The Big Hat Discussion

Quoted from a series of letters between myself and llizard (and please
don't kill me for this llizard!):


The Big Hat Discussion
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[Quoted: llizard, Unquoted: VK]

Wide hats are also nice... :)
 
> But fly off when bicycling. :^D
 

Not mine:

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(but I had to look in ten shops before I found one that didn't feel 
like
it was sitting somewhere on top of my head instead of _around_  it...)

>Does "_around_ it" mean too large or too small?  Most hats I find a way 
>to large for my head and I can't see.
>
>            _-'-_
>           /     \
>          |       |
>   _______|_______|________
>            \_O_/
>ejm97      __) (__
>          /  +++  \
>

I have a big head and most hats sort of sit on top of it with nothing
holding them in place, easy victims for the wind... :(


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>:^D

Alternative pictures in version 2.0 of the same letter:

I have a big head and most hats sort of sit on top of it, with nothing
holding them there and protecting them from the wind....

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  \             / 
   `.         .'  
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>:^D  I can't tell which version I think is funnier.

A good hat should get down far enough to fit _around_ the head:

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     .'         `.  
    /             \ 
   |               |
___|_______________|___
   |               |
   |               |
   |               |
    \             / 
     `.         .'  
       `-.._..-'    

>Quite right. I had the perfect wide brimmed straw hat that I was wearing 
>one day last summer when there was an unexpected deluge of rain. It 
>shrank when it dried and now it pinches my forehead and leaves a mark 
>when I jam it on my head. I, of course, have not found the perfect hat 
>to replace it and so continue to wear it. :^D

I have a hat like that, but I found that I have an old saucepan which is
just a little bit wider than my head so I wet the hat and forced it to
dry
on the saucepan. It worked =)

             _..--.._
          .'          `.
         (              )
         (      hat      )
          |`--..__..--'|\)
           `--..__..--'  |
           |          |  |
           |          |  | 
.-------.__| saucepan |  ()-------.
`-------'  `--..__..--'   \________`.

That saucepan is now no longer a saucepan but a hat size improvement
tool.

>That's a great idea. I will search the saucepan drawer and see if there 
>is a potential hat size improvement tool.

(I was lucky - I only have one saucepan... well, HAD one saucepan, right
now I don't have a saucepan so I borrow one from somebody else when I
need one... :D )

>:^D  Only one saucepan!! And now no saucepan except a borrowed 
>saucepan!!!  You'll starve.

I live in a "student corridor" remember, twelve students, one kitchen...

>Ai yai yai. I'd forgotten. You'll starve for sure!  :^D



Parallell thread:

> >Wide hats are also nice... :)
> 
> But fly off when bicycling. :^D
> 

Not mine:

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> Oh *that* kind of wide hat. I thought you meant:
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>             '     `
>            |       |
>  __________|_______|___________
> 

They are nice too, but not to use on bike


> 
> I have one like yours too that I pin a handkerchief to the back so it 
> looks like a Foreign Legion hat.
> 
>      ___
>    '     `
>   |       |
>   |_______|_____ 
>   |  |
>   || |
>   || |
>   || |
>   ||_|
> 

:D

I used to have one with mosquito net:

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   |xxxxxxxxxxxx|
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   |xxxxxxxxxxxx|
   |xxxxxxxxxxxx|

>How excellent! I should look into getting one of those. :^D

I just tried to use it as a "hair clip"... 


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/ /'
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That way there should be no risk of it falling off.... :D

>But what if the hat is so securely fastened to your hair that it pulls 
>your hair out in a high wind?  :^D

No, what wold happen would be that the front part tries to fly away but
is
stopped by the back part and the whole thing would just flop over my
head.... :D

> But what if the wind was so strong that the front part gets flipped back 
> and tears the hair out of your head?  :^D

no, all it would do would be to tear the hat away from the head... :D

>along with your hair if the wind was very very strong:
>      _______
>     '        `
>     \          \    /
>     _\          \  /
>   /' _\__________\/
>  / '\\
>  \\  \\          `  ` ```
>   \  \\\       `  ` ```  `
>    \ \\\\    `  ` ``  `  ~|
>     \  \\   ``  ` `  `  <@ \
>      \  \\   `  `   (     .'
>       \\\\)   `` `       _|
>        \\ \    ````     (_
>         \\ )     \      -'
>          ))      |     |
>                  |     |
>
>
>
>       `  ` ```
>     `  ` ```  `
>   `  ` ``  `  ~|
>  ``  ` `  `  <@ \
>   `  `   (     .'      _          |
>    `` `       _|      / \ \    /  | 
>     ````     (_       \_/  \/\/   |
>       \      -'                   .
>       |     | 
>       |     |
>
>
>        ha
>^^^^%---  ha
> "   \ ha
>

> I actually attach a barette to
> 
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>                    |         |
>                   _|         |
> this part--->   /' _\________|_____
>                / '|| ``  `  _|
>                || || `  `  <@ \
>                | |||   (     .'
>                ||||| `      _|
> 
> because my hair, even though it is very long, doesn't hold the hat on 
> well enough in the wind. (not enough hair?) 

