Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art.animation, started 12 Jun 2000.
Woe!Woe! and thrice Woe!
alt.ascii-art.animation
· 9 messages · 12 Jun 2000 - 24 Jun 2000
I have now stared and stared at various version4 animations (Colin's,
Celia's, Valery's)
and have been unable to reproduce my own without getting errors. I can't
seem to find out where on this version (Netscape 4.73) to even find the
errors listed. My ancient old friend Netscape3.04 had handy windows
popping up that stated what line(s) the errors were on.
There's only one thing to do:
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In article <m8s...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk>, CJRandall <col...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > llizard writes > >I have now stared and stared at various version4 animations (Colin's, > >Celia's, Valery's) > >and have been unable to reproduce my own without getting errors. I can't > >seem to find out where on this version (Netscape 4.73) to even find the > >errors listed. My ancient old friend Netscape3.04 had handy windows > >popping up that stated what line(s) the errors were on. [snip] > i have a version of netscape 4.5 that doesn't show error reports > just says "type javascript into address window" and you get taken > to netscape.com ... huf! ... doesn't even give an error code > i'm sure there must be a switch for it but i haven't found it > > try the template: > > http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/templates/template532array.htm > > and to begin with see if it works ok [snip] > :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk > ' \___") --<<bErEALISTIC:-=oOo=-pLANfORamIRACLE>>-- . ___ / Oh Woe is me! _/ | \_,v=--- |_____| _/< ' --- == > ' [_____] __>,^ ' ejm | | //| | ___ _/ | \_,^^^=--- |_____| > '\ alas, I neglected to mention that --- == > ' I already did that. [_____] __>,^ ' ejm | | //| | I can't even get it to run WITHOUT making any changes at all. I get the same unhelpful error message that tells me to type "Javascript" into the location window. Double Hmmmph! Just to be sure, I went to your template again and saved the source code in my text editor to try again. Same sad result. NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent"; its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers. -- |\ llizard aka ejm | >\ cq547@freene+.+oron+o.on.ca _ |/_ \ http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/ _/< < | \ |___> >_| ,^> I'm so dejected.... -< <- == ---% / > [__\/_] / /__>,^ ejm | | //| | ASCII-ar+ & ASCII-anima+ions
llizard writes >In article <m8s...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk>, CJRandall ><col...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> llizard writes >> >I have now stared and stared at various version4 animations (Colin's, >> >Celia's, Valery's) >> >and have been unable to reproduce my own without getting errors. I can't >> >seem to find out where on this version (Netscape 4.73) to even find the >> >errors listed. My ancient old friend Netscape3.04 had handy windows >> >popping up that stated what line(s) the errors were on. >[snip] > >Just to be sure, I went to your template again and saved the source code >in my text editor to try again. Same sad result. > oh dear ... that is a problem i shall have to fix perhaps i can suggest checkout any of the anims that do work and start from there or get Celia's Alberto ANA3 prog. and check that out too i'm so sorry its messed up... looks like i'll have to recheck everything yet again ... several hours later ... I have just checked the latest versions i have both here at home with win98-Ie5, win95-Ie4, win95-Ns4.5 and at work on WinNT using Netscape 4.05 ... all worked OK i also checked what versions are on my website and they're OK too i simulated an error in the array format like this: " "+z+ " O"+z+ " /|\\"+z+ " / \\"+z+ " "+z+ <--- added a 'plus' to end of element , " "+z+ " O"+z+ " /|\\"+z+ " / \\"+z+ " "+z , " "+z+ etc... and Netscape 4.5 just said "javascript error" in the status-bar and not much else ... very disappointing unfortunately i'm at a loss as to what to suggest next altho' perhaps please e-mail me the downloaded version you obtained and i shall check it out \ / `-._ \ / _,-' ``--__`-._ _,-'__--'' \`--._ _,--'/ `~"'' ` ``"~' \ _) )---===---( _ [][ see yuz [][ colin -- . /\_/\ ( () /_ / /\) _/ /2 .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") --<<bErEALISTIC:-=oOo=-pLANfORamIRACLE>>--
CJRandall writes >llizard writes >> >>[snip] >> >>Just to be sure, I went to your template again and saved the source code >>in my text editor to try again. Same sad result. >> >oh dear ... that is a problem i shall have to fix hi ... i have made a couple of minimum templates (no control panels) there is a lot less to go wrong or generate errors please try them and give me your results this one is method-5 version 1 http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/templates/m5v1s.htm (3 kb) and this is method-5 version 2 with array interface http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/templates/m5v2a.htm (6 kb) ____________________ _. ____________________ `-.___ _ `-.<'\_.-' _ ___.-' `-.___ _ 7~ \ _ ___.-' `-.___ _ ( ) _ ___.-' `-.___ _ \ / _ ___.-' `-.___ _\/_ ___.-' /\ / \ /`--'\ /`----'\ `------' colin -- . /\_/\ ( () /_ / /\) _/ /2 .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") --<<bErEALISTIC:-=oOo=-pLANfORamIRACLE>>--
