What's the smallest screen you design for?

[ xposted to alt.ascii-art because of the WebTV-screen-width question ]
[ xposted from comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, so observe proper
  decorum (heh!)  ;^]

In article <326...@interlog.com>,
Lorne Tontegode  <ide...@interlog.com> wrote:
>I have seen discussion in the past regarding not designing for a
>specific resolution but rather design for all resolutions.
>But, how low do you go? Do most designers go all the way down to an old
>Mac screen of say 300 or so pixels wide or do you not go lower than 640
>pixels?

I'm baffled why no one in this thread has brought up WebTV, and the
other browsers that use NTSC video for the display (640*480, more or
less, I think).

Apparently the first versions have hit the stores, and use anti-aliased
text, so are quite readable.  But the screen shot I examined in an ad
looked like about 13 rows of 65-char-wide *proportional* text-- so <PRE>
text probably ought to be wrapped at 50 chars or so, I'm guessing.

I don't understand, either, why none of the previews of WebTV offer an
exact number for readable-monospaced-screen-width...?

I use PRE a lot, including clickable ascii imagemaps, so will probably
redesign my screens to work semi-decently for WebTV apps.  But what's
the dang number, already???

In general, the only reasonable philosophy seems to me twofold:

1- design your site in minimal HTML that will work fine in Lynx or other
   non-graphic browsers

2- finetune it with bells-n-whistles that will maximize its appeal for
   your intended audience.  last year, this just meant Netscapize it,
   but in the future it may even require multiple versions with b's-n-w's
   finetuned for: Netscape, Explorer, WebTV, ...and AT&T's inevitable
   touchtone browser!  ;^/


I've been distracted from this group for some time, but traffic to my
hypertext-theory pages has been growing anyway:
<URL:http://www.mcs.net/~jorn/html/hyper.html>.  If you haven't visited
these, please give them a look.  There's a timeline of hypertext
history that gives a very broad perspective, a checklist of common
design errors that's completely different from the usual ciwah lists,
detailed rants about various sites' designs, and some abstract
explorations of cognitive science and hypertext design.



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Hi all, The smallest screen I designed art for was for an email receiving
pager screen. (*smirk*) One line art is tough!

>>----->  arrow

<'___)~   mouse

(^_^)     smile

{^:=      smirking smiley

O//////])==============================    light sabre

*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*  ascii waves

%%%%@%%%%=  watch or bracelet

o>-=~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^|||              bungee bridge jumper

(|) (\)     2 asprin or whatever?

+-o===o-+-o===o-+-o===o-+-o===o-+-o===o-+  train flat cars

/\__o       person lying down after many situps

||||||[::]|||||||||||||     belt

*   Starfish

=\\\\\\\(============================-    foil

(((((((((SurroundSound)))))))))

__/\o_      swimming   __/\o_ o   water polo

|==|iiii|>-----  needle

~^~^*(~^~^~^*(~^~^~^~*(^~^~^~^*(~^~  barbwire

<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>-   necklace or bracelet

][e[[*      Hello

c[]         cup of tea

|\/| /-\ | |__      Mail

|\/| () \/\/        Mow


Some of the above I did and some I got from alt.assci-art
Take care, Jon Melusky
PS All my art is public domain. Those two wonderful words take the chill
out of the relationship. Those words "public domain" mean more to me than
you will ever know.

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:18:09 -0700, J. Melusky wrote in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,alt.ascii-art:
++ 
++ <'___)~   mouse

--((8:>*  moussie!

++ c[]         cup of tea

c[~]  C5 cup of chocao. I've a T-shirt with c[~] in big letters.



Abigail
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    Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on
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	    [Tim Berners-Lee in Technology Review, July 1996]

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In article <Dzt...@news2.new-york.net>, Abigail <abi...@ny.fnx.com> wrote:
>
>  --((8:>*  moussie!

   }<(([@>   fish!

   _@/       snail!


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(A Few Trimmed.)
On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, J. Melusky wrote:
> >>----->  arrow     <'___)~  mouse    (^_^)   smile

> O//////])==============================    light sabre

> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*  ascii waves

> ||||||[::]|||||||||||||     belt
> 
> =\\\\\\\(============================-    foil
> 
> __/\o_      swimming   __/\o_ o   water polo
> 
> |==|iiii|>-----  needle  c[]  cup of tea

Thought I'd try a few:

|==[)XXXX>---   different needle (a few mods for my own vanity)

<(O)>     an eye (looked better in a different font)

/\_i\o    guy dead from a sword wound (mmm, needs work)

Wow, these things are TOUGH, add yours, lets start a collection...
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Brian R. West decided to enlighten us thus:
< On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, J. Melusky wrote:
< > >>----->  arrow     <'___)~  mouse    (^_^)   smile
< > O//////])==============================    light sabre
< > *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*  ascii waves
< > ||||||[::]|||||||||||||     belt
< > =\\\\\\\(============================-    foil
< > __/\o_      swimming   __/\o_ o   water polo
< > |==|iiii|>-----  needle  c[]  cup of tea
< |==[)XXXX>---   different needle (a few mods for my own vanity)
< <(O)>     an eye (looked better in a different font)
< /\_i\o    guy dead from a sword wound (mmm, needs work)

i have a _very_ limited space in my sig, and would like to fill it
with a one line ascii-art. (it's the bit with the numbers) there are
ten spaces free. i'd appreciate any help ...

