Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 3 Apr 2001.
Jave: New Version released
alt.ascii-art
· 29 messages · 3 Apr 2001 - 20 Apr 2001
Hi,
I just want to let you know that I have released a new version of my
ascii editor Jave.
It can be downloaded as freeware from:
http://www.jave.de
New Features include:
- edit multiple documents at the same time (switch with page up/down or
Ctrl-Tab)
- new professional ascii art line styles:
1) Veronica:
| | | | / /
| | | / / .' .'
| | / | / / .'
| | | / / .' .' .-'
| | | | / / .' .-'
| / / / / .' .' .-'
| | | | / / .' .-' _.-'
| | | / / .' .' .-' _.-'
| | / | / / .' .-' _.-'
| | | / .' .' .-' _.-'
| | | | / .' .-' _.-'
| / / /.'.' .-'_.-'____......------''''
2) Glory:
: : : : ; ;
: : : ; ; ,' ,'
: : ; : ; ; ,'
: : : ; ; ,' ,' ,-'
: : : : ; ; ,' ,-'
: ; ; ; ; ,' ,' ,-'
: : : : ; ; ,' ,-' ,-~'
: : : ; ; ,' ,' ,-' ,-~'
: : ; : ; ; ,' ,-' ,-~'
: : : ; ,' ,' ,-' ,-~'
: : : : ; ,' ,-' ,-~'
: ; ; ;,',' ,-',-~',,,,------~~~~~~''''
3) Segerman JFL:
L L L | J J J / /
J | L | J | F / .' .'
L J | | | F J / / .'
J L | | | J F / .' .' .-'
L | J | F | J / / .' .-'
J J J | F F F / .' .' .-'
L L L | J J J / / .' .-' _.-'
J | L | J | F / .' .' .-' _.-'
L J | | | F J / / .' .-' _.-'
J L | | | J F .' .' .-' _.-'
L | J | F | J / .' .-' _.-'
J J J | F F F.'.' .-'_.-'____......------''''
- bug fixes
regards,
Markus
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:44:16 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> provoked the following text: >Hi, > >I just want to let you know that I have released a new version of my >ascii editor Jave. >It can be downloaded as freeware from: > http://www.jave.de Ahem... 404... -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. An elephant is a mouse with an operating system.
Try it again. I was just there and the page works fine. Laura On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:08:03 GMT, ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote: >On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:44:16 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> >provoked the following text: > >>Hi, >> >>I just want to let you know that I have released a new version of my >>ascii editor Jave. >>It can be downloaded as freeware from: >> http://www.jave.de > >Ahem... 404... >-- > Peter Punk > \ / > ---\\\\--- > / \ > >Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? >Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html >voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. > >An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. ------------------------------------------------ |> ...for you are /_\ crunchy and taste ( |\/| ._._|_|_._. good dipped in ) .---._(qp) |_|_|#|_|_| chocolate. (_(_,_(_,-^^ (( ______________________))_____________________ldb
> >It can be downloaded as freeware from: > > http://www.jave.de > > Ahem... 404... Oddly this happens sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. It has happend to me before.
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:44:16 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
Hi,
I just want to let you know that I have released a new version of my
ascii editor Jave.
It can be downloaded as freeware from:
http://www.jave.de
New Features include:
- edit multiple documents at the same time (switch with page up/down or
Ctrl-Tab)
- new professional ascii art line styles:
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| ( )
| /
| \
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\ / \ | \+ |
\ ; : | : |
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'-' \
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; \ -' / / \ / / / '- -' \
| -'-' -/-' :
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well, it could make them eyes more rounded, but I could fix that if I were serious about
that face
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:58:47 GMT, she...@lycos.com (SheDragon) provoked the
following text:
>Try it again. I was just there and the page works fine.
This time it worked, but i did have to upgrade my Java.
BTW: i found a bug right away, when i try to move the tool options window, it
jumps around as if i am trying to kill it and disappears...
Also, i can't seem to find those new linestyles, where are they hidden?
--
Peter Punk
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Peter Punk wrote: > > This time it worked, but i did have to upgrade my Java. > BTW: i found a bug right away, when i try to move the tool options window, it > jumps around as if i am trying to kill it and disappears... What operating system and Java version do you use? I have made a workaround for that and wonder why it does not work for you... > Also, i can't seem to find those new linestyles, where are they hidden? They are to be found in the tool options window that just left your screen :-/ Just chose the line tool on the left toolbar. BTW: My provider seems to have lots of trouble with their web servers at the moment. My homepage should work fine again soon. Markus
> - new professional ascii art line styles: > > 1) Veronica: > | | | | / / > | | | / / .' .' > | | / | / / .' > | | | / / .' .' .-' > | | | | / / .' .-' > | / / / / .' .' .-' > | | | | / / .' .-' _.-' > | | | / / .' .' .-' _.-' > | | / | / / .' .-' _.-' > | | | / .' .' .-' _.-' > | | | | / .' .-' _.-' > | / / /.'.' .-'_.-'____......------'''' > > 2) Glory: > : : : : ; ; > : : : ; ; ,' ,' > : : ; : ; ; ,' > : : : ; ; ,' ,' ,-' > : : : : ; ; ,' ,-' > : ; ; ; ; ,' ,' ,-' > : : : : ; ; ,' ,-' ,-~' > : : : ; ; ,' ,' ,-' ,-~' > : : ; : ; ; ,' ,-' ,-~' > : : : ; ,' ,' ,-' ,-~' > : : : : ; ,' ,-' ,-~' > : ; ; ;,',' ,-',-~',,,,------~~~~~~'''' > > 3) Segerman JFL: > L L L | J J J / / > J | L | J | F / .' .' > L J | | | F J / / .' > J L | | | J F / .' .' .-' > L | J | F | J / / .' .-' > J J J | F F F / .' .' .-' > L L L | J J J / / .' .-' _.-' > J | L | J | F / .' .' .-' _.-' > L J | | | F J / / .' .-' _.-' > J L | | | J F .' .' .-' _.-' > L | J | F | J / .' .-' _.-' > J J J | F F F.'.' .-'_.-'____......------'''' > - bug fixes Hmmm .. this needs something. MY style ! I'll go clean up my shapes and lines diagram to make it more apealing to the public .. some very good stuff in it - I use it constantly. Meanwhile .. You can only use theese in the line tool not with free draw or arrow or shape. And the shape tool needs improvement .. thoose circles are not really round. Also .. consider putting dialog boxes under shapes as they are basicly different styles of boxes. Something like Arrows are basicly lines with an added arrow. Why not instead have freehand , line and shape drawmodes and make the arrow(heading of dialog box in case of shape drawing) an option to theese modes (with choice of different types of modes). This also makes the arrow available to freehand drawing (The direction the line was going at the very end determines the direction of the arrow). Fill mode desperatly needs options to fill with other characters than X .. the best would be patterns like .. err .. that other big ascii editor .. which name seems to escape me right now. And shading would be nice too .. you choose a start "color" and an end "color" and the direction to draw the shade in -- I'm thinking like Deluxe Paint use to do it ( i believe you can still find version 2 for the PC somewhere .. ofcourse if you have version 3 or 4 for amiga that's perfect. It would also be a good thing if you could draw a line/shape/whatever and have the text tool use the line/shape as a path for typing text. An example from my shape and styles file : [Sentence drawing] - ( Drawing with characters aligned so they actually spell something! ) ught i ca n m a ' ... t I . . i ! m ! ! e p !pool l e H Other notes : Move all tools that draw some to the left toolbar and the rest to the top toolbar. This IMO makes more sense when they are grouped after function. Fx "textbox" i think should be moved next to "text" Figlet , image 2 ascii and makro are already grouped and so they should be. BTW I suggest renaming makro to clipart which is a more used and known term and besides "makro" is german (and danish btw) spelling .. not english - thats Macro .. But as I said - Clipart makes more sense to most people as most people know what clipart is. Figlet tool needs some form of overview to quickly see what fonts are the best. I suggest moving all dingbat fonts out of figlet and into clipart and group the fonts after type. They should probably be sorted after size mainly .. since most likely you know what size letters you need for your image. There is no need to view all the really huge ones when you need a max 4 line font. I suggest the following groups : Small , medium , large/huge , 3D , Special (fx. decimal , hex , digital, morse, katana .. etc) Howabout a button that opens a scrollable textwindow with all the fonts in one group spelling the words you choose. An ability to bookmark your favourite fonts would be nice too. Image to ascii. I think better conversions could be achieved (with some images) if Jave had an option to find edges (trace contours) in an image like many pixeldrawing programs have. When I convert an image I usually find edges or reduce the bitdepth (without dithering) to simplify the image so a clean conversion becomes easier. Also I would be nice to have some control over what character the converter can use. I usually prefer a very limited amount of characters for shading while the typiccal converter uses the entire spectrum of character which can make a converted image look messy. I mainly use the round and more shape neutral characters for shading. Characters like : .:%oO8 seem the best , sS&@# also fair .. but LITVE .. etc are not good since they aren't so round to the eye and are much more likely to be seen as detail than shading. The perfect converter should be able to distinquis (how do you spell that ?) between what parts of an image was detail and lines and what parts were shading. It would also be nice if the converter could load bmp, jpg , gif and png - Correctly ! ( Jave refuses to load some bmp's while happily loads others .. this must be a bug ) Also It would be nice if the load dialog could filter out all non-supported filetypes (instead of just showing *.*). And how about the "plasticbag technique" ? .. Showing an image in the background of the editor (resizeable and moveable and more or less opague) to serve as a guide for making the ascii-version by hand on top of the picture. Alignment in the textbox dialog also does nothing since the box autosizes to the text. It would be better to have aligment as an option to the select tool so you could select an area and f.x center the ascii inside the selection - Both horizontally and vertically. Now that we are at the selection tool .. congratulations on the mirror function .. it's very good. Interface-wise I would like to keyboard shurtcuts for most tools .. along with keys that when held down temporarily change the tool or function to something else F.x if you were in text mode and typing away and then needed to move something you could f.x hold down CTRL or whatever or (as long as it's a function key or a combination of two function keys) and quickly select an area .. move it and then release CTRL. Preferably the keys should work as they normally do in drawing programs. F.x "CTRL" & "+" or "CTRL" & "-" almost always zooms in and out in drawing programs. Or like SHIFT always forces a elipse to be perfectly round or a line to only draw in major angles like : 0, 45 and 90 degrees .. (ofcourse with ascii I think this should be the angles draw as certain styles) Like angled lines theese by VK > | | | | / / > | | | / / .' .' > | | / | / / .' > | | | / / .' .' .-' > | | | | / / .' .-' > | / / / / .' .' .-' > | | | | / / .' .-' _.-' > | | | / / .' .' .-' _.-' > | | / | / / .' .-' _.-' > | | | / .' .' .-' _.-' (maybe one more line here) > | | | | / .' .-' _.-' > | / / /.'.' .-'_.-'____......------'''' I also think a "Snap to grid" option would be nice so you could sure all your lines started from f.x the center of a "cell" or on a grid line It's getting late and I need to sleep so I will have stop writing soon althought I could probably think of more .. and I didn't even get to clean up my shapes and lines and post them. Just a few more quick suggestions while I can remember them. A brainstorm. * an option to smooth out freehand curves by having the program try to do them as splines or bezier curves * This heart (found in Makro's) was originally done by me and some other artist ( a female ). We discussed this a while back - I found out to my surprise that I was not the first to create this heart. Can someone remember who first created it ? .-. .-. ( ` ) `. .� `.� I have several other nice hearts too. * Better cicles (will post some tomorrow) * Better boxes .. especially the rounded ones and dialog boxed ( will also post some tomorrow ) OK an example : This is a Jave rounded box _-------------_ / \ | | \_ _/ ------------- Theese are some CeeJay rounded boxes ,---------------. | | | | `---------------' ,-------------. _ _ / \ (#)-(#) | SPECIAL PRICE! ) `'.'' \ / `-.o( )o `-------------' `0-0' (Cool.. disney toys are on sale this week.) .-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ( Kind ) ( Regards ) '._._._._._._._.' .---------------. ( C e e J a y ) `---------------' $ System is going down for maintenance -- Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes.
Hello Christian, Thank you very much for your long list of suggestions, ideas and comments. This will help me a lot to improve my little tool. But I have one question to you: If I implement only 50% of your suggestions, how much will you pay for that? ;-) Ok, I will consider implemention some of your suggestions. I do this for fun and if it stops making fun I will not continue doing it. > And the shape tool needs improvement .. thoose circles are not really round. You are right - but can you provide an algorithm that draws good circles (in any size)? > Something like Arrows are basicly lines with an added arrow. Yep, I have not had any time thinking about arrows during the last few weeks. I have improved the other tools so much - I will take care of the arrows later. > This also makes the arrow available to freehand drawing (The direction the > line was going at the very end determines the direction of the arrow). Already thought about that... > Fill mode desperatly needs options to fill with other characters than X You can chose any character (for left and right mouse button) at the bottom toolbar. > .. the > best would be patterns like .. err .. that other big ascii editor .. which > name seems to escape me right now. > And shading would be nice too .. you choose a start "color" and an end "color" > and the direction to draw the shade in Already thought about that and I will consider implementing it. > It would also be a good thing if you could draw a line/shape/whatever and have > the text tool use the line/shape as a path for typing text. > > An example from my shape and styles file : > > [Sentence drawing] - ( Drawing with characters aligned so they actually spell > something! ) > > ught i > ca n > m a > ' ... t > I . . i > ! m > ! ! e > p !pool > l > e > H Great idea! It is: a) cool b) easy to implement -> You will see it in one of the next releases of Jave. > BTW I suggest renaming makro to clipart which is a more used and known term > and besides "makro" is german (and danish btw) spelling .. not english - thats > Macro .. But as I said - Clipart makes more sense to most people as most > people know what clipart is. You are right, I don't know why I did not yet change it... > Figlet tool needs some form of overview to quickly see what fonts are the > best. Correct. > I suggest moving all dingbat fonts out of figlet and into clipart and group > the fonts after type. > They should probably be sorted after size mainly .. since most likely you know > what size letters you need for your image. > There is no need to view all the really huge ones when you need a max 4 line > font. > I suggest the following groups : > > Small , medium , large/huge , 3D , Special (fx. decimal , hex , digital, > morse, katana .. etc) Ok, what about that: For each category write a text file containing the names of the fonts for it (use all the names from the Jave FIGlet tool). Send those files as e-mail and I will integrate/implement this feature. You know: The only problem is _time_. I am sure it will take some time... > Howabout a button that opens a scrollable textwindow with all the fonts in one > group spelling the words you choose. I tried that feature some months ago: The text bacame far too long to be displayable in a textbox. The program crashed or so... > Image to ascii. > I think better conversions could be achieved (with some images) if Jave had an > option to find edges (trace contours) in an image like many pixeldrawing > programs have. I have played around with algorithms and found that it does not seem to make sense to use edge detection filters. Adjusting the sharpness will give you enough control about contours. But we should discuss that topic after the image2ascii competition (see other thread in this newsgroup). > When I convert an image I usually find edges or reduce the bitdepth (without > dithering) to simplify the image so a clean conversion becomes easier. My algorithms do that automatically during conversion - why should it be done with the raw image before?? > Also I would be nice to have some control over what character the converter > can use. > I usually prefer a very limited amount of characters for shading while the > typiccal converter uses the entire spectrum of character which can make a > converted image look messy. > > I mainly use the round and more shape neutral characters for shading. > Characters like : > > .:%oO8 seem the best , sS&@# also fair .. but LITVE .. etc are not good since > they aren't so round to the eye and are much more likely to be seen as detail > than shading. Have a closer look on my tool: On the right side you can chose 3 different algorithms for conversion. Default is "4 pixels per character". There it does not make sense to change the characters manually. But you can chose the algorithm "1 pixel per character" and then will see a set of grayscales: MWNHKQDXS65YJtjci=+>!;:~'.� You can enter any characters you prefer :-) > The perfect converter should be able to distinquis (how do you spell that ?) > between what parts of an image was detail and lines and what parts were > shading. Before writing the perfect converter we should find out more about such kind of conversions - I expect the competition to be a good base for discussions about better algorithms. > It would also be nice if the converter could load bmp, jpg , gif and png - > Correctly ! > ( Jave refuses to load some bmp's while happily loads others .. this must be a > bug ) No, it is an undocumented feature: I added support for "some bmp-files" - this is better than none ;-) I will add other file formats as soon as I find image codecs that are not restricted by software licences. GPL will not work - I do not want to publish the source code for Jave. > Also It would be nice if the load dialog could filter out all non-supported > filetypes (instead of just showing *.*). Unfortunately that is a problem depending on Java :-( There is no workaround. But you might want to have a look at File->Browse. > And how about the "plasticbag technique" ? .. Showing an image in the > background of the editor (resizeable and moveable and more or less opague) to > serve as a guide for making the ascii-version by hand on top of the picture. Great idea. I will think about it. > Alignment in the textbox dialog also does nothing since the box autosizes to > the text. Try to enter more than one line of text. It will work fine then :-) You see where there is a very big problem: There is no documentation available :-( Who wants to write one? > It would be better to have aligment as an option to the select tool so you > could select an area and f.x center the ascii inside the selection - Both > horizontally and vertically. Good idea. > Interface-wise I would like to keyboard shurtcuts for most tools > ... > Preferably the keys should work as they normally do in drawing programs. > F.x "CTRL" & "+" or "CTRL" & "-" almost always zooms in and out in drawing > programs. I will add shortcuts from time to time - any suggestions are welcome. > Or like SHIFT always forces a elipse to be perfectly round or a line to only > draw in major angles like : 0, 45 and 90 degrees .. (ofcourse with ascii I > think this should be the angles draw as certain styles) Already considered that - problem is: time. > I also think a "Snap to grid" option would be nice so you could sure all your > lines started from f.x the center of a "cell" or on a grid line What about golden doorhandles? ;-) > It's getting late and I need to sleep so I will have stop writing soon > althought I could probably think of more .. and I didn't even get to clean up > my shapes and lines and post them. Feel free to post any idea you have. The most useful/cool ones often are the ones easiest to implement. > * an option to smooth out freehand curves by having the program try to do them > as splines or bezier curves Is 24 carat ok? > I have several other nice hearts too. If I may add them as cliparts to the next release of Jave please post them. > $ System is going down for maintenance Mine has run hot... > Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes. Credo, quia absurdum. Good night, Markus
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:49:31 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> provoked the following text: >Peter Punk wrote: >> >> This time it worked, but i did have to upgrade my Java. >> BTW: i found a bug right away, when i try to move the tool options window, it >> jumps around as if i am trying to kill it and disappears... > >What operating system and Java version do you use? I have made a >workaround for that and wonder why it does not work for you... I use Win2k Pro with all servicepacks and updates. The Java version i have is 1.3.0.02 (the latest, i followed the link on your site the other day) >> Also, i can't seem to find those new linestyles, where are they hidden? > >They are to be found in the tool options window that just left your >screen :-/ Just chose the line tool on the left toolbar. ROFL!!! Ah, there they are! Now just let me get that tool options screen out of the... DANG!!!! :-))) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. An error is the meanest form of revenge a computer knows. This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://huizen.dds.nl/~phranc/
In article <3AC...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Markus Gebhard wrote: > >You are right - but can you provide an algorithm that draws good circles >(in any size)? You can already draw lines, right? First divide the circle into four quadrants: left, right, top, bottom. Basic trigonometry should tell you where each quadrant begins and ends, and also let you compute the height of the arc for each character between the beginning and the end. Then you just have to "connect the dots". Actually, you _could_ do Bezier curves that way too.. -- . _, .. j u s t. h o w l.i n g i n .t h e n.i g h t .. ._, . , )'' . /\_ . ' ,/\ . , ``( , _\__/ |__.'\._______,--;_'_`-.___,.______,/_,_`.__,-.__'__,/`-._,_| \____ ,_f_)\. Ilmari Karonen ilt...@sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ /(_|_,.
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:54:04 +0200, "Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen" <new...@CeeJay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text: >There is no need to view all the really huge ones when you need a max 4 line >font. >I suggest the following groups : > >Small , medium , large/huge , 3D , Special (fx. decimal , hex , digital, >morse, katana .. etc) But what if you add your own font? How could Jave "see" what kind of font that is, without deviating from the standard formatting in the FLF? >It would also be nice if the converter could load bmp, jpg , gif and png - >Correctly ! >( Jave refuses to load some bmp's while happily loads others .. this must be a >bug ) You're already warned in the program that BMP-support is still experimental. >Also It would be nice if the load dialog could filter out all non-supported >filetypes (instead of just showing *.*). Agreed. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. Excellent day to have a rotten day.
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:54:04 +0200, "Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen"
<new...@CeeJay.cjb.nOt> wrote:
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Looks a lot like this one I made. I like mine better. ;)
Laura
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>* This heart (found in Makro's) was originally done by me and some other
>artist ( a female ).
>We discussed this a while back - I found out to my surprise that I was not the
>first to create this heart.
>Can someone remember who first created it ?
> .-. .-.
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> `. .�
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>
>I have several other nice hearts too.
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In article <g3o...@4ax.com>, Peter Punk wrote: >On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:54:04 +0200, "Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen" ><new...@CeeJay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text: > >>There is no need to view all the really huge ones when you need a max 4 line >>font. >>I suggest the following groups : >> >>Small , medium , large/huge , 3D , Special (fx. decimal , hex , digital, >>morse, katana .. etc) > >But what if you add your own font? How could Jave "see" what kind of font that >is, without deviating from the standard formatting in the FLF? Add a "custom" category with all the fonts that don't belong to any of the standard groups. No big deal. May I suggest separating non-latin scripts into an "international" category instead of putting them in "special". And dingbat fonts should also be kept separate, but I think you already discussed this. -- . _, .. j u s t. h o w l.i n g i n .t h e n.i g h t .. ._, . , )'' . /\_ . ' ,/\ . , ``( , _\__/ |__.'\._______,--;_'_`-.___,.______,/_,_`.__,-.__'__,/`-._,_| \____ ,_f_)\. Ilmari Karonen ilt...@sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ /(_|_,.
My heart for comparison > .-. .-. >( ` ) > `. .� > `.� > Looks a lot like this one I made. I like mine better. ;) > > .'`'.'`'. > `. .` > `. .` > ' ldb Here is a different version (not better just different) .'"`,'"`. `. ,' `. ,' ` ldb/CJ And another different version _ _ .` `,` `. `. .` `. .` ` ldb And this .. only very slightly changed one .'`','`'. `. .` `. .` ` ldb I like mine better .. but that is a personal preference .. How wonderful it is to have choices. -CeeJay
Hello Peter, Peter Punk wrote: > >> BTW: i found a bug right away, when i try to move the tool options window, it > >> jumps around as if i am trying to kill it and disappears... > > > >What operating system and Java version do you use? I have made a > >workaround for that and wonder why it does not work for you... > > I use Win2k Pro with all servicepacks and updates. > The Java version i have is 1.3.0.02 (the latest, i followed the link on your > site the other day) Does the options window still behave strange with version 0.8beta? I have made some smaller changes, if this still does not work I have to use another workaround for that OS - no big deal. Markus
Ilmari Karonen wrote: > > In article <3AC...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Markus Gebhard wrote: > > > >You are right - but can you provide an algorithm that draws good circles > >(in any size)? > > You can already draw lines, right? First divide the circle into four > quadrants: left, right, top, bottom. Basic trigonometry should tell you > where each quadrant begins and ends, and also let you compute the height > of the arc for each character between the beginning and the end. Then > you just have to "connect the dots". > > Actually, you _could_ do Bezier curves that way too.. That works fine for raster graphics and I have tried to apply those algorithms (bresenham etc.) to ascii. The algorithms work fine as long as you take one character as one pixel (and ignore antialiasing): XXXXXXXXXXX XX XXX XXX XXXX X X XXXX X X XXX X X XXXX XXX XXX XXX XXXX XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX XX XXX But it does not work any longer if you want to use it for lines: ,---------. .' ,-' '-. _.-' / \ _.-' ( ) .-' \ / _.-' .-' '-. ,-' _.-' _..--' '---------' .' .-' The ellipse is ugly (but by far better than in previous versions of Jave) and the lines do not look straight... By lots of work and hundreds of lines of code I optimized the lines, so the lines above became: .-' _.-' .-' .-' .-' _.-' _.-' _.-' .-' _.-' For horizontal lines there are at least 4 levels of height you can use: __ .. -- ''/"" For vertical lines it is not that easy, there is only one (it is different in JFL style): | (that can be transformed to ,' as the angle increases). So using my line algorithms for drawing ellipses will only produce good results for the rather horizontal parts at the top and bottom, but it will produce trash for rather vertical parts :-( Anyway I will try your suggestion for large ellipses - it could work there but I am pretty sure it will not work with smaller ones. Anybody out there with other ideas or experiences about algorithms for ellipses?
On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:23:55 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> enlightened us with: > > Anyway I will try your suggestion for large ellipses - it could work > there but I am pretty sure it will not work with smaller ones. > > Anybody out there with other ideas or experiences about algorithms for > ellipses? None yet but: I know you said you didn't want to release the source code for Jave, but are you able to release the source code for just the circle drawing object(s), so people could try different algorithms for them but wouldn't affect the rest of the program? I'd be happy to have a go at finding a new circle algorithm (although I can't promise anything much) but it would take me a long time to write the rest of the interface to enable me to do it. Just a thought - I perfectly understand if you'd rather not. Going back to your elipse/lemon: ,---------. ,-' '-. / \ ( ) \ / '-. ,-' '---------' How do people think this should look? If we can't improve this much, odds are an algorithm wouldn't do much better. ,---"""---. ,-' '-. / \ : : \ / '-. ,-' '--.___.--' Minor improvement imho, but still far from perfect -- o |\ _[] L_ === Stuart Moore []\, stm
I just looked at one of the links you have on the Jave site: see http://www.sigsoftware.com/emaileffects/examples.html The circles they have near the bottom of the page work quite well because they have thicker lines - possibly something you clould look at? -- o |\ _[] L_ === Stuart Moore []\, stm
> For horizontal lines there are at least 4 levels of height you can use: > __ .. -- ''/"" have you thought this of it this way in the line below there is eight levels of hieght _ . - ' 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 or __ .. -- '' 1234567890123456 1 1 > For vertical lines it is not that easy, there is only one (it is > different in JFL style): | (that can be transformed to ,' as the angle > increases). So using my line algorithms for drawing ellipses will only > produce good results for the rather horizontal parts at the top and > bottom, but it will produce trash for rather vertical parts :-( depending on the placement > Anybody out there with other ideas or experiences about algorithms for > ellipses? A carpenters trick comes to mind quartered or folded out much like the paper doll string Surprise it even shows it on the web . - . . ^ . ` | ` . | . ' C---> ' ' ' ' ' `. .` ` - ` _ _ . ` ^ ` . .` | `. / | \ | C---> | \ / `. .` ` . _ _ . ` http://www2.fwi.com/~krumy/elipse/elipse.htm A bunch of lines need not be there to give a illusion or appearance that of which is desired. Tried to show 4 levels of depth not a 3D image from jave`s icon which i found interesting _____________________ / .-------------------. \ ||\ ______ / || // `. '------' .` \\ || \ .---.. / || \\ '' `-(_.-. `\-` '' // || '' .--' |' '' || // '' : ,-. |' '' \\ || '' : `-' |' '' || \\ '' .-`.__:_,`-. '' // || / ______ \ || // .' '------' `. \\ || /__________________\ || \.--------------------./jave experimented with jave both top an bottom (like it) :) and again more to the original \ ______ / `. '------' .' \ .---.. / '' (_.-. `\ '' '' .--' |' '' '' : ,-. |' '' '' : `-' |' '' '' `.__:_,` '' / ______ \ .' '------' `. / \jave --lgbeard
On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:00:00 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> provoked the following text: >> >> BTW: i found a bug right away, when i try to move the tool options window, it >> >> jumps around as if i am trying to kill it and disappears... >> > >> >What operating system and Java version do you use? I have made a >> >workaround for that and wonder why it does not work for you... >> >> I use Win2k Pro with all servicepacks and updates. >> The Java version i have is 1.3.0.02 (the latest, i followed the link on your >> site the other day) > >Does the options window still behave strange with version 0.8beta? Yes, i'm sorry. BTW: what i really miss is a button to hide/unhide the options window or perhaps to reset the options window position. Oh, i forgot to tell. When i tried it, i had closed everything that may have interfered with the positioning of the window, just to be sure. >I have made some smaller changes, if this still does not work I have to >use another workaround for that OS - no big deal. It isn't? Good, i was feeling a bit guilty about it because it caused you so much work... -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time." This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://huizen.dds.nl/~phranc/
Ilmari Karonen wrote: > Add a "custom" category with all the fonts that don't belong to any of > the standard groups. No big deal. > > May I suggest separating non-latin scripts into an "international" > category instead of putting them in "special". And dingbat fonts should > also be kept separate, but I think you already discussed this. This sounds all very good. If any volunteer takes all the fonts and divides them up to categories I am willing to integrate it into Jave. BTW: One font can belong to several categories, that's no big deal. To me it does not seem that there are a lot of new fonts released, so it should not be a problem to put all uncategorized fonts into a category "other/new" or so. Markus
Stuart Moore wrote: > I know you said you didn't want to release the source code for Jave, but are you > able to release the source code for just the circle drawing object(s), so people > could try different algorithms for them but wouldn't affect the rest of the > program? It is a lot of work to build a simple interface to Jave so other people can integrate their own algorithms. I have thought about that idea before but I will not provide such kind of 'plugin' interface in the near future. But for a circle drawing algorithm you do not need to have an interface to Jave. You can write a simple programm without graphical user interface: You get the dimension of the circle as parameter (for example 19,10) and you print out the result to the standard output, for example: _____ .-' `-. .' `. / \ ; ; | | ; ; \ / `. .' `-._____.-' That is no big deal. And if the algorithm seems to work it is no problem for me to integrate it into Jave. Anyway, I will try using the line algorithm to improve big circles... But there are more improtant things to be done before. Markus
> I just looked at one of the links you have on the Jave site: see > http://www.sigsoftware.com/emaileffects/examples.html > The circles they have near the bottom of the page work quite well because they > have thicker lines - possibly something you clould look at? It is a complete different style that does not seem to be of use for Ascii Art. Anybody who uses lines like that? I don't like them and I think Jave can exist without them :-)
LGB wrote: > > > For horizontal lines there are at least 4 levels of height you can use: > > __ .. -- ''/"" > > have you thought this of it this way in the line below there is eight levels of hieght > _ . - ' > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ??? I can still see only 4 characters? Well, for lines with low angles of gradient I dublicate those characters: ___________..........----------''''''''''' > __ .. -- '' > 1234567890123456 > 1 1 I still don't get the point? Do you want to use broken/dotted lines? > > Anybody out there with other ideas or experiences about algorithms for > > ellipses? > > A carpenters trick comes to mind quartered or folded out much like the paper doll string > Surprise it even shows it on the web > > . - . > . ^ . > ` | ` > . | . > ' C---> ' > ' ' > ' ' > `. .` > ` - ` > _ _ > . ` ^ ` . > .` | `. > / | \ > | C---> | > \ / > `. .` > ` . _ _ . ` > > http://www2.fwi.com/~krumy/elipse/elipse.htm Ok, but the problem here is not to find algorithms for elipses in general, but to find out how to use them when all you have is Ascii characters. :-( > Tried to show 4 levels of depth not a 3D image > from jave`s icon which i found interesting > > _____________________ > / .-------------------. \ > ||\ ______ / || > // `. '------' .` \\ > || \ .---.. / || > \\ '' `-(_.-. `\-` '' // > || '' .--' |' '' || > // '' : ,-. |' '' \\ > || '' : `-' |' '' || > \\ '' .-`.__:_,`-. '' // > || / ______ \ || > // .' '------' `. \\ > || /__________________\ || > \.--------------------./jave > > experimented with jave both top an bottom (like it) :) > > and again more to the original > > \ ______ / > `. '------' .' > \ .---.. / > '' (_.-. `\ '' > '' .--' |' '' > '' : ,-. |' '' > '' : `-' |' '' > '' `.__:_,` '' > / ______ \ > .' '------' `. > / \jave > > --lgbeard Wow, that's great - thanks :-) May I add it to Jave's clipart library? Markus
Peter Punk wrote: > BTW: what i really miss is a button to hide/unhide the options window or perhaps > to reset the options window position. I will add this to my list of things to be done: hide/unhide is a good idea, but the window position will not be a problem any more in future releases. > >I have made some smaller changes, if this still does not work I have to > >use another workaround for that OS - no big deal. > > It isn't? Good, i was feeling a bit guilty about it because it caused you so > much work... In fact I have two configurations for that dialog: One with an ordinary frame (ugly an big but works everywhere) and one with this small frame (nice but does not work for certain browsers - and obviously does not work for every os). Jave switches between those configurations depending on the system you have. I will first try to find another workaround and if it does not work I will switch to the ordinary frame for win2k. Stay tuned. Markus
"Markus Gebhard" <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote in message news:3AD...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... > LGB wrote: > > Ok, but the problem here is not to find algorithms for elipses in > general, but to find out how to use them when all you have is Ascii > characters. :-( If there is an algorithm for a basic ellipse could this be later on be built in a way to let the individual decide an experiment with height, width, an selection of characters from the ascii table to suit his/hers preferences ? > > Tried to show 4 levels of depth not a 3D image > > from jave`s icon which i found interesting > > > > _____________________ > > / .-------------------. \ > > ||\ ______ / || > > // `. '------' .` \\ > > || \ .---.. / || > > \\ '' `-(_.-. `\-` '' // > > || '' .--' |' '' || > > // '' : ,-. |' '' \\ > > || '' : `-' |' '' || > > \\ '' .-`.__:_,`-. '' // > > || / ______ \ || > > // .' '------' `. \\ > > || /__________________\ || > > \.--------------------./jave > > > > experimented with jave both top an bottom (like it) :) > > > > and again more to the original > > > > \ ______ / > > `. '------' .' > > \ .---.. / > > '' (_.-. `\ '' > > '' .--' |' '' > > '' : ,-. |' '' > > '' : `-' |' '' > > '' `.__:_,` '' > > / ______ \ > > .' '------' `. > > / \jave > > > > --lgbeard > > Wow, that's great - thanks :-) May I add it to Jave's clipart library? Welcome. :) yes > > Markus --lgbeard
On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:54:19 +0200, Markus Gebhard <ukg...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> provoked the following text: >> BTW: what i really miss is a button to hide/unhide the options window or perhaps >> to reset the options window position. > >I will add this to my list of things to be done: hide/unhide is a good >idea, but the window position will not be a problem any more in future >releases. Perhaps not in future releases, but in this one i still miss it :-)) >> >I have made some smaller changes, if this still does not work I have to >> >use another workaround for that OS - no big deal. >> It isn't? Good, i was feeling a bit guilty about it because it caused you so >> much work... >In fact I have two configurations for that dialog: One with an ordinary >frame (ugly an big but works everywhere) and one with this small frame >(nice but does not work for certain browsers - and obviously does not >work for every os). Jave switches between those configurations depending >on the system you have. I will first try to find another workaround and >if it does not work I will switch to the ordinary frame for win2k. >Stay tuned. I will, and you can send any testversion with an (attempted) Win2k fix to me. I promise to be honest and thorough. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. It's against the law to honk your horn "excessively". A grandmother was fined for honking her horn twice at her neighbor. (Fairview Park, Ohio city law)
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