In article <7Wa...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk>, CJRandall <col...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > CJRandall writes > >llizard writes > >> > >>[snip] > >> > >>Just to be sure, I went to your template again and saved the source code > >>in my text editor to try again. Same sad result. > >> > >oh dear ... that is a problem i shall have to fix > > hi ... > > i have made a couple of minimum templates (no control panels) > there is a lot less to go wrong or generate errors > please try them and give me your results > > this one is method-5 version 1 > http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/templates/m5v1s.htm (3 kb) > > and this is method-5 version 2 with array interface > http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk/templates/m5v2a.htm (6 kb) Bad news: it won't run - same sad sad result as before. I'm wondering if the... . + . + | \/\/ (| | | (| |)) | |) || | (` . I just thought of something... _____________ /____________/| | _________ || | | 12 | || | | | || | |9 ,* 3| || | | ,'/ | || | |'___6____| || ejm |_____________|/ (a little time passes) It's as I thought! The STUPID Netscape4.73 was changing the source code! I just opened up your templates in Netscape3 (had to turn off javascript so I wouldn't get bounced off the page) and got the source codes from there. I revise my first statement of this message: Good news! The templates work! I'll let you know when I've done something more with them. NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent"; its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers. -- ___ llizard aka ejm cq547@freene+.+oron+o.on.ca _/ | ,^%--- |_____| __<_ \ Some of the "improvements" in Netscape4.73 --- == >/ leave a lot to be desired! [_____] __>,^ ASCII-ar+ & ASCII-anima+ions ejm| | //| | http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/
In article <394...@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com>, llizard wrote: > [snip] > Good news! The templates work! I'll let you know when I've done > something more with them. Things are finally starting to come clear. I have managed to get one to run without an error. http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/testvs1.html But I can't seem to add another frame without getting an unexplained error. (Stupid Netscape4.73 refers me to Javascript sites instead of pointing at the errors.) I also have to do some reading up on positioning in CSS. As you have seen from looking at my test, I know virtually nothing about that! _---_ / 0 \\ / 5 /5 \\ /10 / 50\\ |15 @ 45|| \20 40// \25 35// +. |, \ 30 // ||(,|\ _ -___- _/\ /___ejm___\/ NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent"; its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers. -- ___ llizard aka ejm cq547@freene+.+oron+o.on.ca _/ | ,^%--- ha |_____| __<_ \ ha I love animations! --- == >/ ha [_____] __>,^ ASCII-ar+ & ASCII-anima+ions ejm| | //| | http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/
llizard writes >In article <394...@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com>, llizard >wrote: >> >> Good news! The templates work! I'll let you know when I've done >> something more with them. > >Things are finally starting to come clear. I have managed to get one to >run without an error. > >http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/testvs1.html > very good test too! >But I can't seem to add another frame without getting an unexplained >error. (Stupid Netscape4.73 refers me to Javascript sites instead of >pointing at the errors.) > >I also have to do some reading up on positioning in CSS. As you have >seen from looking at my test, I know virtually nothing about that! > var top='12%'; var left='15px'; px is direct pixel address % is relative to page size there are other units of measure that can be used also > _---_ > / 0 \\ > / 5 /5 \\ > /10 / 50\\ > |15 @ 45|| > \20 40// > \25 35// +. |, > \ 30 // ||(,|\ > _ -___- _/\ > /___ejm___\/ > each frame has a sequential DIV ID eg: "t1" to "t"+(n_max) (n_max) = the last picture id number the templates that have an array interface auto-count the number of pics the other <div id> ones you have to set as you have done there is one other thing to consider and that is if your picture contains the character sequence </ then replace the < char with < i shall now reformat all the other templates to make them easier to cut'n'paste the vital bits and to add extra info describing the items you had most uncertainty about i did a 'save as' whilst using Ie5 on win98 at my own site and looked at it with notepad and it had loads of header garbage and meta stuff saying it was "Generated by Explorer" which is bull 'cos it was hand written by me and below that was a load of mush that was s'posed to be my code _ ~~ -\- ~~~~~T=_ ~ ~ `. ~~~~~T=_ ~~~~ ~ ~~~~~T=_*~~~~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~T=_*~~~~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~T=_*~~~~ ~~ ~ -----\------. =_*~~~~~ ~ ~~ `. `. =_*~~~~~ ~~ ~ `------\------------ thanks for your reply see yuz colin -- . /\_/\ ( () /_ / /\) _/ /2 .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") --<<bErEALISTIC:-=oOo=-pLANfORamIRACLE>>--