justin
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How about this one  @(_)~~~       hot coffee
On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:01:10 -0500, "Brian R. West"
<bwe...@eagle1.eaglenet.com> wrote:

>(A Few Trimmed.)
>On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, J. Melusky wrote:
>> >>----->  arrow     <'___)~  mouse    (^_^)   smile
>
>> O//////])==============================    light sabre
>
>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*  ascii waves
>
>> ||||||[::]|||||||||||||     belt
>> 
>> =\\\\\\\(============================-    foil
>> 
>> __/\o_      swimming   __/\o_ o   water polo
>> 
>> |==|iiii|>-----  needle  c[]  cup of tea
>
>Thought I'd try a few:
>
>|==[)XXXX>---   different needle (a few mods for my own vanity)
>
><(O)>     an eye (looked better in a different font)
>
>/\_i\o    guy dead from a sword wound (mmm, needs work)
>
>Wow, these things are TOUGH, add yours, lets start a collection...
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Hi there!  Since I saw the thread about one-line ASCII art, may I take the
opportunity to point you all to my compiled list of smileys (aka emoticons)
and other one-line symbols.  I have just added in the ones I saw in this
thread and now have a grand total of 1596 different ones in there.  Only
four more and I reach 1600!  You can find my list at the following URL:
  http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/smileys.html
Please drop by and take a look and if you have a few more to add to the list,
let me know so that I can add them in and hit that 1600 mark.  8)  Thanks
for checking out my list and I hope you enjoy it.
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Tight Rope

Here's a one line ascii that I did not make up.  It was in a forward.

8x

It's a scissors.  



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On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Valerie S Yoza wrote:

> Here's a one line ascii that I did not make up.  It was in a forward.
> 
> 8x
> 
> It's a scissors.  

  I think these ones look more realistic :

  8<   and    >8

How about a swallow hunting a fly?

    .   -o(=<

Greetings,       _
                <")
     Albert     (c)3

,,,^..^,,,

In ar<328...@texoma.com>, Adam DeWolf <ald...@texoma.com> writes
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Tight Rope

snails   @/  @/  \@  "@

ants     .  . .

sex      8//=/\-.


                                                            
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> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Tight Rope
> 
> snails   @/  @/  \@  "@
> 
> ants     .  . .
> 
> sex      8//=/\-.

(#)---== batminton racket

,---'---'---'---=@== fishing rod

j hook

W tooth

,=;=;=;=;=;=;=O~ centipede

=8>-()< chicken

(:O:) handiplus

   __  Tissue
   )(  yct...@pl.jaring.my
  ~++~ p96...@sp.ac.sg
   ()  
   ''  "if only i had a genie..."

<snip>
 
> ,---'---'---'---=@== fishing rod 
> j hook
> W tooth
> ,=;=;=;=;=;=;=O~ centipede 
> =8>-()< chicken

<snip>

Great fishing rod! :) But i'm having problems seeing the chicken,
though.

Here's another centipede:

'Oqqqqqqqqqqqqo-

[{-_-}] ZZZzz zz z...  A sleeping baby (pillow included).


Take care.

On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:13:16 -0500, marcelo <mar...@interport.net>
wrote:
>
>[{-_-}] ZZZzz zz z...  A sleeping baby (pillow included).
>
>
>Take care.

SUPERB !


oli.
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:<3o~
a mouse

Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine (dav...@xemu.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In ar<328...@texoma.com>, Adam DeWolf <ald...@texoma.com> writes
: >------------------------------------------------------------------------
: >
: >Tight Rope

: snails   @/  @/  \@  "@

: ants     .  . .

: sex      8//=/\-.


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jEnNiFeR TsAnG wrote:
> 
> :<3o~
> a mouse

Nice one! I've also seen somewhere:

<:~_)-

And here's a piggie (in the mud):

^..^__)~

Take care.

<"B))>-
a bee...well sorta...

my fish...
<"}}><         <'))<       

a swordfish...
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(.)(.)      Homer Simpson's eyes or breasts

Crappy Heh?

Enzo

Enzo Careri wrote:
> 
> (.)(.)      Homer Simpson's eyes or breasts
> 
> Crappy Heh?
> 
> Enzo


Homer Simpson's breasts? Great... =(
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_/\*/\_   female...


_/\?/\_   who knows....


_/\@/\_   another female...

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Tarbash <spi...@my.cobra.com> writes
>_/\!/\_   hard on
>
>
>_/\*/\_   female...
>
>
>_/\?/\_   who knows....
>
>
>_/\@/\_   another female...

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