the same length.

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