???

There is a hole at the back of those things and I pull my hair through
that.... (well, actually I open the clip and then shut it again around
the
hair)

>Yes I do the same thing but in a high wind, the hat just slips down my 
>hair. If I attach a metal barette to the clip part and fasten it to my 
>hair, then the hat stays fixed to my head.

It isn't "tied" to the hair in any way.... If the hair has thickness 1
unit then the opening that it goes through is about 3 units big...

> Yes I do the same thing but in a high wind, the hat just slips down my 
> hair.

:D  I suspect the same thing would happen to me, but at least it would
slide down to somewhere near me, not fly away across the road or into a
ditch or something...


> Before I started fastening mine with a barette, I had one slide down my 
> hair and then fly in the wind across the road and under the wheel (dirty) 
> of a car before I could rescue it. 

ok, then that method wouldn't work for me either ..... but it feels
nice,
and it keeps my hair out of the way... =)

>:^)


More parallellism:

> If I attach a metal barette to the clip part and fasten it to my 
> hair, then the hat stays fixed to my head.

I haven't done that :D  [what is a "metal barette"?]

> Maybe you call it a slide? 

????? (picture?)

>back view of head:
>
>             _-|-_
>            /|||||\
>           |||||||||  <---hair
>           |||||||||
>            \|||||/
>             \|||/
> ejm97       [___] <---barette
>             /|||\
>            //|||\\
>           ///|||\\\
>          ((( ))) )))
 

yes, I got that part, but what does it look like (details)? and how did
you get that to stick to the hat?

>Sorry, I thought you didn't recognize the word "barette". I hook it into 
>the loop of the hat.
>
>                           _____
>                         '       `
>                        |         |
>                      __|         |
>barette goes here--> [___]________|_____
>                    / '|| ``  `  _|
>                    || || `  `  <@ \
>
>back of hat:
>            _____
>          '       `
>         |         |
>         |  _____  |
>         |_|=====|_|
>
>
>    _____
>  '       `
> |         |
> |  ____/\ |
> |_|===/ /_| <--- barette gets attached to the strap at the back
>       \/         and hair.



a bit of both really (and the little square doesn't really explain any
more than I had already guessed...)

Does it look something like this?


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   (`-._        _.-' .-'|
    `-._`------' _.-'  / 
  __    `-------'.-' .'
 (\_\_       _.-' .-'
  \(_ `-----' _.-'
     `-------'

>Yes. (Well done. I gave up trying to make that very thing.)



>                    _.-\\
>   (`-._        _.-' .-'|
>    `-._`------' _.-'  /  _____
>  __    `-------'=========     |
> (\_\_    |  _.-' .-'    |     |
>  \(_ `-----' _.-'_______|     |
>     `-------'                 |
>          |                    | <---hat
>          |                    |
>           \__________________/
>
>I had to do it upsidedown because I'm too lazy to turn your barette 
>around. Does that make it any clearer?

Yes :D
But doesn't that feel a bit uneven?

>No, you can adjust the hat and/or barette. There is no rule that says a 
>barette has to be at right angles to the hair.

What about the rule that says that it is uncomfortable when something is
uneven...

>:^D  Is this an aesthetic or a physical judgement?

Very physical! (I can't see the back of my neck but I can *feel* it and
I
go crazy if something feels uneven...)

>:^D  It can be adjusted so that it all fits. Did I say that you do not 
>put your hair through the loop of the hat? Only the barette is used to 
>hold the hat to the hair.

hmmmm....????

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>     / ))
>      //
>
>No need to take all that extra time to gather hair together to put 
>through hole in hat. You can just jam the hat on your head and fasten 
>the barette to some of the hair on the back of your head.

:D (didn't this whole thing start with the hair going through the loop?)
 
> :^D Oh, didn't I mention that I find it incredibly uncomfortable to put 
> my hair through the loop and that's why I devised the barette method in 
> the first place? 

No, I don't think you did, :D (I think it is very comfortable,
especially
when I should have washed my hair yesterday and want a reason to keep
wearing the hat indoors....)

>:^D


:)
I'm bad!

>It's supposed to be very good for the health of your hair to let it stay 
>oily....
>Sometimes, I'm bad too. It gets really scary if someone asks me if I 
>have just washed my hair because the comb lines are so visible.  :^D



Forking off again:

> No need to take all that extra time to gather hair together to put 
> through hole in hat. You can just jam the hat on your head and fasten 
> the barette to some of the hair on the back of your head.

hmmmm.... maybe..... but it would still be uneven.... 
 
> No, not so much that you notice. :^D 

I think I would probably notice.... :D

>Then you are like the princess and the pea?
>
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>|.   (       .      *      *|
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>       ! _                 _____
>       |(@} sigh       !  [03:01]
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>       | ||:o::::::::::|  |     |
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>ejm97  |               |  |_____|



:P

I WOULD notice! There is not twelve, and twelve more, mattresses 
between my head and my hat! :D

>:^D


[I hope that made sense]

-- 
:)
Veronica Karlsson
( e93...@sm.luth.se  http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ )