Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 27 Apr 1998.
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MindSpring joins other ISPs in filtering HTML posts
alt.ascii-art
· 24 messages · 27 Apr 1998 - 2 May 1998
[ Article reposted from alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent ] [ Author was K. <gfo...@hfn.arg.rot13> ] [ Posted on Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:30:50 -0700 ] On 26 April 98, cho...@yahoo.com uttered words quite like these: > <...> >Since I'm new to this particular ng I'm not sure if anyone has >suggested a new usenet hierarchy, with hypertext allowed. <...> >we already have rec, alt, sci, soc, etc... >why not html? (I have no such hierarchy on my server anyway) You might want to keep an eye on discussions in the news.* groups, to watch any developments of such a suggestion. As far as I know, no formal proposal on this has yet come up. However, I've seen this kind of idea brought up a number of times. The possibility seems to make sense. Either as a main first-level binary hierarchy or possibly as an alt.* subhierarchy. That said, I read with interest the story of ATT Worldnet's recent creation of an html newsgroup within its internal hierarchy. I thought I'd read a similar story as well with IBM.net internal groups, but maybe my memory is muddled. Anyway, here are excerpts from a couple of posts on the ATT story (made to a mindpring.* group about a week ago): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : Subject: Re: New binary filter on Mindspring groups - new ISP time. : From: Jeffery J. Leader [...] : For now at the least I say drop HTML, or do what WorldNet did on its : internal worldnet.* groups...create a .non-text version of a popular : group for HTML and similar postings. : : In no time it was a ghosttown. But I say it would be fine to creat a : html.* hierarchy for HTML posters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : Subject: Re: New binary filter on Mindspring groups - new ISP time. : From: Barry Jones [...] : We had an interesting experience over at ATT over this. We had some : really insistent customers of the variety "Who the hell are you to : tell me what I can or cannot post!" So Ed K wisely created a : members.non-text group, and the HTMLers went there. I noticed two : things. First of all, the posts quickly became very large, full of : graphics, animations, etc. Second, the group died down when they : realized the action was in the text (the message) not the dressing : (the medium). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Since many ISP's are carrying binaries, >bandwidth and storage issues are weighed against what their customer's >are claiming as wanted services. > >html hierarchies (ie. html.music.coltrane) could give people their >cake and eat it too. This reminds me. I was just reading recently about the W3 consortium agreeing on a standard for the mark-up language to present mathematics on the web. They're looking at something called MathML (mathematical markup language). Right now, mathematicians have to use big clumsy screenshots saved as .gifs etc to present mathematical material such as formulas. Or struggle to represent what they can in ASCII. With MathML, a standard on the web is now in sight. Yet mathematicians will remain quite limited in communication with each other in the Usenet medium. In something like an html hierarchy, however, this barrier would be overcome. >ISP's could filter hypertext from non html groups the way binaries are >filtered from non binary groups. (cross post included) > >People who don't have unlimited access from a local POP like I do can >avoid these groups like the plague. > >This isn't the perfect solution by any means. Just an idea, others are >welcome. I think we agree. Native usenet is straight text. Anything else should be in a well-defined hierarchy. If we need more hierarchies for those ISPs who wish to carry them, yes, they should be created. And no cross-overs: I hope more ISP's follow suit and discard misplaced html onto the cutting room floor...
Colinstein, you are completely changing your set of anti-html arguments,
from
1) html is off-topic in aaa
to something completely different
2) ISPs against html posts
This change to 2) is even more remote from ascii art.
Why don't you continue the discussions along the lines of 1) ?
Did you run out of arguments?
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Colin Douthwaite wrote in message <893...@mnementh.southern.co.nz>... >[ Article reposted from alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent ] >[ Author was K. <gfo...@hfn.arg.rot13> ] >[ Posted on Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:30:50 -0700 ] This is nice.. but isn't our problem discussing HTML, not posting in HTML? :) >: We had an interesting experience over at ATT over this. We had some >: really insistent customers of the variety "Who the hell are you to >: tell me what I can or cannot post!" So Ed K wisely created a >: members.non-text group, and the HTMLers went there. I noticed two >: things. First of all, the posts quickly became very large, full of >: graphics, animations, etc. Second, the group died down when they >: realized the action was in the text (the message) not the dressing >: (the medium). >------------------------------------------------------------------------ All of MSN's local groups are HTML allowed. There's not any problem with this, because MSN's news servers only allow outlook Express to log on to them, and OE does HTML. There are many posts, and the majority are in HTML. The best part is helping others learn how to use it--one of our members even went and made a whole tutorial, on how to snag and use images, javascripts, etc., in posts. I see more great images than I would see just anywhere on the web... New tricks pop up too--on April Fool's Day, someone set up a (ActiveX Control?) something that accused the reader (personally--by MSN id) of spamming.. lol it tricked everybody. And then I used it later on the same day <G>. (Even my signature is in HTML. OE pares it down for plaintext posts. It's got an IMAGE, a STYLESHEET, a TABLE [I can hear you screaming], and links to web pages and chat rooms. It used to have a counter, but I got rid of it when it died :( and it was up so high!) But then, "members.non-text" doesn't sound like something that could survive as a newsgroup anyway. What kind of /community/ would that have? Here's a favorite quote I saw ;) in response to a plain text post: [Re: Woooo...look what *I* can do!!!] [1/9/98 10:23 AM EDT] >What kind of sick, twisted weirdo are you? Posting in plain text? You cannot post to >this newsgroup unless you have pictures, moving things, funky fonts/backgrounds, sounds >or marquees in your messages. Given all the wonder service these servers have provided, >it's only fair to waste as much bandwidth as possible. <g> [Both the usenet and the local news servers go down at least once a week, usually on weekends. hence the 'wonder service'...] >>BKNambo </HTML> -- Sun...@msn.com World Domination through Trivia! [ chatquiz | onGames | MarsMission ]
Colin Douthwaite wrote:
> [ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ]
I think you must be very confused Colin!
Your post has _nothing_ to do with the html discussions here recently.
We were discussing how to present ascii art in html documents, we were
not using html in our posts to the newsgroup. I suggest that you learn
what the difference is before making any further comments on the
subject.
(hint: I know _html_newsgroups_ where html posts get flamed... The
discussion there is _about_ html, not _in_ html...)
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Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: >Colin Douthwaite wrote: >> [ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ] >I think you must be very confused Colin! >Your post has _nothing_ to do with the html discussions here recently. >We were discussing how to present ascii art in html documents, we were >not using html in our posts to the newsgroup. I suggest that you learn >what the difference is before making any further comments on the >subject. OK, maybe I am confused, but in my view discussion of how to present Ascii Art in HTML documents belongs in *.html or html.* newsgroups, or alternatively on people's websites where full illustrations of html-ised ascii-art pictures can be displayed along with the tutorial and advice. References to the websites can always be made. Same applies to Java in my view. I really don't think alt.ascii-art is the place for tutorials on the use of HTML or JAVA or even coloured ascii-artwork. Just my opinion. This is a free and unmoderated newsgroup and people can post whatever they wish to post but they have to accept that other users may dislike something being posted and publicly object. Maybe there should be a section in the FAQ on HTML and JAVA as someone has already suggested. Discussion here in alt.ascii-art can surely only lead to newcomers thinking that actual HTML postings are welcome here...and we get enough of them posting HTML already, as well as the extended characters. Mercifully the colour-posting fiends are quiet at present. > (hint: I know _html_newsgroups_ where html posts get flamed... The > discussion there is _about_ html, not _in_ html...) Some newsgroups readers hate even the mention of HTML on Usenet. Others see it's use in newsgroups as a form of Net-Abuse and say it should be confined to the Web, and the Web is _not_ Usenet. Still others consider HTML as binary postings. Hey, I just had a late thought...perhaps the moderated newsgroup, "rec.arts.ascii" would welcome HTML stuff ? :-) :-) Bye,
Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Colinstein, you are completely changing your set of anti-html arguments, >from >1) html is off-topic in aaa >to something completely different >2) ISPs against html posts >This change to 2) is even more remote from ascii art. >Why don't you continue the discussions along the lines of 1) ? >Did you run out of arguments? That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument but as an example showing someone else's viewpoints on HTML and its use in Usenet newsgroups. The MindSpring thread is a big thread currently running in the newsgroup " alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent ". I happen recently to have started to use Free Agent in addition to the TIN newsreader so I am also reading the newsgroup, alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent right now. Do you want me to start a thread in "alt.ascii-art" about how to use the newssreader Free-Agent for Ascii Art postings ? The Free-Agent fonts are different...and care is needed with right-hand margin settings...shall I go on ? *8-) Bye,
Colin Douthwaite wrote in message <893...@mnementh.southern.co.nz>... >That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument but as an >example showing someone else's viewpoints on HTML and its use in >Usenet newsgroups. Again.. "use", not "discussion"... >>BKNambo -- Sun...@msn.com Is there anything I can't do? <G> World Domination through Trivia! [ chatquiz | onGames | MarsMission ]
>Maybe there should be a section in the FAQ on HTML and JAVA as >someone has already suggested. Good, good, the html part is done and will develop further. (What then is left over of your objections?) Further, apart from Java, there is also Javascript (which is something quite different), and colour. Those are also things that some consider "pure" ascii (not that I agree with that statement.) ,, ( "> Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! ,(=>)=> http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ ( ^^ 'stein movies, 'stein games and more
>That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument Good, good, you stated that this is _not_ an argument in this debate. This confirms the point made by BKN as well. >Do you want me to start a thread in "alt.ascii-art" about how to use >the newssreader Free-Agent for Ascii Art postings ? The Free-Agent >fonts are different...and care is needed with right-hand margin >settings...shall I go on ? *8-) Why not? As others are already doing that in parallel threads, anything that has to do with accessing ascii art is useful for readers of this newsgroup. ascii is no longer ascii in the rapidly developing Internet, Outlook Express (in the other thread) and Free-Agent (in this thread) are examples, more examples are sure to follow ... ,, ( "> Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! ,(=>)=> http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ ( ^^ 'stein movies, 'stein games and more
On 29 Apr 1998 10:29:31 GMT, Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> wrote: > >Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: > >>Colin Douthwaite wrote: > >>> [ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ] > > > >>I think you must be very confused Colin! > > > >>Your post has _nothing_ to do with the html discussions here recently. > >>We were discussing how to present ascii art in html documents, we were > >>not using html in our posts to the newsgroup. I suggest that you learn > >>what the difference is before making any further comments on the > >>subject. > > > >OK, maybe I am confused, but in my view discussion of how to present > >Ascii Art in HTML documents belongs in *.html or html.* > >newsgroups, or alternatively on people's websites where full > >illustrations of html-ised ascii-art pictures can be displayed along > >with the tutorial and advice. References to the websites can always be made. IMHO, this is a judgement call that can only be made by the individual posting the message, on a case by case basis. As has been mentioned before, something of this subject matter could be cross posted to a *.html or html.* group, but I strongly feel it has the most relevance right here in alt.ascii-art. As is evident, there are alot of us here who have websites and want to discuss the most appropriate way(s) to display the artwork on their pages amongst other ASCII artists and and aficionados. > >Same applies to Java in my view. I really don't think alt.ascii-art > >is the place for tutorials on the use of HTML or JAVA or even > >coloured ascii-artwork. Just my opinion. I'd disagree with you on the JAVA, and have mixed feelings about the colored ASCII. That's my opinion, and it appears to be the majority at the moment. > >This is a free and unmoderated newsgroup and people can post > >whatever they wish to post but they have to accept that other users > >may dislike something being posted and publicly object. Yes you've made us quite aware of this by publicly objecting too many times to count. Can you just come to terms with the fact that we want to talk about applying ASCII art on a webpage without being harassed? Another newsgroup is not necessary. I really think this thread is a phase. One of learning and experimentation -- which we as a group are benefitting from by sharing the best ways to display the ASCII art form in a fashion it was intended to be seen. > >Maybe there should be a section in the FAQ on HTML and JAVA as > >someone has already suggested. I've already added it to my FAQ which I will be uploading shortly to http://artpacks.acid.org/faqs/faq-altasciiart.html > >Discussion here in alt.ascii-art can surely only lead to newcomers > >thinking that actual HTML postings are welcome here...and we get > >enough of them posting HTML already, as well as the extended characters. > >Mercifully the colour-posting fiends are quiet at present. The FAQ for this newsgroup is posted almost daily, but there will always be someone not paying attention. :) -r- -- enq...@npvq.bet RaD Man % ACiD Productions Founder % Artpacks Archive Founder Words to live by: " It's better to be controversial for the right reasons, than to be popular for the wrong reasons. "
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Pete Casso wrote: > Colinstein, you are completely changing your set of anti-html arguments, > from > > 1) html is off-topic in aaa > > to something completely different > > 2) ISPs against html posts > > This change to 2) is even more remote from ascii art. > > Why don't you continue the discussions along the lines of 1) ? > Did you run out of arguments? > > ,, > ( "> Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! > ,(=>)=> http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ > ( ^^ 'stein movies, 'stein games and more! [the twins] where are the draaaaaawings... \ dunno, just can't see any... ____ ____ / <---- = =\\\ o o\\\ /< c /< c ___ _______/__D_/'_ /__,_/\___ /(- /(\_\________ \ '\_/ \ \ ) \ )_ \o \ | o \ /|\ /|\ |' | | |' | | | _\ | | | \ //\____| | //\_| | /-,---/ |/-,--|__| / / _) / / /( / / / / / \ )_ ( ( < ( ( < \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ | \ \ | \_\____\ \_\____\ ___\_\_\ ___\_\_\ ((((,,,,o) ((((,,,,o) . .. b'ger
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >Colinstein, you are completely changing your set of anti-html arguments, > >from > > >1) html is off-topic in aaa > > >to something completely different > > >2) ISPs against html posts > > >This change to 2) is even more remote from ascii art. > > >Why don't you continue the discussions along the lines of 1) ? > >Did you run out of arguments? > > That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument but as an > example showing someone else's viewpoints on HTML and its use in > Usenet newsgroups. The MindSpring thread is a big thread currently > running in the newsgroup " alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent ". > > I happen recently to have started to use Free Agent in addition to > the TIN newsreader so I am also reading the newsgroup, > alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent right now. > > Do you want me to start a thread in "alt.ascii-art" about how to use > the newssreader Free-Agent for Ascii Art postings ? The Free-Agent > fonts are different...and care is needed with right-hand margin > settings...shall I go on ? *8-) > > Bye, [the twins] where are the draaaaaawings... \ dunno, just can't see any... ____ ____ / <---- = =\\\ o o\\\ /< c /< c ___ _______/__D_/'_ /__,_/\___ /(- /(\_\________ \ '\_/ \ \ ) \ )_ \o \ | o \ /|\ /|\ |' | | |' | | | _\ | | | \ //\____| | //\_| | /-,---/ |/-,--|__| / / _) / / /( / / / / / \ )_ ( ( < ( ( < \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ | \ \ | \_\____\ \_\____\ ___\_\_\ ___\_\_\ ((((,,,,o) ((((,,,,o) . .. b'ger
Brock Kevin Nambo wrote: > Colin Douthwaite wrote in message > <893...@mnementh.southern.co.nz>... > >That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument but as an > >example showing someone else's viewpoints on HTML and its use in > >Usenet newsgroups. > > Again.. "use", not "discussion"... > > >>BKNambo > -- > Sun...@msn.com > Is there anything I can't do? <G> > World Domination through Trivia! [ chatquiz | onGames | > MarsMission ] [the twins] where are the draaaaaawings... \ dunno, just can't see any... ____ ____ / <---- = =\\\ o o\\\ /< c /< c ___ _______/__D_/'_ /__,_/\___ /(- /(\_\________ \ '\_/ \ \ ) \ )_ \o \ | o \ /|\ /|\ |' | | |' | | | _\ | | | \ //\____| | //\_| | /-,---/ |/-,--|__| / / _) / / /( / / / / / \ )_ ( ( < ( ( < \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ | \ \ | \_\____\ \_\____\ ___\_\_\ ___\_\_\ ((((,,,,o) ((((,,,,o) . .. b'ger
Pete Casso wrote: > >That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument > > Good, good, you stated that this is _not_ an argument in this debate. > This confirms the point made by BKN as well. > > >Do you want me to start a thread in "alt.ascii-art" about how to use > >the newssreader Free-Agent for Ascii Art postings ? The Free-Agent > >fonts are different...and care is needed with right-hand margin > >settings...shall I go on ? *8-) > > Why not? As others are already doing that in parallel threads, anything > that has to do with accessing ascii art is useful for readers of this > newsgroup. ascii is no longer ascii in the rapidly developing Internet, > Outlook Express (in the other thread) and Free-Agent (in this thread) > are examples, more examples are sure to follow ... > > ,, > ( "> Visit the Gallery of the 'steins! > ,(=>)=> http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ > ( ^^ 'stein movies, 'stein games and more [the twins] where are the draaaaaawings... \ dunno, just can't see any... ____ ____ / <---- = =\\\ o o\\\ /< c /< c ___ _______/__D_/'_ /__,_/\___ /(- /(\_\________ \ '\_/ \ \ ) \ )_ \o \ | o \ /|\ /|\ |' | | |' | | | _\ | | | \ //\____| | //\_| | /-,---/ |/-,--|__| / / _) / / /( / / / / / \ )_ ( ( < ( ( < \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ | \ \ | \_\____\ \_\____\ ___\_\_\ ___\_\_\ ((((,,,,o) ((((,,,,o) . .. b'ger
joris bellenger wrote: > > [the twins] > > where are the draaaaaawings... > \ dunno, just can't see any... > ____ ____ / > <---- = =\\\ o o\\\ > /< c /< c > ___ _______/__D_/'_ /__,_/\___ > /(- /(\_\________ \ '\_/ \ > \ ) \ )_ \o \ | o \ > /|\ /|\ |' | | |' | | > | _\ | | | \ > //\____| | //\_| | > /-,---/ |/-,--|__| > / / _) / / /( > / / / / / \ )_ > ( ( < ( ( < \\ > \ \ \ \ \ \ > \ \ | \ \ | > \_\____\ \_\____\ > ___\_\_\ ___\_\_\ > ((((,,,,o) ((((,,,,o) . .. b'ger HEY! This isn't fair! Everybody else, except me, gets a flame! I want one too! *sulk* -- _ _ __ ___.--'_`. __ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/ /-' '/ ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ ' LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/
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Previously cfb...@southern.co.nz wrote: >Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: >>Colin Douthwaite wrote: >>> [ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ] [ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ] >Hey, I just had a late thought...perhaps the moderated newsgroup, >"rec.arts.ascii" would welcome HTML stuff ? :-) :-) No, thankyouverymuchanyway... :) don -- ber...@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== Dynamite Disney Document of the Day (available at the above FTP site): ** pooh.background A interesting article on the origins of Pooh
Colin Douthwaite wrote: [ 8< ] > That forwarded posting was not intended as an argument but as an > example showing someone else's viewpoints on HTML and its use in > Usenet newsgroups. The MindSpring thread is a big thread currently > running in the newsgroup " alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent ". But we were not USING it in usenet newsgroups... we were DISCUSSING how to use it to present ascii art on homepages... Please learn the difference between talking about something and doing something. A couple of extreme examples to get you on the right track, there is a difference between talking about sex and actually having sex, there is a difference between talking about murder and actually murdering somebody. In the same way there is a difference between talking (in a newsgroup) about how to present ascii art in html documents and using html in usenet posts. I haven't heard anybody here saying that we should make html posts to this (or any other) newsgroup. On that point I have only heard people say exactly what you are saying in that post. You are getting two entirely different things mixed up: how to post to newsgroups and what to discuss in newsgroups. > I happen recently to have started to use Free Agent in addition to > the TIN newsreader so I am also reading the newsgroup, > alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent right now. > > Do you want me to start a thread in "alt.ascii-art" about how to use > the newssreader Free-Agent for Ascii Art postings ? The Free-Agent > fonts are different...and care is needed with right-hand margin > settings...shall I go on ? *8-) > Why not? I've seen several such discussions about Netscape News, AOL's news program, Outlook Express [?] and other news programs and have not heard many complaints about that. I have also seen such discussions about various text editors, without any complaints from those who don't happen to use those particluar programs. -- _ _ __ ___.--'_`. __ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/ /-' '/ ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ ' LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/
Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >I think you must be very confused Colin! > >Your post has _nothing_ to do with the html discussions here recently. [ 8< ] > OK, maybe I am confused, but in my view discussion of how to present > Ascii Art in HTML documents belongs in *.html or html.* > newsgroups, It is being discussed there too. > or alternatively on people's websites where full > illustrations of html-ised ascii-art pictures can be displayed along > with the tutorial and advice. References to the websites can always be made. And WHY doesn't it belong in this newsgroup? As far as I can see the topic "how to present ascii art in html" concerns both html and ascii art. > Same applies to Java in my view. I really don't think alt.ascii-art > is the place for tutorials on the use of HTML or JAVA or even > coloured ascii-artwork. Just my opinion. What do you mean? I don't think I have seen *any* discussions about Java in this newsgroup - ever. > Discussion here in alt.ascii-art can surely only lead to newcomers > thinking that actual HTML postings are welcome here... Why whould they think that? Or do you belong to the group of people who think that talking about sex in schools will lead to more teenages having sex? [ 8< ] > > (hint: I know _html_newsgroups_ where html posts get flamed... The > > discussion there is _about_ html, not _in_ html...) > > Some newsgroups readers hate even the mention of HTML on Usenet. It would be pretty weird if the people in alt.html and comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html did not mention html... Those are two text-only newsgoups (just like alt.animals.felines and rec.pets.cats.anecdotes are text-only newsgroups) where people DISCUSS how to write html. If you make a post to either of these groups USING html you will most likely be flamed for it. > Others see it's use in newsgroups as a form of Net-Abuse and say it > should be confined to the Web, and the Web is _not_ Usenet. Still > others consider HTML as binary postings. Yes, I definitely agree with you on these points. I still don't see how they relate to discussing how to present ascii art in html. > Hey, I just had a late thought...perhaps the moderated newsgroup, > "rec.arts.ascii" would welcome HTML stuff ? :-) :-) > Well, why don't you try and see if our friend the moderator is awake and will accept that as on-topic. :) -- _ _ __ ___.--'_`. __ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) _\.'_' _.-' \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | `-._ `_`./_ ( \`. ) //\` \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| '/\\ ( .'/ ) \_`-'`---'\\__, ,__//`---'`-'_/ \` `-\ uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/ /-' '/ ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ ' LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/
Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > Colin Douthwaite wrote: > > Hey, I just had a late thought...perhaps the moderated newsgroup, > > "rec.arts.ascii" would welcome HTML stuff ? :-) :-) > > > > Well, why don't you try and see if our friend the moderator is awake and > will accept that as on-topic. :) > > -- Or anything else for that matter. -- ___________ THE ___________ / _________ \ <\PRINCE /> / _________ \ / / __ \/ \\ // \/ __ \ \ / / / \ \\ // / \ \ \ / / / /\/ /""""""\ \/\ \ \ \ \ \ / / SEE HIS ( / \ \ SEE HIS \ \ / / \ \ \ \ FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE / / / / \ \ \ \ / W \ / / / / / / \ \ /\_|||||_/\ / / \ \ / / / \ // ||| \\ / \ \ \ / / / /\ \ // ' \\ / /\ \ \ \ / / / / / / </ TIME TO DIE \> \ \ \ \ \ \ / / / \/ \_______________________/ \/ \ \ \ \ \ / /\_________________________________/\ \ / / \ \/ / kro...@inspace.net \ \/ / \__/ Remove no.to.spam to reply \__/ http://www.inspace.net/~carcher/krogg/aani.htm Gory javascript animations for your enjoyment
Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: >joris bellenger wrote: >> >> [the twins] >> >> where are the draaaaaawings... >> \ dunno, just can't see any... >> ____ ____ / >> <---- = =\\\ o o\\\ >> /< c /< c >> ___ _______/__D_/'_ /__,_/\___ >> /(- /(\_\________ \ '\_/ \ >> \ ) \ )_ \o \ | o \ >> /|\ /|\ |' | | |' | | >> | _\ | | | \ >> //\____| | //\_| | >> /-,---/ |/-,--|__| >> / / _) / / /( >> / / / / / \ )_ >> ( ( < ( ( < \\ >> \ \ \ \ \ \ >> \ \ | \ \ | >> \_\____\ \_\____\ >> ___\_\_\ ___\_\_\ >> ((((,,,,o) ((((,,,,o) . .. b'ger >HEY! This isn't fair! Everybody else, except me, gets a flame! I want >one too! >*sulk* Well there's always someone here willing to please. *8-) ) ( ( ( ( ) () @@ ) (( ( ( ( )( @@ ( )) ) ( //////// ( ( ( ()( /---\ (()( ( |:: \ | ) ) )(@ !O O! )@@ ( ) ) ) |( = \ @@@@@@@@@@@@@)( ()@ \ o / (@@@@@ ( ()( ) | ^ /_| @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ((@@(@@ !o! @@@@(@@@@@)() ( \ (_@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@)@@)@ /---\-/---\ )@@@@@()( ) | /_ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@)@@@( // /-----\ \\ @@@)@@@@@( . / ~~~ \ @@@@@@@@@@@@@(@@@ // @ /---\ @ \\ @(@@@(@@@ . . | ( \ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ O @@@ /-\ @@@ O @@(@@)@@ @ . | \ | @@@@@@@@@@ !! @@@@ % @@@@ !! @@)@@@ .. . \ \ | . @@@@@@ !! @@ /---\ @@ !! @@(@@@ @ . . \ \------. ) . @@ /MM /\O O/\ MM\ @@@@@@@. . |\_______|_)) ( . @ !!! !! \-/ !! !!! @@@@@ . ---------- ) . . @@@@ !! !! .(. @. .. . | |-\ \ ( / .( . \)). ( !! )( !! @@@@ . ) . | | \ \ ) ( )). (( .) !O ((( O! @@ (. ((. . . | | \ \ )) .( ( ( ) ). ( !! )( !! ) (( )) .. | | / / ) ( ) ).) (( !! ( !!\( )) ((. ). | | / / )) .( ( ( ) ). ( !! )( !! ) (( )) .. | |_< / ) ) (( ) )).) ((/ | ( | \( )) ((. ). ___<_____\\__\__ _____ __((_(____))__(_(___.oooO_____Oooo.(_(_)_)((_ -cfbd/after others- Bye,
Veronica Karlsson wrote: > HEY! This isn't fair! Everybody else, except me, gets a flame! I want > one too! > > *sulk* Well, I haven't been flamed yet either, but I don't really need them, so you can have mine, Veronica. Here ya go :) *) \) /) (\ ) (/ ` \\ | /( `\) /____ . \ / \\ /\ )`-_ ( )\" " " `.) `( BP > > -- > _ _ > __ ___.--'_`. __ __ _ .'_`--.___ __ > ( _`.'. - 'o` ) \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ ( 'o` - .`.'_ ) > _\.'_' _.-' \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | `-._ `_`./_ > ( \`. ) //\` \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| '/\\ ( .'/ ) > \_`-'`---'\\__, ,__//`---'`-'_/ > \` `-\ uggc://jjj.yhqq.yhgu.fr/hfref/ix/ /-' '/ > ` _____________________ r93...@fz.yhgu.fr ____________________ ' > LIKE MY SIG? GO HERE: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet/ -- _- BluePard ;' )\_ ___ "A foot falls, yet makes no sound...." | ```` \ .-. http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/palms/2115 (\| / ( _)\ //`-` _-'_.' "---' `---' Both dream and dreamer
Don Bertino <ber...@netcom.com> wrote: >Previously cfb...@southern.co.nz wrote: >>Veronica Karlsson <dre...@on.spammer> wrote: >>>Colin Douthwaite wrote: >>>> [ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ] >[ 8< big snip of totally unrelated stuff 8< ] >>Hey, I just had a late thought...perhaps the moderated newsgroup, >>"rec.arts.ascii" would welcome HTML stuff ? :-) :-) >No, thankyouverymuchanyway... :) >don Oh dear, how sad. :-( .'\ _ _ /`. | | | | | | |_ _ _ _ _| | | \= = = = = = = = = = =/ : : ..._: .-. .-. :_... .' '-.(o ) (o ).-' `. : _ _ _`~(_)~`_ _ _ : "Ah well, one always lives in hope." : /: ' .-=_ _=-. ` ;\ : : :|-.._ ' ` _..-|: : : `:| |`:-:-.-:-:'| |:' : `. `.| | | | | | |.' .' `. `-:_| | |_:-' .' after/jgs`-._ ```` _.-' ``-------'' Bye,
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