In article <acK...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk>, CJRandall <col...@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > llizard writes > >In article <394...@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com>, llizard > >wrote: > >> > >> Good news! The templates work! [snip] > >But I can't seem to add another frame without getting an unexplained > >error. (Stupid Netscape4.73 refers me to Javascript sites instead of > >pointing at the errors.) > > > >I also have to do some reading up on positioning in CSS. As you have > >seen from looking at my test, I know virtually nothing about that! > > > var top='12%'; > var left='15px'; > > px is direct pixel address > % is relative to page size > > there are other units of measure that can be used also [snip] > there is one other thing to consider and that is if your picture > contains the character sequence </ > then replace the < char with < Hi Colin; Many thanks for your reply. I moved the first test. It is now at: http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/ascii-animation/testvs1.html I tried to add another frame and do not understand the Javascript error message on line 33: http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/ascii-animation/timer_testvs1.html (I finally found out how to see the errors. I have to type "javascript:" into the location window. I made the mistake earlier of leaving out the colon.) Do I also have to encode + signs? + I am getting inexplicable errors on another one that is still on my desk top. It seems to choke when I put in the style colour codes.... Thanks for the explanation of the style position coding. I actually understood it for the animation itself. What I haven't got a handle on is how to position the text on rest of the page (titles, links, etc). I did it rather inelegantly with line breaks so that the links at the bottom of the page wouldn't overlap the animation. obascii: ,,,, .' `/\_/\ ' <@V@> <(((((((((( ) ( \!/ \(''''''\(\( ==ejm============`-"`-"=="="================== | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |\ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \ | | | | | | | | | | | |\ | | | | | | | ||\ | || || | NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent"; its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers. -- ^^7^^^7^%== llizard aka ejm cq547@freene+.+oron+o.on.ca ASCII-ar+ and ASCII-anima+ions http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/
llizard writes > >> there is one other thing to consider and that is if your picture >> contains the character sequence </ >> then replace the < char with < yep .. this means : if the char sequence </ occurs without being part of a valid HTML tag nothing else should need encoding > >I tried to add another frame and do not understand the Javascript error >message on line 33: >http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/ascii-animation/timer_testvs1.html > see below... >(I finally found out how to see the errors. I have to type "javascript:" >into the location window. I made the mistake earlier of leaving out the >colon.) oh wow! ... so now i know :) ... ace! > >Do I also have to encode + signs? + nope >I am getting inexplicable errors on another one that is still on my desk >top. It seems to choke when I put in the style colour codes.... hmmm... yes ... it appears to be something to do with cascading style blocks and yet all you've done is to duplicate "t5" to "t6" i have noticed problems like this before when trying to use style attributes in HTML tags ... especially with javascript they don't always respond the way one would think what i have done is to move the style attributes to a <style> block in the <head> with #id identifiers so that they are defined before rendering the <div> blocks //--></SCRIPT> <style type="text/css"> #s1 { background-color:#FFF6E9; color:#ff0000 } </style> </HEAD> ... and ... <div id="t5"> <pre> _---_ / <span id="s1">0</span> \\ <b id="s1">|\ | | | /` |</b> / 5 | 55 \\ <b id="s1">|/ | |\| \] .</b> generally i just use the <font color=...> tag altho' Meph uses the style shown above because it reduces the overall file size in this particular case the background colour is no different from the existing body background colour but when using Ns4.5 it doesn't produce the same colour ... odd! if the background-color attribute is omitted it appears for me the way i think you intended > >Thanks for the explanation of the style position coding. I actually >understood it for the animation itself. What I haven't got a handle on >is how to position the text on rest of the page (titles, links, etc). I >did it rather inelegantly with line breaks so that the links at the >bottom of the page wouldn't overlap the animation. yep ... this is so ... i generally use the <pre> tag as a spacer eg: <pre><font color=same_as_background_colour> . . this is a spacer . </font></pre> the animation <div> blocks become detached from the page when style positioners are applied causing them to be like transparent overlays i hope this is all clearer than mud :) ,._ ]((=- :* _:=- - - - - . _ `;._ _:-- - - - . _ ]((=- :* _:=- - - - -.'_ _:-- ,:'_ _:-- - - - ' ]((=- :* _:=- - - - - ' `' see yuz colin -- . /\_/\ ( () /_ / /\) _/ /2 .\ /\) /) .\ /_ /_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") --<<bErEALISTIC:-=oOo=-pLANfORamIRACLE>>--
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