New Ascii Movies + open source viewer

Hello,

In addition to the new release of Jave I have put online the new Jave
Player project.

The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 

  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html

Have a look at it - it is fascinating.

Create such movies is very simple when using Jave for drawing Ascii art.
There is only one thing you have to do when finished drawing the image:
chose Menu->File->Save As Jave Movie. - That's all.
You can view this movie in the Jave Player. The Jave Player is an open
source Java applet.

For more information about the Player, the Jave Movie format etc. have a
look at:

  http://www.jave.de/player/index.html

Some days ago there was a message in this ng with a link to a julia set
cgi-script. I have played around with Jave, the new Jave Movie Format
and some algorithms and that's what came out:

  http://www.jave.de/player/demo2.html

It is a Jave Movie where you can see the famous Mandelbrot set in ascii.

Have fun,
Markus

PS: Don't forget to tell me what you think about it

PPS: This project is very very new and there is not very much
documentation at the moment. The Jave Player is not worked out very
well. So if you're into Java programming, why not have a look at it.

PPPS: Obascii Mandelbrot set (if you like it have a look at the movie)

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Hi,

I have added some informations to the Jave Player Project homepage:
1) The Jave Movie file format specification
2) How to write software to create Jave Movie files

If you are interested have a look at:
   http://www.jave.de/player/index.html

Markus

Markus Gebhard - Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:32:06 +0200

>The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
>others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
>the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 
>
>  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
>
>Have a look at it - it is fascinating.

You are right! This is great!
(Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
thought it's a german phrase...)

Ma�ion

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:14:25 +0200, Marion Koslowski <M...@Kasperhausen.de>
enlightened us with:

> Markus Gebhard - Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:32:06 +0200
> 
> >The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
> >others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
> >the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 
> >
> >  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
> >
> >Have a look at it - it is fascinating.
> 
> You are right! This is great!
> (Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
> thought it's a german phrase...)

Closest I can think of is "Kill two birds with one stone" but I guess they have
different meanings
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:09:49 GMT, stu...@bigfoot.com (Stuart Moore) enlightened
us with:

> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:14:25 +0200, Marion Koslowski <M...@Kasperhausen.de>
> enlightened us with:
> 
> > Markus Gebhard - Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:32:06 +0200
> > 
> > >The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
> > >others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
> > >the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 
> > >
> > >  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
> > >
> > >Have a look at it - it is fascinating.
> > 
> > You are right! This is great!
> > (Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
> > thought it's a german phrase...)
> 
> Closest I can think of is "Kill two birds with one stone" but I guess they have
> different meanings

Or possibly, if the original phrase means to use something far more powerful
than you need for the task you're doing, "to crack a nut with a sledgehammer"
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:14:57 GMT, stu...@bigfoot.com (Stuart Moore)
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:09:49 GMT, stu...@bigfoot.com (Stuart Moore) enlightened
>us with:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:14:25 +0200, Marion Koslowski <M...@Kasperhausen.de>
>> enlightened us with:
>> 
>> > Markus Gebhard - Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:32:06 +0200
>> > 
>> > >The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
>> > >others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
>> > >the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 
>> > >
>> > >  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
>> > >
>> > >Have a look at it - it is fascinating.
>> > 
>> > You are right! This is great!
>> > (Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
>> > thought it's a german phrase...)
>> 
>> Closest I can think of is "Kill two birds with one stone" but I guess they have
>> different meanings
>
>Or possibly, if the original phrase means to use something far more powerful
>than you need for the task you're doing, "to crack a nut with a sledgehammer"

yeah that's the one.. but "shooting with cannons on sparrows" is the
german one meant in this ascii animation because both the jave author
and afaik the artist are german

i wouldn't even know how to pronounce "tschilp" in english ;) sounds
quite funny the way i would say it
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lastfuture (Peter Marquardt) - Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:00:09 +0200

[movie showing the creation of "tshilp" is online]
>>> > >  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
>>> > (Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
>>> > thought it's a german phrase...)
>>if the original phrase means to use something far more powerful
>>than you need for the task you're doing, "to crack a nut with a sledgehammer"

*g* This could become the next animation!

>i wouldn't even know how to pronounce "tschilp" in english ;) sounds
>quite funny the way i would say it

Good question: Which 'language' do birds speak in english? "Peep"? :)

Ma�ion

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Stuart Moore <stu...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
SM> Closest I can think of is "Kill two birds with one stone" but I guess
SM> they have different meanings

"Using a sledgehammer to pound nails."

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>Good question: Which 'language' do birds speak in english? "Peep"? :)

usually "tweet tweet" is what i thought
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In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard  <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
> The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
> others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
> the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 
> 
>   http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
> 
> Have a look at it - it is fascinating.

It looks terrible in Linux Netscape. Not that that's particularly
surprizing: Java in Netscape on Linux for me has always screwed up
text. It seems to draw all characters as one pixel thick, so
everything is unreadable.

You wouldn't happen to know a workaround or fix for that, would you?

Elijah
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since you are a java programmer and all...

Eli the Bearded <*@qz.little-neck.ny.us> writes:

> In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard  <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
> > 
> >   http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
 
Excellent! That's the best animation player I've seen, the way you
update only the changed area makes it much smoother.

> It looks terrible in Linux Netscape. Not that that's particularly
> surprizing: Java in Netscape on Linux for me has always screwed up
> text. It seems to draw all characters as one pixel thick, so
> everything is unreadable.

Do you mean the line thickness or the character width?

It looks fine here in Netscape 4.77 although it hangs when playing
because of a bug in Netscape's VM. It runs properly in Mozilla with
the java plugin from the Blackdown jdk 1.3.

> You wouldn't happen to know a workaround or fix for that, would you?

If you have a jdk or jre >= 1.1 installed the appletviewer might be
better.

If your netscape is old it could be that it doesn't recognise
`Monospaced' as a font name, you could try changing it to `Courier'
in JavePlate.java line 113.

If your problem is the character width this applet might be usefull:
http://www.dmriley.demon.co.uk/tmp/fonttest.html (it will print the
character widths for the `Monospaced' and `Courier' fonts).

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ObAscii: no such file or directory
core dumped

> You are right! This is great!
> (Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
> thought it's a german phrase...)
>
> Ma�ion

Sparrows? In Finland we shoot at flies... :)

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:12:09 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have added some informations to the Jave Player Project homepage:
>1) The Jave Movie file format specification
>2) How to write software to create Jave Movie files
>
>If you are interested have a look at:
>   http://www.jave.de/player/index.html
>
>Markus
>

Not a java coder myself, but I did try my hand at animation with JAVE

I think it looks best at 8-10 fps

http://www.best.com/~mikechat/ascii/jmov/jball.htm
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In article<3b2...@news.ntlworld.com>, Stuart Moore
<stu...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:09:49 GMT, stu...@bigfoot.com (Stuart Moore) enlightened
>us with:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:14:25 +0200, Marion Koslowski <M...@Kasperhausen.de>
>> enlightened us with:
>> 
>> > Markus Gebhard - Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:32:06 +0200
>> > 
>> > >The idea for this project came from Andreas Freise. He wanted to show
>> > >others how Ascii artist draw Ascii art images. The first movie showing
>> > >the creation of "tshilp" is online now and can be viewed at: 
>> > >
>> > >  http://www.jave.de/player/demo1.html
>> > >
>> > >Have a look at it - it is fascinating.
>> > 
>> > You are right! This is great!
>> > (Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
>> > thought it's a german phrase...)
>> 
>> Closest I can think of is "Kill two birds with one stone" but I guess they 
>have
>> different meanings
>
>Or possibly, if the original phrase means to use something far more powerful
>than you need for the task you're doing, "to crack a nut with a sledgehammer"

 "Using a sledgehammer to crack a nut", as it's usually put.




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Eli the Bearded wrote:
> 
> It looks terrible in Linux Netscape. [...]

Could you send me a screenshot?

And the output of :
  http://www.dmriley.demon.co.uk/tmp/fonttest.html
would be very interesting too (many thanks to David Riley).

Markus

MJP wrote:
> >If you are interested have a look at:
> >   http://www.jave.de/player/index.html
> >
> >Markus
> 
> Not a java coder myself, but I did try my hand at animation with JAVE
> 
> I think it looks best at 8-10 fps
> 
> http://www.best.com/~mikechat/ascii/jmov/jball.htm

Cool idea with the waves. And wow, you must have edited the jmov file by
hand to create this movie w/o the steps of editing between the frames.
I hope I will be successful soon in adding a movie editor interface to
Jave...

Markus

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:14:47 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:

>MJP wrote:
>> >If you are interested have a look at:
>> >   http://www.jave.de/player/index.html
>> >
>> >Markus
>> 
>> Not a java coder myself, but I did try my hand at animation with JAVE
>> 
>> I think it looks best at 8-10 fps
>> 
>> http://www.best.com/~mikechat/ascii/jmov/jball.htm
>
>Cool idea with the waves. And wow, you must have edited the jmov file by
>hand to create this movie w/o the steps of editing between the frames.
>I hope I will be successful soon in adding a movie editor interface to
>Jave...
>
>Markus

try this one.......
http://www.best.com/~mikechat/ascii/jmov/snake.htm

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:14:25 +0200, Marion Koslowski <M...@Kasperhausen.de>
wrote:

>You are right! This is great!
>(Is there an english sentence like "Shooting with canons on sparrows"? I
>thought it's a german phrase...)

I like "Swatting flies with an anvil" the best.. :-)


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In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard  <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
> Eli the Bearded wrote:
> > It looks terrible in Linux Netscape. [...]
> 
> Could you send me a screenshot?

http://www.panix.com/~eli/A2I/java-ns.html

I am using 4.77, because I try to keep on top of the security updates.
I have looked at Netscape 6, but it seems too unstable still for real
use.

Elijah
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has been too busy to respond sooner

Eli the Bearded wrote:
> 
> In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard  <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
> > Eli the Bearded wrote:
> > > It looks terrible in Linux Netscape. [...]
> >
> > Could you send me a screenshot?
> 
> http://www.panix.com/~eli/A2I/java-ns.html

Wow, your Netscape installation has a severe problem with fonts. This is
not a problem that can be fixed by the applet. Your browsers virtual
machine has some misconfiguration with fonts but I have no idea about
how to fix it :(

Markus

In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard  <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
> Eli the Bearded wrote:
> > http://www.panix.com/~eli/A2I/java-ns.html
> Wow, your Netscape installation has a severe problem with fonts. This is
> not a problem that can be fixed by the applet. Your browsers virtual
> machine has some misconfiguration with fonts but I have no idea about
> how to fix it :(

It has functioned like this for as long as I remember. I've done at
least four complete updates of Netscape during that time: rename the
netscape directory, unpack a new distribution and run it out of the
new directory.

Elijah
------
normally has java turned off anyway (often javascript is turned off, too)

Eli the Bearded <*@qz.little-neck.ny.us> writes:

> In alt.ascii-art, Markus Gebhard  <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
> > Eli the Bearded wrote:
> > > It looks terrible in Linux Netscape. [...]
> > 
> > Could you send me a screenshot?
> 
> http://www.panix.com/~eli/A2I/java-ns.html

My netscape looks in this file:

/usr/lib/netscape/477/communicator/java/classes/font.properties

for fonts. Maybe some are missing or corrupted on your system?

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